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Ajuran:
Somalis as an ethnic identity did not exist during the time of Axum, neither did any other ethnicity in the horn of Africa. As for Somalis controlling that much land, that is simply because of the last 500 years when Somalis defeated Ethiopia.

1,400 years ago when the Prophets companions were seeking refuge, they were given asylum in the city of Zeila, at the time part of Abyssinia, that land is now in Somalia. This shows their was no Somali identity that long ago, and is corroborated by visitors of the area who labeled the people Berber.

Not sure if the etnic grouping somali existed. It may have
[quote][/quote]here is a map of perpilus of the erythrean sea look to see how the word soo maal existed in 560 CE

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Horn0560ad.png

Samaulie was mentioned in herodotus book ironically. But dont know if that name was popular or not. We were called berbers and puntites though.

Not really we own that much land before ahmed gurey went on conquest

No zeila wasnt apart of abyssinia.

It was part of somalia or at the time called barbaria

As you can see ogaden was still part of somalia back Then when somalia was called barbaria

gallivant:
Stop the bullshit.Its well documented that Nubians are not from the cushitic language group neither are Ethiopians, their language is hamitic. Again, the Nubian and Ethiopian empires were during different times in history. Abbysinian and Nubia did not fight or control each other.I understand your need to fabricate Somali historical facts but dont drag other cultures in your futile attempts.

First of all nubians are mixed cushitic and nilotic people. The ancient egyptian language was afroasiatic. Abyssinia didn't exist at the time kush was there. Axumit existed.

Axumite existed during the same period of kush and conquered kush and took it. The captital of kush is in ethiopia.

Nubians themselves didn't come in to the picture until the 4th century

The name Nubia is derived from that of the Noba people, nomads who settled the area in the 4th century, with the collapse of the kingdom of Meroë. The Noba spoke a Nilo-Saharan language, ancestral to Old Nubian

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nubia

So the people that ruled their were most likely cushitic people over kush.

Dont Even bother Saying kush spoke nilo saharan languages, since meroitic language is pretty much an extinct unclassified language.

Again this common knowledge not revionism

mfuasi:
There were not many scholars 2000 years ago, doesn't mean Eritreans and Ethiopians didn't exist.Also, how can you claim relations when their are stark differences in Somali and Ethiopian cultures?

First of all there isnt anything called ethiopia it is a fake colonial creation. The name ethiopia itself is fake. Ethiopia today is a nationality not a ethnicity and Eritrea is the same.

This a map of different ethnic groups who inhabit ethiopia

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/Ethiopia_regions_english.png

https://www.opride.com/oromsis/images/stories/Ethiopia_Regional_map_of-FDRE.gif

See! It is ironic since somali own and inhabit the most land by ethnic group in ethiopia and have since forever.

So what ajuuran Say is not wrong. Somalis were part of axum empire.

barwaaqo:
Punt was a trading source old egypt traces it origins to the rwenzori mountains in uganda

I will ignore this stupidity u displayd

EnlightenedSoul:
Naga da'. Now the Egyptians lol?! It's as if all of Africa desperately tries to claim Egypt. Please, just stop.

It's not like you had to open a new accounts to write all this??

Bro u Say that but somalis are stupid. I am not the one who chops females vagina and call it firconi(pharoah) i am not the on who call the somali new year the feast of the pharoah it is the somali. You somalis act like ancient egyptians and then say you are not ancient Egyptians. You guys must be messed up in the head. You guys claim Egypt not me.

EnlightenedSoul:
This account!

No. Somalis are not Moors/Berbers. Please, stop.

And yes, you're claiming. It's the same reason this thread was started. People really need to stop claiming shyt. It's really and truly pathetic.

Claiming? what I showed you maps written documents and eveything. You are stuuppiid! Now you are regurgitating the same Shitt.

EnlightenedSoul:
I strongly disagree.

Being a part of the same haplogroup E - which is probably what you're referring to - doesn't really mean anything in the grand scheme of things.

And I'm not a bro.

here they named the "Land of Punt," sacred to later Egyptians as the source of the race. The Pun people founded the island fortress of Ha-fun, which commands the whole of that coast, and hence came the Punic.

Hafun is a city in somalia. Somalis and berbers were calls punic coincidence? Look it up if you must.

The ancient egyptians said They came from somalia land of the punt as well.
Both Somalia and North Africa is desert climate and the rest of Africa being jungle and forest. Thus why we look so different from others but our own race were bigger in number and spread out throughout somalia and north africa.

Hot desert climate gives you elongated skinny limbs loose hair and a lack of moisture in th air gives you narrow nose. People Are object of their environment. Like I said it is not our fault foreigner came and diluted the gene prool
It isn't claming when you state historical fact written by the very same people themselves

Look at the video i posted and look at the culture and the appearance look at the language.

EnlightenedSoul:
Why are you claiming Berbers, Moors etc etc? Is that why you opened this one? Smh.

It's not the same.

Open what dumbass? I only said what was fact multiple sources stated somalis as moors and berbers were somali.

I dont understand! Relating actual history is claiming? This what the people we speak of from the past wrote not me.

People have no independent of thoughts always look at history from todays perspective and seeing people of today representative of the people of the past.

EnlightenedSoul:
Sorry. You're 'argument' is ages different from mine, Axum.

Bro the the darkskinned Berbers were somali.
The proof is in history DNA and culture language. It is not our fault foreigner came and diluted the gene pool the same in Egypt. I don't understand why people ignore change and migration happening in many places except for the us and Australia.

Arabia was darkskinned and Cushitic so was all other desert inhabited areas including Egypt. Somalia is also desert. People are object of their environment

EnlightenedSoul:
Yes, I'm talking about North Africa.

Look, perhaps the French started calling them "Berbers" in 19th century, but other civilizations such as the Greeks and Arabs indeed refer to them as "Berbers" long before that, in antiquity. They were already in the habit of doing so.


I wish I could show you so some (primary) older texts, but they would be in Arabic anyway.

I showed him ibn battuta in medieval time calling both somalis and himself berber.

The word had different variation and Barbar was most used in the past before Berber

Puntite:
Ironic cuz a Berber North African posted that dumb shit. That DNA proves nothing becuz it came about through asmixture from either European or Turkish we were also called as well as the Berbers Punic or puntite .

here they named the "Land of Punt," sacred to later Egyptians as the source of the race. The Pun people founded the island fortress of Ha-fun, which commands the whole of that coast, and hence came the Punic.

Ha-fun is city in somalia. Go search both somalis and Berbers were
Called Barbar and Punic. No wishfull thinking is going to change that. The Berber language is a mix of European somali and little Arabic.

They were originally somali even the darkskinned Berbers themselves tureg don't refute that

KidStranglehold:
So a pseudo-science YouTube video is your source? Which argument is basically eyeballing and using genetics out of context?

Like I said Somalis do not carry Berber marker E-M81. Again STOP CLAIMING and take your hamitic unity trash somewhere else...

Ironic cuz a Berber North African posted that dumb video shit. That DNA proves nothing becuz it came about through asmixture from either European or Turkish.

The word Berber is new BARBAR is not see the difference

From
My own

The term "Berber," as it relates to Africans, was first used by medieval Arabic-speaking Muslim writers (from the Arabic word, "al-barbar"wink in a similar manner to the original meaning of barbar--to refer to

See Barbar was used to refer to both North Africa and somalia

The word itself later became Berber dumbfuck!

Barbar!!

EnlightenedSoul:
The modern usage of the word Berber is recent?

How can anyone argue with such a sentence?

Well, if you meant the Europeans specifically (as I now see), you should've said so. My point was, the "Berbers" were referred to as "Berbers" (in all it's variations) in antiquity as well. They didn't suddenly *poof* become "Berbers" in the 19th century.

Look at this video a Moroccan Berber posted not a somali

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqypwKg9RsQ


Both somalis and Moroccan were called Barbar not Berber

Berber is new Barbar is not!

We both were also called puntites or Punic.

You are so desperate! I swear! Ask any dark skinned Berber if he is related to somalis he says most certainly.

KidStranglehold:
No I know exactly what I said. I'm saying people from Northwest Africa being called Berber is a recent phenomenon. And so by that they have no connections to Somalis. Since earlier you were trying to say Somalis were in North Africa due to Somalis being called Berbers by the Greeks.

Like I said you don't know what the heck you're arguing after being debunked so many times. Your own link you posted agreed with what I was saying, in that Berbers in North Africa weren't called Berber until the 19th century. So again NO CONNECTION with Somalis you a$$wipe.

They and somalis were called barbar which was used by Greeks and romans and the word later became berber do you get it? Berber is new and Barbar is not dumb mofo

Go read what I wrote above!

KidStranglehold:
Also from your OWN link!


LMAO!!!

Like I said the modern useage of the word Berber is RECENT! The Berbers from Northwest Africa and the ancient ones from Somalia never had anything connections. And there was never a group refereed to as Berber in Northwest Africa during antiquity.


Thanks for proving me right again axum.

It said barbar was used and The same thing as berber. The Word barbar itself became later a due corruption berber. You retard! Dont read just arrive on your own conclusion. It had connections Both were called barbar no berber. Get it? Pluss look their berber language it has alot of somali in it but also european arabic.

I can show u source where Both somalis and north african berbers were called puntites or punic. They were somali before european slave mixing and ottamon turk mixing.

I can show you old pictures of berbers from the past from berber tribes who look100% somali

Even Berbers In the present that look like us

Here look

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqypwKg9RsQ

We even have the same culture and costom

KidStranglehold:
Aye Dios mio!!! Read your own sources friend...


Thank you for proving my point.

The Word barbar was used. So it was the same shitt. I never refurted that berber was later use as i said it was a corruption of the Word barbar.

[quote author=KidStranglehold post=29921127]Favorite pic by Somali radicals. Only should a general map of Haplogroup E.

Northwest African males primary carry E-M81 which is not found in Somali males.
https://www.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup-E-M81.gif
Of course the european or turkish gene thanks for showing how mixed the somalis that live there are.

KidStranglehold:
Then show me a primary source that states so. I already posted two sources that states the modern usage of "Berber" is RECENT.

Here

The name "Berber" derives from variants of the root "barbar," which exist in most Indo-European sub-languages and Arabic. The Greek word "Βαρβαρος" (or the English transliteration, "barbaros" was initially used to refer to non-native speakers (also as non-citizens) in a manner quite similar to the definition of the Sanskrit word "barbara," which also means stammering.

Greek writers, Isocrates (436 - 338 BC) and Xenophon (430 - 354 BC) frequently used "barbaros" when referring to Persians (and other Asians), and the ancient Romans used the word "barbarus" (feminine: barbara) to refer to foreigners, such as Huns, Gauls, and Africans. The Romans expanded its definition to a more negative connotation (e.g. savage and uncivilized), and from the Roman use of the word, we get our present use of "barbarian" in modern English, as well as variants in other European languages.

The term "Berber," as it relates to Africans, was first used by medieval Arabic-speaking Muslim writers (from the Arabic word, "al-barbar" in a similar manner to the original meaning of barbar--to refer to speakers of foreign languages. Arabic-speaking Muslim writers did not use it to refer to any particular African region, culture, or ethnicity. Instead, the term referred to non-Arabic speaking Muslims who were also indigenous Africans (i.e., "black". It was not until much later in history that Europeans began calling the northwest African coast, "Barbary," and even later before they began referring to certain northwest Africans as Berbers.

Here source
http://www.taneter.org/berbers.html

EnlightenedSoul:
The North African Amazigh (and etc) were referred to as Berbers in antiquity, just as they are in today's world. That didn't start in the 19th century.

Here is map from antiquity were it show the one in north africa called berbers and somalia
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Near_East_-_india_3.JPG/800px-Near_East_-_india_3.JPG

The berber DNA
http://www.thegeneticatlas.com/E1b1b1_Y-DNA.htm They were somali living there before They bleeped european slaves and ottoman turks.

[quote author=Puntite post=29921079]Right bro and somalis and north african were called berbers by the greeks and the romans themselves. If somalia was rich thriving country at that time and were called berbers as well. What right are given to deny them being part of the moors.

Wikipedia is a shitty source. Berber is corruption of the Word barbar which is what Both north africa and somalia was called from ancient time up. No the term berber was attributed the same way to somalis Then to the berbers in north africa.

Somalis were among the berbers. They were as i should examples of called by europeans moors.

EnlightenedSoul:
The term "Berber" in all it's variations is wayyyy older than the 19th century. You'll find hints of that on this very thread.

And no, they don't speak a common language either.

I'm sorry to be one to inform you of just how misleading Wiki can be.

Right bro and somalis and north african were called berbers by the greeks and the romans themselves. If somalia was rich thriving country at that time and were called berbers as well. What right are given to deny them being part of the moors.

Wikipedia is a shitty source. Berber is corruption of the Word barbar which is what Both north africa and somalia was called from ancient time up!

Radoillo:
So I checked out the names mentioned in your 'proof:. Turns out they were caliphs of the Ummayyad Dynasty ruling from Cordoba, Spain (Abd errahman ibn Abd Allah, for example). Like I suspected you had taken the information out of context.

Nice.

The muslim fleet from east africa that attacked sicily? It was in medievel time from a book about the moors. The umayyad dynasty is from 661. The book was talking about 1301. There is Even mention about fleets from somalia. Dont confuse the abderahman from caliphate.

Look at the source below it says muslim fleet from was africa and it states by famous european Explorer that somalis were moors.

It also states that gods were shipped from east africa to al andulus.

Here is a map of the berber gene
[img]http://www.thegeneticatlas.com/E1b1b1_Y-DNA.htm[/img]
They were somalis before They mixed with european slaves and later mixed with turks when ottoman colonized it.

Bro if berbers were mentioned They might as well include somalis who were also called berbers. Naturally! It is not my fault you didn't know!

Look see it all Say from east africa! And mentioning Somalis as moors!

I will research this further give you moor stuff written.

EnlightenedSoul:
Lol, I know Somalis were called Berbers, but then don't you know that there are a people in North Africa called Berbers? They call themselves the Amazigh. They were the ones - with a mixture of others - who constitutes the moors that made Al-Andulus. You should look 'em up.

Aren't you a Muslim? The prophet was an Arab from Arabia. You should be saying 10 "Istaghfurallahs" right about now.

Salam. I know They attacked it al andulus, but somalis joined them look at the book enlisted above which is from a book about moorish civilization it States that somalis attacked sicily and joined up with the berbers in al andalus. Bro i never said he wasnt an arab from Arabia. I said he was darkskinned and looked no different than a horner. So was every arab also before the persian turkish migration. Say astaqfrullah for what? What is Haram that ive done i showed in this gjerast factual Proof from hadith about descripion of him as well as an hadith were prophet talks about the black sheep and white sheep mix happening and the black sheep no longer being seen in the herd of sheep. Where he states that non arab(white persian) will steal the arab identity.

Go look at what i posted throughout the thread.