Xmuslim:


Read my post again, but this time slowly.

I asked why did you force them against their will, even though islam says NO COMPULSION IN THE RELIGION

what you have re-affirm is this - THERE IS COMPULSION IN RELIGION

and please stop the narrative of - I can beat my child if it is to protect him against danger. That narrative has been busted. physical harm is different from religion threat which has never been substantiated

Moreover, why don't you focus on the NO COMPULSION IN THE RELIGION that your Quran emphasized? How would you implement that verse if all you do is force your children against their will even when they are yet to understand the concept of religion

Arkmanbuddy:


Ogbeni, that is Muhammad's Qur'an. Christians don't believe the Qur'an or your Allah. Whatever is written of Jesus is of no consequence.

Abdoolbuster:


With all these, abdools in Lagos Nigeria will still wait for the one abdool in Sokoto to tell them when to start their hunger strike lmao

advocatejare:

So ibn Kathir Tafsir is not authentic?

Xmuslim:
why do muslims force hijab on little children that doesn't have a mind of their own?

Yet you guys claim religion is by choice not by force.

I see double standard here. Why can't you let your kids be of age and tell them about islam and let them decide with their rational mind ?

truthCoder:


You say the person who worships Allah is a better person than the one who doesnt. Yet this thread is about the acclaimed equality by islam.

How can we all be equal when some people by the simple fact that they chose not to worship Allah makes them inferior and subject to slavery or condemnation?

You say the best comparison for a muslim is another muslim. This is exactly what i said in my previous post. I said islam sees equality theoretically only among muslims but sees other humans as inferior, which you just corroborated.

You keep making the assumption that every person who tries to question the illogical stance of the islamic fable is a Christian. This unfortunately reveals your limited horizon on the concept of religion and human diversity. Yes, islam and christianity has a large number of members with a huge majority of them inheriting the religion. However, islam or christianity are not the only religions or belief systems in the world. A lot of religious people are leaving. Religion would with time become only a cultural thing if the muslims dont blow up everything before then

You want to be ruled by islam but you prefer to apply to USA for visa instead of Afghanistan.

Suddenly you bring politics into the grand scheme of things. You mention China but try to ignore the fact that islam spread is strictly forbidden in China, possibly accounting for their growth. You mention Russia. Heck you will even mention North Korea or anything against USA. Unfortunately for you, this conversation is not about current world politics but the falsehood of equality in islam as painted by the OP.

truthCoder:


You started from a position to defend islam despite glaring historical facts. This wouldn’t allow you accept alternative opinions no matter how factual they are.

Islam spread mainly through warfare; the so called jihad. Vanquished communities were enslaved in the aftermath of such ‘evangelisms’ and it is a fact that islam tenets approved of this gruesome practice.

Islam gives legality to discriminate against non muslims and even sees them as lesser, both in current status and heavenly reward. There are quran quotes to back this up.

There was a case when Hazrat Maymunah, one of Mohammed’s wives decided to free one of her numerous slaves. Mohammed told her she would have gotten more blessings if she gave the slave girl to one of the wife’s uncle. Come to think of this scenario with an unbiased mind and determine how low of a value a slave girl had with Muhammed.

Quran 3.28 states clearly that muslims should not take non-muslim as allies…a clear discrimination on the kind of people to associate with.

The theoretical concept of equality in islam implies islamic equality which means equality amongst muslims. This implies that muslims are equal to one another but other groups are not equal to muslims.

The irony in the above equality concept is the fact that there is a serious discrimination in the muslim world. Fulani muslims for example see Yoruba Muslims as inferiors. Arabs see other muslims as inferiors. Even the sectarian cold war between shia and sunni is there. Equality remains a theory in islam.

A lot of blacks should be thankful that europeans had the upper hand in colonizing most of Africa and the middle east by 1900. The freedom to practice islam as a freeborn today was not provided by the islamic territories who thrived on slavery late into the 1960s legally and still today illegaly.

Cheers

advocatejare:
Muhammad’s Quraysh tribe was said to be of idol worshippers

Abdulmuttalib, Muhammad’s grandfather was a pagan

Muhammad’a father, Abdullah was a pagan because Muhammad confirmed that his father was in Hellfire

The Quran says that Muhammad was lost and misguided before he became a prophet: Muhammad was misguided and lost before Allah claimed to have sent him but Muslims always lie that Allah doesn't sent the misguided.

Jesus’ earthly parents took him to the temple as a child, he served the only true God, he was never lost or misguided

Jesus continued to serve the only true God and he commanded his disciples to preach the gospel to the whole world.

Muhammad also continued to serve his tribal god, Allah whom his pagan grandfather also served and named Abdullah after!

Which religion did Muhammad practice before being named prophet by Waraqa?

truthCoder:


Very good.

The origins of slavery is rooted in the belief that some humans are of lesser stock than some.

People don't enslave their social equals or superiors. You need to actually subjugate an individual or his community before you can even think of enslaving him/them.

Before you can enslave, you must first discriminate.

We can all agree that any society that practices slavery is a discriminatory society.

If Islam can tacitly support slavery, sexual rape of female slaves and genital mutilation of black male slaves whilst condemning the off-springs of slaves to slavery except their parent's owners decide to free them, then the OP is actually contradicting himself/herself with such a theoretical position.

Cheers.

truthCoder:


There is historical evidence that the founders of Islam owned and traded slaves.

It is even worrisome that this practice is still in existence in some islamic countries where the ownership of sex slaves is the norm.

Islam allowed muslims to morally own slaves.

As regards discrimination, white or arab slaves were allowed to be soldiers in the Ottoman empire while black slaves only served as servants or Eunuchs, at the best. To those who dont know who an Eunuch is, he is someone whose owner castrates and is allowed to stay in the house, as a house nigger.

Slave labour was fully employed by islam and is one of the core driving reasons for waging wars against other communities.

Treatment of slaves by islam has historically been very harsh. It was so harsh for example that it led to the Zanj rebellion in 869AD.

Slavery was still legal in Saudi Arabia up until 1962. It is still practiced underground in some countries.

There are a number of verses in the Quran as regards slavery and confirms a lower legal standing to slaves.

While the Quran encourages that slaves should be treated well, it doesn’t abolish slavery or discrimination.

Islam allows sex with female slaves even without their consent. It curiously prevents female slave owners from having sex with their male slaves though.

Plenty talk dey but let me stop here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery for further reading

alphaNomega:


Pretty bold of you to assume your religion, Islam, is against racism. A religion that regards you as a slave by the mere dark colour of your skin. Are you dark skinned and practicing Islam? You really need to have your head checked!

I don't blame you anyway, your ancestors were tortured into accepting the religion so they remain generational slaves to their Arab masters. It is by design and the purpose of all forms of religion.

You had no choice to decide what religion you want for yourself because you were born into an Islamic home. Unfortunately, your Imam would declare a fatwah on you if you dare leave the religion. You are not a free man. You are in bondage.

MDM2021:


If God were to kill for every sin committed by men you might not have been alive today.

RightChannel:


Who do you guys like this? Do you have reading and assimilating problem again? Go and read my texts again and again

Angel Gabriel didn't fought with Jacob, I've told you earlier that Angel Gabriel is the herald of visions, messenger of God and one of the angels of higher rank. He makes God's message understandable to people and helps them to accept it with a pure heart by NOT PINNING anyone's down..

Always read my texts before quoting it, you'll only look like an ignorant while arguing blindly

I've been following most of you Muslims here on Nairaland and have many evidences that when you Muslims are been asked difficult questions, you will turns it to annoyance by abusing the person that ask you the question as a means of escaping to answer such difficult question

You are the one that is wallowing in ignorance as you couldn't read and understand my texts..

I said Angel Gabriel will never pin people's down while making message of God understandable to people and helps them to accept it with a pure heart. Angel Gabriel will never fight anyone, pin anyone's down, that's not his job and assignment. DEMONS PINNED DOWN MUHAMMAD and Not Angel Gabriel

You can ask me more about Angels, mention his name and I'll tell you his roles.. Always seek for knowledge from we Christians, don't be to know more than allah that gave you this instructions

RightChannel:


Do you have comprehensive problem? I said Angel Gabriel can never pinned anyone's down just because he wanted to pass a message, demons visited your prophet and not Angel Gabriel

Your allah knows that you'll have this kind of encounter in the future and that was why he told you to always seek for knowledge from we Christians

Don't let allah the best of the deceivers deceived you to the core, Angel Gabriel will never pinn anyone's down just because he wanted to pass a message

advocatejare:

What was the intention of pinning him down? To possess him?

RightChannel:


I asked you a question but you failed woefully to answer. The same Jibril that visited Mary as written down in your Qur'an, did he pinned Mary down?

Angel Gabriel is not like Angel Micheal, you can use the internet to know more about the two Angels. Angel Gabriel will never pin anyone's down just because he wanted to pass a message.. Demons (Jinns) tormented your prophet in cave and not Angel Gabriel

So you agreed that he was pinned down the work of Angel Gabriel is to make God's message understandable to people and helps them to accept it with a pure heart and not to pin someone's down.. Several times this same prophet of yours went up the top of a mountain in order to throw himself down

advocatejare:

The attributes of the so called Jibreel were that of a jinn and not of an angel.

You don’t know and instead of asking you don’t want to:

“So if you are in doubt, about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters.”
-Yunus 10:94

RightChannel:


Your question had been answered already but let me just add this to it so as to open wide your brain.

When the same Jibril visited Mary as written down in your Qur'an, did he pinned Mary down?

RightChannel:


How an ordinary jinn pinned down muhammad

advocatejare:

Angels don’t pin people down, angels don’t harass messengers of God

Angels make their intentions known to the people they are sent to


Angels introduce themselves to the people they are sent to!


We know that the so called angel that appeared to muhammad and pressed him down three times is not an angel but a demon because of the above reasons:

1. He pressed Muhammad (O rin Muhammad mole) that’s an attribute of demonic oppression

2. He didn’t make intentions known to muhammad, he only said “read” he didn’t say he had come to tell muhammad that he was destined to be a prophet. Muhammad was pronounced a prophet by Waraqa

3. He didn’t introduce himself from being from God

advocatejare:

Sahih al-Bukhari 3
Narrated 'Aisha (the mother of the faithful believers):
The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was in the form of good dreams which came true like bright daylight, and then the love of seclusion was bestowed upon him. He used to go in seclusion in the cave of Hira where he used to worship (Allah alone) continuously for many days before his desire to see his family. He used to take with him the journey food for the stay and then come back to (his wife) Khadija to take his food likewise again till suddenly the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira. The angel came to him and asked him to read. The Prophet (ﷺ) replied, "I do not know how to read." The Prophet (ﷺ) added, "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read and I replied, 'I do not know how to read.' Thereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read but again I replied, 'I do not know how to read (or what shall I read)?' Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me, and then released me and said, ….

advocatejare:

Sahih Bukhari 3 talks about how the jinn pinned muhammad down three times, talks about how Muhammed feared tht something bad may happen to him, talks about how he ran to his wife Khadija who took him to Waraqa who pronounced him a prophet.

RightChannel:


Rashduct4luv this is serious oo

advocatejare:

Sahih Bukhari 3 talks about how the jinn pinned muhammad down three times, talks about how Muhammed feared tht something bad may happen to him, talks about how he ran to his wife Khadija who took him to Waraqa who pronounced him a prophet.


You Muslims accept that Abdulmuttalib was a pagan, what was the name of his idol? Allah!

How do we know? Idol worshippers name their children after their idols. Abdulmuttalib named Abdullah, muhammad’a father after Allah his idol!

advocatejare:

Allah is the pagan idol of Quraysh that pagans including Muhammad’s grandfather, Abdulmuttalib worshipped and even named Abdullah his son after.

Muhammad only continued the family idol practice and passed in down to Muslims


Muhammad was worshipping his tribal idol, Allah in the cave before he had encountered with the jinn that pressed him down


Muhammad knew that it was a jinn and he feared that something bad might happen to him but Khadijah and Waraqa were determined to make muhammad a prophet by all means


Waraqa pronounced Muhammad as a prophet and not any divine power!

Femiwilli:


Many people dont accept that allah is not the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob

God never said He is the God of Ishmael the forefather of mohammed

Exodus 3:6
I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob

This man explains it further that allah is NOT God.
He highlights something most moslems miss.

Moahmmed's name has to do with allah, which means that b4 islam allah was worshiped


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODq0BooqXQk

Tiiitoo:
Al-Ahzab Verse 53

"you who believe, do not enter the houses of the Prophet, unless you are permitted for a meal, not (so early as) to wait for its preparation. But when you are invited, go inside. Then, once you have had the meal, just disperse, and (do) not (sit for long) being keen for a chat. This (conduct of yours) hurts the Prophet, but he feels shy of (telling) you (about it), but Allah is not shy of the truth. And when you ask any thing from them (the blessed wives of the Prophet), ask them from behind a curtain. That is better for the purity of your hearts and their hearts. It is not allowed for you that you hurt Allah’s Messenger, nor that you ever marry his wives after him. Indeed, it would be an enormity in the sight of Allah"

So I was reading the Quran online and I saw this.
I need some explanation on this verse. Where's Antichristian??
Why is Prophet Mohammed so SHY to disperse his subjects; that he needs a revelation from Allah to help him disperse crowds from his �?

Imagine a Warlord is so shy to disperse crowds that he needs Allah's help.

What has this got to do with Salvation or Janna, seriously.

Note: pls disregard that oath I was compelled to sign to post in here.