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@Princek12

It seems you genuinely need help to understand. But you already have so many answers to your questions in your own post. Let me first quote you to highlight these.

You wrote:

Quest. So what are they learning in these Almajiri schools? What is the reasoning behind establishing these Almajiri schools in the first place?
Ans. They are searching for Islamic knowledge,

You also wrote:

Q. Also, why not outlaw these schools in the first place?
Ans. Muslims have a right to practice their religion

Then you surprisingly ask:

if Islam has nothing to do with Almajiri schools

But of course Islam has everything to do with this almajiri schools since like you said they are searching for Islamic knowledge.

The important question you ask is

why not outlaw and abolish these schools and establish public school education for these poor children?

Of course at the present time these schools are not ideal or sufficient for any Nigerian. But if you think a bit you will realize that in Nigeria we do not develop. Ancient systems are still used in modern times. Nigerian Universities suffer the same fate to a lesser extent. The almajiri system was almost ideal when it was first introduced because many eminent scholars have been churned out from these schools, who have gone on to excel in science and all forms of western education.

Even though we now have private Islamic science schools in Nigeria that combine religious and western education, you dont have to be a rocket scientist to understand why these almajiris dont go to those schools. These free schools where they sleep, live, and beg for food to eat is the only available option to them.

If you are really concerned about the almajiris and really want to help, then pressurize and ask questions of the governments whose job it is to help these poor souls.

Crude Oil:
It is very impossible.

Why is it impossible? Or do you mean improbable

Rgp92:
Imagine if alle the tribes in Nigeria were working together to build a better nation. Nigeria could have been a powerful nation

It is possible. If only the present generation would set their hearts and minds on reaching this goal.

OAM4J:
Nice Idea.

Fact is democracy as it is, is not working for us. If the democracy we have now is the only/best solution we have, then we are doomed as a nation.

Some talked about rotational presidency aka zoning (which in itself is no longer democracy), but see where it has led us, cos it was not well thought out, like what happens when a sitting president from a zone dies?

By and large we have to understand our own peculiar problems/situations and develop a system of government that is best for us.

Regional government, Ethnic nationalities are all options but we need to ask ourselves; how do we manage the center? Because if we practice democracy as it is known - the rule of the majority, some regions/ethnics will always remain marginalized because of their numbers.

I hope you understand my point.

I agree. But any system developed must be based on democracy (choice of the people by the people for the people )

Kobojunkie:
Well, personally democracy is the choice I would go with . . . enough of the divide and the regional nonsense in my opinion. I would rather we move to evolve to a point where all that divide be put where it should belong . . . on the back burner so we can run this nation, for the good of our children, and their future. However, we do not all seem to agree on that.

As we stand, some zones/regions continue to make their own rules, and that to me is a big problem that we need to tackle now. For democracy to work, that has to be done away with. Whatever system we decide on in the end, we have to be willing to accept the consequences and rules that come with it. That is the only way to ensure success. Bending the rules that come with systems of Government will not help us because we still have no good experience with any good Government system as it stands.

By the way the regional government is democratic, just like the current system we have. The main essence is to bring power closer to the people. We still have a president or prime minister at the centre who is more of a ceremonial figurehead. Their wont be too much pressure on this single powerful presidential post as we know it now. The other advantages include faster economic development due to competition and fear of being overtaken or dominated. It also gives opportunity for peculiar regional interests to be satisifed without being a nuisance to anyone else. Remember democracy is supposed to allow people choose their way of life as well.

However the current system is also good. I hope we can succeed with it.

Imagine a case of a woman bethrothed from birth . . . She lived stuck with the idea that she is to be married to her father's 65-year old friend. Fortunately, and unfortunately for her, her father and the man she is bethrothed to dies suddenly, and her mother tells her she is free . . . she is free to marry who she wants. This girl now has the chance to

a) Choose who she wants to marry

b) Decide if she wants to marry the dead old man's brother

c) Or better still remain free -- not marry at all


She has a decision to make . . . She is free now, but she still has to decide if she wants to be free for life or not.

Very nice analogy! Imagine she decides to marry the dead mans brother.

But seriously I want us to go back to regional governments so that each region should be forced to develop their strengths.

It is a more realistic option than break up. I dont see how Nigeria can be divided. But that is my view.

Kobojunkie:
But that is what I am saying . . . . . the citizens have the power now to correct the system. They have the power to decide now whether they want an Autocracy, a Monarchy, or even a Democracy but what are they doing with that chance to decide?? Nothing . . . . many are still undecided, it seems. We keep handing power back to the same group of thieves, without taking full control of the situation.

You imply here that it is the solution but we are not taking full control of the situation.

Kobojunkie:
If you do not understand what the message is. . . try to open your mind a bit , not attempt to discredit the person simply because you are unwilling to step out of your box for a minute to attempt to see things differently.

There is nothing circular in what I have posted on this issue to this point. If you can provide rational rebuttal . . . try that approach instead!!!

Earlier I said democracy is the only solution and you begged to disagree. Now it seems you agree. NO?

Kobojunkie:
But that is what I am saying . . . . . the citizens have the power now to correct the system. They have the power to decide now whether they want an Autocracy, a Monarchy, or even a Democracy but what are they doing with that chance to decide?? Nothing . . . . many are still undecided, it seems. We keep handing power back to the same group of thieves, without taking full control of the situation.

Kobojunkie you have started going round in circles. I am sure you are tired now. When do you sleep anyway?  

[quote author=EzeUche__ link=topic=652679.msg8186031#msg8186031 date=1303529661]I can't speak for other groups, but the Ndigbo continue to desire to have a nation of our own. Wait to the generation that suffered through the civil war dies off and you will see my generation make sure we have our freedom. My parents generation is the ones that are holding my generation back.[/quote]  If you die before them nko?

Kobojunkie:
I have to disagree with you there. I don't believe in messiahs ( those born to lead and what not -- I believe mankind has one and just the one), neither do I believe in solutions that are outside of people. Democracy, in my opinion, is a tool -- a means to an end. We have it, means we have a tool with which to solve our problems with. That is what I believe it simply is.

Other countries fought and lost thousands to earn it. It was handed us on a platter of gold --- thank God for taking Abacha out of the way for us. We got it -- now to use it, we continue to refuse to. It is like the case of a man with 20 acres of rich land and seeds in his late father barn; Even with all that the same man begging from the house of his servants.

So what do you want? Autocracy, Monarchy or what?

We are talking about how citizens(in this case Nigerians) can correct the system. What better way than to have the power in their hands?

Ystranger:
Does it even occur to you that democracy is not the solution?

Democracy is the only solution

redsun:
The biggest problem of nigeria is primitivity, people are not evolving,it's like they are living in past,just like all the primitive creatures,like the anthropods, that for one reason or the other failed to see the light and remove the veils of timidity and inactivities.

Thank you. It is very easy for the lucky few like me and you to sit in the comforts of our homes in England and write whatever we like here. But for the Nigerians you refer to in your post, maybe they have no chance to "evolve" because they have been so oppressed that their biggest worry is getting food to eat.

[quote author=alex_101 link=topic=652679.msg8185609#msg8185609 date=1303522020]Dude, I'm not interested in going round a circle with you,,,,,,infact you one-nigerianists are well known for 'circus argument' Little wonder why after 50yrs, you all are still in darkness, hence the perpetual use of generator I refuse to remain in the wilderness for another 50yrs with you clowns

WAKE UP TO REALITY!!!!!!!! YOU ARE ALL DOOMED IN 'ONE-NIGERIA'[/quote]Okay pack your bags and start running.

[quote author=dem_people link=topic=652679.msg8185601#msg8185601 date=1303521929]@Poster,

I like the tone of your first post but let's be realistic here. Nigeria is a wasted nation. Infact, its a failed state. The sooner we realise we've been fooling ourselves for close to 100 years, the better.

We're kind of, a country at a stalemate. The leaders are busy looting the country dry while the citizenry are busy with struggles of how to make a living. The few better-off within them a.k.a the middle class are busy discussing football or some other stuff to divert their attention. Everyone discusses politics both virtually and on-ground but u see, such conversations are a mere way of passing time. We keep on analysing and articulating ideas on 9ja issues online here on Nl, nigeriavillagesquare, saharareporters, vanguard etc but after every every, its business as usual.

As you can see, the theme of your topic has veered off into Buhari and election this and that. Before you know it, insults will be traded here and there. Some will get offended, some will get tired, some will laugh.

Though your topic is a good one, it really has no effect on anyone here. We've had loads of such topics on this forum. It doesn't quite change anything.

Nairaland is a funny place.[/quote]Your post adds strength to my main argument. The sooner we decide to direct our energy into tackling these selfish leaders, the better for all of us.

Ikedi Ohakim on Buhari

", I must commend them for coming out to issue statements. I want to commend General Muhammadu Buhari, a man that I admire so much, who visited Imo State recently and I interacted with him. I know that he has a lot for this country and he can do it from any prism, on any pedestal, whether he is president or not, "

", Four years is not four decades; before you close your eyes and open it, four years would have passed. I do not know why people are worried. People should learn to be patient. Buhari can still be president in 2015. The presidents of Algeria, Senegal, and Zimbabwe are within the 80 years bracket. Buhari can still be president of this country, because he is agile and blessed with good physique, "

[quote author=alex_101 link=topic=652679.msg8185467#msg8185467 date=1303520257]If you like you say "here we come again". The truth hurts I guess. You "one-nigerianists" are the most pathetic and demented sort of humans I've ever come across. Keep fooling yourselves. Your phucking country is doomed [/quote]We choose to be realistic while you allow your emotions to cloud your sense of reasoning. Your leaders are not thinking close to how you are thinking. Read Ikedi Ohakims interview below. He even thinks Buhari should be President in 2015.

http://sunnewsonline.com/webpages/features/newsonthehour/2011/apr/23/newsbreak-23-04-2011-001.htm

Kobojunkie:
@Poster, you are right! Problem as you can see is Nigerians are probably not mature enough to see this. We are still emotionally driven . . . driven to even vote back in the same leaders we ought to get rid of with our votes.

That is really a big problem, and the so called leaders are very selfish.

Before the presidential election there was one member of national assembly from the north I know personally who was campaigning for Jonathan. When he was challenged by some of his people to support Buhari. He confidently gave us his reason. That if Jonathan wins then he will have a better chance of becoming Speaker.

[quote author=alex_101 link=topic=652679.msg8185229#msg8185229 date=1303517216]@ post

I greet you good morning Most of you nigerians are dumb and dreamers Nigeria is an irredeemable junk and it's already too late to do anything about it.

Below is the fate of your 'one nigeria' if you really want the truth:

Nigeria remaining one will continue her downward course, where there will eternal darkness, ethnic strife/bigotry, and other forms of social upheaval.

You clowns need to wake-up to reality. "One nigeria" is doomed [/quote]Here we go again. Well even if Nigeria is going to be broken down state by state into 36 countries, there will still be need to hold our leaders accountable. It is a fundamental problem that cannot be ignored.

Follow the same path as our retiring leaders and violation r.a.pe. Nigeria further

I wrote despoil not violation. Thanks

At this difficult period for all of us, I want to make a clarion call to all Nigerian youths. We must rise above

1. anger, frustation, hate, and self pity

2. bigotry, ethnic and religious bias, and self indulgence

3. people worship, laziness, carefree attitude and lack of direction

Nigeria is going to be 51 years old by October this year. It is safe to say that the generation of Nigerians over 50 years have failed already. Even if they start doing the right things today, they will not be alive to see the Nigeria of their dreams. Rome was not built in one day. But the question is will we follow the same path? The current options for most of us are:

1. Abandon ship and live abroad in US, UK etc for the rest of our lives.

2. Follow the same path as our retiring leaders and rape Nigeria further.

3. Identify the real problems and challenges. Start doing the right things sooner rather than later.

As I am Hausa from the North, it is important for me to first of all say killing of fellow human beings is the worst of all evil. It is not possible to justify murder. It is a pity that the innocent lives lost will never be brought back and their deaths will leave permanent scars in the hearts and minds of all decent Nigerians.

I do not want to impose my view on anyone else, but my honest opinion is that the election killings and most previous killings in the past are indirectly caused by poor leadership in the North in particular and Nigeria in general. Government resources are blatantly shared by less than 5% of the population while the majority are left to live in abject poverty. The poor youths are jobless, uneducated, frustrated, hungry, jealous, and very angry. The system has been very unkind to them and has made them to become the blood thirsty touts they are. They need help!!! But who is going to help them. We can strongly condemn, jail, or even kill the few that are caught. But that is like leaving shit in our pants and spraying perfume on top of it.

It is time we stand up and demand that things are done the right way in Nigeria. If one Nigerian is killed in Bauchi for example, the Governor (chief security officer) of Bauchi should be held responsible and made to account for it by either catching the perpetrator or immediately resigning from office. Let them be made to explain how they spend each kobo of our resources or be put in jail. Let them give us a manifesto before they get elected and be put in jail if they refuse to do what they promised. Lets face the root of our problems or risk wasting our genration.

@ Jenifa
You started this thread in the middle of the night so could not contribute and for some reason nairaland site seems to be very slow today. However my response to you is below:

There is nothing fundamentally wrong with Hausa/Fulani people. You don’t even have to look far if you are truthful.

I ask everyone here to think of all their personal Hausa friends or colleagues in school, at work, on your travels and so on. Is there anything wrong with them?

Think about some public Hausa people like Tafawa Balewa, Ahmadu Bello, Sanusi Lamido, Aliko Dangote, Nuhu Ribadu, Muhammadu Buhari, Abdulsalam Abubakar and so on. Are they any different from Obafemi Awolowo, Nnamdi Azikiwe, Pat Utomi, Mike Adenuga, Tunde Idiagbon, Alex Ekwueme and so on?

Think about some other public Hausa people like IBB, Saminu Turaki, Atiku Abubakar and so on. Are they any different from Olusegun Obasanjo, James Ibori, Tony Anenih, Bode George and so on?

A lot of people point to the high number of illiterate thugs (Violent Area Boys) in the North to condemn ALL the Hausa people. But you may as well point to the high number of educated touts (Yahoo Yahoo fraudsters) in the SW to condemn ALL the Yoruba people. Or point to the high number of crooked businessmen (Cocaine Pushers) in the East to condemn ALL the Igbo people.

We have a major problem in the North (just like other regions have their own problems), but our so-called National Leaders do not care about the masses. When they get to the corridors of power, they do not have any tribe or religion. They join the “Elites club” while the masses (including many of us) worship them and protect them with all our might and even our blood. They don’t give a hoot what happens to us. THEY are the ones responsible for ALL the problems in Nigeria.

@Poster

Thanks for this list. We will keep watch.

@GEJ Diehards

Haba why are you angry about this post. Don't you want GEJ to fulfill all the above promises he made so that he becomes the true "messiah" we have been waiting for? I pray Jonathan succeeds but if he messes up I hope you will be humble enough to admit it.

I even checked his facebook page but nothing there. Maybe he is not yet aware or he is still celebrating his expected victory.

I wonder. I hope he is up to the task ahead.

Please let us who claim to be responsible only post pictures with relevant source: e.g. location, how picture was obtained, when incident happened and so on. Thanks

There is so much tension and alleged violence in Nigeria at the moment. This is the first major issue that Jonathan has to tackle since after the presidential election. Let us see how he handles this.

deols:
pls tell me ds ddnt happen today. ds is just unfathomable

Mobinga where did you get this picture please?

[quote author=X-factoria link=topic=649046.msg8152924#msg8152924 date=1303116773]For a special rescue mission, a former head of state should be humble enough to make that sacrifice of serving there If he really means well. You don't have to be the President to make that change.

If Buhari refuses it on that ground, then all his anti-corruption stuffs would be a ruse afterall. In fact, If I were GEJ, that would be the best way to show that Buhari only wanted power for having it sake and not because he is passionate about any change.[/quote]I only posted that to expose hypocrisy of people like you.

EFCC is a parastatal under the control of attorney general of the federation. Not fitting for a former head of state.

This is B.S, I have to say.

B to the S.

Because they dont expect their candidate to win because they've field in a Yoruba for 8 years? You think we didnt know the Northerners would throw their weight behind a Northern candidate? If we wanted a Yoruba to win, we would have voted for a Northerner with Yoruba candidate, we would have allied with the Notherners so that a Northerner/Yoruba would have won. Truss me. . . .if the SW was all for a Northerner, GEJ would not be seeing the light of day.

1. VP is not comparable to President. Personally I will prefer Senate President or even Speaker to VP.

2. Pastor Bakare is not popular in SW. If someone like Fasola was Buharis VP, the outcome would be different.

My point of emphasis is that there was no major contender from yorubaland. They dont expect any of their candidates to win because they just recently finished an 8 year tenure. The real contenders were Ijaw and Hausa. The yorubas decided to go for Ijaw, which is okay. But this cannot be interpreted as being less tribalistic than Hausa and Ijaw people for example who had their loved sons as major candidates.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=648416.msg8145352#msg8145352 date=1303016137]Define majority in numbers. . . compare majority of GEJ's vote to those of Buhari's and other Yoruba candidates on that presidential polls.

Ok, my bad, GEJ has not won in Nigeria, but he has won the SW with overwhelming votes. . .  .


Compare the rsult of the SW to that of SE and N. Compare the numbers of SEasterns who voted for GEJ (because he's an Easterner) and that of SW that voted for Yoruba candidates/ Candidates with Yoruba campaign mates.[/quote]