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AntiChristian:
Islam is peace.

You should ask your Yahweh what He meant by the Bolded from Isaiah 45:7:

New International Version
I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.

New Living Translation
I create the light and make the darkness. I send good times and bad times. I, the LORD, am the one who does these things.

English Standard Version
I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the LORD, who does all these things.

Berean Study Bible
I form the light and create the darkness; I bring prosperity and create calamity. I, the LORD, do all these things.

King James Bible
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

QUESTION 1. AllBible good and bad/evil/calamity we see or hear are created by who?

A. YAHWEH (LORD)

B. MUSLIMS

C. NONE OF THE ABOVE.

D. I CAN EXPLAIN...………………………………………………………..

NB: You need to deny this Bible verse to prove your point!








Not really! Just don't know which is true from the options above!

malcom1X:


Allah sending prayers requests.

firstolalekan:
If we go by cruelty and aburd laws, is the bible not worse? Especially the old testament that Jesus came to fulfill.

Don't be a hypocrite

tatatar:
I still don't see what your backup proves regarding his write-up.

Is there any Mosque in the Vatican?
Every Saudi Arabian citizen is a Muslim,so there are no need officially for churches. The non-Muslims are expats who reside in their own diplomatic quarters where they're allowed to do whatever they want inside.

tatatar:
Is there any Mosque in the Vatican?

tatatar:
Every Saudi Arabian citizen is a Muslim,so there are no need officially for churches. The non-Muslims are expats who reside in their own diplomatic quarters where they're allowed to do whatever they want inside.

1Sharon:
Where are the Muslims?

These cold hard facts shut you up real good right?

tatatar:
What does this proves in regards to his write-up

And ain't there 3million of you Kaffirs in Saudi Arabia?

tatatar:
Rubbish.
Lying as usual

AntiChristian:
You still haven't answered my question yet.

Yahweh created Jesus. Where did Yahweh made Jesus a Christian?

What's Yahweh religion for his people?

ANTIlSLAM:
RightChannel more anointing Brother and for you ItsReal that is not rude and high in intellect, what you said here is just praising the Brother you are in discussion with abi

"I think your rant should be aimed at the church and the crusaders.


Read read read and don't be an ignorant fellow..."

You ain't rude here ooo but when things fall apart you always look for an escaping route.

I so much like the way that Brother analyzed everything, you came up with your own rant and he confronted you with Quran and ahadith which you don't have choice rather than to succumb. He gave many points which I expect you to kicked against from Muslim women to the issue of Christians and Jews, etc. All your own points has no concrete evidence rather than showcasing what you've been told by your clerics that are as confused than a chameleon in a bag of skittles.

ANTIlSLAM:
Very funny indeed, Jesus Christ is a Muslim as he never carry kettle, bang his head on the floor, and so on. They can blasphemy against Jesus Christ but nobody dare blasphemy against Muhammad

ItsReal:
Owkay, it seems you want it rude.

Firstly, Islam is the religion practiced from from the start of time. The meaning of Islam is Submission. Submission to the commandments of God.
Ever since God created mankind, he has sent down prophets and books to serve as guidelines for them to remain guided. Generation after generation, prophets were raised in each nation or tribe to remind the people of their servitude to God. Adam was was the first of the prophets and he was the first human. Followed by him were prophets like nuh, ibrahim, ismaeel, ishaq, musa, eesa and the last prophet was Muhammad.

So it is a chain of prophets coming to deliver the same core message; Worship God only and stay away from associating partners with him.

With this, you will understand that when you hear the word Islam, it doesn't mean a new religion that started about 1400 years ago but the religion of all prophets of God.

That been said.

Each prophet was given a body of laws that is specific to the people they were sent to. And God is the one who makes the laws. Also, while all prophets were sent to their individual nations, the prophet muhammad was sent to the entire world as the last and seal of prophethood.


If you have a problem with the laws of islam, them you will have a problem with the laws found in Judaism,  Christianity and the laws of followers of other prophets of God.


I have been conversing with you as a sensible fellow until now that you just proved to be as senseless as it can get.

You are asking me for a verse in the bible about Muslims when the word Muslims or Islam came after about 500 years after.  Ah ha, are you stupid or what. Your question is just like asking Jews why dey have to "kill jesus" and that were they told to do so in their Torah.
Using a simple common sensical logic, who should talk about who? The one who came after or the one who came before?


And I have told you a verifiable information, the Christians have been the worst enemies of the Jews since time immemorial.  Sadly, even though you saw my questions in that post ,you didn't reply to it.

Who have been killing the Jews  and who has been protecting them ?

If you don't know ,most of jews in Isreal now migrated from places like morrocco. Infact, when the jews massacre was on, the Islamic caliphate then were the ones harboring them from Christians brutality.

Infact, I recently watched a YouTube research video where Jews in Isreal were asked who they have found much peace with over the centuries. All of those who knew their past said muslims. And here you are trying to flip the script.  Hypocrite...

Here is the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klfip2scUIs


Also, there is a bit of a misconception you have. In the Quran, the jews and Christians are referred to as the people of the book and not grouped together with the pagans who are outrightly called disbelievers.

Also, the Muslims lived with jews right from in inception. to an extent that Muslim males were allowed to marry pious women from the people of the book. If the command was to kill them, then why marry from amongst them..

Are you now thinking ?

Allah said in the Quran ;

Surah Al-Mumtahina, Verse 8:
لَّا يَنْهَاكُمُ اللَّهُ عَنِ الَّذِينَ لَمْ يُقَاتِلُوكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ وَلَمْ يُخْرِجُوكُم مِّن دِيَارِكُمْ أَن تَبَرُّوهُمْ وَتُقْسِطُوا إِلَيْهِمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُقْسِطِينَ

Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice.

Surah Al-Mumtahina, Verse 9:
إِنَّمَا يَنْهَاكُمُ اللَّهُ عَنِ الَّذِينَ قَاتَلُوكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ وَأَخْرَجُوكُم مِّن دِيَارِكُمْ وَظَاهَرُوا عَلَىٰ إِخْرَاجِكُمْ أَن تَوَلَّوْهُمْ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُمْ فَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الظَّالِمُونَ

Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of (your) religion, and drove you forth from your homes and backed up (others) in your expulsion, that you make friends with them, and whoever makes friends with them, these are the unjust.


am not done with you o. Just as I said, I have a job. I will come back to complete my message to you and then finalize it with what God has promised the dwellers of hell so that you may be warned.

ItsReal:
Please try to watch this short video. It is a concise answer to your post.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4NAD97hsOw

ItsReal:
Do you even know anything about how the church was in control of government in European countries?. do you know the reason for the call to secularism?. Have you ever heard of the word crusaders?.

Do you know what the non Christians majorly Jews faced at the hand of Christians? . The reconquest of spain? Infact, do you know anything about Christianity other than what your motivational speaker tell you on Sundays?

like have you read the bible that the church used to justify the crusaders, slavery, colonisation and the missionary?

or more importantly, do know what or who is referred to as the Church?


I believe your problem is deeply rooted in two things.
1. the black man disease ; reading
2. propaganda against Islam to prevent the spread of the religion.

Since you don't read, news media and your role models will fees you with what they want you to hear. and instead of you to research about it, you just follow sheepishly.


Even though it is understandable that someone who sees another thing as a threat to it may resolve to propaganda ,  you the listener shouldn't be excused for not trying to ascertain the true position of your perceived enemy.

There is an adage that says; he whose house is made of glass should not throw stone. You have something you regard as a problem in your religion, and then you cover it as though it never existed. thereafter, you begin to point blaming fingers on others.  Only an ignorant hypocrite will do that.


On the issue of killings, answer me. Who killed and tormented the life of the Jews? was it the Muslims. Did you even know that even before Adolf Hitler, the church has been killing and torturing Jews? Infact, the Islamic caliphate had always been the one to protect them. Read  Read Read and don't remain an ignorant fellow.


Did you know that the present day Spain and Portugal was an islamic state about 700 years ago. It was called Andalus. The Muslims ruled the country for about 700 years before the catholics came to take over the state. Muslims, Jews and non catholic Christians were tortured and killed or forced to be catholics. Did you know anything about this? NO. You know nothing but you what to talk.

There is a wise saying that a fool talks because he has to say something while the wise man talks because he has something to say.

By the way, just in case you don't know, Adolf Hitler was a Catholic Christian . He was raised in a Catholic orphanage and grew up to hate Jews so much that he continued on the path of early Christians in killing the jews.



I no wan dey quote biblical verses mentioning killings and violence to you since you don't read. If you read a bit, you will notice that I gave an example of how the church charged Galileo for blasphemy and I told the OP to do a simple Google search to find out that blasphemy laws was just abrogated in European countries some years ago.

I mentioned it on this same thread but you still find it hard to read.

I really pity your condition. Na your type they make people say the reading culture is decreasing in the country.

ItsReal:
I think your rant should be aimed at the church and the crusaders.


Read read read and don't be an ignorant fellow...

ItsReal:
Also , you mentioned some stuff about the Muslim women. If you happen to know about Islam and you are not just a news hearer only, even you will debunk the claims that Muslim women are oppressed.

I believe the question of women being oppressed any started about less than a 100 tears ago. Yeah, go and make your research into the time when females started agitating for recognition in the society or equal represention.

If you read the encyclopaedia, you find out that the word woman is used by the English swim in a woe man, this is congruent to the belief of the Christians that Eve ,the wife of Adam lured her husband to eat the apple. They saw her and the women folks as the reason for their problems on earth.

In a verse of the Quran, Allah mentioned a case study of what happens with the Jews, Surah Al-Anaam, Verse 139:
وَقَالُوا مَا فِي بُطُونِ هَٰذِهِ الْأَنْعَامِ خَالِصَةٌ لِّذُكُورِنَا وَمُحَرَّمٌ عَلَىٰ أَزْوَاجِنَا وَإِن يَكُن مَّيْتَةً فَهُمْ فِيهِ شُرَكَاءُ سَيَجْزِيهِمْ وَصْفَهُمْ إِنَّهُ حَكِيمٌ عَلِيمٌ

And they say: What is in the wombs of these cattle is specially for our males, and forbidden to our wives, and if it be stillborn, then they are all partners in it; He will reward them for their attributing (falsehood to Allah); surely He is Wise, Knowing.



also, before the messengership of prophet Muhammed, people would kill their female child. They saw them as bad luck (or just they English called them: the unfortunate man)
Here is the verse on that; Surah Al-Anaam, Verse 140:
قَدْ خَسِرَ الَّذِينَ قَتَلُوا أَوْلَادَهُمْ سَفَهًا بِغَيْرِ عِلْمٍ وَحَرَّمُوا مَا رَزَقَهُمُ اللَّهُ افْتِرَاءً عَلَى اللَّهِ قَدْ ضَلُّوا وَمَا كَانُوا مُهْتَدِينَ

They are lost indeed who kill their children foolishly without knowledge, and forbid what Allah has given to them forging a lie against Allah; they have indeed gone astray, and they are not the followers of the right course.



Mainly, I think the question should be that what is oppression to you? is oppression to you when you see a woman covered in hijab and not half naked, or when she takes care of her home and family while the husband goes out to look for food for the family.

any of the two you choose, it will amaze you to find out just about Less than a hundred years ago, even every sane person all over the world were fully clothed with out walking almost naked in the streets. Also, all women were housewives too.

so ask yourself this question, is it that when western countries are guilty of something u term as oppression now , you turn away and put no blame on them but point fingers at Muslims for the same thing.


that's the reason why I said if you know about islam,you wouldn't mention this at all. before the prophet muhammad, women's don't get any share of the inheritance at all. in fact , they were deemed as property of the husband just as people still do in the yoruba tribe where upon the death of a man, a family member can take over ownership of the wife.

on the issue of inheritance, women in Islam are to take inheritance from almost all possible relatives even though they are meant to be catered for by their fathers followed by their husbands in the event of marriage. this is as opposed to the male who can only take inheritance from some specific close relatives only.


not to make this long, I will conclude by saying the women of the disbelievers had no women right and they just of recent started clamoring for things women in Islam have been benefiting from since more than a thousand years ago.

but unfortunately, instead of them to recognize the Muslim women as their predecessors who had the rights they were looking for, they wanted more ( feminism ) and they started depicting Muslim women as the uncivilized oppressed woman.

ItsReal:
Lemme start from the bottom, all religions see people who disbelieve in their teaching as an opponent, I repeat ,All religions. So singling out Islam on this regard is unjustly.

To the Christian, a Muslim is an infidel. In fact , the word infidel was first used by Crusaders who ravaged wars against Muslims and Jews. To the Jewish man, if you are not a jew, you are not among the chosen ones, you are disbeliever. And in Islam , if you heard about the messengership of prophet Muhammad and yet you disbelieve, you are a disbeliever.
However, Islam regards people who were on the teachings of prophet Musa (moses) b4 the advent of Jesus as muslims and the real Christians who worship God and not Jesus b4 the advent of prophet Muhammed as muslims.

On the issue of blasphemy, I said it before, all religions and society has a law in form of punishment against blasphemy. All these western countries recently abolished their own blasphemy laws when the people started asking for the church to be excluded from government (secularism). You can Google this easily. Similar to this is the case of apostasy. To know more, endeavor to read more.

I will complete the response soon ,MA ba3 is about to go off

Empiree:
I don't like engaging ignorant

Empiree:
just one engagement, the both of you are shivering already. With all your rants, my one post shut you up bcuz you have nothing to say

ANTIlSLAM:
Henndtime

Abdooolbuster

Righttchannel

Advoocatejare

Mikeecold

See me see trouble oo, this brother wan invite me to the league of terrorists where I'll be fighting for allah that couldn't fight his own battle and at the end, I will join them in jannah that's full of virgins where allah will be directing porn movies

Abdoolbuster:
The truth is, Muslims don't have problem among themselves with the hadiths whether it is Sahih, hassan or d'aif. Howbeit, they usually run into trouble when people of other faith begin to scrutinize their books then they will start accepting and rejecting Hadiths. The OP talked about Quran contradicting hadith and vice versa with some examples. One AntiChristian said that the hadiths only explain what the Quran did not explicitly explain without any example. With this we can get it that Mr AntiChristian is performing Taqiya
That said, did the hadiths sometimes contradict the Quran, YES
where there are contradictions which should a muslim follow ? The Quran
Is the Quran 100% accurate? This has been a very big headache for scholars. What do I mean? If you accept that the Qur'an is 100 %accurate then there should never be any contradictions in it but we know that this is not the case.
In Surah 19:67, it states that man was created out of nothing. In 15:26, man is created from clay. Since clay is something, we have a contradiction since “nothing” excludes the possibility of “clay.” Both cannot be true.
1. In Surah 19:67, it states that man was created out of nothing. In 15:26, man is created from clay. Since clay is something, we have a contradiction since “nothing” excludes the possibility of “clay.” Both cannot be true.
2. Is there or is there not compulsion in religion according to the Qur’an?
“Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things,” (2:256).
“And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage, – that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith,” (9:3).
“But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful,” (9:5).
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued,” (9:29)

We can see from these two examples out of many that the Qur'an does contradict itself, meanwhile Muslims belive that the Qur'an is a perfectly preserved book in heaven before it was revealed. If it was preserved and perfect then why these contradictions?
Back to the hadiths, whenever a Muslim is boxed into a corner of logical questions he switched to the Quran is our only book by which we should be life. If you asked him about the hadiths he'll say many of them are not authentic therefore should be rejected. Hadiths really exposed Muhammad as a fraud and Muslims have a very serious problem defending him against the exposure in the hadiths.

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