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babajeje123:
You didn't remove his post or threaten to do so because the argument suit your narrative. You were entangled in the brawl otherwise you would have done those.

Oooooh off your 🎤 nah


😂 😂...una no wan make Justwise sleep this night o.

KOVIC19COVID20:
What I know - for a fact (and based on my UK experience) and the experience of thousands of others is that we have amazing stories of how God used the Church as a place of comfort for us when we arrived as newbies in this obodo UK.

For every 1 negative experience that some people may have, I dare say there are thousands (nay, millions) of positive experiences. But guess what? A microscopic few, very vocal minority makes it look like the ‘Church’ is a horrible place. Far from it!


😉😉😉😉😉

God bless you brother!!

jedisco:
Is it the avocado, sesame or cassava farming/production you are planning to invest in? For investments in Nigeria, worth factoring in devaluation.

Baba abeg you get info on any one?


Each day, my passion for Agro keeps growing.

donald197:
Correct! Cedarcrest is good, I assisted in spine surgeries for a year before leaving Nigeria. If you don't want a Nigeria trained spine surgeon, you can request for a UK trained spine surgeon for the procedure if it's an elective surgery . Spine surgeons comes from the UK every 3 months to operate in the hospital.
By the way, I go Sabi you be that

Haha...my chief.

When did you leave sir?

justwise:
lol you see that section in bold? If i'm to get £1 each people say that just because i disagree with them i will be bloody rich by now.

Listen, look for bin anywhere around you and do the needful with respect you have for me before, i couldn't care less.

Tithing is a scam by crooks running those churches and people like you are victims even though you pretend here

The SCAM I Will willingly keep falling for 😂.


Nwanne enjoy PEACE ....

You will stay on this campaign till forever 😁

justwise:
Of course you are lying, are there no Nigerian churches in the UK here taking advantage of Nigerians? How is this not related to the purpose of this thread? Oh yeah! i got it, lets stop talking about the lies about Tithes and offering because it makes some people very uncomfortable.

Wail ..... I will TITHE till I am no more.


The more I engage you , the more I see doubts to the placement I accord you sha.

So rather than lose more of that value, I'd stop here.


The CHURCH will keep marching on and prospering whether you Justwise brings a farthing or not. Know this and know peace nwannem.

If a crazy folk wronged you in church, forgive and forget and stop acting like Paul of Tarsus before he met Jesus.



Enjoy my man!!!

justwise:
Awww! you two are feeling uncomfortable now? I totally understand.

If this topic does not concern you then look away and answer some other questions people asked here.

Man sometimes the way you understand amazes me o. I expect better from you. I am not in any way shying away from topic or feeling uncomfortable in any way.

If you can't understand simple jokes, wahala dey.


The OP threw a very valid point, because Justwise would have shut down or deleted any post that starts to derail original intent of the thread, but as usual because it is a matter concerning Church and Pastors, you are very happy to let it stand.


Admit your fault baba and quit these type of behaviour.



I tire sha

abuhusna1:
You borrowed 5k to pay back 7800 in 5 years and you are happy. Chai interest money as said by islam

1) I didn't say I have borrowed - they only found me worthy of the loan.

2) I am not sure on the exact repayment

3) I invest in a business and in 5 years it has yielded £10,000 and I pay back £7,800 over same period, isn't it a huge win??
Loan £5,000
Interest £2,800
Profit over 5 years £10,000 asides Loan capital and interest.

Solumtoya:
@justwise, If this Tithe and Church argument was done bg some other people, you would have deleted it all and said it was derailing the thread and off-topic.

Please, you guys can create another thread for this and share your thoughts there. It doesn't concern our conversation here.

I agree o. Oya we hereby end this topic 😂

iyatrustee:
Those "if you don't tithe, your life will be tight " messages that some pastors preach nko? All that teaching about the devourer?

Haha.....pheeew...huge sigh ... well.. God doesn't judge like man. Forget about the excesses. Just obey and try to be consistent as much as you can.

I'd tell you my own experience... it wasn't easy when I moved over here. I think I missed 1 or 2 times this year, I didn't die, but I recognised I needed to sort things out with God. He has given me wisdom to manage what I earn and still remain consistent with my Tithes.


My sister... just focus on God and not man.


God is 70% pro mercy than Judgement.


But ...... Trust me.. Tithing is a sacred ordinance, trust God for GRACE to keep on.

Zahra29:
You make some good points about why the tithe is important, as long as it is practised as a law, but as a sacrificial giving to honour God and support the work of His church.

However you also mention the need for private jets and other luxuries. And let's face it, these are luxuries, but are they justifiable when many communities have so little to live on? Furthermore, how many private jets do you see landing in remote forests and villages in Nigeria and beyond, bringing medical supplies, food and the gospel? (Where would they land even?) I might be wrong, but these private jets seem to love to fly to "missions" in comfortable parts of the world, to preach to and delight the converted and collect love offerings afterwards. That's not what the tithe was for - it was to feed the orphans , widows and poor in their midst , not to buy 3 private jets that most of the Church is not able to access.

I often wonder if Jesus were on earth today, would He be flying everywhere by private jet, flanked by bodyguards to prevent the people from coming close, with people shouting "Man of God" from afar only because they are not significant enough for the Master to want to have a personal meeting with them

I admit that a lot of excesses have been practised in the Church.

I also admit that some pastors have not given believers the right perspective to missions.

Trust me, when I say PJ is a tool and not luxury, I know what I am saying. Especially if the ministry is very evangelistic.

Coursing across the globe is no small matter o.. I don't want to blow any man's trumpet, but I know some men who are in 1 crusade or the other every week and have had to miss some because flights were either unavailable or delayed.


Away from the PJ matter, I don't also support the MAN worship. It is actually a cultural thing. We are monarchical in nature. We have taken it into any sphere of leadership, including the church. So people most times want to "adore" their leaders. With success, comes fame and prosperity and they may not have control over some kind of protocols put in place for them.

Personally, I like simplicity.



What would you say if people stampede a popular MOG because he wanted to be simple

Abeg away from TITHE matter... does anyone here do large-scale farming in Nigeria or any African country?

Interest area is Avocado, Sesame , Cassava.

gmacnoms:
You go explain Taya 😁

No evidence.

Jesus says in the last days, many will rise in my name MT 25:5…… My point remains that church or mosque is the last place I’d advice anyone coming to this uk or anywhere sef to seek help.

If I put in the work in studying and acting on the written word, I don’t need to start slaving and daddying or mummying crooks and thieves that pose in the name of Jesus.

When I have time, I’ll tell you several hands on experiences.

Btw, I’m even referring to Nigeria churches and pastors who now focus on materialism and 10keys to success or financial freedom, instead of the true Gospel of Jesus.

I went to church not because I am looking for any miracle money or whatever ever it is , the pastors and clergies are feeding on(yes I need his help and I know it is in his world, which is available to all)but because I reverence him and thank him for all he does and is to me.

The CHURCH is the body of Christ and there is no guarantee that we won't be hurt or meet dubious people of very funny characters.


If your focus is on MAN , you will always be disappointed.


As long as we live on this earth, we will always meet imperfect people and experience imperfect situations, but this doesn't make God's command any less binding.

justwise:
Stay on point, i'm not interested in your long episode.

I ask you again..tell me anywhere in new testerment where Jesus Christ commanded today christains to pay 10% of their monthly income to the Church.

..and bytheway.. this is Matthew 23v23 you keep mentioning

Matthew 23:23
English Standard Version

23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others.''


Where in that verse did Jesus commanded us to pay 10% of monthly?

Chai... my brother. I have told you. You just have an issue with the CHURCH. I can't help you.


I say again...No One has forced you to TITHE and no one will ever notice that your £$€¥ is not reporting to the Church account.


People who TITHE don't complain.

dustydee:
Brother, I think you are mistaken. First, what is tithe? Then what does the bible say about "paying" tithe. Was the instruction to pay tithes made to christians or the Jews? That passage you quoted, Christ was talking to Jews (The Pharisees) not Christians. What about parts of the scriptures that says you should use your tithe to buy alcohol and drink?
You mentioned "essence", if tithing was essential, why did Christ say it was not important?
If you choose tithing as one of the laws to obey, why are you not obeying the other 600+ laws?
I agree that giving is essential and good but why do we use it to build edifices and buy private jets. Christ said "Go ye into the world . . ." not build me palacial places of worship. Since I realised the truth about tithing, I have refrained from "paying" it. I concentrate more on my giving.
It is not recorded that the disciples paid tithe or ordered people to pay tithes.

Mmm....interesting

First of all..Jesus didn't say it wasn't important. He was reprimanding them for paying TITHES yet being evil hearted hypocritical people.

Truth is I can't convince anyone to pay or not to pay TITHES. It is a revelation that dawns on you. Trust me, man by nature is selfish and has more tendency to withhold than to give. Tithing is one such ordinance that helps us constantly show who is Lord of our finances.

While I am against amassing wealth and focusing on self gratification as against advancing the real reason Jesus came, I can also categorically tell you with all boldness that PROSPERITY and WEALTH is one SUCH reasons why JESUS died.

When you really understand missions and are actively involved, you will understand that private Jet is a toy and tool of missions.

Have you had to connect 7 countries in 3 days

Have you ever gone to the interior villages to see how much of the funds go into crusades that also involve medical, social, educational projects?

It will be very hard to convince you if you have not experienced these first-hand.


Who told you we were not asked to build places of worship?? Come on man, check your bible well nah.

Have you ever evaluated the cost of the temple solomon built?? Do the research , you would marvel.

So when we win souls , where do we disciple them??

I don't know sha the church you attend, but I am a product of a very rigorous training system.

We don't just save a man's soul, He must be trained and then deployed. Church is not just about praying and shouting, the man must be developed SPIRIT, SOUL and BODY. So where will these development of his mind and soul happen? In the Bush??...SMH



I am sorry for the models of ministry you guys may have experienced, but trust me...Ministry and Pastoring is a huge task, especially genuine pastoring. And , boy it is costly!!!

justwise:
Mentioning of Tithes and commandement to give are two different things. so i ask you this..

Tell me anywhere in New testerment where Jesus christ commanded today christains to give 10% of their income monthly to the church.

What if I told you that the command in the New Testament isn't even just 10%, but your whole life.

Tithe na beginner stage my brother.

See eh, there's a point you get to in your relationship with God and you eventually understand that your whole life and possessions belong to God.


I think you are still having issues because you think you are giving to Church. You don't see your giving as unto God.

I showed you 2 scriptures, 1 by Jesus and another referencing Jesus by Paul.


Mathew 23:23 Read in NLT version and Hebrews 7:8 also.


The church is the Body of Christ. Whatever we do in Faith is established in heaven.


I can't help your angst towards the CHURCH.


TITHE is for running the Kingdom projects and taking care of God's servants.


Let me ask you.... Has the Church shut down since you stopped TITHING? I assume you did tithe in the past.

People who understand are still TITHING.


AND YES TITHING is RECOGNISED and approved by JESUS.

It is neither an old or a new testament practise.

It is older than Abraham and Moses who are the bedrock of the old testament.

You don't pick 1 and leave the other.


Dear JUSTWISE People that genuinely TITHE do not complain.

justwise:
Yes you are forced to pay Tithes and offering, you are told that you will not make heaven if you don't pay, you are told that you are stealing from God if you ate your Tithes and offering, they falsely use Malachi 3:10 to deceived their members even when they know that Tithes got nothing to do with money and was not even paid monthly when it was practiced in old dispensation.

These Jesus factory owners will use all sorts of means to steal from members and still have the gut to call the name of God

Ok I see your points which are very very valid.


Now let me try to do some explaining and I stand to be corrected and would appreciate any contribution too.


To start with, TITHING precedes Jesus Christ. It was even practised before Abraham came. So it is not a new testament or modern age fabrication. Infact Jesus made a very emphatic statement in Mathew 23:23 NLT translation "“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.

As much as it is a command by God, I will also say that He will not kill Mr A or Mrs B if they default , but there are conditions He has put to the obedience of that COMMAND. Infact, every blessing or promise in scripture has a condition to experience it. Even SALVATION which is FREE is based on the condition of REPENTANCE and BELIEVING in the finished works of CHRIST.

I agree that there are a lot of people who are not true men of God or who are basically interested in material possessions and have made a nonsense of the prosperity message (which is part of the gospel), but we must also not throw away the baby with the bath water.

Whether you will go to HELL for not paying TITHES, I can not guarantee, but what I can say is, if you have chosen to be a Christian, then trust God for GRACE to practise all its essence.

You know when I said that Christianity isn't a RELIGION, my brother misunderstood me .... Let me explain ( and I am sorry if I sounded rude dear brother)... We are supposed to be in a LOVING relationship with God and not a forced fearful union. Christianity is a walk , a fellowship and deep communion with God. If you serve God from the perspective of LOVE and TRUST, then you will also lovingly give without coercion or fear of being punished.

When we give, we give because we want this good news that changed our lives to spread to the ends of the earth. Infact, some of us give more than 10%. You can't love without giving innit? Same way, TITHES and OFFERINGS are expressions of our love to God to support His servants and the work committed to their TRUST.


If you take your focus off Man, and turn that attention on JESUS, you would not need any man to force you to give. Hebrews records that it is even Jesus who collects these TITHES represented by priests on earth.

Hebrews 7:8 Here mortal men receive tithes, but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives. "


Trust me, there are people who are supporting the spread of the gospel with billions which is far more than the value of their TITHES.

If you have been involved in mission work, you would know that funding the gospel is BIG MONEY. A true Christian should not withhold his givings. Let him give as the Lord has prospered him. And one such way is to be a committed TITHER. If the church he pays it to abuses or mismanages it, it is left for God to deal with the erring priests.

One thing I know is that, every man will account to God some day.



Finally, on the issue of whether it was money or not they were asked to tithe, it is simple. They didn't have the equivalents of our currencies today, the priests actually lived off these items they brought to the temple because God asked them not to work or get involved in any other business, but to stay day and night taking care of the temple and all. Today, we have ability to have these goods converted into cash, our services are converted to monetary forms, so it is also reasonable to pay TITHE in monetary form. If you insist on bringing crops and animals as your tithe, then no wahala, it will be sold and converted to money.


There's a lot to say on this TITHING matter but space fails me.



I greet you sir!!!

London City Airport is small actually compared to LHR. He wants to be a major player and attract more reputation and investment too. LHR is the airport of choice .

Kwechiri Mr Allen!!

Treadway:
Na soyou garrit! Homie was so riled up he deleted my post addressing this some mins ago. By Jupiter, I didn't know I had that much power over one...lol

Mark it, this will likely be deleted too in 3,2,1......lol

😂 😂....my brother...we will keep defending the FAITH. He will come around someday.


The question I always ask "what did Church do to you ?
Did anyone force you to pay TITHES or OFFERING or to SOW a SEED?


Why you dey drink paracetamol on top person headache?


Yet, if army man slap you for naija, you go shout sorry sir.....

But Las Las JUSTWISE and Lexusgs430 na my men o...highly cerebral homosapiens.

justwise:
Uncomfortable truth will always sound terrible.

You can deny it as much as you want, there is a reason why the bible say that the judgment will begins in the house of God.

I don tell you say once you hear Church, your blood starts rushing 😂

igbsam:
If i may ask, how much was spent for this surgery? Decompressive Laminectomy i think that's what its called. Same surgery my aunt was asked to do.

Her's was Lumbar decompression though. It wasn't in Cedarcrest though. Spent about 1.5M

justwise:
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The biggest problem, take out religion there will be peace and less corruption.

Churches in Nigeria is a crime scene.

Smh... this is very terrible of you sir.

Enjoy the moment!

igbsam:
I have a friend with similar situation. His wait time though is 9 months. This is crazy..she is considering going back to naija or check to see if she can go to any EU country but doesn't know how that works. Also, an aunt of mine back in nigeria needs spine surgery and knee replacement surgery, does anyone here have a knowledge on how one can get it done in either india or any reputable EU country that can give her a medical visa to get it done. Edakun!

Go to Cedarcrest Abuja. I worked there for 2 years and some of my Team members are still there. Save that travel money and get great care too. Make we dey believe naija too nah bikonu. My mum had her spine surgery multilevel decompression in Enugu sef. I didn't want her to go all the way to Abuja. We have great hands back home too.

Lexusgs430:
Time to declare surplus........ Make we go do Dorime .......🎉😂

I bind you 😂


I dey find business to use am do First.

Repayment na roughly £130 or so monthly

Lexusgs430:
Unfortunately, you would have to break all the other innocent eggs, to find out ......🤣

Go oway

Lexusgs430:
MTN or EE .......😁

😂 😂.... na Lebara I dey use o.


Baba you abandon me o


First direct approved £5K loan for 5yrs for me o

gmacnoms:
So when you fill forms, what do you put in “religion”

This is one line I see to know a naive sheep that doesn’t care to see or also know what/where the shepherd gets his directions from.

You reek of pride.... apologies sir.

No point explaining anything to you.

Enjoy!


Regards to your fellow wicked congregants 😂

Lexusgs430:
This is why the Nigerian government, left our health sector in a state of coma........ 🤣😂

Bro...... the truth is many people are still sane because of the words of comfort and faith, and fellowship they enjoy with brethren in Church.

Many hospitals and schools are church funded.

Give us some credit o

koonbey:


Honestly don't understand how someone will say he is a Christian, wake up in the morning on Sunday, go to church and declare that he has arrived in a gathering of wicked people.

It's either something is wrong with the church (which would raise the question of why you are there) or something is wrong with the person. Or both sha.

The matter tie wrapper.


People forget to understand that Church is not a building and people are at different stages of growth and walk with God. They generalize 1 experience and tag the church.

Same people will not also remember to announce the goodwill they have experienced from "church people".


As cowardly as this ideology is, they lack the nerves to point a finger at our cousins who won't hesitate to sever their heads from their necks at the slightest provocation.

Person wey dey call his fellow believers or church members wicked people hasn't met Christ. He is just a blind religious fellow who thinks he is better than everyone else.

1 bad egg doesn't mean the whole crate is bad.


Religion is different from Christianity.

A deeper relationship and walk with God is the main thing o.

Lexusgs430:
Praise the lord .......

How can a MOG be seeking his members to donate to his enterprise......₦1,000,000,000,000 or ₦100,000,000...... No be juju be dat .......🤣😂

The zero's dey give me vertigo........😁🤣

But he no force you nah... did he?

gmacnoms:
Crooks and wicked people na full there. Whatever Dey do is a bait. It’s not with free mind. They hope to benefit from you in the long run. They only care about themselve and what the community will benefit from you

Not all, but most times.

I was in church today, and I said “I don come the gathering of wicked people”.

It was made as joke to my wife, but it is, what it is.

I assume you also considered yourself as 1 equally wicked person?


Make una dey calm down with this hate for Church.


☺

Lexusgs430:
God did not offend me..... it's those human beings, using God to take advantage of the poor sheep....🐑🐏🐏🐏🤣😂

😂...oya sorry nah. Church is like hospital. Not everyone is healthy, so we admit all manner of people until they conform to the image of Jesus Christ our saviour. It is a consistent journey. Please no vex for us. My life would have been a mess if I didn't meet Jesus and develop a wall with Him by the kind of Church I attend.

Try us again nah