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MightySparrow:I really don't know how or why the topic deviated from salvation to slavery. But here is my answer to the original question. I hope this debate will be treated respectfully without attacking the opponent. In Islam, the concept of salvation (najāt / النجاة) is rooted in the Oneness of God (tawḥīd), following His guidance, and striving to live a life in accordance with the Qur’an and the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ. Here’s a breakdown of the Islamic view: 1. Foundation of Salvation Belief in Allah alone: Affirming pure monotheism (tawḥīd), rejecting shirk (associating partners with Allah). Belief in the Prophet ﷺ: Accepting Muhammad as the final Messenger. Following the Qur’an & Sunnah: Guidance for correct belief, worship, and behavior. This is summarized in the Shahāda: > “There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is His Messenger.” Without tawḥīd, no other deed brings salvation. 2. Faith (Īmān) and Actions Islam teaches that both faith and righteous deeds are required: Īmān: Belief in Allah, angels, scriptures, messengers, the Last Day, and Divine decree. ʿAmal (good deeds): Prayer, fasting, charity, pilgrimage, honesty, justice, kindness, etc. However, deeds alone do not guarantee Paradise — salvation is ultimately by Allah’s mercy. The Prophet ﷺ said: > “None of you will enter Paradise by his deeds alone… but only by Allah’s mercy.” (Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim) So deeds are necessary, but they are a means to earn Allah’s mercy. 3. Major Sins and Forgiveness If one dies upon tawḥīd (believing in Allah alone), they are not condemned eternally to Hell, even if they committed sins. Major sins may lead to punishment in Hell temporarily, unless Allah forgives. Eventually, every believer will enter Paradise. Islam rejects the idea of absolute eternal damnation for Muslims who sinned, as long as they did not commit shirk or reject faith. 4. Repentance (Tawbah) Salvation is strongly tied to repentance. Allah says: “Indeed Allah loves those who repent.” (Qur’an 2:222) No matter how great the sin, sincere repentance wipes it away. 5. Intercession (Shafāʿah) Prophet Muhammad ﷺ will intercede on the Day of Judgment for his followers. The righteous, angels, and even children who died young may also intercede with Allah’s permission. But ultimate authority is with Allah alone. 6. Final Salvation Those who believed, repented, and followed Islam sincerely will be saved. Hypocrites (who outwardly claimed faith but inwardly disbelieved) and those who rejected Islam knowingly will not be saved. Allah says: > “Indeed, those who have believed and done righteous deeds — they will have the Gardens of Paradise as a lodging.” (Qur’an 18:107) In summary Salvation in Islam comes from: 1. Tawḥīd (pure monotheism). 2. Belief in the pillars of faith. 3. Righteous deeds and avoiding sins. 4. Sincere repentance when falling short. 5. Allah’s mercy and forgiveness — the ultimate key to Paradise. Let me answer subsequent questions one by one from the Islamic perspective: 1. What are you saved from? You are saved from: Hellfire (Jahannam) and Allah’s punishment. The consequences of disbelief (kufr) and shirk (associating partners with Allah). Eternal separation from Allah’s mercy. 2. What are you saved into? You are saved into: Paradise (Jannah) — eternal reward of peace, joy, and closeness to Allah. The pleasure and forgiveness of Allah. Everlasting life with no pain, fear, or sorrow. 3. Can Muslims know if they are saved? In Islam, absolute certainty of salvation is not claimed while alive. A Muslim lives between hope and fear: Hope in Allah’s mercy. Fear of His justice. The Qur’an warns against both arrogance (assuming guaranteed salvation) and despair (thinking Allah won’t forgive). So Muslims say: “If Allah wills, He will forgive me and grant me Paradise.” 4. Did Muhammad ﷺ need salvation? Yes, in the sense that every human being is dependent on Allah’s mercy and forgiveness. Prophets are the most pious and closest to Allah, but they are still servants of God, not divine. The Prophet ﷺ used to make duʿā (supplication): > “O Allah, forgive me my past and future sins, what I have done in secret and in open.” (Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim) This shows humility before Allah, even though he was divinely protected from major sins. 5. Was Muhammad ﷺ saved? Yes — Muslims believe the Prophet ﷺ is guaranteed Paradise. Allah says: > “That Allah may forgive you your past and future sins.” (Qur’an 48:2) Multiple hadith affirm that the Prophet ﷺ will be the first to enter Paradise and will intercede for his followers. 6a. What was Muhammad ﷺ saved from if he received salvation? From Hellfire and Allah’s punishment. From the consequences of sin (though prophets are protected from major sins, they still seek forgiveness for human shortcomings). From the fate of disbelievers. 6b. What was Muhammad ﷺ saved into? Into Allah’s forgiveness, mercy, and the highest station in Paradise (al-Wasīlah). Into the role of being an intercessor for his Ummah on the Day of Judgment. 7. Did Muhammad ﷺ have the assurance of salvation? Yes — unlike ordinary Muslims, he was given divine assurance. The Qur’an itself states Allah forgave him and promised him the highest rank (48:2, 93:6–7). He also said: > “I am the master of the children of Adam on the Day of Resurrection, and I do not boast.” (Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim) So while Muslims do not claim certainty for themselves, they believe with certainty that the Prophet ﷺ is saved and will lead the saved ones. Summary ( Islam): 1. Muslims are saved from Hellfire and disbelief. 2. Muslims are saved into Paradise and Allah’s mercy. 3. Ordinary Muslims do not know for sure — they live with hope and fear. 4. Prophet Muhammad ﷺ also relied on Allah’s mercy but was given certainty of salvation by revelation. |
sonmvayina:It seems someone is really confused here. You say its Joshua now and later you say Jesus. Make up your mind brethren. Anyway, That’s a really insightful question 👍. Yes — some Christian (and Jewish) interpreters say the “prophet like Moses” in Deuteronomy 18:18 was Joshua, Moses’ immediate successor. Here’s why they argue that: Reasons Some Say the Prophet = Joshua 1. Immediate Context in Deuteronomy In Deuteronomy 18, Moses is preparing the people for leadership after his death. God promises to raise a prophet “from among their brethren.” Right after Moses dies (Deut. 34:9), we read: > “Now Joshua son of Nun was filled with the spirit of wisdom because Moses had laid his hands on him. So the Israelites listened to him and did what the Lord had commanded Moses.” This makes Joshua look like the immediate fulfillment. 2. Joshua as Moses’ Successor Joshua literally continued Moses’ mission → leading Israel into the Promised Land. He was a prophet in the sense of being God’s spokesman and leader. 3. Jewish Tradition Why Most Christians Don’t Stop at Joshua Joshua was not “like Moses” in every way: He didn’t give a new law. He didn’t speak with God “face to face” like Moses. He was more of a military leader than a prophet of revelation. Acts 3:22 (New Testament) directly applies Deut. 18:18 to Jesus, not Joshua. Therefore, Christians usually see Joshua as a partial or immediate fulfillment, but Jesus as the ultimate fulfillment. Summary: Some Christians (and Jews) say the prophet is Joshua because the text right after Moses’ death highlights Joshua as the chosen successor. But mainstream Christianity argues Joshua was too limited to match the description “like Moses,” so the verse points beyond Joshua to Jesus. Now to answer your principal and students' reference about: Who should expect the new principal? The students in the assembly hall that heard the principal speak in 2023 Or the students that will be enrolled in the year 2900? Good question 👌 — let’s work it out historically. Step 1: Approximate time of Moses’ death The Exodus is debated, but many biblical scholars place it around 13th–15th century BC. If we take the common scholarly view: Moses’ death = around 1400 BC (15th century BC) or Alternative conservative view = around 1200 BC (13th century BC). Step 2: Approximate time of Jesus’ birth Jesus was born a little before Herod the Great’s death (4 BC). Most scholars date Jesus’ birth around 6–4 BC. Step 3: Calculate the gap If Moses died around 1400 BC → Jesus born ~4 BC, that’s about 1,396 years. If Moses died around 1200 BC → Jesus born ~4 BC, that’s about 1,196 years. So the time between Moses’ death and Jesus’ birth is roughly 1,200–1,400 years. Lets also calculate the gap between Moses’ death and Muhammad’s birth (570 AD) so we can compare both timelines? Here you go: If Moses died ~1400 BC → to 570 AD (Muhammad’s birth) is about 1,969 years. If Moses died ~1200 BC → to 570 AD is about 1,769 years. So both Jesus and Muhammad came at least after a thousand years after the death of Moses. I will let you decide if its the 2023 students or 2900 students because I've been spoon feeding you all the while. Take this as a hint: In case you want to debate or defend your opinion, always remember these: “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” “To attack the person instead of the argument is to confess the weakness of your own position.” “Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong.” So in essence Going after me doesn’t prove your point and Attacking me doesn’t make you right. If your argument had weight, you wouldn’t need to throw punches. We can both hold on to our religious beliefs and live peacefully and happily with one another. Remember: Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by understanding. An eye for an eye will only make the whole world blind. |
God! You really need to study your bible. Jesus himself was a Jew, and he said in the new testament; Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. The New International Version translates the passage as: He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." ANALYSIS : Jesus states here that he was sent, literally that He is not an Apostle for the Gentiles but for Jews, in accord with the prediction of the prophets. This was done so there would be no pretext for the Jews rejecting Him as the promised Messiah (see Rom. 15:8, 9). If he was specifically sent to the jews, how can you say the gospel has nothing to do with the Jews? Jesus primary assignment was to guide the Jews. Jesus himself was a Jew, He did live and die under the Law of Moses. He was “born under the law,” and had to perfectly keep it until all was fulfilled. He was circumcised the eighth day, kept the Sabbath, celebrated the feasts, offered sacrifices and ate only the food allowed under the Law. He was preaching to the Jews while they were still under the Law. In His earthly ministry, He taught “till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.” (Mt. 5:18-19). The Old covenant was absolute and nothing could be set aside. Jesus was a Jew born under the Law to guide his people who are of course Jews. Please study your book well before posting things about it. Its heartbreaking! |
In the Book of Deuteronomy, Moses relays what God told him, “I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee (Moses), and will put My words in his mouth; and will speak unto them all that I shall command him.” First, note the phrase ‘from among their brethren’. THE PROHETIC LINK AS THE BRETHREN OF THE ISRAELITES Ishmael and Isaac were both brothers and they were the children of Prophet Abraham. When Prophet Moses, may peace and blessings be upon him, was quoting God as promising to send a prophet like Moses the verse says ‘from among their brethren’. Who are the brethren of the Israelites? They are, simply, the Ishmaelites. This is a clear and straightforward indication that the prophet who is going to be ‘like unto Moses’ from the brethren of the Israelites is Prophet Muhammad, may peace and blessing be upon him. In fact, the Hebrew dictionary of the Bible defines brethren, as used in the biblical sense, in the following terms: it says it is the personification of a group of tribes who were regarded as near kinsmen to the Israelites. There is no nearer kinsmen tribe to the Israelites other than the Ishmaelites because they are their brethren- descendents of the brother of Isaac. It is consistent. MOSES AND MUHAMMAD: "LIKE UNTO THEE" Perhaps one crucial phrase that is used in the verse is when it says “from among their brethren, like unto thee.” (Duet 18:18) God is saying that He will raise up a prophet that is similar to Moses. This is significant because the only great prophets, who came after Moses, were Jesus and Muhammad. However, it does not apply to Jesus because he is not really from the brethren of the Israelites. He is himself an Israelite. Also When God talk about the Prophet like Moses that He will raise in Deutronomy 18:18, He was not talking about the Prophet of the Israelites. We know this because He told us in Deutronomy 34:10 that Moses was the greatest and there will not be any more one like him from the Israelites. A PROHET LIKE MOSES: Comparing Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad in Prophecy There are similarities between Moses and Jesus in the sense that they were both Jews and they were both prophets. They both had profound miracles; during their time the rulers had ordered the killing of all male children and so on. But again that contradicts the term ‘brethren’ that has already been explained. Even then, we find that when taken for the sake of argument that Jesus is a possible candidate for this prophecy, you’ll find that there are a great deal more similarities between Prophets Moses and Muhammad than the similarities between prophets Moses and Jesus, may peace and blessings be upon them all. First of all, Moses was regarded as a Prophet and Muhammad was also regarded as a Prophet while Jesus (at least by Christians) was regarded as the Son of God. This point, alone, precludes Jesus. Because the prophecy is about a prophet like unto Moses. When Jesus is regarded as God incarnate, or the Son of God then that precludes him; at least this specific prophecy doesn’t apply to him. Like I mentioned, there are other prophecies that apply to Jesus but not this one. BIRTH In terms of parents, Moses had a normal mother and father and so did Muhammad. Jesus, however, was born only from a mother. In terms of birth, the birth of Moses was normal so was Muhammad’s where as Jesus’ birth was a virgin birth according to both the Muslim and Christian faiths. Both Moses and Muhammad were raised outside their natural family. Jesus was raised by his mother. FAMILY LIFE Moses married and had children so did Muhammad but it’s quite unlikely with Jesus. As far as we know, there are no records of him marrying or having any children Comparison of Death, Mission, Leadership, and Career Age at prohethood: After returning back from Midian to Egypt , Moses received the prophethood on mountain Sinai at 40 years old. Muhammad received prophethood in cave of Hiraa' at 40 years old. Jesus received prophethood starting from his birth. In terms of death, Moses and Muhammad both had natural deaths from natural causes; the death of Jesus (according to the Christian faith) was a violent death- nailed to the cross. In terms of the emphasis on his mission, we find that Moses’ mission was both spiritual and legal; he brought about a law. So did Muhammad. Jesus’ mission, on the other hand, was spiritual. Actually, he said ‘Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill’ (Mathew 5:17). Jesus was fulfilling the law of Moses. Regarding acceptance of leadership: Moses’ leadership was, for the most part, accepted by his people. They may have given him a hard time but his leadership was accepted during his lifetime. The same is true for Muhammad. Whereas Jesus himself complained that his leadership was not accepted, but was resisted, by the very people he was sent to- the Israelites. He mentions this often. In terms of career, we find that Moses had a career both as a prophet and as a governor/ ruler to implement the divine law. Such is the same for Muhammad. In the case of Jesus, his career did not include that authority. Comparing Victories In terms of battles and encounters with enemies: We find that Moses did encounter his enemies, the Egyptians and they were drowned- he had victory over them. Muhammad did encounter the pagans that tried to destroy him and his followers and he had victory over them in the battlefield. No such event occurs, in terms of physical combat, in the case of Prophet Jesus may peace and blessings be upon him. In terms of the mission: [/b]We find that the mission of Prophet Moses was completed in a sense that he not only succeeded in his preaching, but also established a new order following those commandments. The same thing is applicable to Muhammad. Before his death, there was already an Islamic community that was victorious over its enemies. In the case of Jesus, we find the opposite is true. The persecution of Christians persisted for many years to come and not until the year 325, when Constantine was said to have embraced Christianity, did the pressures on Christians begin to lighten. These points are not the only ones. Another striking similarity is that Moses left Egypt, his birthplace at a time when there was a conspiracy to kill him and he went to Median, to Prophet Jethro. Muhammad, also, left his birthplace, Mecca, on the same night he was to be assassinated and fled to Medina. [b] "PUT MY WORDS IN HIS MOUTH" The way the revelation came to Prophet Muhammad was that Angel Gabriel would come to him and dictate to him and then Muhammad would simply recites what was said to him. In other words, Muhammad was not the author of the Qur’an, as many people make this mistake. He is not the author of it, he did not create it, and he was not even using his own intellect and knowledge when he recited the Qur’an. He was simply repeating what Gabriel was saying. This is not a hidden secret. It continued for 23 years in the presence of hundreds of followers and that the Qur’an was committed directly to memory in his presence as well as in writing. What could be a more beautiful explanation of the phrase ‘put My words in his mouth’? That God was putting the words in the mouth of Prophet Muhammad; that he was repeating what was exactly dictated to him. Unlocking the Significance This is an interesting point because one of the signs of that foretold prophet is that he will speak in the name of God. That term has been repeated twice in verses 19 and 20. Now, this is an extremely interesting point to comment on for those who are not familiar with the Qur’an. The Qur’an contains 114 chapters called surahs. 113 of these surahs start with “Bismi Allah Al Rahman Al Raheem” which translates to “In the name of God the Beneficent, the merciful.” Virtually every chapter in the Qur’an starts with in the name of God. That’s quite interesting because the prophecy says that he will speak in the name of God, not the authorship of Muhammad that he’s presenting this in the name of God but because God revealed that to him. |
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