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PoliticsRe: Lagos Stopped Being A Yoruba Land In 1861; How It Became No - Man's - Land by Sarcastic101(op): 2:47pm On Jul 11, 2024
confusedlady:
😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 🤣 Lol....
You were being honest and historical until you got to the bolded,then your DNA kicked in......
what's dishonest in the bolded?
PoliticsRe: Lagos Stopped Being A Yoruba Land In 1861; How It Became No - Man's - Land by Sarcastic101(op): 2:26pm On Jul 11, 2024
Remman:
I'm an Ikwerre man and i know what it means for people to want to claim your land from you. I believe that Lagos is Yoruba land. I mean, it's clearly so. The people saying otherwise are just trying to be funny like the Biafrans claiming Ikwerre land.
There's nothing like an ikwerre man. Ikwerre isn't a tribe but a land just like Onitsha or asaba.
You're simply an Igbo man.

You speak Igbo and not ikwerre
PoliticsLagos Stopped Being A Yoruba Land In 1861; How It Became No - Man's - Land by Sarcastic101(op): 2:14pm On Jul 11, 2024
Lagos which was once known as Eko ceased from being a Yoruba land in 1861.
The name Lagos was given to the land by the Portuguese in the 15th century and it means lakes,or lagoons the name seemed fit for the place because Lagos is surrounded by water.

When the British came to Lagos in the 1800s there was some problems in the land one of which was that the ruler then,Oba Oluwole had died and his vacant throne was battled for by two powerful men,akintoye and kosoko.

Akintoye won this battle and became the Oba of Lagos but after a short time he was overthrowned by Kosoko, akintoye went into exile in badagry where he met British missionaries who were new in the land,he told them his story and pleaded for assistance from them so they called on the British consul,Beecroft to help akintoye with the British military to take back his throne.

Beecroft invaded Lagos with the British navy and subdued the land forcing Oba Kosoko to run away into exile, stating reasons that the Lagos King was still participating in the abolished slave trade.

When they defeated Oba Kosoko, they reinstalled Akintoye as the new Oba and signed a treaty with him to allow them (the British) to be free and protected in the land as they went about their buisness.

Oba Akintoye unlike Oba Kosoko was weak and agreeable to the British and this made them so powerful in Lagos.

In 1853,Oba Akintoye died and the British installed his son Dosunmu as the new Oba.

Oba Dosunmu was as weak as his father Akintoye and wasn't able to completely stop slave trade among the people and so many problems erupted in the land which he couldn't control,the British realized that he was too weak and when they Heard that the french had made contact with the Oba of Lagos they decided to take over Lagos out of fear of the french.

Then,they made Oba Dosunmu to sign a treaty that Britain now owned Lagos and the British crown be recognized as the supreme one in Lagos displacing the Obas crown.

Dosunmu signed the treaty in 1861 and from then onwards Lagos became a colony of Britain and ceased to be Yoruba land but a British land.

Before the British left in 1960, so many Nigerians had migrated to Lagos from other states that Yoruba couldn't even be understood by all lagosians anymore.

There were too many Igbos, Hausa,and calabars living in Lagos and doing buisness freely that the Yorubas lost dominance over Lagos and the issue has worsened for them since then till this day.

A walk in any street of Lagos today lets you know that it's now a multicultural state and not more a Yoruba land anymore.

They've lost so much power and are still losing power over the land that all have realized that they can't regain the land anymore and that is why we call it no man's land today.

Because no tribe owns it anymore.
PoliticsThe Reason Tinubu Is Our President. by Sarcastic101(op): 4:12pm On Jul 10, 2024
Nobody actually loves Tinubu for anything, with his criminal record and mediocre achievements in his tenure as governor of Lagos he isn't loved or believed in but he was chosen because of the hate some people have for the Igbo tribe as a whole, it's undeniable that the ogbos have been a victim of tribal discrimination as far back as colonial times,the British favored the Hausas and the Yorubas over the Igbos because they we're easier to control due to the fact that in their lands their were rulers who lorded over the locals and was worshipped by them,the British used the rulers of the lands to easily control the people but this wasn't possible in the case of the Igbos,in Igbo culture and land,men don't bow to mortals or let them dictate their lives,the rulers and kings in Igbo lands didn't have much power over the people and the British couldn't control them easily because the hierarchy of power in Igbo lands is very confusing to them.

Because of this the British left power in the hands of the northeners whom they perceived to be the most controllable, note that they had no intention of losing power over us they still wanted to be in control even after giving us the independence.
They knew that the Igbo man posed a problem and would be an obstacle to them.


It's undeniable that Igbos don't behave like other tribes in Nigeria, there is an intellectual aggressiveness they possess and an awareness of what is rightfully theirs - you can't cheat an Igbo man and the British knew this.

Notice how the first president of this country was an Igbo man and understand how informed, courageous and intelligent he was to discuss his way into obtaining that position from the British,the other tribe were installed as military personnels by the British but not the Igbos .



This behavior of ours is what led us to want to secces from the country which resulted in a civil war in which Nigeria and the world fought us against - I won't go into details about the war.


Our fighting spirit and determination to succeed and dominate had earned us so much hate among other tribes in the country especially the Yorubas.

They've said many times that we won't be aloud to rule the country ever.

They fear Igbos more than they hate them because they know that Igbos aren't docile like most of them but they're so hard working and they'd dominate any land they set foot in because of this so they don't trust Igbos with power out of fear that they'd take over the country.

This is where the hate for Peter obi comes from,he is rejected out of fear of his tribe,if he was from the north or south south he'd be ruling is by now but he's Igbo.

There's absolutely no reason to not support obi. None other than tribal sentiments.

These people would rather elect an animal than let an Igbo man rule them so it's not the love for Tinubu or APC that made him president but the hate for Peter obi and Igbos..

Only the Igbos can change this country, the destiny of Nigeria and Africa lies in the hands of an Igbo man.

Even the British knows this.
RomanceWhy Body Count Matters by Sarcastic101(op): 6:19pm On Sep 29, 2022
The issue of body count is something that is very important for a lot of people when it comes to choosing a partner, however a lot of people like to think that this shouldn't bother anyone,the think that such thought should be outdated,most of these people are not religious or traditional therefore the reasons I'd be giving would be void of religious concerns or popular societal values.this post is directed to these modern people who aren't affiliated with thoughts that hinders sexual liberation.
[color=#990000][/color]MY THESIS IS THAT HIGH BODY COUNT ISN'T GOOD AND LOW BODY COUNT IS BETTER
My reasons for this claim is as follows:

*Sexually transmitted diseases[left][/left]: people who sleep around are more likely to have STDs than those who don't, having relationships with these people (relationships involving sex eg marriage) can make you an STD carrier,this would cost you your time, money, comfort or even your life.


*Sexual incompatibility: sexual compatibility can only be achieved if both partners satisfy each other, and why people with high body count are most likely sexually incompatible can be explained by this illustration:

Let's say a woman of 25 yrs has twelve bodies, assuming she became sexually active at 16,she has slept with 12 men in 9years, assuming she at 25, now sleeps with only 2 out of those men, there's only three things that would have made her stop seeing the other ten men,

1)A change in her geographical location:if this is the reason,then none of the men find her worthy (sexually) enough that they'd not bother seeing her again,and she also reflect that behaviour towards them.

2)A habit of jumping from one bed to another: this would show that she is promiscuous,
Unless for a polyamourous relationship,
Promiscuity would destroy every romantic relationship
3)Sexual incompatibility with those men:
This is the central one,let's say ; she's only satisfied by one out the two men she currently sees, and could satisfy just those two men,
This means she can sexually satisfy only 2 out of 12 men,
And can be satisfied by just one out 12 men,
The question is
How sure are you that you are among the two out of 12 that she'd be able to satisfy?
** And how sure are you that you're the one man out of 12 that can satisfy her sexually?



*Relationship problems caused by promiscuity: dating or marrying (both of these relationships require sexual loyalty) such person might be disastrous as the habit of sleeping around would make them more likely to cheat



*Family disorder:it's always BETTER for all you and your partners children to come from just the both of you, and not having kids here and there , that would do you no good

*Negative social image: because sex is important to the society and seen as something valuable, anyone who behaves in ways that makes it look invaluable isn't always seen in a positive light.




*PROPOSED ADVANTAGES OF HIGH BODY COUNT:some people like to think that a high Body count makes You more experienced in bed, although it can but not always, they're are people who are promiscuous but aren't good in bed,

And also sexual needs is common among humans but the way we satisfy them differs, what some one likes in bed can be slightly or very different to what someone else likes, just like everyone hungers for food but our favourite meals are different so is sex,so sexual experience does little or nothing to satisfy someone new, you can only satisfy someone by spending time with them and communicating sexual needs with each other until you develop a methods that works for both of you..

So always endeavour to avoid those with high body count not because they're bad or whatever,but because it's BETTER to avoid people with problems than stick with them
RomanceRe: Is It Ever Okay For A Girl To Be Moaning At Her In-laws Place During Visiting by Sarcastic101: 9:27pm On Feb 26, 2022
When they have the spirit of cow,they'd manifest anywhere
Christianity EtcRe: Atheism: A Religion With No God by Sarcastic101: 8:44pm On Feb 26, 2022
MrBrownJay1:
yes FREEDOM of masturbation
FREEDOM of doing WHAT i desire, WHEN i desire.
FREEDOM to use my brain the way i see fit
FREEDOM to choose my own path in life
FREEDOM to do what i desire with my salary
but most importantly: FREEDOM TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS NO INVISIBLE GOD IN THE SKY!



FREEDOM...



a dumbaaass will remain a dumbaaass whether you show them or tell them...the above reply shows exactly how a dumbaass you are. just because it isnt my money you give to these fraudsters/charlatans in robe DOESNT CHANGE THE FACT THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE FRAUDSTER AND CHARLATANS (and you are the mark) taking your money to go buy Rolls Royce and private jets, while your deluded self cant even afford a sandwich!



do you actually believe that my aim is for you to stop giving your money away to charlatans?!?!?! bwaaaaaaah! my aim is to show that you people are brainless donkeys, and whether it is a fraudster in robe or a 419 scam, you mumus will always fail in life because you dont have the brain capacity to avoid it. the world needs yeye people like you guys in order for the small few fraudsters/charlatans to succeed.
your pastor/charlatan/guru is not better than hushpuppy...



i gotta a brain, i gotta a good job, i gotta a great family setup, i DONT need to pray for miracles in my life, thats "your" miserable self... anyone who thinks that anything else tha HARDWORK will give them a better life, is just as deluded as you miserable xtian praying every sundays for miracles while being defrauded by some charlatans in robe. you have more luck playing the lottery than getting anything of your deluded prayers answered! the mere fact that you think that a prayer can solve your miserable life, shows how mentally deranged you lots are.



as i said, the world needs donkeys like you people so that the few hushpuppies of this wolrd can get rich....keep dreaming for miracles in the sky instead of going to create your own miracles with HARDWORK and DEDICATION.
When I read this epistle of your I understood what the bible said in
Psalms 14:1
Your own foolishness is irredeemable
Foreign AffairsRe: Facebook Bans Russia State Media From Running Adverts, Monetising by Sarcastic101: 5:48pm On Feb 26, 2022
FERNANDEZISBACK:
Atheism is the lack of belief in no God nonsense you get?
No one is an evangelist..not until you brainwashed Religious things stop spreading your tale then I will always counter as I said earlier..you can't be spreading misinformation without proper atheist..

You can cry as much as you want it won't change the fact that your imaginary creature doesn't exist..
Yeah athiesm is the lack of belief in God which requires it's believers to disturb those who believe in God,
How would you call what I'm spreading misinformation when you can't even prove that God doesn't exist,?
Fool
When you see God killing worthless fools like you it's because he has looked deep into you soul and have seen that your empty, useless and live for nothing (other than encouraging men to plunge Thier joysticks into Thier brothers anuses?),
Each time you reaffirm that God doesn't exist he concludes that you don't exist to him,
Even the stones have more worth than you in his sight,
Your life is useless and meaningless and purposeless without God,
You can't give essence to anyone in the need of it,you'd only tell them to be gay or lesbian,
So you shouldn't be saying that God doesn't exist,you should be saying that you don't exist, because in the grand scheme of things,you really don't
Foreign AffairsRe: Facebook Bans Russia State Media From Running Adverts, Monetising by Sarcastic101: 5:33pm On Feb 26, 2022
FERNANDEZISBACK:
Nah boy you can't keep shoving your nonsense to everyone and not expect me to counter it..
Why not stop spamming everywhere with nonsense then I could consider what you said about him..
our belief requires us to spread it,
Does your belief requires the same?
Aren't you supposed to be enjoying life since there's no "imaginary creature" up there watching you?
Why do you want to be an evangelist for athiesm?
Or is the emptiness in your worldview so pronounced and meaningless that you dedicated your time arguing someone who has a good faith and hope in something worthwhile?
I discovered recently that these new athiests have more time for God than we Christians
Pathetic and hopeless fools
Foreign AffairsRe: Facebook Bans Russia State Media From Running Adverts, Monetising by Sarcastic101: 5:21pm On Feb 26, 2022
FERNANDEZISBACK:
Well that doesn't change the fact..he has no issue here cos he's not just here..you get?
when I see an athiest like you attacking every believer who professes his faith it reminds me of the insecurity nyou have about your own worldview,if you're free from religion allow others to be free with religion and stop being evangelical with your athiesm,
If you're non religious act as such,
Don't be religious about athiesm
It makes the righteous (myself and a few) laugh so hard at you
RomanceRe: Feminist Please Gather Here, I Have A Question. by Sarcastic101: 5:12pm On Feb 26, 2022
pocohantas:
The same way you people desire to be equal to WHITE MEN after they WILLINGLY gave you independence. If they decide to colonize us again, you and your father would sell yourselves for ordinary mirror and glass cup like you did in 1802!!!

Sit down and be humble. grin grin
Each time you attribute development or civilisation to the Whiteman it makes you look,much more dumber,the earliest civilisation came about by the effort of the black man,the only reason that we didn't go deep into industrialisation was because Africa has always been the most favorable place for humans to live, Europeans created Thier machines and everything because it was a necessity not because they were wiser,you can't stay bare chested and enjoy the fresh air in Russia,you'd freeze from Thier harsh climate,the black man didn't need to invent machines to cope with life as life was favourable ,this was the opposite for the white man
Educate yourself before you let this rubbish dribble down your mouth next time
RomanceRe: Feminist Please Gather Here, I Have A Question. by Sarcastic101: 5:00pm On Feb 26, 2022
pocohantas:
White men, which I am sure you and your father are not. Send your mother to go fight na. Onye ara! grin grin




So? Is 18 not the age of adulthood?

You mean can’t even wait for girls to be 18 before ravaging their vaginas. Why then is an 18yrs old boy not an ADULT?

Taking every what? C’mon go outside and fight your fellow men. Nonsense and equality.




Good. So y’all fellow hairy balls should go fight and get killed. What is the argument for? Go to war, die and we we would submit to the men that survive. grin grin
cowards,
This would remain very useful to throw away any useless vagina bearer who thinks she can talk just because we sent her to school, from today I will never take any issue on feminism serious,and I have this as a justification,
Feminists are naggers (a feminine trait)and should be paid no attention.
Talk all that nonsense only to run into the cave at the sight of trouble
We couldn't even see a female leader say anything
Empty barrels
Let me hear any menstruating creature say the word "equality"after this war





Women are useless beingsthat's why God didn't even think of creating them in the first place.
Christianity EtcRe: Atheism: A Religion With No God by Sarcastic101: 4:47pm On Feb 26, 2022
MrBrownJay1:
never ever given my money to some BS cult, hoping for miracles.... thats "your" life, not mine!



living large you say?!?!? all the deluded bastards desperately asking for miracles every sunday are living large i guess, bwaaaaaaaah! the only one of you mumus living large is the fraudster in robe who buys RR and private jets with YOUR money, duh! the rest of you lot are living in poverty (financial/mental)


FREEDOM
freedom!!!
Freedom of what exactly??,
Oh you mean freedom of masturbation,
What freedom do you have that I don't?
What can you do or achieve that I can't?
Huh,
How many times have those giving Thier money to the church begged you for money?
Is it your father's money they're giving to the church?
Aren't you suprised that they're still giving to the church despite all you athiests say?,
They're giving because they're getting back ,
God is actively blessing people every day,
Are you capable of giving them what they're looking for in church?
Athiesm is a religion that urges it's followers to be religious about non religion
Religious athiest, fanatical athiest
If athiesm can't make you rich,happy,better,fulfilled,blessed,and give you a better place after hereafter.
Then all athiest are foolish stupes,who deny the obvious to satisfy Thier filthy desires, you're a piece of trash as you athiest can't better a life,but my Christianity can better lives and has been doing so...
Do you know where my God dumps trashes like you?,in his fireplace
RomanceRe: Feminist Please Gather Here, I Have A Question. by Sarcastic101: 4:30pm On Feb 26, 2022
pocohantas:
There is nothing hard about your question.

The answer is very simple, NO I WON’T.

Men are responsible for 99.9% of unrest in the world. So, I can’t think of any single reason I would risk my life to manage a situation they created.

Putin = Man
Zelensky = Man
Biden = Man

Till date I commend the women that came out under hot sun to protest against SARS. They really tried to make such sacrifices for men and Nigerian men in particular. I can’t expose my skin to such heat protesting for Nigerian men against SARS their fellow men.

I am afraid I would never do such. Last time I checked, 99.99% of armed robbers, ritualists, drug dealers and whatever are MEN.

The ones that robbed and killed people at Uromi are men!

Shekau = Man

Buhari = Man

So, men are not actually protecting women. They are simply keeping their fellow men at bay! If they all act responsibly, women would be able to roam about this earth without any fear of getting attacked or bombed by someone MAN.

You guys should get the memo that the bad ones amongst you are the problem, not women, not feminism. Call yourselves to order or go out there and fix the mess you created! Simpu!
Dumb fool,
Using this logic,we can equally say that men are responsible for 99.9% of every achievement of the human race,there fore only men should reap the fruits of civilisation,if women can't show up or stand for anything in times of war,they should keep Thier mouths shut in times of peace,
Nonsense
Christianity EtcRe: Atheism: A Religion With No God by Sarcastic101: 4:19pm On Feb 26, 2022
LordReed:
That's why I had to just stick with your definition of supernatural. You said your god won't oblige but your god should know what would convince me wouldn't he?
there's enough evidence, that you have no excuse, existence is enough,if you know how useless an athiest is to God you'd know why instead of him giving you evidence he keeps you blind read this verse:john 12:40
Christianity EtcRe: Atheism: A Religion With No God by Sarcastic101: 4:14pm On Feb 26, 2022
MrBrownJay1:
lol see how you brainwashed people are fooling yourselves.... xtianity gave "YOUR FRAUDSTER IN ROBE" Rolls Royces and private jets, you deluded people are still living in poverty (financial/mental)....as if you even knew how a Rolls Royce smells, lol!

you and your bastard fraudster in robe and/or your bastard god should get a life.
***spit on floor***
Fool,how many millions have you saved since you stopped giving your money to the church?
Are jealous when you see God's people living large, while you who's enlightened can only go about being a militant for athiesm.
Can you name on single thing you've benefitted from being an athiest?
if there was one,I'd consider athiesm.
Christianity EtcRe: Atheism: A Religion With No God by Sarcastic101: 3:52pm On Feb 26, 2022
MrBrownJay1:
you people can bring all the nonsense you desire on this thread, but until you bring ANY EVIDENCE that your god exists, all you type is just smkescreen BS



again, the day you brainwashed retaarded people show me ANY evidence of your god, then i can change my mind, until then, you guys keep being the deluded zombies that you are and keep handing your money away to these fraudsters in robe who drive away in Rolls Royce and private jets while you mumus suffer in silence (hoping for MIRACLES IN THE SKY)!
Our deluded Christianity gave us rolls Royce and private jets, athiesm can't even give you anything (apart from masturbating and feeling good about it) though,
On the day you drop dead you'd see the evidence for God, very blazing hot evidence my friend
Christianity EtcRe: Atheism: A Religion With No God by Sarcastic101: 3:48pm On Feb 26, 2022
LordReed:
Well probably in a way we can't understand yet.
you'd use this same phrase if the sun was made to stand still,you'd say"well this is natural and we should bring God into it,"
And I'd ask how so?
You'd say,"it's just happened'probably in a way we don't understand yet'"
Christianity EtcRe: Atheism: A Religion With No God by Sarcastic101: 3:45pm On Feb 26, 2022
LordReed:
You asked for the kind of evidence I would accept and I have told you, too bad if your god can't be obliged.
Luke 11:29
There'd be no evidence for you.atleast not now, that's why he created hell,if his creation won't convince us,his destruction will do the job
Christianity EtcRe: Atheism: A Religion With No God by Sarcastic101: 3:33pm On Feb 26, 2022
LordReed:
That is what I said, we don't know what was before the big bang but it wasn't nothing. It doesn't even seem like nothing is a possible state
the big bang marks the beginning of time,space and matter,
Please can anything exist independent of time space and matter?
Christianity EtcRe: Atheism: A Religion With No God by Sarcastic101: 3:31pm On Feb 26, 2022
LordReed:
Pointing to the universe as evidence for a god won't convince me because just like me you don't have any details other than we both agree that the universe exists.

On the otherhand I can accept the sun standing still because such an experience will not be subjective, contrary to your scenario were you say people won't believe me, the sun standing still will be a phenomenon all the world will see and be able to record. So when can you ask your god to do it?
and I say that if the world sees such, our athiest scientists would say it's a natural occurrence that demands a natural explanation (which they're working on),they've said the same for every evidence, even if it'll convince you it wouldn't convince them,and about asking my God to do anything,
My God doesn't perform miracles to convert people,or make them believe
Miracles don't make people believe in God, people believe what they're willing to believe,the word of God is all he gave,
God has constructed the evidence in a way that Will be overwhelming to one who likes the idea of a God existing,or be overlooked by one who hates the idea of God existing ,if you read the bible you won't ever come across a place where someone asked God to perform a magic to convince people,God can't be ordered
Christianity EtcRe: Atheism: A Religion With No God by Sarcastic101: 1:54pm On Feb 26, 2022
LordReed:
You are incorrect, look up initial singularity, start here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_singularity#:~:text=The%20initial%20singularity%20is%20a,and%20spacetime%20of%20the%20Universe. There was something before the big bang. That that something can't be described right now due to limitations of our scientific knowledge doesn't make it nothing.

Let's leave the question alone for now because I don't think you can answer it to my satisfaction. Lemme just work with your definition and the example you gave would be a wonderful example of a demonstration of this supernatural. Can your god create a football out of thin air? How about replicating the sun standing still? I would take any of these or similar as evidence.
no matter how advanced we become, science cannot give us what happened before we were here,it can only give predictions, science can only determine definitely present happenings,we can't study matter to know what happened before matter came about,
Secondly what does this singularity consist of, where did it come from?,we know fully well that the proposition of an existing singularity before the big bang is a theory, there's nothing that scientists can trace the bang from other than a singularity,
Christianity EtcRe: Atheism: A Religion With No God by Sarcastic101: 1:46pm On Feb 26, 2022
LordReed:
You are incorrect, look up initial singularity, start here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_singularity#:~:text=The%20initial%20singularity%20is%20a,and%20spacetime%20of%20the%20Universe. There was something before the big bang. That that something can't be described right now due to limitations of our scientific knowledge doesn't make it nothing.

Let's leave the question alone for now because I don't think you can answer it to my satisfaction. Lemme just work with your definition and the example you gave would be a wonderful example of a demonstration of this supernatural. Can your god create a football out of thin air? How about replicating the sun standing still? I would take any of these or similar as evidence.
Nothing is to much for him to do,he created a universe out of thing air, what's a football that he can't create a football out of thin air,
If you say that replicating the sun standing still is enough evidence,
Picture this,
Imagine he made the sun stand still tomorrow, and you told your athiest friends, wouldn't some say it's a hallucination,if you all saw it, wouldn't you sa
LordReed:
You are incorrect, look up initial singularity, start here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_singularity#:~:text=The%20initial%20singularity%20is%20a,and%20spacetime%20of%20the%20Universe. There was something before the big bang. That that something can't be described right now due to limitations of our scientific knowledge doesn't make it nothing.

Let's leave the question alone for now because I don't think you can answer it to my satisfaction. Lemme just work with your definition and the example you gave would be a wonderful example of a demonstration of this supernatural. Can your god create a football out of thin air? How about replicating the sun standing still? I would take any of these or similar as evidence.
he created the world and life out of nothing,a football is to small , however if he made the sun stand still wouldn't you tell yourself that it's a hallucination,or wouldn't you say that it's a phenomenon that can be explained naturally and doesn't need us to invoke God into it?,if the creation of life, existence,the planet,and all other form of organisations couldn't convince you, would a standing sun convince you?, would it convince other staunch athiests?, wouldn't it be said that there's an explanation for it but it's definitely not God?
Christianity EtcRe: Atheism: A Religion With No God by Sarcastic101: 12:43pm On Feb 26, 2022
LordReed:
Incorrect. Scientists don't say there was nothing before the big bang, scientists don't know what was before the big bang since our current knowledge of physics can't describe it. So my question persists, is it your conclusion that until we find a natural explanation for a phenomenon we should consider it supernatural but when we find a natural explanation it is no longer supernatural? Do you think disease is supernatural?
Incorrect,there was simply nothing before the big bang,no thing,it was the start of time space and matter, there's is nothing that can be known about what happened before the big bang,as it is incomprehensible,it's like trying to know where you where before you we're born,
As to your question,any thing that happens which isn't natural is supernatural, diseases are natural so it can't be supernatural, however, someone rising from the dead is supernatural as no natural explanation can be given for such,a talking donkey is supernatural as no explanation can be given for such,also, creating a football out of. Nothing is supernatural,as no natural explanation can be given for such.
In essence, anything that we refer to as impossible but it actually happened is supernatural,we shouldn't take a disease to be supernatural because it's a disease,and diseases are natural,but is it a coincidence that almost all diseases that can be cured are cured by drugs,produced from raw materials that God created,no scientist ever created a drug out of nothing but already available raw material,and the fact that these drugs are specific in action shows that it didn't come about by chance,but we're created for those purposes, however to an inquiring mind,a planet that balances itself all by itself,with various laws,and regular occurrences would not be taken as a mere occurrence, there's no single machine that created itself,and we shouldn't for other desires deny that there's an intelligent being behind everything here,
Another question for you is that,if there's no God,then why is there something instead of nothing,why is there life, matter, existence if there's nothing out there?
Christianity EtcRe: Atheism: A Religion With No God by Sarcastic101: 10:26am On Feb 26, 2022
LordReed:
It isn't hard to understand but if I use a dictionary meaning you might take issue with because that has been my experience, when I use an available definition believers quarrel about it so best I get the definition you are using. If supernatural just means things without natural explanation that means when something later gets a natural explanation it means it is no longer supernatural for example was lightning supernatural when it had no natural explanation or if we we discover a natural explanation for how life began it will no longer be supernatural? Clarify if you will.
when I say supernatural I mean unnatural things, when an unnatural thing happens it's said to be supernatural, example of this is when matter came out of nothing in the beginning, what scientists refer to as the big bang, nothing was before the big bang it has no natural explanation,
So the supernatural explains the first cause,the start of all natural things, however things like consciousness, emotions and existence of a mind and intelligence can't be explained naturally

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