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nihilistjnr:
I've actually highlighted it for you if you choose to read

The highlighted says nothing about any Ooni of Ife saying that Human sacrifice is a core part of Yoruba culture .

nihilistjnr:
Who is Babalawo Obanifa?

Where is his shrine? Where is his office?

So the word of a nameless, faceless entity online should have more weight than the Ooni of Ife?

I'm sorry you have to do better or go and sit down. It's Monday morning please

Why shift goal post.

I gave you link to a blog that extensively explain an Odun Ifa where it states that Ifa did not ask for human sacrifice.

Your business is not with babalawo Obanifa or whatever, the Odun Ifa is not the word of Babalawo Obanifa.

Instead of beating round the bush quote where Ifa says offer human sacrifice, or quote where the Ooni of Ife said human sacrifice is a core part of Yoruba culture.

nihilistjnr:
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All I know is that Ooni of Ife at the time, Ooni Aderinsoye Olugbenla, refused to adhere to the Lagos government's decree that made human sacrifice illegal, because he said human sacrifice was a core component of Yoruba religion.

Ooni of Ife is the king of all Yorubas btw. So I'm not prepared to engage in further discussion if you're unable to provide weighty proof that contradicts a sitting Ooni's view of Yoruba culture

Give me link to the report where the Oba said Human sacrifice was a core component of Yoruba religion .

nihilistjnr:
Maybe you should bring out the Odu Ifa that outlaws human sacrifice.
Like you said, he who makes an assertion must prove.

All I know is that Ooni of Ife at the time, Ooni Aderinsoye Olugbenla, refused to adhere to the Lagos government's decree that made human sacrifice illegal, because he said human sacrifice was a core component of Yoruba religion.

Ooni of Ife is the king of all Yorubas btw. So I'm not prepared to engage in further discussion if you're unable to provide weighty proof that contradicts a sitting Ooni's view of Yoruba culture

This is the Odu Ifa that outlaws sacrifice, read and inject wisdom.

https://www.babalawoobanifa.com/2015/10/ifa-forbid-human-sacrifice-ifa-is.html?m=1

After you are done quote the Odun ifa that says bring Human body for sacrifice .

Ifa says bring Human sacrifice debunked .

https://www.babalawoobanifa.com/2015/10/ifa-forbid-human-sacrifice-ifa-is.html?m=1

Orunmila expressly declared it in odu Ifa irete meji that no babalawo or devotee of Ifa should engage in using blood of human beings as sacrifice .

nihilistjnr:
The bolded is completely pointless and irrelevant.

What is a matter of historical record is the Ooni of Ife refusing to stop human sacrifice because it's a core component of Yoruba Culture.

Oh oh .

Which Ooni of Ife, Ok let assume Ooni of Ife refused to stop giving Orisa human body for sacrifice .

So that automatically makes it a Yoruba culture , I have told to quote an Odun Ifa that backs the act of human sacrifice .

Which Odun Ifa says sacrifice human being to soso Orisa, quote it simple .

Yoruba people worldwide understand that anything we call Yoruba tradition is centered around a system which came out of Ifa.


So for you to say something is of Yoruba, it must be backed by Ifa, so what odun ifa says sacrifice human body to Orisa .

Human sacrifice practice was a global nuisance then, slaves are mostly the victims.

That some praticed human sacrifice does not mean it was a way of life, if I carry gun and kill someone, I become a murderer but that does not makebmy family murderers cause it is not on their order that I commited the murder shikena.

nihilistjnr:
It's a Jstor link, so you will need a subscription to access.
The author is a yoruba man, based on eyewitness accounts and government accounts.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/4100637?seq=20#metadata_info_tab_contents

Yoruba chiefs said the benefits of Christianity - where only one nigga claimed to have died for everybody - were unclear

Mehn my people were some bloodthirsty savages sha. Make Jorginho just use mistake enter Ogun state, he will soon know that the Gods enjoy white meat

The report said Orisa religion, I don't think the writer understands Yoruba.

What is the meaning of "Orisa religion " .

Esu was a human. Orunmila, Obatala, Sango, are human beings . Someone that was created specially is Orisa. When this people die they become deities, so worshipping Orisa is basically worshipping your ancestors.

In actual fact, there’s an oracle of Orunmila, known as Odu Ifa Irete meji, which totally makes it very clear that human sacrifice is not a way of Yoruba.

The report is junk at best cause the writer failed to mention the name of the Orisa that said bring Human body, is it Esu-Odara or Olodumare that asked for sacrifice.

Understand my English I didn't say slaves were not sacrificed to so so gods, during that time babaric acts of slavery were committed, but on no account did any Orisa say bring me human body .

Human sacrifice is not of Ifa.

raumdeuter:
Which Ogbomoso? Shey na Ogbomoso the scoreline dey?
You like deceiving yourself sha. Ogbomoso ko Ogbologbo ni

Let us test Ogbomoso juju on you to verify it's potency .

raumdeuter:
The only way to show juju dey is simple. there are 10 games in the EPL next weekend, Tell baba to supply the scorelines and we can all verify it

Stop shifting goal post.

You said juju no dey work, come down to Ogbomoso let us test ur claim.

raumdeuter:
There is nothing in Ogbomoso or anything, its all false

We were here when people were swearing that Sunday Igboho cannot be arrested that he will command guns from air.

He is spending 6months in prison now and he is unable to command nothing

Just tell the jujuman to reveal the scoreline of next weekend games

From faraway America, JuJU nO eXiST .

Why was Sunday Igboho not arrested by 100 Dss, and military men, why were they arresting cats .

He was arrested in benin Republic airport, he will soon be free .

raumdeuter:
Ask shadowcracker to tell us the scoreline of next weeks EPL games

Come down to Ogbomoso .

airmark:
Dayo don leave Germany since, he is in America.

Man dey use style avoid you.

Let him come down wherever he is to Ogbomoso to truely verify whether juju nah myth or not .

airmark:
Are you afraid of telling Shadowcracker that Juju no dey?

Let him leave Germany and come to an Ifa shrine here in Ogbomoso.

Let them test on or two on his body .

You cannot sit on the comfort of your couch in Germany, and say juju is a myth when deep down in you know there is only way to find out whether it is a myth or not .

nihilistjnr:
This is what I addressed



Ritual human sacrifice is not alien to Yoruba culture. It was and (maybe still is sef) a core component of Yoruba culture.

Ei incumbio probatio non qui negat

The onus is on he who declares a thing to prove it not he who denies.

Prove your claim.

What is name of the culture or pratice, when is it done, quote any citations where Ifa or any god says give me Human body for sacrifice.

If it it was pratice, there should be records containing detailed information of it, quote it.

I hope you actually have proof, and it is not inspired by Odunkola odunlade film that you watched .

nihilistjnr:
Ritual human sacrifice was historically a core part of Yoruba culture though. Especially Oyo and Ojebu culture. Those niggas used to rear slaves like chickens. The same way we kill chicken at Christmas. The same way guys use number of cows slaughtered to buga, is the same way niggas used to kill slaves on festival days

Now I don't know enough about the religion to dispute whether the specific scenario of killing family members is a part of Yoruba culture. I'm only talking broadly about ritualistic human sacrifice as a practice

Babaric acts of slavery was not only peculiar to Yoruba's, don't forget Arabs and Europeans enslaved africans.

So it is not an Oyo, or Ijebu thing.

At that time slaves were mostly prisoners from wars against enemies, anything goes when it comes to slaves they are not regarded as humans.

Yes maybe slaves were used as human sacrifice but that does not mean it is a Yoruba culture, cause it is not written anywhere where any god says offer me slaves.

Some slaves were sold, some used as workers, some killed, some used for sacrifice, it was general slavery practices.

Shikena.

They are stories of whites cannibals eating black slaves, so slavery pratices are different topic entirely.

Astrid4:
Let's me shock you bro...the issue is have never seen any babalowo arrested for ritual purpose, this people are so organized,they have ID cards, babalowo are ifasheyi,sangofunke,oyafunmi et al these are traditionalist,most of these ritualist if you go deep into their history you will see hear names like Ibrahim and Matthew meaning they're of Christian and Muslim faith.

Don't mind them.

Nah Nollywood cause all these nonsense, go to front page any news on skull mining everybody go shout Yoruba are skull miners.

For you to be called babalawo you have to master Ifa teachings, so for you to say babalawo told bring your mother or daughter skull, then you know that nah sacamaje levels.

Those babaric practices are alien to our culture, its was Nupe muslims that brought such nonsense to Yoruba land .

MufasaLion:
You dig!

Lil Baby, that's my dawg. 4PF 4L!

Gang gang, his album Voice of the heroes try but the numbers are mediocre compared to My turn.

Hopefully he goes harder this year.

MufasaLion:
A thread for ladies, hijacked by men.

Your signature is inspired from Lil baby leaked.

You be 4pf .

Gang gang.

Karleb:
Every tribe has its own problems.

If you follow the news, you'd know ritual killing, selling of human parts etc is common in the south west. Have you forgotten of Sokka in Ibadan?


I love my tribe but there are some things we need to set right and it's beyond NL childish tribalism.

Ritual killings has nothing to do with Yoruba traditional practices that is my own point.

Those skull miners cannot tell you that a true babalawo tell them to bring skull money.

Only them know who ask them to bring skulls it has nothing to do with Yoruba.

HardMirror:
go and preach to those in Yewa ogun state and ijebu ode

Ignoramus.

Next time leave Yoruba out of your shenanigans .

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HardMirror:
If you follow me, you will know I have over the years always shouted it, MONEY RITUAL NA SAKAMANJE!

Please calm down and listen to me first. I know 90% of Nigerians believe it works and I know 90% of you wont even read before you start commenting.

I am from Osogbo from the household of Abija. If there is any family in the whole of Yoruba land that are into Ogun. It is my family. My ancestors were the warriors and protectors of the Oyo kingdom, feared and respected to be custodians of great mystic powers.


Besides my root, I am also unfortunate to know many useless boys, just like most of you reading this. I club a lot and because I am not religious I dont discriminate so a lot of bad boys like hanging out around me and they are open to tell me stuff that they wont tell anyone that they think would judge them.


So know that I am not being stupid or naive, I know that people kill other people for money. It is a fact. But that is where it ends... it is all a wicked lie.

Because we are very spiritual, because of nollywood, because our elders keep talking about it, because we dont even know what is going on, we all think it is possible to kill a human being and you start making money.


Reasons why ritualists actually make money
1. Any one that can be so desperate to kill another human for money, is already sufficiently desperate mindless to do anything to be rich. Such a person would perform better as a yahoo boy, perform better as an armed robber, perform better as a drug dealer. ALL RITUALISTS YOU SEE ARE INTO ONE HUSTLE OR THE OTHER, MONEY DOES NOT JUST APPEAR FOR THEM TO SPEND, THEY WORK HARDEST, THEY WORK WITH BIGGER TARGETS BECAUSE THEY ARE HIGHLY MOTIVATED.

You see all these boys that plus, they gain tremendous confidence such that when their mates are asking for $100, they are asking for $1million and most times it is this crazy confidence that is needed to make it big.

2. They are bonded with others. Most times these rituals are done in groups or with a close friend. This type of sacred bond demands they help each other in the hustle. They motivate each other, they run very efficiently in their hustle as a time. They are never lazy, their drive is super efficient. They are ready to die to make it. They will work as a team and ginger each other relentlessly.

Without money ritual, most guys would be lazy and give up easily.

In truth the money ritual does not work, it just creates a mindset of hyper confidence and self belief needed for success.

Without work, you can never make money even if you kill one million people.

Let's end this nonsense of ritual killings. It is absolute nonsense and lies.

The babalawos asking you to bring human parts are doing it to test your resolve to be rich. They are doing it so that you become a criminal with blood on your hands and you remain interested their control. You become their cash cow. They are using the ritual to turn you into their permanent client.

The more you go about spreading the lie that money ritual works, they more you contribute to the problem

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Trash.

No true babalawo will ever say you should bring human parts for money, there are different charms for money.

Awure is lucky charm that helps you to have good sales in your business. We also have oshole, which has its dos and don’ts but has nothing to do with blood. Oshole is a kind of ritual that can help people that use it to have money; it must be done at age 40 and above 70 before you use another one.

Non of these imvolve human parts.

Ifa teachings is against killing of humans, can you quote any odun ifa where Ifa says bring human head, and I will give you money.

All those babaric acts are alien to Yoruba cultures, stop associating Yoruba with shenanigans.

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Karleb:
There are so many bullshits nollywood makes us believe and blood money is on top of the list and they are not ready to stop as long as cash coming in. It's so disheartening!

We believed witches go to meeting by placing their legs on wall while sleeping because of this same nollywood.


Some 20 years later, the format changed...


I would curse anyone who prices iPhone 13 for N100k as a seller because I know the worth but a skull miner would sell a skull that could potentially bring billions according to him for N5k. It should tell you it has no value whatsoever.

As a yoruba person, I am ashamed to share a tribe with these skull miners.


It's disheartening that this is a type of argument we are not ready to have offline as a vast majority of people believe this bullshit!

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Stop saying rubbish.

What Yoruba tradition says bring human skull, and I would give you money.

You mine skulls has nothing to do with Ifa or any Yoruba religion, it is on your own accord.

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CAPSLOCKED:
WHAT KIND OF CONTRADICTORY CONFUSION IS THIS. WE'RE CAMPAIGNING AGAINST RITUAL KILLINGS AND BLOOD MONEY RITUALS, AND YOU'RE ASKING US TO KEEP QUIET AND "LIVE AND LET LIVE". HOW CAN I LIVE AND LET LIVE WHEN RITUALISTS AREN'T LETTING PEOPLE LIVE? THEY KILL EVERYBODY THEY CAN FIND FOR A MERE SUPERSTITIOUS BELIEF AND MOSTLY SELL BODY PARTS AND VITAL ORGANS FOR AS LOW AS 10,000.

IF YOU HAD ANY SENSE YOU'D ASK YOURSELF WHY THOSE YORUBA SKULL MINERS THAT HAVE BEEN PARADED SELL HUMAN PARTS FOR 5 THOUSAND NAIRA TO RITUALISTS WHEN THEY THEMSELVES COULD HAVE USED SUCH BODY PARTS FOR THE RITUALS THAT'D MAKE THEM RICH. THOSE MINERS KNOW THAT BLOOD MONEY RITUALS ARE FAKE WHICH IS WHY THEY KIDNAP PEOPLE, KILL THEM AND SELL THEIR ORGANS TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU FOR CHICKEN CHANGE.

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One thing I hate most is people say things that they have little knowledge on.

What belief, crime is crime tell me why you have to associate money ritual with Yoruba religion on what basis.

What do you know about Ifa teachings, or Awo teachings, sincerely have you ever researched about any Yoruba traditional beliefs to see their stand on "Ogun owo".

Can you quote any Odun Ifa, where Ifa says bring human heart, or head and I will give you money.

If you don't know, don't assume.

There are different charms for money.

Awure is lucky charm that helps you to have good sales in your business. We also have oshole, which has its dos and don’ts but has nothing to do with blood. Oshole is a kind of ritual that can help people that use it to have money; it must be done at age 40 and above 70 before you use another one.

None of this involves human body, there is no Yoruba tradition that says bring human parts for money.

If you disagree please quote a citation.

All these babaric stuffs are alien to Yoruba traditional practices.

Cc: aribisala0 tao11.

Havertz10:
didn't know that ifa had books on it's teachings, guessing that it was written in a language that it's worshippers understand, written down by a man like them after hearing from ifa via quantum connections, how convenient

Shut up. I don't have time to cure your ignorance.

Verses of Ifa are called Odu-Ifa, quote one where Ifa says bring Human body or heart and I will give you money.

Like Allah say [9:5] But when the forbidden 4 months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.[Quran 9:5–5]

Awure is lucky charm that helps you to have good sales in your business. We also have oshole, which has its dos and don’ts but has nothing to do with blood. Oshole is a kind of ritual that can help people that use it to have money; it must be done at age 40 and above 70 before you use another one.

There are different charms for goodluck and money non of this involves killing of human.

Killing of human "Ogun Owo" has never been a Ifa teachings or any Yoruba traditional practice.

Yoruba use Pigs or goat or animals in general rituals, quote where Ifa says use human heart for money, quote it .

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Havertz10:
it's the same fallacy that gives religion life, motivation is like belief, once your resolve becomes conviction the only limitation is your desire based on the conviction that you have, if god or babalawo gives you guarantee, there is nothing stopping you from pushing ahead confident with the assumed backing that you have, the only thing limiting you is how much conviction you have, Nigerian military uses this system socially to exhibit power, it's all in your head at the end, I hope people wake up, the sooner people stop believing and investing resources into imaginary entities the better for us all

See this ritualist trend, how many businesses and lives have it destroyed? If we factor the economic impact that this issue is causing, jobs lost, relationships harmed because of false alarms, lives ruined, families that will forever mourn, or social stigmatization from misscategorization, these are the issues that really require serious awareness and social outcry but instead it's subtle and passive conversations that people exchange on the subject

I can overlook religion for now though those people have to go abeg, while the damage both beliefs cause can be calculated to be economically high, I would even argue that religion causes more deaths each year than ritulism but because its cases are mostly causal nobody looks at them but ritulism is different because it's barbaric and pointless, at least religion gives the government easily amenable subjects, what service does ritulism provide in the grand scheme of things? Asides providing fonder for religious exuberance the great balance, it's in movies, folktale and everything of good vs evil, humans love that perspective, Christians use babayoko to show quick dark methods fail, while giving it credence that it works because if there is god, there is devil and both have powers and are fighting

But what's the end game of ritulism? What does it achieve? Killing people for money that you could have gotten by working hard, you are just a lazy, dumb motherfycker, Why also do the gods require absurd things like body parts? What do they need them for? At least we could argue that maybe in that realm souls are valuable and whoever takes owns it, but why singular insignificant parts like privates, in a house the toilet is the least valuable part, same for humans, our brain and hearts are more valuable but those will require serious equipments, we understand, after you provide these parts are they resold on the black market? Cause something has to link those parts to the financial rewards you get, business investments that will provide such liquidity? Abi you feel say money no get source? Or Do they control the minds of others to give you the money, if they could why do they need to trade with you when they can control the minds of people to do their bidding? Fundamentally juju and ritulism is a stupid concept, you don't even need to dig deep


Goverment wouldn't enforce anything because they informally believe it, as the saying goes politicians are indicative of the society, dumb society will give you dumb leaders, and they use your religious dependence to herd you into voting blocks and use it to dorminate you while also ruining you and themselves because irrespective of how much resources they hedge, if revolution happens, and the new government is democratic, they will ask for assets of top politicians abroad to be frozen and returned, and America government will support them because it suits their propaganda narrative

But the real power it has is it's perception, it's the reason why ritualist are assumed to become successful faster than Christians that are also motivated by the same beliefs, christianity promotes good at least at micro scale levels, while babalawo routes promote negativity which requires luck unlike the Christian route that still requires hard work from you, the assumed belief that a successful person's wealth is questionable if they exhibit certain behavioural traits kinda gives ritulism an assumed belief that it works very fast, it's not easy to do the things these people do to other human beings but if they believe that the reward will come early enough to override the guilt they will risk it, strong conviction

we suppose kill these babalawos on live national tv, educate people that these things are fake, it's 2022 and people still have medieval thinking and priorities in Nigeria



Get some kind subjects that we shouldn't even need to say that is foolish and pointless in the grand scheme of things, Nigerians self, i'm tired abeg

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Why don't you shut up your mouth if you are ignorant in a subject.

Kill babalawo's cause some people kill for money, have you studied Ifa teachings or Ogun or awo teachings or any Yoruba gods teachings.

I challenge you to bring where it written that Ifa says or any gods said that they should kill an human for money.

If you don't know don't assume.

That people kill human for money, do you even know that Ifa is against killing, I am sure you don't know you just assume cause that is what the society says about african religion.

Herd mentality.

Boko haram kill people based on a verse in Quran that says kill infidels, I wonder why you don't advocate for killing Imams.

Oh I forgot you can't cause Islam was not black ancestors it was from black ancestors slave masters .