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Unfortunatley, non of your ethnic group people d rank in top 10 Forbesnof Africa.

Sorry, my friend...Chatgpt think otherwise...

mrvitalis:
Lol drop the prompt oga

In no world is chatgpt better than Grok

Hang on mate— drop the prompt? Seriously? You creates a topic off a response to a prompt, and now that the same logic is turned back on you, your best reply is to dismiss it?

Anyway, whatever helps you sleep at night. I’m not here to rescue you from your own contradictions. Like it or not, ChatGPT is far more cited and trusted in academic circles than Grok.

mrvitalis:
I have been saying it since and people from South West keep doubting it

South East with the least federal presence is the most developed region in Nigeria

Facts don't lie

Unfortunately for you, my friend, ChatGPT — which is more widely recognized in academic circles than Grok — thinks otherwise. In fact, it ranks the South South ahead of the South East, with the South West clearly leading the pack."

Among the potential presidential candidates for the next election, Omoyele Sowore stands out as the unique one and compelling figure. I intend to support his candidacy; however, I believe a more measured approach, particularly in his revolutionary rhetoric, could broaden his appeal and enhance his impact.

advanceDNA:
u dialogue out of context...we are talking job function, training, responsibility in the practice ..u are talking intelligence ...... Is there no reason why medical doctors are the ones heading medical board and hospitals....

. Guy we don't have to agree on this matter...

You are the one dialoguing out of contest and your view and knowledge on this issue is so myopic. In the UK for instance that NARD are referencing, do you know that you don't have to be a medical doctor to be the CEO of a NHS Trust or to even head a health service, same with USA and other saner climes. Unfortunately, in Nigeria people like you believe if the medical doctor don't head the service then the service can't run efficiently because they are the one who know it all in your view.

[quote author=advanceDNA post=135326005]See trying to stylishly make it look like everyone's job is equal because they collaborate is downplaying the role of medical doctors....

Some pple sit in office and just dispense drugs they are told ...... While someone combines a whole lot of medical data, to diagnose a sick person, determine what will make them well and many times have cut them open to fix them....cut women open to bring out babies when they can't naturally deliver, replace organs, cut open the brain, etc.. Yet you want to downplay their role because they work with drug dispensers...well done....I acknowledge you too

a medical doctor knows all a pharmacist knows..he's the one prescribing the drugs in the first place....making it sound like pharmacist knows drugs and drug interaction and the possible physiological response than doctors is laughable ....

You can keep sugarcoating the issuing to sound inclusive ...the fact is ....none off the other medical professionals does half of what doctors do.....it's a truck-load of traaaásh to be doing less than someone and be saying you want to get paid the same ....


you are totally wrong....oga..google is not even far from you..... the course content and training of medical doctors is far broder and than that of pharmacist, physiotherapist etc co....

As in...do you know what it takes to become a consultant after graduating ...u are comparing what's not comparable.....





Obviously your knowledge about this topic is shallow and is a shame that a learned person will downgrade the body of knowledge of other professionals just the way you have done. The fact that one is a medical doctor doesn't make them more intelligent than others professionals and this is a fact you should acknowledge, you are only knowledgeable in your discipline. You talked about consultancy role as an exclusive perogative of Medical doctors only. For your information, the UK that NARD is referencing have nurse consultants, physiotherapist consultants, etc that are employed and are working in various capacities in the NHS without their medicalbdoctors protesting but rather supportive of them. Infact many of these professions are now prescribing as well as serving as first contact professionals in primary care and ED to relief the pressure of service demand, however everybody must practise within their scope.

The nigeria government only elevate their training to 6 years and decide to award them doctor in their various professions, which of cause mean they spend the same years in university as medical doctors. The government did not even mention raising their entry salary to be equivalent as that of doctor, so why should this be an issue. And by the way, are you aware that a 'resident doctor' earn less than entry level pharmacist/physical therapist in the usa?

advanceDNA:
But Pharmacist don't do half of what doctors do
Pharmacist training and education isn't even up to half of the volume of what doctors have to go thru...
.why on earth will they be fighting for same medical doctor title and pay grade ...

Even those with PhD in academics can be saying they wan same pay grade with a consultant oncologist or gynaecologist. its absurd...they don't do the same thing

..sounds like witchcraft to me...

While I acknowledge your perspective, I do share a different view though, every professionals involve in the patient care are important because they collaborate with each other to improve the outcome. That said, the medical consultant still remain the head of the multidisciplinary team and should endeavour to take input from other professionals including the Pharmacist who is knowledgeable in drugs and drug interactions to improve the outcome, this is the way it is being practiced in the developed world. There should be mutual respect and not a show of ego, afterall they are all in the service because of the patient. A Pharmacist spending 6 years would study more courses before graduating thereby having more depth in patient care that ultimately improve outcome which also add to the success story of the team, therefore why should anyone be against this.

Here is a link [https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/08/health/canada-doctor-raises-trnd/index.html] of a protest in 2018 when doctors in canada rejected salary increase for only themselves, but asked that the government should increase for thr nurses and other health professionals, and improve funding of the health care system. Sadly in Nigeria, our doctors are protesting against the professional development of their team members. It is well.

advanceDNA:
Hahahahaa....U must be a cómedian....are u the only one that spent many years in school.??
..engineers also pend many years in school too, should they get medical Dr titles as well and get paid for not doing what doctors do ...

. U ddnt go through their extensive training.......their course context is far voluminous than yours....
.a doctor learns the course of many medical science course combined including your course.... anatomy, physiology, biochemistry, pharmacology, etc.
..they still get learn all the branch of medicine, ..... Cut people open and fix them up......go through rigorous residency program.....

.u don't even do their job......u now want to down play their sacrifice with your just because u spent 5 years in school because u want their pay....oga all u do is dispense drugs do tors say u should ..u won't even have a job with a medical doctor

U are being biased and becos of ur gr33d, and envying doctors for the money they make yet you don't do quarter of what they do.....

.... Make a biochemist come and be claiming he because he also had to learn plenty biochemical pathways like a pharmacist he should get get ur title and get paid like you...see how u will feel

Go and get an MBBS and the training that follows if u want to get their pay ....... Smàll yænsh dey shake....

While I do agree with you that there is tendency for these professionals to start demanding for increase salary, howver I don't believe they would be unreasonable to start demanding for the same salary as a medical consultants.

That said, your information about mentioning that only doctors study anatomy, physiology, pharmacology and biochemistry is wrong other health professionals such as Nurses and phyical therapist also take these courses. Outside these courses, they also take their own professional courses that trained them to be professionals in their field.

It is really troubling to find professionals fighting over titles rather than outcoming their services, really unfortunate and pathetic.

It is really unfortunate that NARD would issue this kind of statement when they suppose to be at forefront in the healthcare sector to preach harmony within the sector and continuous professional development of other health professionals so as together as a team they can deliver outstanding services. How can the award of DPT or PharmD or DO be a problem to the medical doctors? These professions using the doctor titles doesn't take away the medical doctors responsibility and roles in the health sector and vice versa. Infact if nigeria system is working well, nobody would even trangress beyond their professional boundary because of medicolegal cases as it is the situation in the UK, US and other sane countries because a healthcare professiinal know he/she can easily loose their license if they don't make timely referral.

The NARD reference UK, where their first degree is generally 3 years, and even at that educational providers in the UK know that doctorate degree for these professionals should be the ideal and look up to the US where it is a norm- for instance Robert Gordon University UK is now awarding DPT (https://www.rgu.ac.uk/study/courses/958-dpt-
doctorate-of-physiotherapy).

While I'm not current with the salary structure in Nigeria for healthcare professionals, my understanding is that the use of doctor titles for these disciplines doesn't translate to the same salary level to the medical doctors just as it obtained in the US and other developed countries, so why are the medical doctors threatened by the development of others professionals. One thing I'm sure of is that many medical doctors particularly those that are well exposed would disagree with this NARD statement as this smell of envy, discrimination and sentiment rather than the patient best interests

jmoore:
Babablu bulabu.

I don't learn from you people.
How many of Tinubu supporters are intelligent?

Obi was governor from 2006-2014. What was the poverty indices for 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014 before he left?

For Tinubu that had poverty rate of 69% which is almost 70%. Would you believe any report that Lagos had 90% poverty rate before Tinubu became governor?

I can see how intelligent you are, drawing a comparison without referencing a baseline measurement. You need to go back to school.

Some of the states were experiencing a higher poverty rate as high as 80%, so if you don't have any evidence to demonstrate that Lagos State before Tinubu was experiencing a lower poverty rate then people are open to make their assumptions. However, for Obi we have empirical data that showed that poverty rate was lower before he assumed power and then spiraled when he was in power. Even if we don't have quantitative data that reflected what it was when he left power, one of the governor after him provided qualitative data that poverty rate did increase throughout Obi regime, and only decline during Obiano time.

By the way, I'm not expecting you to learn from me but you can help yourself by going back to school to learn statistical analysis and interpretation.

Your argument is not valid. Poverty indices during Tinubu regime might be high but you need to show what it was before he came to power in 1999, that provide a good ground for comparison.

In Obi case, looking at data before he ascended to power and what it was when he was in power, there was an increase in poverty rate in the state, which is a failure on his part as a governor.

Beyond this, my own grouse with him, is that he shouldn't have gone to demarket a country you are so passionate to lead on a global stage, that is absolutely wrong, and I hope he learn from this backlash.

Beside, he who comes into equity must come with clean hands.

Nazgul:
You just typed a load of jargons without actually saying anything sensible.

The simple question is what's the average salary of a nurse in Nigeria. If you can't answer that simple question kindly refrain from my mentions.

Apparently, you are too slow to comprehend a simple analogy. Did I reference average salary in any of my posts? My submission is based on my personal experiences as I wasn't making a reference to FG payscale. I won't be responding to your comment any further, apparently you are myopic and pessimistic as I can see all your posts are laced with mediocrity. My advise for you, consider changing your circle.

Nazgul:
You just typed a load of jargons without actually saying anything sensible.

The simple question is what's the average salary of a nurse in Nigeria. If you can't answer that simple question kindly refrain from my mentions.

Apparently, you are too slow to comprehend my initial post. Did I ever reference average nursing salary in my post? I drew conclusion based on my own exposure and contacts..Well, I can easily judge the kind of company your keep and your level of exposure from your posts that are laced with mediocrity.

Nazgul:
@bolded
Easy with your lie biko.

A matron who is a nurse at federal level and has spent years working as a nurse earns about 300k.

Entry level nurses at federal level earn between 120-150. And you should know that you'd need serious connections to get such jobs at federal level. Meaning that you might end up with with the peanuts from private and state hospitals.

No nurse earns up to 500k. What are you doing as a nurse that you want to earn such amount?

If you pay a nurse 500k, how much would you pay a consultant or surgeon?

Why do you think that thousands of our qualified nurses are fleeing the country, it's because they're poorly paid. There's a global need for nurses and they're well paid overseas that's why I made it clear that if his parents can afford to send her overseas, she should go ahead and study it.

But if she plans to settle down in Nigeria and work with her nursing certificate, she shouldn't waste her time cos nursing is very limited. If she doesn't have any connection to work at federal level, she might end up working in a private hospital earning less than 50k.

That's the reality about nursing.

Juz seeing your message and I think I shld give you a reply...

Must you only work with federal teaching hospitals?
If you have certain specialties, it is indeed possible to earn 500k or if you work with some organizations, na where you waka reach u go know, and na wetin u know u go know...You don't need to tell me how much a nurse earn in Nigeria, I actually practise in Nigeria as a health care professional in govt hosp before I left d country. Howver, if you still choose to believe in your ignorance that it is not possible to earn 500k as a nurse in Nigeria, well goodluck to you in your nescience...

I'm not sure this woman did her homework well before referencing India, the country hold a record as one of the top countries with the highest number of people japaing even as at today...

It is so disrespectful and insensitive of this governor to talk about mental illness this way.

Please, i will strongly advise you to encourage your sister to go and do nursing even if it is going to school of nursing and not a university, this is far better than the course she is doing at the moment.
Globally, there is a demographic change with world population rapidly ageing and birth rate declining, hence demand for healthcare personnel will continue to be on the rise.

I saw some arguments here that nurses earn peanut in nigeria, but then they still have job. Unfortunately, most people who did the other course are unemployed, frustrated and dejected with life. Beside, I know of many nurses that earn more than half a million bad as it bad in Nigeria. Equally, the opportunities abroad are limitless for nurses.

All the best to you and your sister in whatever decision you guys agreed on.

Naija na cruise, I swear.

Lizzysamuel:
Keep clowning and throwing tantrums. Don't go and read and improve yourself.

Be doing sychophancy up and down, while you're detoriating.

detoriating or deteriorating?

You see that polaris bank na useless bank...D last time I visited Nigeria which was less than a year, I opened a forex polaris account, and transfered money into it.. I checked recently, my account has been wiped alongside with My forex balance. I sent an email to them and they replied they would investigate, till today nothing as changed.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

CoronaVirusPro:
Healthcare in the US is a silent demon. It can render one homeless.

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So true. The greatest challenge face by an avarage American is the cost of healthcare. I know of an American family that moved to Spain because of their health care spending in the USA.

1Sharon:
Its free at the point of use, but taxes are paying for it.

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Yes, tax pay for it and you get so many benefits in return-the free health care, state pension, child benefits, disability benefits, social care support, and so many more. The welfare revolution of the UK has been highly successful and to me is far better than Nigeria system where you pay less tax and practically get nothing in return.

1Sharon:
Congratulations! That's because your woman was low risk.

Even with complications, healthcare in the NHS is free.

The last time I checked on tax across the world, found out an African country Côte d'Ivoire even had the highest tax deduction in the world, by the way the UK is not even among the first ten.

obi4eze:
Do you mind them? UK will use tax and NI to cut your pay and you will be shocked that you will be paying close to half of your earnings in tax and NI.

You need to stop making a mockery of yourself. Are you saying in Australia they don't pay tax? You are yet to work and earn in any of these countries yet you are dishing out fake information. Make I burst your brain with the attached images, because if I should state it in my words you would still argue it again. Look at the picture very well, the pounds earning and the tax in the UK and then the earning in australia dollar and the tax in Australia, so that little difference is what they would use tax to finish you in the UK and not in Australia? Do you even know the difference in the cost of living in both countries, I guessed you don't but I won't school you on that as I see you are impervious to learning.

obi4eze:
Here is my first statement with respect to tax before you quoted me.
Lol. I lack content but you have not presented your facts with sources with respect to what I Seems you didn't read well, or is lack of adequate comprehension your problem? If, with everything I have said about TAKE HOME and you still don't understand, then this discourse is a pure waste of time. I wanted to see if you could show me facts from credible sources for me to learn but you got nothing to show.

Adios

Obviously, you lack understanding and instead of you to hide your face, you keep jumping from pillar to post. Someone posted Doctor salary as 100k pounds in the UK, you argue no and I gave you the salary range of consultant, did the OP inform you that he is reporting net pay in his post? You even went as far as comparing a consultant salary in the UK With a junior doctor in Australia or you are still denying your post? Well, maybe junior doctors in Australia don't pay tax in your realm. Again, you lack content.

obi4eze:
Lol. What does the topic say? And what did I say? I factored in the exchange rate and tax in my figures and calculations. You said I have little knowledge but I have given you facts. I have stated the take home pay of a UK Consultant is not up to 100k yet you are still arguing. Of course I know the gross earning starts at 88k but what about take home? Does the Consultant take home all the 88k per annum? NO. That is what I have been saying from my first statement. You asked for the job adverts yet I gave you adverts from an AU government website. I factored in the exchange rates and gave you the tax rate deductions from uk.gov and compared it with that from the ATO website yet you say it is fake. Or didn't you see or understand the picture I posted?Please post real figures from your if you have them.

Remember my main point was TAKE HOME.

You started with the gross and then you shifted to net pay, but let even assume you are talking about the net, so a junior Doctor would take home the whole 165000 australiadollar in Australia? Again, let assume yes that is the total take home [obviously that is not possible] this is still around 86k pounds in exchange rate how is that more than a consultant salary.. You really lack content, bro.

obi4eze:
Oga I did m not shift goal post. I have always maintained that Australia doctors earn more than UK doctors because of tax deduction. Then you jumped on my mention and said you earn 59k after tax. Then I had to ask you to check what junior doctors in Australia earn first. I have attached below two job adverts: one for a junior doctor and the other one for a Consultant. A junior doctor's take home in AU is lesser than what a UK Consultant will take home and is much more than what a UK junior doctor will take home but the disparity between an AU Consultant and his UK counterpart is so wide.

I jumped on your mention because I have to correct you before misleading people about a country wages u have never stepped your foot into. You posted that Doctor in the UK don't earn 100k and I corrected you that Consultant could earn more than 100k, or are you saying a consultant is no longer a doctor?

I didn't say 59k is my earning nor did I state what my role is in my posts so far, I only cited an example. Is either you are finding it difficult to comprehend, or you are just goofing. Still waiting for the Australia Junior doctor salary that you are comparing with a Consultant salary doe...

I only told you about the exchange rate between pounds and australia dollar ba? try and compare the cost of living of both country again make your eyes clear small.

Nobody is arguing that Australia,US or Canada don't pay more but don't dish out fake data to sugar coat what you have little knowledge about.

obi4eze:
I like the fact that you're not in competition and it's very good to satisfied with what you earn. The thread was about what doctors earn in different countries.

So is no longer junior doctor salary again? stop shifting post, I didn't talk about Australia doctors salary in my post until you mentioned how much a junior doctor is earning in Australia in comparison to what a consultant earn in the UK. Can you kindly post any job advert in Australia now that is ready to pay a junior doctor more than 100k pounds salary per annum?

alphabbey1:
It's just social media misleading you. You didn't bother to ask a Nigerian nurse in UK how much she earns, you just quoted that guy with the news you went to read on NursesdotUKdotCo... You didn't also read the full news, the first paragraph is what you copied to argue here....

He ain't wrong, my sis works as a nurse in UK currently and her current salary is between that range that guy quoted. You are the wrong person here.... Before you correct someone, ensure you make inquiry with reality and not Google coz google will not be the one to pay you the salary....

What have I written that is wrong? If you can point it out and back it up with evidences why it is wrong I would send you 30K naira.

I work with the NHS here in the UK, just so you know that I'm not copying anything from social media rather just saying it the way it is. I wouldn't know why you are so pained in me stating the obvious because I really did't disagree with th OP on nurses earning in the UK. Mr first paragraph, If you have taken your time to read through all my posts on this issue carefully before quoting me you could have figured this out, na wah ooo....

obi4eze:
Okay. Your take home is 59k after tax. Please check the take home of a junior doctor in Australia after tax.

I'm not in any competition with anybody as long as my earning is enough for me to afford a quality lifestyle and my job continue to offer me a good work life balance. By the way 1pound is currently trading at 1.91 Australia dollars so you might want to have a second thought about your junior doctor earning first..