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Alabo7978:
no,
It says
"From the part of the river nun till Taylor creek THE COUNTRY ON EITHER(BOTH) SIDE IS TERMED ORU...the people ARE OF THE SAME TRIBE which habits the tract of the country UP UNTIL THE RIO FERMOSO... They are termed jo-men by the English palm oil traders"
Then at the end, he went on to say THROUGH OUT THE DISTRICT BUT ONE LANGUAGE IS SPOKEN WITH but WITH LITTLE DIALECTICAL DIFFERENCE"

In that his book, he then went on to compare the counting system
Taru Mamu trai Nini sono sondiu sonuma (Bonny)
Which is also same in other ijaw clans west.
In my own Nembe it is kio Mai trai nine Sono sondiu sonuma etc

Everything tally.
This his research was in the 1850s when other words were begin to be collected other than IBO.
You all only dwell on the first expedition of the 1830s

Here's exactly what he wrote :
From the part of the river nun up till this point Taylor creek, the country on either side is called Oru. The people are of the same tribe of those who inhabit the tract of the country up on to the RIO fermoso where however they are called Ejo or ojo by which name they are known at aboh, brass and Bonny,

This two statements actually show there's a slight distinction between the Oru and the Jos of the Fermosa. Mind you Brass where you come, according to that statement called the people of the Fermosa Ijaw while those in the nun were called Oru. They carefully kept a separate name for the people in the Fermosa which they called Ejo. Can you clearly see the distinction?

That Baikie said "is of the same tribe" is likely due to acculturation. That's why that distinction of Oru and Ejo was an important addition.

Much much.

Alabo7978:
every Europeans called us Oru, even the name you want to claim.
Na wa o

Read that excerpt from Baikie closely you will observe the statement points to a slight distinction between the Oru and Jos of the Fermosa.

Ijaw keep claiming the word Oru but yet they have no tangible explanation as regards the term Oru.

Let me tell you what I think. I think the Orus were actually Riverine Igbos that were in existence from the beginning of the Igbo race. Oru is more evenly spread and established across Igbo society that in Ijaw society. Oru appears a foreign concept in ijaw origin.

The Oru would be joined by the Ijaw people in a migration much later, and over generations the two became thoroughly mixed. Hence, Ijaw superimposed or more probably eroded the practices of the riverine Oru Igbos they came upon, leaving only the name Oru as survivor from that era, and from then the ijaw we know today continued in existence.

That is my explanation of Oru's awkward existence in Ijaw today.

BeardedmeatR:
We are talking about soldiers sacking an entire village, killing anything that moves in their path because their men were killed in an armed conflict with others. Is that not what they did in bayelsa that made Timaya do that song?

Only in a failed state!

Okay I get.

Alagoa the con master.

Oh my God

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Loewe:
If you are part of those ESN touts, I pray you get caught. If not, I pray they don't visit your family soon too... Otherwise you would learn the hard way.

You lot know how to say nonsense online even when the truth is crystal clear. Keep blaming DSS and FG, when e red finish, na una go beg government to come rescue una...

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Also show us how she was lambasted by people and teachers in Mbosi there.


All these lies make Lai Mohammad's argument to ban social media look like a good one. If people make inciting comments online they should be invited and questioned by the law enforcement to determine their motives. If found guilty of misleading to incite they should be made to face jail time.

BlackAdam55:
Thank you for your input,you have been helpful. Well it is obvious SlayerForever's or the igbos don't know Rivers history after all. As for your second comment, Okrika was drag into this because the igbos are claiming that the Okrikans are Originally igbos who migrated from Afam in Igbo country. A statement the Okrika people on NL take offence to

Okrika are from Afam Ndoki. The Okrika elders said so themselves in the 19th century. We are all aware of how Nigeria turns things on its head due to politics. Okrika are Igbo people and now we have evidence we will not stop saying it.

ambimo:
I so much agree with you, Particularly on your first paragraph.
Since time memorial through 1990 till date, how many countries has Russia invaded, and how many have USA, Britain or NATO invaded?
When Yokunovych was outsted from office in 2014 by NATO blocs and the USA because he refused to sign the EU free trade deal on the gas pipeline which in turn favored Putin, there was a coup.
Did you know what BBC and CNN called that coup in 2013? "Revolution of dignity"!

The Western Nations are evil hypocrites trying their best to paint the Kremlin as the bad people, when in reality they are worse.

As per NATO : What Russia is doing is exactly what any of the Western Nations would do if in Russia's position. The Western Nations, number one Britain, are evil minded HYPOCRITES.


As per Donbas : The move by Putin to annex Donbas to the Russian federation is very good. Ukraine is fighting for East Ukraine to remain a part of the Ukrainian federation by force. One can't blame Ukraine but it will fail and their forces will be destroyed. So they will lose any which way. Unless they quit the war on time of course.

Onye aghana nwanne ya.

BeardedmeatR:
Nigeria is a failed state. This is same reason Timaya sang Dem Mama.

Lwkmd

Please my brother show me this connection between failed state and dem mama.

bomb24:
Yep!

Hmm. Interesting.

bomb24:
Wailings of Alabo-aka mumuribo.

confused Imp So it no longer okolo-Ama? All of a sudden the "Ma" Prefix In the okolo now means fly and no Longer Ama as u earlier indicated and placed more Emphasis on...

From all Earlier documentation of Bonny history, was pointing to the original founders of Bonny to Come from Ngwa/Ndoki Land; which In their dialect a curlew is called "Ugoloma."

Like i always say okolo means Roosting in Ijaw vernacular and not curlew, so what is the word for curlew in Ijaw?

Jaja's name remains jugbo jugbo fem. we have an overwhelming prove for that...

U lost out bro!

Ugoloma?

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BlackAdam55:
Okrika Small? Okrikans are the second largest Riverine ijaw clans in Rivers state,they are 10 times bigger than Bonny and Opobo combine. They have 100 times more voting blocks than Bonny and Opobo combine.
When I said that you are not intelligent enough to have any conversation with me I was not wrong, your illiteracy and your low iQ on this thread proves that.
And yes it is your business, cause your land grabbing brothers SlayerForever and Eastlink are trying to twist the Okrikan people history from being an 100 Ijaw clan to an Igbo own something the Okrikans hate with great passion. And no,we are yet to see one Bonny or Opobo person who has come out to say that they are from Igbo or championing the Igbo course,it is you igbos who are always forcing and speaking on their behalves. Don't bother replying cause I won't even respond to your small empty brain

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Okrika is what? Hahaha

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Oghene1st:
My brother, no put mouth o. If not for the other part of Delta, Delta North for be like where dem dey pack shit. Just watch how the capital will be reduced to a local town immediately someone from Delta Central becomes the Governor.

They contribute the least to the purse of Delta, and it is what they want to use for the construction of the above mentioned projects.

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Nigerians are too backward. Tweh.

You recounted history without saying exactly why the war has just broken out. Clearly you don't know.

Ekealterego:
Eh! I hope you were not having a conversation with yourself while high on kaikai.

Slayerforever, Ofoigbo, Eastlink, Igboid, Pazienza, Bkayy, 9pluto, Malwian, Thicksharon
Just in case you want to update your library with more ethnographic work from later 1800-1905. Here is another ethnographic work completed by Darker in 1905 and published by Oxford University Press. He travelled around and did a thorough analysis.

Here is an excerpt on OPOBO.

Title of material please

Flares deployed.


Damn

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Alabo7978:
sorry, Ekealterego no offense, how old are you?
I sat down last year when I visited my maternal grandfather and asked him about Ndoki/azumini and if Their real name is aminadokiari.
my maternal grandfather who is more Igbo than any of you clowns who are children told me yes for a fact that their name is Aminadokiari and they are mbammiri people but because they were closer to Igbo land, their Language died.

I also had a chat with one of his daughter's husband(who is an ndoki man; and I wrote a thread on it last year) and he told me for a fact that they came from Ijaw land but their DIALECT was lost.

it is no co incidence that they have joined all ijaw socio cultural organizations.
go to "OPOBIANS ON FACEBOOK;save Opobo foundation" it is a public group with 6.5k members. and go and observe.

so if an Opobo man and an Ndoki man tells you he is not Igbo but ijaw, you will carry your goat brain that is full of achara grass to come and tell us otherwise?
it seems won't be your only enemy.
people keep on rejecting and denying you, but you keep on forcing yourselves on them.

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Ekealterego:
Slayerforever, this guy is simply saying we should follow Fraudfessor Alagoa contortions of Amandokiari LOL. The brothers that Alagoa saw in his vision. LOL.
So we should not believe in documented history.

If only Nigerian education was well grounded such fraudulent books from Alagoa wouldn't have seen the light of day.

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Alabo7978:
shatapp!

you don't even know Oru was the ancient name of the ijaws and not the Ijaw as we know it today.

the Europeans know us as Oru.
time will reveal how all the igbos along the upper Niger were once Oru.
infact all the people known as Oru-igbo today were once ijaw people who got swallowed so stop capping because when we set for that discussion ehn..
nairaland will scatter.
even the people at Oguta who are ijaws but fled that area at the start of the civil war back to their ancestral land of kalabari-ijaw.
infact whenever dispute arise, those people call on the Kalabari elders to come and mediate
we are not ready for that discussion but soon we will open that bee hive and scatter everywhere.

IJAW BLOOD is more vast.
the people today YOU CALL Oru-igbo have ijaw blood In them that is why you igbos tagged them Oru-igbo after they were mingled with you.

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Nawa for you o. You just talk pra pra pra

Alabo7978:
they will never concour.

everyone knows at the time Igbo people were the most demanded people because of their farming expertise hence they were good commodity for slavery. even the okrikans have some waves of migration from Nembe and Bonny and the central delta area.

Igbo people with their grabbing attitude are busy bringing unwanted hatred on themselves. They do not want to live with their neighbors in peace. they condemn the Fulani people for having expansionists mentality but they are the same with the people they condemn and that is why karma is dealing with them in Enugu and ebonyi area where herdsmen are entering and lodging in their forests and destroying their crops.

well all their lies will end in Nairaland, they can not dare enter the creek or delta to come and misbehave like this. they are cowards and will hide behind a faceless forum to bring more hatred on themselves and when they begin to suffer for it, they cry injustice when they themselves brought the weight on themselves.

I have learnt so many lessons on this nairaland about Igbo people. give them an inch and they will want to claim the entire square kilometers.

You only have a bit of chance to talk because Brass has not become the discussion yet. We have documents in our possession that clearly state that the Brass people and Nembe are Igbos. You have seen the various threads.
Oru is of course Igbo too. Both people have been heavily ijawnized almost beyond recognition but we know who they are.

engrsyer:
Well i wont disagree with you less about the mixing of blood with the Igbo but what i know and which was been confirmed by one senior Okrika chief that i had an historic discussions with, confirmed to me that what i told him the migration of Okrikans was what his father told him after i introduced my self to him as a Bille man in Bonny Island about four years ago.

The name Kiriki(Wakirirke) emanated after the people of Ogoloma and People of Okrika(main Okrika) met in bush on their way to market(Fe) for transaction saw theirselves speaking almost same language and understood theirselves the Okrika man now told the Ogoloma man that so you can hear me and the Ogoloma man replied that yes i can hear then the Okrika man now said we are wakirike(meaning we are alike or the same brothers). There are two brothers that found Okrika nation. The Opu Okubeye whom found Ogoloma and the other man which i have forgotten his name found Okrika and which are neigbhours. They all left Okolo-Bille in Central Abua. By then the present name Abua was not in existence but to point out the location of where they were with present location is what i used to tell you. That doesn't mean Okrika migrated out of Abua. Ogonokom is presently in Abua LGA. Same the Ibani man was also there after migrated from Central ijaw to that place.

The elders in 1800 said they came from Afam Ndoki.

Where does the Opu Okubeye and the other brother come into the picture?

This story is comical

Putindbutt:
Aro belongs to Ibibios. The dynasty and the deities of Aro belongs to the Ibibios.

Nahhhhh, it was the other way round.

engrsyer:
I see, so in your history/write up no relationship between Bille and Bonny. Bille and Bonny has no cultural relationship/ties meanwhile both has been aged long best of friends and brothers. Is alright.

At bolded, that history is not correct. Is that what the Okrikans tell the publisher of this historic books? Indeed true history is been buried for centuries what we see now are half baked histories or distorted history. For record sake Okrikans migrated from Akpata Bille(Okolo Bille/Old Bille) in Ogonokom, Centeal Abua in Abua/Odual LGA. Same thing goes to Bille people, Ibani, Nembe people and Ogoloma people all were settled as relatives at that Ogonokom metropolis community which is now a small village and still existing in Abua. I would stop here but if you doubt go and ask questions.

I come in peace.

Bokroma Owu tuwo

No, Okrika didn't migrate from Abua.

As for Bille I do not know. So I can't argue.

What I noticed with history in these places is that some other groups that immigrated later tend to superimpose their history on the group they met on ground. Analysing what you said and taken it as a truth, it means that there was a migration truly from Abua into Okrika, however they met and mixed with the native Okrikans who were Igbos. Same as the ijaw folk who migrated to Okrika later.

These later migrants now present their histories as history of the land they migrated to, which is historically wrong.

So that's the explanation. Mind you all the historical information captured was from the 1800s when the history was still young.

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Alabo7978:
you want to deny that the Aro people aren't akwa-ibomite?
you also want to deny the fact that ubini-ukpabi isn't originally a bom deity?
you also want to deny the fact that ABRIBA people migrated from bom and they also practice MATRILINEAL CULTURE?

lol, keep dodging and avoiding it like a plague.

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BS.

Alabo7978:
lol, ok.
when you see points you can't counter you cancel.

na so you dn cancel your brain go so o.

Nothing of note to counter there bro.