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sainttwist1:
if someone write all this nonsense about the prophet, how will you feel.

He's not stating his own opinion, it's the opinion and beliefs of those guys y'all worship here.

Try something else

sainttwist1:
do you know the meaning of Technical stalemate. calm down and read what wrote.

Man! I love the response I'm seeing here.

No one's falling for these MSM BS💩anymore.

amadivv:
. Destroying military target is now terrorism

Picture this, in response to US strikes in Iran, Iran activates sleeper cells in the US to launch attacks on US' military bases, use car bombs to kill US generals, or attack US civilian facilities.

Would you consider this as terrorism or not?


In fact, I'm being too generous with this scenario, let the attack not take place inside US mainland, let it occur in third countries housing US' military personnel and facilities.

Is this terrorism?
Be honest with yourself

geoworldedu:
I shall not die but live

and declare the works of...?

WriteerNg:
These ones don run mad finally.

Na Gbelebo we dey wait to join the queue.

See wetin pesin dey yarn.

usmanpogo:
The war is happening in Europe not America, the Europeans were supposed to lead the negotiations but since they're currently divided, the Americans are taking charge of their affairs.
The Americans shouldn't even be involved in ending this war, it's Europe's war, they should have a say.

Are you trying to sideline the country that's shouldered most of the bills (financial and military) simply because they're not in continental Europe? Ludicrous!!!


It's 'mostly' America's war, and only they can determine when or whether they want out or not.
US, Russia and Ukraine are the 'important' parties needed to put a halt to the conflict, the Europeans are mostly redundant. They could be slightly significant and relevant during Biden era, but under a condescending Trump? Lol!!!
Let the three important parties reach an agreement first, then let Europe disagree. Let Trump pull the plug, and let's see how long Europe can sustain the war.

Righteousness2:
@ bold is the Exact Reason you and I have the Privilege to Know JESUS.
It is the Stubbornness of the Jews on recognizing JESUS as the Messiah that gives you and I gentiles the opportunity to know JESUS ..

We owe our knowledge of JESUS CHRIST to the Jews.
JESUS CHRIST is a Jew. Came on the Earth as a Jew and Died as a JEW.

You cannot Claim to Love JESUS CHRIST and Hate HIS Brethren.
One who does that must be a Confused person.

And mind you, there are lots of Jewish Born again christians in ISRAEL.
I have got Jewish Friends who are not just Christians, but Pastors and teachers of the Gospel of JESUS CHRIST, taking the Gospel to Nations of the World.

Palestinian brethren are collecting from God's chosen... Yay!

fuckingAyaya:
better stop lying and deceiving urself. Can Russian maintain nuclear submarines lol? Just one aircraft carrier they couldn't maintain it you're here talking of nuclear submarines, are u mistaking it for tugboat? Look well oo!

naptu2:
Russia regularly sails submarines and other warships near the US and UK coast, just as the US regularly sails warships close to Russia's coast.

https://news.usni.org/2024/06/11/russian-nuclear-sub-frigate-with-long-range-land-attack-missiles-operating-off-east-coast

Russia regularly flies bombers close to the US and UK, just as the US and UK regularly fly bombers close to Russia.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-aircraft-spotted-and-tracked-flying-near-alaska-again-norad-says/

Pls ignore those clowns... Lwkmd!!!

WriteerNg:
⚡Trump decided to deploy two nuclear submarines to “appropriate regions” just because Dmitry Medvedev pissed him off.

Donald Trump on negotiations with Russia:

"I'm not so interested in talking anymore, we had such respectful and nice conversations and then people died the following night and the missiles are going in....". (Sounds strangely similar to their playbook in Iran )


"....They have a lot of valuable things, when you talk about rare earths. So Russia could be so rich right now instead they spend all their money on war, they spend everything on war and killing people..."

Okay! Mr Trump is basically projecting right now.

Even the brethren dey collect for the hands of God's chosen people

And to think that there are Christian groups in the US funding this... I'm speechless
https://www.npr.org/2009/06/12/105310088/american-christian-funding-flows-to-jewish-settlers

dermmy:
kikikiki. Oga think say him be peacenik. This nobel peace prize must come at all cost.
How can you get a nobel peace prize when you almost se middle east on fire and continue to support ethnic cleansing and genocide in Gaza. He must be thinking the nobel prize panel are dumb like him.

He might actually win it.

If characters like Kissinger, O'bomber... can win it, then Trump's got a shot at it too.

Go through the history (the founder, past recipients...) of the award, and you'll realize everything about the Nobel "peace" prize is brutally ironic.

FoolishBoy419:
You don't need to use two accounts, Mr. Obedience 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

His opinion was 'soooo convincing ', he had to use another account to validate himself.
😁😁😁

Fash20:
Wow this thing is big

Hoaxen:
Omo, are you sure that it's the same arguments you've been following?

We have freedom of the press, and they do their job criticising the policies of the west.
All the past crimes of the west, who revealed it?
Is it not western media?

I appears that you've also fallen into the cycle of whataboutism like the other guy

It's looks like you just jumped in midway without properly comprehending the argument.

Let me refresh the argument for you: ⬇️

writerng was angry about Putin's actions and I then replied: ⬇️


And I got this reply: ⬇️



And I replied: ⬇️


And then he dived into whataboutism by replying: ⬇️


And then, he sent me on a wild goose chase into historical events of 50 years ago. I even mocked how if he liked he could even go 10000 years into the past to look for Western crimes.

This is false. The difference between my camp and your camp is that your camp worships your leaders, defend anything they do and rarely question their actions, even in your media there's no freedom of the press!
While my camp doesn't worship any leader no matter who they are. We mostly criticize action of our leaders.
You want proof?
Easy: Freedom of the press.
Don't western media always criticise western leaders?
Don't you watch western news?
Do you see worship or do you see criticisms?

Meanwhile, I've never seen you guys acknowledge shortcomings.

My argument is simple and straight forward “western leaders have their shortcomings, but at least they are not tyrants that will deny you your basic human rights!”

Do you comprehend now?

Since you are here, Lemme ask you the same question I asked the other guy: if you acknowledge that both of our camps are evil, why do you support your side?

I've already given you my reason in bold red.

I have responded to your claim about tyrants or whatnot in my previous comment.
And your claim about "human rights", "freedom"... is laughable at best. Are you really clueless or you're just feigning ignorance? I thought we've gone past these stale rhetorics?

👉We are supporting the lesser of two evils(a sort of bulwark against global tyranny). It's a choice between one side that has no 'freedom', 'human rights' and the other blah, blah, bah..., but is pretty straightforward with it, and we know exactly where they stand. And then there's the other side that hides behind the facade of these dumb rhetorics to act the same. It wouldn't be a problem if they kept this glaring hypocrisy to themselves, but they criticize, sanction, and worst of it all bomb other countries for it.

👉I'll buttress my point with this fascinating and criminally overlooked irony concerning the Iraq adventure.

The forces of 'freedom' and 'liberty' set out on a quest to liberate and free the people of Iraq from their repressive and brutal dictator(who was once their ally btw ). They codenamed this 'moral' and 'glorious' mission- "Operation Iraqi Freedom", I mean, who the hell doesn't love freedom? . After intensive freedom bombing campaign (shock and awe), finally, freedom it is?! Well, out came these gruesome images and details. 👇
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/21/1164916991/looking-back-on-shocking-revelations-u-s-forces-tortured-iraqis-at-abu-ghraib

Abu ghraib prison, a notorious prison once used by Saddam Hussein to detain, torture and execute dissidents, became a den for the supposed bearers of freedom and human rights to perpetrate the same atrocious acts...

Freedom? Human rights? Democracy?

LOL!

Hoaxen:
Show me where I denied all the claims.
This was when you first used whataboutism by going back to the 90s to accuse the west of crimes around the world, and then I pointed out to you that Russia, China, North Korea etc were all complicit in similar crimes. Then all of a sudden, you started accusing me of whataboutism when you are the one that started it by going back to the 50s

Your conspiracy theory was that the CIA killed Gaddafi as against the rebels killed him on Wikipedia.

Suddenly you are redefining the definition of genocide again when it doesn't suit your propaganda?

From thousands of people, to shootings?

And 1950 is cold war era, let's leave it like that, OK.

Nope, we both support deeply flawed leaders, but mine at least doesn't violate human rights, while yours do, which makes them tyrants.

That's the problem, you are aware of the west’s crimes because of freedom of the press. No one knows how many have been killed by all these regimes you support because they do not have free press.

Let me ask you a question?
How many people have been killed by the North Korean regime from 2000 to date?
The answer is that no one knows. Why?
Because they control their media!

O

I never said you support evil, I said that those you support are tyrants.

We've discussed this before.


I support them because under them I have:
Freedom of speech
Freedom of belief
Freedom of association
Freedom of movement
Freedom from slavery
Right to dignity of human person.
Right to life etc
And most importantly, right to question them when they do questionable things, which those who live under tyranny do not have!

-Of course! It's just "Cold world era"= legitimation of their evil deeds.

- That "human rights" arguments of yours is funny, once again. Are you really clueless or you're just feigning ignorance?😂

👉You mean the racially motivated prisoner abuse within America, racial disparity in criminal justice, racially motivated police brutality, how about the recent treatment of illegal migrants...?
👉Human rights abuse Overseas nko? Ever heard of Guantanamo bay?https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp,
How about that gruesome image that came out of Abu ghraib prison in Iraq, and the "enhanced interrogation technique" (a transmogrified term for TORTURE) that ensued thereafter.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_interrogation_techniques.

How about the numerous US allied repressive dictators, both past and present who engaged, and still engage in horrible human rights abuse?
This is just a prime example👇
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Cuba#:~:text=Fulgencio%20Batista%20murdered%2020%2C000%20Cubans,people%20were%20killed%20in%20clashes.%22

👉Those you support are tyrannical, and they aren't just tyrants, they also get in bed with other 'benevolent tyrants' who serve their strategic interests.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._policy_towards_authoritarianism
To hell with human rights.

👉The US doesn't control their own media? They don't ban other countries media? Why? Because "free speech" is an exclusive right of their own media?

👉Wanna test out the threshold of this "free speech" of yours in America and the entire "free West"?
Try criticizing or staging a protest against Israel

Hoaxen:
I already pointed out lies with Wikipedia links which you dismissed and started giving unverified conspiracy theories.
If you call the Gaza conflict a genocide, then you should also call Russia's killing of Ukrainian citizens a genocide.
Have you forgotten how you first sent me to the 1950s?
Then I showed you Russia's coups at that time too.

Yes! I said that you guys love modern day despots, because you guys often praise them and say that we should emulate them

Vladimir Putin:
The jailing and repression of political opponents
The intimidation and suppression of the free press
The lack of free and fair elections
Media censorship

Xi Jinping:
The persecution and killing of political opposition
Media Censorship
Mass surveillance
No religious freedom

Ali Hosseini Khamenei:
No freedom of speech
No free press
Killing of political prisoners
Media censorship

Kim Jong un:
Zero freedom of association
Zero freedom of speech
Zero freedom of the media
Zero freedom of religion
Inability to leave the state
Modern slavery
Torture
Labour camps etc

All these despots are your role models. You started the whataboutism by taking us back to the 1950s instead of focusing on the present.

Like I said, you are the one who took us to the cold war with that 1950s CIA act. If you can go all the way to the 1950s i can also go all the way to the 1940s.

By the way you are dodging the question: Why do you hate the west for something that every nation has done?
Why not hate the whole world equally?
When Russia and co do it, you justify it but when the West does it, you condemn them. That's hypocrisy!

We've already talked about this ICC stuff before.

Like I said "They ARE not tyrants" not "They WERE not tyrants".

You've already given us the reasons why you hate the west, and Russia, China, Iran and north Korea and every country is guilty of the exact same thing. So what is your reason for supporting Russia, China, Iran, North Korea etc?

The point that guy is trying to prove is shockingly flying right over your head and it's becoming quite embarrassing to watch.
His point is quite simple. You said the leaders of the 'free, democratic' West you support aren't tyrants, domestically? We might have different opinions, and honestly, I don't want to delve into that Rabbit hole. 😔
Now what about on the international stage? LOOOOL!!!



His points👉
-They sure do love gettin in bed with tyrants and despots... Your Saddam, MBS, and the cold war era Latin American brutal dictators(etc etc) are good examples. The ones you mentioned there are the ones who don't serve their interests as much as they want. Seriously, what's the difference between the system of government in Iran and the other US allied Middle East countries? 'Theocracy-absolute Monarchy ' riddled with horrible human rights record. The only difference is that Iran has strong head and wouldn't bulge
So much for "democracy and human rights"?
And I do find the democratic vs authoritarian camp nonsense that y'all try to paint to be absolutely hilarious, like wtf!!!😂😂
-Mentioned the overthrow of government that doesn't bend to their tyrannical whims, whether it's Democratic or Authoritarian, hence his reference to the Iranian coup that overthrew Iran's first democracy,. The 'whataboutism' after that is shocking... LOL!
-ICC/HIA. It's fine if we assist them to prosecute war criminals in other countries we don't like, but if they act against us, or our ALLIES(signatory to the Rome statue or not) we will "invade the Hague", sanction and threaten it's prosecutor... If this doesn't reek of tyrannism to you..., boy!!!
-They bend/disregard international rules at will, and yap about one "rules based order"- whose rule?🤔🥴
And boy, do I need to dive extensively into this?
- ...


Now let me make this point clear👉
The difference between our camp and yours is that, while ours have shortcomings, we know and acknowledge them, and ours don't go about preaching and imposing morals and ideals they don't adhere to.

Simple🥱

baqirshuayb:
Israeli Channel 13:

There are numerous casualties at army bases and strategic facilities following the Iranian missile strikes.

The destruction of Weizmann Institute is known, but there are many other locations we have not yet discussed.

They sure know how to hide their L's.
One thing I can't help but "admire" about them.

Pejah97:
Iran will pay dearly for it. They have been sponsoring terrorist activities across the globe

Y'alls self appointed "destroyer of all Islamist terrorists" ain't really different.
You just have to look closely
Don't be blinded by prejudice

akwesenana:
Please spell words correctly when you post, and try to use perfect grammar and punctuation.
22. Don't ask Nairaland members for contact details (email, phone, bbpin) or investments

I was shocked too when I saw that comment

ogelekpomgam:
Because a nation that sponsors terrorists can't be allowed to have nuclear weapons.
Culture and beliefs matter.
Here in UK,they are not perfect,but the level of courtesy,law and order in the country shows you the kind of people and belief system they have.They have nuclear weapon,but they don't wake up one morning shouting death to a particular country like morons.

Because a nation that sponsors terrorists can't be allowed to have nuclear weapons.
Culture and beliefs matter.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/israel-teams-terror-group-kill-irans-nuclear-scientists-u-s-flna241673

dermmy:
Why won't they say death to America and Israel. Your evil CIA intervened in their country in the year 1953 and deposed their first democratically elected leader in a coup and imposed a brutal dictator on them. They took their destinies into their hands by removing your puppet Shah and you placed them under decades of sanctions.

Cry baby Trump. Wail and cry the more.

Let's not forget how they backed Saddam Hussein during his 8 year long brutal invasion of Iran. A war that led to the death of over 500000 Iranians.

shoodboi2:
They're already assembling the false flag operation they will use as casus belli to justify their involvement in the war.

And it works everytime.

Well, on their gullible fans.

Vl3ly:
⚡Reuters:

"US forces stationed at the al-Shaddadi outpost in northeastern Syria were attacked on Friday by three Iranian-made missiles."

It has begun...



Please take a moment to write a quality post with at least 40 characters.
This will make the forum more interesting for everyone.

Difrent:
All the while he was parroting that lie, he was also investing heavily in misinformation, bad press, distortion of history and painting Iran in the most horrible way to the American public, remember the Jews control the American press, decades of poisoning their minds won't wear off easily.
You will be surprised the American Public will overwhelming support it ,of course there will be a few push backs but the majority will support it IMO

Couldn't agree more!💯
People seem to underestimate how deep these guys have woven themselves into every fabric of American society, media and government.

WriterrNg:
⚡Netanyahu:

Iran planned to produce 300 missiles per month and 22,000 within six years, equivalent to two nuclear bombs.

This story no clear again, is it Missiles or Nukes? Oga Netayanyoo, pls be specific