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vfactor:
4. God didn't tempt Job (James 1:13). But he allowed it. The devil accused God bribing Job to worship him by giving him everything he needed and making life easy for him. So the devil alleged that if things changed for Job for the worse, he would abandon God and try to survive first!

Like it was mentioned earlier, God doesn't always exercise his power to know the future. If he decided to use it in Jobs case, it will amount to robbing Job of the ability to decide if he abandons God or not. Besides Satan made this allegation in front of other angels. How would it be proven to these ones that Satan was lying against Job and that God doesn't bribe his servants to worship him? It's not a matter of trusting God. It's a matter of proving beyond reasonable doubt.

So he had to let Job be tested. ( Read Job 1 and 2).

Personally i don't think God switches off his ability to know the future.Destroying a mans life just to prove a point to someone who is the essence of evil is questionable . You wouldn't kill your sons wife, kids, destroy his businesses , properties just to prove a point to a jealous friend who thinks your son only loves you as a father because you are rich and give him all this things.

vfactor:
Yes! And understanding this fact will help us answer question 4. Shall we?

Well that's a new one for me , so whats your take on question 4?

vfactor:
I used an illustrate of a father's personal item earlier to explain this fact. The tree was not test Adam. The restriction was a sign of authority over Adam. And the fact that God can foreknow doesn't mean he always. Humans have free will and are not robot.

So this is an appropriate scenario. Fathers comes home with a new ceramic plate and tells excited son, this is my own plate. U can use all others in the house. But not this it's mine.

The father trust that the boy will obey him.

'And the fact that God can foreknow doesn't mean he always' so you are saying God doesnt always see the future ?

vfactor:
Take note that it wasn't God who tested Adam (James 1:13). Adam was naked doesn't mean he didn't know what he was doing or not doing. 1Timothy 2:14 states that Adam was not deceived. He knew exactly what he was doing.

The statement by the devil that u will come know good and bad and that you would be like God meant that Eve and Adam would now have the right to decide for themselves what was good and what was bad and wouldn't let anyone (God inclusive) to spell it for them. Prior Adam receive all instruction from God and used his ingenuity to carry them. Satan was implying that that shouldn't happen anymore.

Still doesn't add up. Its like a dad who puts a penny on the kitchen table, and he knows 100% his child will take the money to get some sweets, but then decides to punish that child and all generations to come .

vfactor:
Well, this might sound a little strange, but it is what it is. God has the power to foreknow things. But he doesn't always use it.

Reason.
We re free moral agents. Knowing every single action would take would mean God is violating this principles. He gives us direction and let us make our own choices, while warning us of the consequences. Deu 30:19.

The temptation of eve by the devil provided her a fine opportunity for her to demonstrate that she appreciated God for what he has done for her. After all she had a choice.

There is a contradiction there though , from your bible verse Deu 30:19. Then Adam didn't know good from bad, he was nude and had it all. So why test him and not forgive him for his first sin ?

vfactor:
Lemme start with No. 5.

The fruit (type not stated) did not contain anything to kill Adam. It wasn't dangerous to human health and God didn't keep it to tempt Adam. Rather it was a sign of authority to Adam and his offsprings, that despite the fact that they have everything and were in charge of the earth, they still were under someone, God, who reserved the right to tell them what to do and what not.

Adam was a free moral agent and not a robot. So his decision to obey an authority would stem not out of unintelligent obedience but out of choice.

Humans do the same thing today. In many houses, u find items which exclusively belongs to the father in the house. Not because this items would kill anyone, but because its a sign of respect and submission to not use your fathers stuffs e.g. his drink cup or tooth brush or personal plate etc. A child who disregards this order would be seen as insubordinate.


Adam disregarded the one who gave him life and so he died.


I will answer number 4 next when I get ur feed back.

I get your point, But God knew Eve was going to be tempted by satan, isnt that some kind of setup?

So was having a conversation with a born again friend, i raised some questions which she couldn't answer out of fear and believe. I do believe in God, but some things just don't add up

1. Do you believe in hell? personally i think its a fear factor thing . Think about it, why would a loving God create a place for you to burn eternally ? A sin is a sin they say, so basically murderers , rapists and sinners like liars,clubbing,having multiple sex partners etc will end up in the same place? .

2. All sins are the same? seriously , so a dictator can start a genocide killing millions , but become a born again christian today and make heaven if the rapture takes place the same day? while a guy who's got good heart, helps people, never hurts anybody ,but loves woman and clubs wont make it ?

3. You can only make heaven if you believe in Jesus? Interesting , so what about those brought up in islam ,but serve their God with all their heart and mostly do no wrong? You were brought up in a christian home just like they were brought up in islam , so imagine telling them what they have been told since birth is wrong ?

4.The story of Job- i guess everyone knows the story .Why did God decide to test Job in order to proof a point to the devil? He sees all and knows all, so why prove a point to your worst creation?

5.The apple- why was it there in the first place, Again he sees all and knows all, why create something that you know for sure will ruin your creations future for millions of years to come?

6. Back in the old testament, God was always revealing himself one way or the other to people . Why now when there's been so many wars, famine , all kind of crimes has God not appeared some how some way in the sky to warn us about hell etc? does he want most people to end up in hell? He can stop all this by revealing himself to stop how evil the worlds got now

Discuss, only mature discussions please

Leopold II probably killed more, seen a few documentaries on this psycho . The sad part is, he helped build Belgium through stealing from Congo and killing millions.

Religion, the worlds biggest problem. Amazes me that some fools still believe in crap

gmus:
pls watch out for d yahoo yahoo guys. dont be a magga.

Too smart for that, thanks for the heads up though

sara10:
Hey.. pls can you drop your email address or whatsapp number? I have a naija girl for you..

Drop me your whatsapp no plz , tried sending you a message, not working .

Missed the PS press conference live stream yesterday , gonna have to check when i get home today, heard they showed some Uncharted4 clips

cao:
I feel exactly the same way about Uncharted 2, I still believe it's the best of the original trilogy. U3 had some truly epic moments, but U2 improved on all the things U1 had going for it.

You nailed it, 2 improved on 1, while 3 brought nothing new to the table, just felt like some summer blockbuster movie you enjoyed at the cinema, but forget soon as you step out.

DaGC:
Uncharted 3 is my favorite. Same way God of War 2 is my favourite in the series. I didn't even mention Contra, Street Fighter, Battlefield, FIFA etc. So many games across so many consoles.

Yeah so many games, always hard to pick a top 10. I know Any Street fighter game wouldn't make it into my top 10 though lol, was more into MK, though i have enjoyed some SF games

DaGC:
1. God of War 1-3 (PS2 - PS3)
2. Pro Evolution Soccer (PS2 - PS3)
3. Dino Crisis 2 (PS 1)
4. Syphon Filter 1-3 (PS 1)
5. Need for Speed Most Wanted (PC)
6. Call of Duty (PS2 - PS4)
7. WWE 2k15 (PS3)
8. Temple Run 2 (Android)
9. Uncharted 3 (PS3)
10. Mortal Kombat 2 (Sega Mega Drive)


And so many many many others. I'm a big gamer. Funny enough, when I played some of those games on earlier consoles, I thought they were the best thing to ever happen to gaming. Now, I knew I was wrong.

Totally forgot about God of war, would have included 2 or 3 in there. Uncharted 3, interesting choice, personally think 1 and 2 was better, 3 had more epic moments i guess

FPS games are all the same to be honest , that's why i'm not a big fan of the genre. However , i have played most COD games and a few BF games, for me its COD.COD is fun, i know people say BF is more realistic, who cares i just wanna have fun playing my games and that's what i get from COD.

Mine

1-Sonic the hedgehog -Sega Mega Drive
2-Uncharted 2-PS3
3-X men Legends PS2
4-Jurassic Park Rampage edition -Sega Mega Drive
5-Max Payne 3 -Xbox 360
6-WWE13-PS3
7-Resistance 3 - PS3
8-Arkham Asylum -PS3
9-Isolated Warrior -NES
10-Mk 2 -Arcade/Sega Mega Drive

We always talk about bad government in naija, but if most people had power chei God help us People tend to abuse power a lot in naija

boluyongp:
Its because of the way you are dressed. If you dress well, trust me, they'll address you well. It is true that the way you are dressed is the way you are addressed and it is a pointer to your address.

I was at Union Bank yesterday, I needed a pen, the lady was using it. She stopped what she was doing and gave me, she had to look for another.
I then went to GTBank to do BVN, the lady saw me seated with others, she specifically singled me out of the rest and asked if I had done my BVN. I later approached her for her pen which she gave.

So, dress well, smile and speak politely. They are used to rude people, so surprise him/her by being different, you'll get their attention easily. Dress well to get her attention, Smile to break her defences, Talk well to win her favour.

Hope this helps.

You have got a point, but cant always judge people by how they look. You could loose your bank multi millions. I have seen multimillionaires in banks,on the train etc in t shirts and pants , can never tell whos who, that's why you need to be a professional

Spot on, one thing i have always noticed about naija,especially the ladies lack good customer service. I remember calling the zane customer service line and the girl on the line went hard at me like i stole her money Telling me oh just cause you are not from here , its not how we do it here blah blah, i never mentioned i dont stay in naija ,guess she could tell from my accent.Told her off after her rambling ,was like she was trying to show off

Really ? decent naija girl in london ?