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macof:
I would rather believe actual family friends of mine who are from Ugbodu, a chief and even the Oloza himself whom i have met than an imposter and troll on nairaland

That's your cup of venegar .........if u like believe whatever u like,as long as it makes u sleep well

Olu317:
I doubt your claim as being from Ugbodumila. Perhaps, you are an Ibo man impersonating Olukumis. Even your king's spoke man, a Prince of the town ,who bore a Yoruba name attested to Yoruba ancestry. Are you truly for real?

WHAT DO I OWE YOU YORUBA MAN??


ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

BELIEVE WAT MAKES YOU HAPPY AND SLEEP WELL AT NIGHT

AND MIND YOU,I AM FROM UGBODU-UNO,NOT UGBODUMILA.....GO LOOK FOR THAT IN IJEBU ODE.

scholes0:
I won't be surprised if you are one of the quarrelling parties in that village.
lol

Hahahahahahahaha......YOU ARE FUNNY.
WELL ONLY IF YOU KNOW WAT GOES ON IN MOST ANIOMA COMMUNITIES AND HOW TRUE HISTORY IS HIDDEN AND MANIPULATED AND FALSIFIED COZ OF GREED AND SELFISH INTEREST,YOU WILL KNOW WHERE I M COMING FROM. BUT ITS FINE,EVERYONE WITH HIS/HER OPINION.

scholes0:
Yen yen yen.....
You can be anything you like now, nobody cares, I can be British next year if I want to - but history will always be history.
Ndo.

KEEP YOUR PERSONAL HISTORY IN YOUR POCKET. EVEN YOUR VILLAGE HISTORY,YOU CAN SWALLOW IT. BUT YOU CANT TELL ME MINE.
UWC.

scholes0:
Obi is Igbo of course, but the origin is Benin. Otherwise you would have to show communities outside of Anioma and closely related communities where the Ezes bear Obi as the title.
Your cooked up explanation does not explain what is shown in the attached picture one bit. Your argument is like saying because the rulers of Issele Uku were Ogies as first before they became Obis, then the town's monarchy didn't come from benin. Mr Ochei it is clear that you are making things up along the way. But kwantinuuu

Ti Ugbodu han, oluku mi.

WELL ARGUING WITH A YORUBA MAN WON'T PRODUCE ANY POSITIVE RESULT

IF YOU LIKE GO TO ALL THE SITES WRITTEN BY YOUR FELLOW TOWNS MEN,IT WONT CHANGE THE FACT THAT THE ODINANIS ARE PROUDLY ANIOMA AND PROUDLY IGBO. WE SHARE NO RELATIONSHIP AND NEVER WILL ACCEPT A YORUBA IDENTITY.

scholes0:
More history twisting.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1583/23492506003_68d16aca73_b.jpg

That Kings in Kaduna state are called Emirs don't mean they are all emirs. The first Kings of Ugbodu were never Obis, so I wonder how your claim that igbos were part of the foundation of the town and that Obi was the original title even holds any water.....
Besides, even Obi can arguably be traced to Benin and not Igbo

YOU ARE NOT MAKING A POINT. THE FIRST RULERS WERE WARRIORS THAT WERE SENT BY THE OBA TO CAPTURE THE IGBOS OF UGBODU,BUT ON GETTING THERE DECIDED TO SETTLE AND RULE THEM. IMMEDIATELY AFTER THIER TENURE THE EDOS TOOK OVER FOR A SHORT WHILE BEFORE THE IGBOS RECLAIMED THE THRONE. THIS IS EVEN NOT PECULIAR TO UGBODU,BUT THE WHOLE OF ANIOMA. EVEN THE LIST OF THE FIRST RULERS WAS MANIPULATED ITS NOT THAT LONG AND OBVIOUSLY NOT CIMPLETELY TRUE. SO WHY DID THE NAMES CHANGE TO EDO AND THEN BACK TO IGBO ...MAYBE THE WARRIORS GAVE THIER CHILDREN EDO NAMES,AND THE EDOS GAVE THIER CHILDREN IGBO NAMES

THE STOOL OF THE KING OF UGBODU IS FOR THE OBI. ANY OTHER KING COMES WITH HIS OWN TITTLE JUST LIKE THIS PRESENT 1. SO FIND SOMWWHERE ELSE TO POKE UR NOSE INTO .

EVEN THE HEAD OF ODINANI CLAN ,UKWUNZU,THE KING USES ONLY OBI.

AND BY THE WAY,OBI IS IGBO.....YOU CAN TAKE UR ARGUMENT ABT IT BEING BINI TO A DUNCE.

scholes0:
Then I guess your Obi (or maybe it is the deposed one) was suffering from a serious delusion by bearing Ayo as first name. Did he sleepwalk into choosing a Yoruba name?

The original title of the kingshio isn't Obi but OLOZA. I won't argue with you. That it is called obi popularly now is a result of neighborhood effects as well. I don't care if you have anything or everything against the yorubas, Your headache.
But the Yoruba ancestry of Olukumis of Delta state is more of repository / history book material now than anything else.

Itsekiris are close to a million and speak a full unmistakably Yoruboid language as well as being contiguous with Yorubaland, but have you ever seen any Yoruba forcefully coercing them into being Yorubas against their wish? So I wonder what will make you think anyone is interested in kidnapping your village people because an historical thread was opened about them.

Delusions.

......
....OLOZA IS JUST FOR THIS PRESENT KING. THE PREVIOUS ONES USED OBI. IT IS OBI THAT IS EVEN RECOGNISED BY THE GOVERNMENT AND NOT OLOZA . YOU ARE A YORUBA MAN,SO I EXPECT NOTHING DIFFERENT. THE NAME AYO WAS CRESTED ON HIM DURING HIS CORONATION,BECAUSE THEY FELT HE NEEDED AND OLUKUMI NAME,AS THE DISPLACED OBI WAS PURELY IBO AND THOSE WHO FELT THEY WERE BETTER OF BILINGUAL AND PLAYED ALONG WITH POLITICS BUT STILL THE NAME ON THE ROYAL THRONE REMAINS IGBO WHICH IS ISINYEMEZE. AYO IS INCONSEQUENTIAL STILL COZ ITS JUST A FIRST NAME .

scholes0:
You can twist history as much as you want to suit your wishes but the people of Ugbodu, Ukwu Nzu and the rest started speaking Enuani because of acculturalization and not some founder population effect. Just the same way the people of Ebu now speak more igbo than they speak their native Igala.
It is even evidenced by the fact that Ukwu Nzu wasn't even known as Ukwu Nzu until recently the town had a previous Yoruba name. Like seriously, all Olukumis are they up to 50k? I highly doubt.

There are more important towns in Anioma that nobody has even hear about, so be thankful whenever anyone ever gets the opportunity to even know what Ugbodu is because based on her unique history.

You can rant as much as you want here, but thankfully I have done my own research and have spoken to people from Ugbodu, even here on nairaland no one has ever come up with your version of events including the few Ugbodu born respondents who have shown once or twice.
Nobody is asking Olukumis to own up to being yoruba, that is their business.... But you can not ask me what to keep in my mouth or out of it, as you are a nobody on this open / free source public forum. Peace.

I AM FROM UGBODU,IGWISI ,IDUMU OKPO QTRS AND I KNOW MY HISTORY. EVEN THE STOOL OF UGBODU IS TITTLED THE OBI STOOL AS OFFICIALLY RECOGNISED BY THE DELTA STATE GOVERNMENT. YOU CAN CONFIRM WITH THE JUST CONCLUDED COURT CASE OVER THE RIGHTFUL OBI OF THE KINGDOM. ALL THE CONSCIOUSLY MANIPULATION AND DEDUCTION OF HISTORY IS DUE TO GREED AND POLITICS. EVEN THE OBI OF IDUMUJE GAVE THE SAME ACCOUNT ON A LIVE INTERVIEW,YOU CAN SEARCH FOR THAT ALSO .WE IN UGBODU WHO ARE WELL INFORMED KNOW. SO IF U DON'T BELIEVE,ITS NOT MY BUSINESS,AS YOU CANT TELL ME MY HISTORY AND CONVINCE ME TO BE YORUBA. I AM PROUDLY IGBO FROM UGBODU IN ANIOMA,DELTA STATE. AND I DONT HAVE ANYTHING THO AGAINST THE YORUBAS,BUT YOU DONT JUST COME AND RECITE WAT YOU READ ON GOOGLE AND THINK YOU HAVE MADE A WORLD CLASS RESEARCH ON WHAT YOU DONT KNOW.

oyatz:
There is nothing like claiming here sir.
My post was in response to Big Francis's wrong assumption that Ugbodu has no meaning in Yoruba language which I tried to enlightened him.

It never cease to amuse me how nairaland tribalists think a whole population of people of Ugbodu be claimed like a parcel of land.

The people of Ugbodu know their history very well.

They said their town's full name is Ugbo-du-mi la which is a Yoruba sentence meaning the Forest saved me to prosper.

UGBODU WAS NEVER FOUNDED BY YORUBAS. THERE WERE IGBOS ALREADY IN UGBODU BEFORE THE WARRIORS FROM AKURE ARRIVED AND CALLED THE IGBOS "OLUKUMI " WHICH MEANS MY FRIEND BECAUSE THEY WERE FRIENDLY AND WELCOMED THEM. THE NAME STUCK AND ALSO THE WARRIORS RULED UGBODU KIMGDOM FOR SOMETIME BEFRE THE OBA SENT PEOPLE AND TOOK OVER AMD THEN THE IGBOS. SO IGBO HAS ALWAYS BEEN PART OF THE FOUNDATION OF UGBODU. AND FOR THE NAME,UGBODU WAS JUST UGBODU WHICH HAS ITS OWN MEANING IN IGBO,OR UGBODU UNO. IT WAS THE YORUBAS THAT CALLED IT UGBODUMILA.

scholes0:
lol not to sound insultive, but what is the population of not just Ugbodu but even the whole of olukumis?
Why would you think Yorubas NEED you for anything? What value can you add tho the Yoruba Nation that already has more than 40 subgroups indigenously spanning 4 countries?

There are more Delta Igbos assimilating into Yoruba culture (Intentionally and unintentionally) every year than the whole olukumi population combined, and you are here feeling like one raggamuffin. One of my friends from Ubulu-Uku or there abouts just discarded his Igbo name for a Yoruba one for whatever reasons best known to him, and his new choice name is what his children will also bear.

Don't start feeling too big, because your past Yoruba history has brought your slumbery village into prominence. It is just for historical discourse and tracing patterns of migration of different groups into the "Western Ibo" cultural area. Get over yourself.

VERY GOOD,SO KEEP US OUT OF YOUR MOUTH THEN,ITS GOOD FOR YOUR FRIEND THAT YOU CANT REMEMBER HIS VILLAGE TOO. AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE ,THEY WERE ALREADY IGBOS IN UGBODU BEFORE THE WARRIORS FROM AKURE ARRIVED. PART OF THOSE IGBOS FROM UGBODU AND UKWUNZU FORMED UBULUBU WHICH IS SOLEY IGBO SPEAKING.

WE ARE PROUDLY ANIOMA,AND I AM PROUDLY IGBO ,FROM UGBODU,IGWISI,IDUMU OKPO QUTRS IN ANIOMA.

If I could upload videos,I would have uploaded videos of the complete display of Enuani / Aniocha culture and tradition in ugbodu kingdom including the use of asusu Enuani (igbo).

This is Ugbodu kingdom and d pic was during our iwaji (New yam ) festival

oyatz:
Sir, I hope you have heard of Yoruba names with the prefix ODU?

ODUwoye, ODUola, ODUtola, ODUsote etc

Apart from Odu IFA, Odu can also mean a specie of vegetable.

Yoruba is a highly tonal language, thus same word or apparently similar words when pronounced with different tones can assume different meanings

Have you seen contraction of vowels in Yoruba names? e.g

1) Igbo Ija mo (The forest that IJA knows)= Igbojamo

2) Osho+Igbo( Wizards of the forest)= Oshogbo

3) Olo+Oja= Oloja (special appellation for kings, meaning 'the owner of markets' .In the olden days, the kings own the markets, hence 'Oja Oba' in many Yoruba towns)



Bros, take it literally, you don't have deep knowledge about the Yoruba language QED.


The fact that a word has meaning in Yoruba language doesn't exclude the possibility of the same word being meaningful in Igbo, Kanuri or Cherokee languages.

UGBODU IS AN IGBO WORD,ODINANI IS IGBO. THE YORUBAS CAN NEVER EVER CLAIM UGBODU. THEY CAN ONLY DO WHAT THEY DO BEST,WHICH IS TALK OP.

macof:
LMAO. Ok says the person who only has 2 posts saying the same thing.

Jobless ode

Ofe mmanu,shut up. WE HAVE NEVER AND WILL NEVER REFER TO OURDELVES AS YORUBA. WE DONT SHARE ANY SIMILARITY BOTH IN TRADITION,CULTURE AND EVEN 80% OF OUR NAMES ARE IGBO COZ OF OUR IGBO INCEPTION AND FOUNDATION. DONT FLATTER YOURSELF,WE ARE NOT PART OF YOU. WE DONT EVEN KNOW ODUDUWA,NEITHER DO WE EAT AMALA AND EWEDU�..........ALTHOUGH AS I SAID BEFORE IGBOS WERE ALREADY ON GROUND BEFORE THE WARRIORS FRIM AKURE SENT BY THE OBA OF BENIN TO CAPTURE THE IGBOS CAME. AND EVEN STILL NON ACCEPTS BEING REFERRED TO AS YORUBA.

There has always been igbos in ugbodu before the arrival of the warriors from Akure,sent by the then Oba of Benin wen he was in pursuit of the fleeing igbos from the Benin kingdom. Those warriors getting to ugbodu,settled....and called the igbos there "olukumi" meaning my friends because the people were peaceful and friendly and also ruled over them for some period of time before the the Edos took over and then the igbos took back kingship.The original tittle as used by the government for the king of of ugbodu is "OBI" ,you can confirm from just recently court case on the obiship stool. So ugbodu was an igbo town by inception hence the use of igbo language along side the yoruboid language(olukumi). You cant separate ugbodu from her igboness.

what I am saying is dat ndi igbo is part of the foundation of Ugbodu Kingdom and was never 100% yoruba origin and Anioma in general so when we are speaking of fore father's and birth right,that should be in mind too coz actually,the warriors were the ones who "came in" and settled ,meeting pre existing igbos . So one can decide to identify as onye igbo from Ugbodu in Anioma delta state and also those who feel they are Yorubas or olukumi can also identify as one.

The formulation and conscious deduction of this from history is more political,As those who know,know. Even the Obi stool but won't talk much on that for reasons. If you go to Ugbodu kingdom today and other Odinani (odiani) clans(Ukwunzu,Ugbodu,Ubulubu,ogodor,ugboba,idumuogo),you will observe and feel the igboness very much present.

I AM PROUDLY UGBODU ,PROUDLY ANIOMA AND PROUDLY IGBO.

I am from Ugbodu and I am proudly IGBO and proudly Anioma.
Time,event and fate has made it so

I am not Yoruba and yes I cherish our history.

I am from Ugbodu and I am proudly IGBO,PROUDLY Anioma. Yes we migrated from the old oyo empire but time,fate and events today has made us "DELTA IGBOS " as you may choose or Ndi Anioma.

Migration is not peculiar to just ugbodu,it occurred everywhere in the world.