₦airaland Forum

aribisala0:
You are mistaken There is nothing like chief director of NHS in London

but chief executiive of NHS England who is not a doctor.

The Medical Director is a member of the Board UNDER the CEO

SirVintageCock:
The lady up there is fire and brimstone.

Give it up sir. She got you thoroughly schooled

JoannaSedley:
Haha how come your director went back for his PhD here when obviously according to you...MD equal or even bigger than PhD. He attached it with pride after the famous MD degree. Yeye dey smell.
Serious Indoctrinations.

JoannaSedley:
Oh yeah Florence Nightingale is one hell of a doctor. You see why your argument lack premises. Massive ignorance on one person .smh

JoannaSedley:
You do not have bases for your argument. It lacks premise. Nigerian health system is structured using the UK model. Use UK model to compare what, where and who. John Hopkins and Massachusetts's are also private hospitals if you are care to know.

JoannaSedley:
Use a government institution as it is obtainable in Nigeria for your argument. It is just like using Reddington or Lagoon hospitals to argue when the bone of contention is a government hospital. Use NHS trust hospitals in the UK. Leeds, Derby, Lancashire NHS trust etc. Who are their CEO/ directors? Most or if not all of them are certainly not doctors. Doctors are termed chief medical officers likewise Nurses- chief nursing officers.

JoannaSedley:
This is where you are very wrong. Nigerian doctors earn MBBS not MD like it Is obtainable in US, if not, pray tell why UI and OAU will have Doctor of medicine in their postgraduate school when their graduates already have it after graduation. Whoever is giving you guys the illusion of being equivalent to PHd is not doing you people any good. Even in the USA where the aforementioned is obtainable, to acquire a PHD as well as MD some schools offers them together as dual doctorates.
Even Harvard - a world acclaimed citadel of learning does not lay such a fallacious claim
See below
he Harvard/MIT MD-PhD Program at Harvard Medical School (HMS), sponsored primarily by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) through its Medical Scientist Training Program (MSTP) since 1974, provides fellowship support for selected and highly qualified students who have elected to pursue both the M.D. and Ph.D. degrees. The overall mission is to train the next generation of premier physician-scientists, with representation across a rich diversity of clinical disciplines and research areas from basic and translational sciences t
https://googleweblight.com/i?u=https://www.hms.harvard.edu/md_phd/program/&hl=en-NG&grqid=k8Pyc_Ch

JoannaSedley:
Use a government institution as it is obtainable in Nigeria for your argument. It is just like using Reddington or Lagoon hospitals to argue when the bone of contention is a government hospital. Use NHS trust hospitals in the UK. Leeds, Derby, Lancashire NHS trust etc. Who are their CEO/ directors? Most or if not all of them are certainly not doctors. Doctors are termed chief medical officers likewise Nurses- chief nursing officers.

JoannaSedley:
Use a government institution as it is obtainable in Nigeria for your argument. It is just like using Reddington or Lagoon hospitals to argue when the bone of contention is a government hospital. Use NHS trust hospitals in the UK. Leeds, Derby, Lancashire NHS trust etc. Who are their CEO/ directors? Most or if not all of them are certainly not doctors. Doctors are termed chief medical officers likewise Nurses- chief nursing officers.

JoannaSedley:
Selective research.
How about this lady here. This is in a country where your very own President always run to for check up....UK

arinzos:
Do we have consultant MLS in those countries you mentioned? What about the pay? Not everyone wants to become doctors okay.

JoannaSedley:
Where are the doctors that are professors of pathology here cos the guys here , sure, aren't medical doctors. Am I missing something?
These guys are researchers not clinical laboratory scientists that run an evaluate investigations.

nelszx:
In which country now?
Don't just quote from the air, show and give me links where this is done and we'd put this to rest. I'm not arguing with you

Jman06:
B.Sc microbiology graduates are not trained to work in the medical laboratory setting. There are ethical issues involved when you talk about microbiology as a science and microbiology in the medical laboratory. A medical lab scientist who specializes in medical microbiology understands the ethical concerns in the medical laboratory as it relates to hospitals or clinics and is better qualified to work there.

B.Sc microbiology graduates should have nothing to do in the medical labs! They are trained to research and teach microbiology in universities and research institutions after studying up to msc and phd levels.
This applies also to pharmacology, biochemistry and other biological science graduates.
I think prospective students of these courses should be well informed about what they are being trained for while in school so that they can proceed with msc and phd after service and not start wasting time in search of unavailable jobs.

theuniqueone:
I had 8maintained a silent position since the onset of current Johesu strike but I am worried by the sing song of many johesu members on how they save patients from doctors. It is unfortunate that the tail is now wagging the dog in the health sector of this country. I had a personal experience with a pharmacist while working in Bornue state. She came to my health facility on a UNICEF sponsored program and during our introduction, she flew off the handle when issue of doctors other hetheh workers relationship came up . She boasted about how she had saved many patients from doctors and how doctors are close to useless. It was so bad that I have to give up on her rants. Fortunately for me and unfortunate for her, a young girl was brought to me and what caught my attention was that the child was in severe respiratory distress with severe noisy breathing. I quietly passed the patient to my "almighty" patient saving pharmacist to save the patient.
For more than 5minutes, she was as confused as the patient's relatives and I have to ask her to returned the patient to me for review and urgent resuscitation and the patient made a very wonderful recovery. The next day , while the patient was on follow up, I now called the "almighty" pharmacist to have a look at the patient. She was shell shocked as the respiratory distress had disappeared, noisy breathing resolved and she was playing on her own. I then remained her that what she just saw is how we doctors kill our patients.
It is rather sad that johesu elements now see themselves as the movers of the health system in Nigeria. A perfect example of having a form of doctors' knowledge and denying the power in it which is true , total knowledge of the patient.
Yes, we doctors kill our patients when we do exp lap for perforated viscus and patients recover after a turbulent post op because patient can not afford ICU care. Yes we kill our patients with multiple small bowel atresia mostly preterm babies nursed post op without parental nutrition because it was not available and the parents could not afford it. It was with a sense of immense joy that we discharge these patients after a turbulent post op complicated by malnutrition. That is another example of how we day kill our patients.
Yes we kill our patients when they present unconscious with seizures at the children emergency and their guardians can not afford basic investigation and we tidy over the storm with clinical knowledge knowing that a CT scan could had made life more easier. Yes we kill our patients who after their fractures have been complicated by the traditional bone setters with resultant mal unions, non union and chronic osteomyelitis present to us and we have to do corrective surgery sometimes in a non air-conditioned theatre with good results. The number of ways doctors kill their patients are so innumerable. Even johesu elements still present themselves to the patient killing Nigerian doctors even during this strike. I also let them know that it is immoral since we are killers and they are the patient saviours.
For those that rant that it is just 1 year dq

optm:
pls b reasonable. try to b objective rather dan allowing emotions/sentiment becloud ur sense of reasoning. i dnt wrk in d lab nd i do nt knw whts goin on there. i m speaking up against d oppression by med drs on the career growth of other health professionals as it also affects me and negatively impacts d nigerian health sector which is unarguably evident

nelszx:
Okay
What's the prejudice with doctors and those who parade themselves as doctors (auxiliaries and charlatans). Why cant they be allowed also at least they know to some reasonable amount things doctors know by virtue of their training?
That would answer the question you asked about MLS, MCB and SLT. Why shout quackery when you don't know a quack from a real professional.

Medical laboratory science isn't studied in Nigeria alone, what you are claiming isn't done anywhere in the world. SLT and microbiologist do not work in any medical laboratory anywhere in the world that has medical laboratory scientist around.
You should be reasonable enough to decipher where SLT fits into SCIENCE LAB. And by the way, everywhere in the world MLS is in charge of Medical microbiology laboratory (hospital based labs) which is a branch of MLS not a microbiology lab (SLT works there) which can be seen in science department.

Do you know Wikipedia isn't a reliable site to get genuine information from. Aside Wikipedia, show me where such aberration happens. Even countries where pathologists exist, they (pathologist) don't enter the lab but are in their specialised clinics.

P.S: which country does such hierarchy exist?
And did you know before Yayale Ahmed recommendation there was also a recommendation report from Alhaji Bello Gusau? Find that report and let's make comparison.

optm:
this bossing over is the major cause of disharmony in d health sector. i just see pure arrogance nd ignorance being exhibited by most nija meds drs nd most of their arguments lacks rational reasoning nd intelligence. u can tell from the post by most of them here

nelszx:
This is a discussion between us so I want us to talk.
Carefully analyse the two parties mentioned and draw your inference. We can discuss as matured minds and should they contribute to the discuss fine and good.

Are microbiologists and SLT part of the health team for starters?