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Habyz:
Hatred! C'mmon I've got tons of Christian friends whom i love dearly.
Of course I experience goodwill on other days but the 25th of December has been set aside by Christians for love and goodwill as if the other days are for hate and terrible things, so the question you asked is for yourself because the world's AIDS day for example isn't set aside for celebrating AIDS or anything it's an awareness day for HIV/AIDS same goes for mothers day and Children's Day you cannot celebrate mothers and children on these days alone that's just plain crazy.
Proof about the Quran's authenticity isn't hard to get all you'll need is a translated version of the Quran to any language of your choice, open and read it with an unbiased mind.

Listen to yourself.Can a man's witness about himself be taken as truth or the witnesses of two or more people?There are no supports of the quran outside of the quran.No book proves the quran.How can one take the quran as truth then(rather strange)?The bible says out of the mouth of two or three witnesses a matter is established.

Can a man have two birthdays in a year?

Habyz:
Your views on the "birthday" of Christ will depend on your definition of a lie.
Check the Torah and you'll see proof about the Quran's authenticity.
Why is a day set aside for the sharing of love and goodwill, what happened to the other days? I asked that in my previous post but you decided to leave it unanswered.

Bring the proof.

You mean you don't experience love and goodwill on other days of the year?
Why do we have World Aids day,Mother's day,Children's day on a particular day?This question of yours is just borne out of hatred.

Why?
Would it not have been better to just abscond and give the child a chance to live?

Hard life in prison awaits you if you are not hanged.

E be like say Davido don repent.He's reconciling and exhibiting humility of recent.

Na wa o.To dey follow another man wife na gbege o.

Habyz:
A birthday is not to be thought of when being prosecuted. I understand that.
Not every event is recorded in the Bible. I know that, it also doesn't mean it never occurred, but it doesn't justify lying that a day is the birthday for a great man, nor does it justify setting a particular day aside for sharing love what the hell happened to the other days?
The issue of the Quran not having the truth about Jesus Christ is based on the way you see things, since you've decided on that could you tell me the truth about Jesus Christ that the Quran according to you does not have?

Nobody ever lied about Dec 25th being Jesus birthday.It is just a day fixed and there is ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with that(except those who choose to see)
No man is born on two days so 'nothing is wrong with other days'.
You and I know that the Quran's position about Jesus is not the same as the Bible.It is the Quran that disputes the story in the Bible.Unfortunately,the Quran that disputes has no concrete evidence except its own words.Let's not bother arguing about that here.

Peacefullove:
Two gods or four gods , Many of those eating idol food also profess Christianity and when u ask them, they can cite the same Col 2 vs 16 no one should judge you on festivals . no be so

Yes,that is why judgement is left to God
Freeze and people like you prefer to judge hence the discussion in the first place.

Peacefullove:
Anything not real is fake .

keep misapplying Col 2 vs 16, aftrall no wonder many Christian eat Egungun festival food and still claim no one should judge them .

infact going by Col 2 vs 16 , A Christian should be able to eat Ileya meat , am I right ?

It's obvious you don't understand the issue of what is unclean.
How many Christians have you seen eating idol food(excluding those who serve two gods)?

Don't eat pigs but drink camel urine. Odiegwu.

Peacefullove:
Na Fake birthday be that . False one

What makes it fake?because you said so?

God said to Peter, do not call unclean that which I have made clean.Acts 10:15

Col.2:16 justifies us as Christians.The world can't judge us.

Peacefullove:
No one said you are perfect am just suprised to see you fail to see his point .

A person's birthday is the day he or she is born NOT another day

Is it not an insult to celebrate a persons birthday on the day he isn't even born ?

How is it an insult?Have people celebrated their birthdays on days that were not their exact days?Have people chosen dates as their birthdays because they didn't have a record of their exact birthdays like our grandfathers?Has it ever been unlawful?

You people are just judgemental.God is not like you.

Habyz:
The Quran doesn't claim to know everything about Jesus Christ, Muslims don't follow Jesus Christ is that hard for you to understand? You keep quoting the Quran yet you do not provide any chapter or even a verse why is that. You haven't answered any of my questions or the question asked by daddy freeze, please stop avoiding them.

You don't get.I never said muslims follow Jesus. I said the Quran doesn't have the truth about Jesus.

I answered that earlier.

Okay I will and I hope you have the grace to understand.
Firstly,the disciples of Jesus faced a lot of persecution after the birth of Jesus.You should know most of them were eventually killed. Tell me which party/birthday will people under persecution and always fleeing be doing?
Secondly,not every event is recorded in the bible.It didn't mean they could not have occurred.
Finally,Col.2:16 says,let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days.
If you understand the above Scripture,you understand all.

I hope he will assembly a good team to manage his government.
Football should develop there naturally.

Habyz:
He wasn't born the natural way of course we all know of that. Is that enough reason to call him God? If the Bible doesn't know the truth about Jesus then why the hell do you follow it?The Quran never claimed to know everything about Jesus Christ nor did Muhammad(SAW) ever did.

Then why do you follow it?
The Bible says the truth about Jesus,it's the Quran that disputes it.The onus is on Muhammed/Quran to show us all what the original message of Jesus is.

A plant has a plant life,an animal has an animal life,a human,a human life.Jesus wasn't born with the human life.The Quran says by the Spirit of God.The Spirit of God can only be God.

Is this an effect of post-traumatic stress disorder?

Habyz:
The Quran testifying that Jesus is God! Where did that one happen? As Muslims we don't follow the Torah we follow the Quran and nothing in the Quran has changed since it was revealed. The Jews use the Torah, get your facts right.

Read what I wrote again,I didn't say the Quran says Jesus is God.I said the Quran testified the He was not born of natural birth and His Spirit was from God.That spirit was not the spirit of man but the Spirit of God.The Spirit that became man is God's Spirit.
What book can bear the truth about Jesus?The Quran?If the original Torah cannot give you truth about Jesus,is it the Quran that can do that?The testimony of Muhammed who never saw Jesus will be the truth about Jesus?
Don't dwell in deception.

Na wa o.This is not the best way to handle it.

Habyz:
I see nothing wrong in celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ he was/is a great man but modern day Christianity allows us to believe that he is God, God as we all agree has no beginning or end so how is it that Jesus Christ has a birthday? Why isn't the date recorded or at least a given a mention in the bible?

There's nothing like modern day Christianity.
Jesus came as the Spirit of God made man.Even the Quran testifies He came into being by the Spirit of God.The Spirit of God is God.
He was made man and like every man He had a birth and a birthday.
The question of not having a recorded date has to do with record keeping.
Even as Muslims,you do not have an original copy of the Torah despite the fact that you dispute the bible.

Habyz:
I will take your advice sire and not generalize next time but as the person said the disciples of Jesus were under prosecution and might not have had the time to celebrate the birthday-which birthday! The one that was never reported in the bible? The person also said that not all the events of the life of Jesus Christ was recorded in the Bible, is that enough reason to celebrate it? Agreed you think that he is human and he must have a birthday but what's up with the Santa Claus part, the Christmas trees and stuff, what am I even saying you don't believe Jesus is human you guys believe he's God. I know I've generalized again but it is a fact I have to state.
I hope you don't perceive me as anti-Christian or anything, I have Christian friends and I am just an inquisitive person.

If indeed,Jesus was born and born as a man,then He must have a date if birth. Historically, no one kept that date.December 25th was chosen as a day to celebrate His birth?
Do you see something wrong with that?

Sultan5:
Very nice but here's a quote from Wikipedia you will find interesting

"Although the month and date of Jesus' birth are unknown, by the early-to-mid fourth century the Western Christian Church had placed Christmas on December 25,[23] a date that was later adopted in the East.[24][25] Today, most Christians celebrate on December 25 in the Gregorian calendar, which has been adopted almost universally in the civil calendars used in countries throughout the world."

You will see that Christmas began somewhere in the fourth century years after the death of the apostles. And even if they(apostles) did celebrate the birth of Christ don't you think they would have made all other Christians do the same and they too there converts and children. If so the knowledge of the exact date of Jesus won't still be so lost? A food for thought.

And concerning the persecutions they faced it didn't stop them from engaging in the passover. How come it stopped them from celebrating His birth? Food for thought

For the bolded part that could be used to defend a lot of things. But you forget the part where the Bible warns not to add or subtract from it. And the argument could also be made that since it wasn't recorded it didn't happen. Cause I see no reason why something as big as the celebration of Christ birth won't be recorded or at least talked about? Even when Paul wrote to Timothy or the several churches not once did he mention it. Why not? Food for thought

As per the verse you put up there no one is judging anyone. You can celebrate Christmas all you want I will not kill or stone you for it. All is this is for you to show clearly that this celebration is Biblical and a doctrine from the Apostles themselves where we basically all our doctrines today. And not something a man brought up years ago just to convert pagans or make pagan converts more inclined to Christianity. When you celebrate Biblical holyday do anyone disturb you? Nope. Got a question just answer as a bonus do you observe the sabbath day?

@ bolded,yes I observe the sabbath day.
What is the sabbath day?For a Christian the sabbath day is EVERYDAY.
Knowledge for a Christian is revelational.To you the sabbath is one day abi?It was the Jews that had one day.Today,Christ Who is the Lord of the sabbath (Matt.12)dwells in us and the sabbath is everyday for us,so I observe the sabbath ..........EVERYDAY.

Again,I reiterate that celebrating birthdays was not the most important thing to the disciples then(not because it was not important),but they were under persecution and they had the mission of evangelism.
If you are looking to pick every Christian activity from the bible,you may not be able to practice Christianity.Take for instance dressing;the Jews had a dressing style,they kept beards and wore long gowns.Are you saying Christians have to be dressed that way too? That's why we have the Holy Spirit.He is our Guide.
The whole essence of Christmas is the celebration of His birth and that took place when He was born. People celebrated His birth.He had visitors who brought gifts.

Mrjo:
Imagine entering bus with dead body, some people no get sense.

Na God wan expose am,e come mumu.

How could they?
Who ever was in the media section should not just be laid off but be prosecuted for indecent exposure.

Sultan5:
No one said feast and festivals are wrong. The man(Freeze) asked a question just answer? Let me rephrase it a bit. If the apostles who were more closer to Jesus than you would ever be didn't celebrate his birthday after his death, then why are you doing so? Its a simple question just answer it without all the unnecessary dramatics

Okay I will and I hope you have the grace to understand.
Firstly,the disciples of Jesus faced a lot of persecution after the birth of Jesus.You should know most of them were eventually killed. Tell me which party/birthday will people under persecution and always fleeing be doing?
Secondly,not every event is recorded in the bible.It didn't mean they could not have occurred.
Finally,Col.2:16 says,let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days.
If you understand the above Scripture,you understand all.

kokomaster3d:
[b]You need to go and read your Bible well. You lack understanding of the Holy Book.

Do you know the meaning of Christmas Tree during Christmas
Do you know the meaning of Father Christmas during Christmas
Do you know the meaning of Candles used during Christmas

All these are part of pegan worship during the Constantine. You are doing this because you don't understand what it means. The devil has put it into your subconscious mind, and you believe its the right thing to do to glorify God. You keep defending this to justify your love for God.

You need to wise up and embrace the truth

Yea,even to blow balloons is pagan worship.
The devil didn't put anything into your mind.You are indeed the anti-christ spoken of.

kokomaster3d:
ITS UNFORTUNATE THOSE CELEBRATING CHRISTMAS, DON'T KNOW WHAT IS CHRISTMAS. CHRISTMAS IS A PEGAN CELEBRATION. JESUS NEVER TOLD US TO CELEBRATE HIS BIRTHDAY

Christmas is not a pagan celebration .In your ignorance,you do not understand what it means to cleanse the old that the new may take over.That Christmas is celebrated on the day THAT USED to be a pagan day of celebration doesn't make the Christmas pagan celebration.
Do you know when Jesus died,He died with a body of sin?Yet He resurrected with a new body.
Will you say He still had sin in the resurrection since He died with the old body!

You people criticise what you have no understanding of.You have religion but no revelation.

He replied,go into the city to a certain man and tell him, 'The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.'"
Matt 26:18
Jesus celebrated feasts and festivals.It is not wrong to celebrate Him.

Standardcosting:
Please let them know

'And he says fight and destroy the infidels......'
Rather than celebrate,destroy is better.

Indoctrination.What has wearing weave-ons got to do with going to hell?

Jesus was born for ALL MANKIND.Whether some accept or not doesn't make any difference.
It's a good thing some non-Christians identify with it.

Sure you have extended family members.You also should have friends who can support you at least for a short period.
Have you tried those options?

Na wa o,,youths of today.

captianfreeman:
What type of gathering is that of the church . ?

Spiritual gathering.

holynyben:
there is nothing funny about death

It's not the death but the statement.