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NGpatriot:
Of course...

You people have serious mental issues I swear

Damage control.
Yey!!!!

Portor people don suffer for una hand.

The silence billionaires state.

Tueeer!

IspitonCowards:
You will be identified and shamed

Just get lost already.

plaindealer:
The reason why I bailed out of arguing with the other nuisance, they are all troll and they'll keep trolling you with their dumb, illogical and irrelevant rubbish.

They'll defend and cover up for their incompetent leaders and even come up with a million reasons and baseless excuses why they are lagging behind instead of demanding better from the people they voted into office, but, of course, they'll kill themselves and demand accountability from Osun state, from Kogi state, from Tinubu in Lagos state but never from their useless leaders.

Talk about a deplorable generation.

Well, the facts are there and they can't cover it up no matter how hard they try.

I am done here already jare. I am glad I chatted with few of them with sanity,logica and brain and not that troll that want to troll and unmask his father's mate on nairaland. :I

Cheers jare

IspitonCowards:
Lemme get my hands on your pictures, then you will understand trolling

I hope you have a hold on a very tall guy because I am quite tall, I wouldn't like to see one dwarfsfrom ebonyi or aba representing me. I will be so disappointed. . What a jobless troll you are.



Gerroout already.

Rgade:
Not Divine, "probability" "chance".
They we're exploring,they landed there and saw people and the story began.
Are you saying that the proactive Lagos State government was the reason European explorers docked at Lagos in the 19th century

And no Lagos hasn't made any effort. Ever since the capital was moved the Lagos State government has basically been collecting tax, federal allocation and paying civil servants.
I have asked you to compare Lagos to other economic Giants.
A city of that population and importance with poor power supply like the rest of the country, inexistent public water supply and worst of all,no intra city railway system. Lagos government hasn't tried anything.
But the investors have no choice. Where will they go?
Zamfara,Ebonyi or Bayelsa? Perhaps Osun.
Stop over hyping Lagos, every country no matter how poor or useless must have that one giant city that stands above the rest, and it has nothing to do with the ethnic group local to that city.
Adios.

The word ' chance ' I believe is also divine since in this case, it's a favorable privilege.

Lagos state hasn't made or making efforts you said? Pray tell, is her gov not building roads, and what of the recent developments going on in oshodo, abule egba , agege to mention but few? Maybe you need to tell us your state and let's compare then.

The issue of the power supply is not lean on the state gov. And I still stand by my word ' Lagos is overstretched hence the pressure and all.

gariepinus:
[b]I wonder who is replying this illiterate called toti...?? [b]Igbo's are one of the major pillars that hold this nation...in terms of FDI stuff SE[/b]tried...as long as it wasn't all about indigenous investment /SME... Nigeria need to be restructured or disintegrate...let's every nation go...coz we are different people in all aspect...we are not supposed to be one....coz of high level of animosity and tribalism...

Seriously? Did you just call me that out of emotion or your inability to argue logically?

What's more illiterate than a grown-up adult pulling up figures without a link or stats to back it up?

I shouldn't even bother quoting low I.q fellow like you but I just had to for posterity sake.

Dunno why people just like to throw words around.

You should be shamed of what you just wrote up there.

IspitonCowards:
You will cry like a baby

Don't ruin this thread with low I.Q mentions.
I don't have time for this stupidity. Stop trolling me like a helpless, hopeless troll.

IspitonCowards:
You will be unmasked too in no distant time

You miss road as it's obvious this thread is way beyond your low reasoning. .


You must be a kid. You remind me the days of egghead and chino. You are a baby here.

Obi1kenobi:
Sure. It's location is its natural resource. You're making my point. But people pretend they "built" Lagos due to their strategic vision rather than just admitting its unique history and location made it the city it is today.

Ok. That settles it then. God given resources.

Obi1kenobi:
Really? Examples of these investors were chasing all over Asia and wherever? Who said investors just show up in a country with their suitcases? Did I say that or you made it up?

Stop deceiving yourself. It's entirely geographic. Again, if Ogun traded its geographic location for that of many hinterland states, they wouldn't have those industries. Pretending it's due to some masterful vision is nonsense. The answer is really that simple. Ogun's biggest natural resource is its proximity to Lagos.

And I quote you ;

Also tired of the Ogun hype as if their state government has done anything spectacular to attract investment. Ogun's industrial revolution[b]

Yes, I stand by my statement because I followed the former gov and his programs. It takes efforts dude though I am not ruling out the fact that it closed approximate to Lagos isn't a blessing too it's just not the major factor.

Rgade:
The thing attracting people to Lagos is the same thing attracting people to Accra.
"That is where development began".
It is only in Nigeria that simple explainable and straight forward economic phenomena are given ethnic explanations.
When westerners brought western development,they landed in Lagos. Their interactions with Nigeria began there.
Lagos by convention became the capital of this country.
All economic and political interactions with the outside world began from there and began spreading inwards.
The first school was built in Lagos, the first storey building, the first car was driven in Lagos.
All the seaports that sustain the economy of Lagos was built by whom, the FG of course.
The Lagos international airport? Yeah same FG.
Okay, let's say that there's some special strategy Lagos govt is using to attract investors. You tell me, what is it?
Compare Lagos to other economic Giants in Africa, and see how poor infrastructure is in Lagos.
Lagos is still facing the same infrastructural challenges faced by every other state in Nigeria.
Poor power supply, inadequate water supply,bad roads,poor health care system, dilapidated and inadequate public schools and the frustrating touts you won't even find in other states; it's the same story everywhere.
Lagos has no strategy,there is no business friendly environment in Lagos. Lagos is the top investment destination because by being the gateway to the country and former capital,it has simply gotten that advantage over other states that also have the same infrastructural challenges.
Anything other than that would be an anomaly.
It's like saying that Accra is the most developed city in Ghana because of the ethnic group that occupies it.
Same thing for Nairobi,Addis Ababa, Abidjan etc.
Like I said earlier, it's only in Nigeria that simple economic factors are attributed to claimed superiority of one ethnic group over another.

Well, well and well I guess it's divine and no fault of anybody then? It could have been anywhere else but Lagos was chosen.


I disagree with what you said that lagos isn't making efforts. I think lagos is overwhelmed and so is her infrastructures.

Obi1kenobi:
Yes, being Nigeria's capital for 76 years matters. Abuja hasn't been capital for up to 30 years and go and look at Abuja now - a former remote bush. So don't make it out like that doesn't matter. The 3 bridges for example linking the Island and Mainland wouldn't exist if it weren't Nigeria's former capital. It's also Nigeria's main gateway since colonial times with the airport and ports precipitating urban sprawls. Lagos state government is not doing anything peculiar. If you gave many state governors Lagos' budget, they'd work wonders. I live in Lagos and I've always found it amusing how hyped the government is. There are historic and systemic reasons why Lagos retains its unique status, but it has nothing to do with the efforts of the state government. If anything, Lagos has the most hostile regulatory framework in Nigeria which extorts residents and businesses but people still can't leave cos this is where most of the opportunities are.

Lagos had always been but the cake right from inception thanks to its natural resource; the seas and location.

Obi1kenobi:
The SW and North Central (mostly Abuja) accounts for about 99% of FDI. I'm not sure why the author singled out the SE and claimed we've had the lowest foreign investments when his/her own numbers show that the North West and North East ranks lower and the SS which has far greater economic power and oyel money are even bigger underperformers than the SE, considering their massive resources. The reasons given for our underperformance are nonsense. The SE lacks investment cos we're the poorest in natural resources and the only region with no international borders or sea access, and we have by far the lowest federal presence and investment of any region in Nigeria. That is the simplest reason why.

Also tired of the Ogun hype as if their state government has done anything spectacular to attract investment. Ogun's industrial revolution[b] came from 2 main factors:
1) They are well located in convenient proximity to Nigeria's largest consumer market - Lagos. Ogun is now to Lagos, what Lagos Mainland was to Lagos Island. Especially as the Lagos State Government have continued to create burdensome regulations on businesses, Ogun has become the choice location for those who want access to Lagos' market without all the challenges of Lagos. If Ogun swapped geographic positions with Ebonyi, or even Ekiti, there is no miracle they can perform to attract those investments.

2) And related to (1) above, Ogun is well served by the infrastructure base to facilitate industrial expansion: including gas pipeline infrastructure to serve huge industrial clusters and power supply.

To attribute these differentials to a matter of policy framework is false and driven by mischief. If you're a foreign investor who wants to build, say, an FMCG manufacturing or packaging plant, the 2 reasons above would form 90%+ of your considerations and you'd end up choosing Lagos or Ogun as your site. Other regions are not as well-served with infrastructure. We still get well over 90% of our refined crude products from Lagos ports and tank farms while long coastlines from Ondo to Calabar are wasting away. That should tell you that magnitude of failure of the FG that have doomed other regions.

Don't be tired.

Where were you when former ogun state gov was travelling upanda from Asia to Singapore, from Malaysia to America seeking investors all over the place? For your info, I followed that gov till the end and I know what I am talking about.

Also, you should know better than no investors have in mind to invest in Lagos only to discover that there is another state near it can invest in.

Investors don't just show up in a state or country without a target or any prior meeting with the state government.

Loool

Kennydoc:
It's a combination of factors which include:
1. Its population
2. It is the commercial capital of Nigeria which is the reason why the headquarters of most multinational corporations are located there.
Even the commercial banks all have their headquarters there except for a few like Unity Bank.
The Nigerian Stock Exchange is headquartered there too.
3. It has the most active sea ports and over 90% of imports into Nigeria enter through there.
4. It has the busiest airports (which is as a result of its population and commercial status)
5. As a former capital city, it enjoyed a lot of infrastructure just like Abuja is enjoying now. The difference is that Abuja was a bush before it became capital city. It was only chosen cos it is located at the centre of Nigeria. It has no economic advantage over any other city, not even PH, Enugu, Owerri etc.

All of the above boils down to the point I have trying to establish.

One will think that now that Abuja has taken the center it should be center of attraction and all. So, I am wondering, why? Do you know the the biggest refinary being built in Lagos was designed for Ondo and then Ogun but the opportunity abused because lagos state took advantage of the situation via attractive policy and provision of land? All I am seeing is that, lagos has maintained the status quo the gov is not relented. Do you know that oshodi was an eyesore for years before the gov took control of the situation and changed the face of it?

Kennydoc:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nigerian_states_by_population

Perhaps we can start with this Wikipedia article.

Good!

But I insist, population is not the major factor here for, if that's the case kanu state should follow lagos state behind.

The question begging for answer is, what attracts people to Lagos, and don't tell me it's because it's the former capital because if that's the case Abuja should take the lead by now.

It all still boils down to the fact that Lagos is doing something right.

Kennydoc:
Bros, Lagos is the most populous state in Nigeria.It's given to Kano for political reasons but in reality, we all know it is Lagos. Before Jigawa was created from Kano, it was on paper only slightly more populous than Lagos. After it was created, Kano still remained more populous on paper. As at during the last census in 2006 when they credited about 9 million each to Lagos and Kano with Kano being slightly more populous, Tinubu carried out a parallel census then and Lagos had over 15 million.

Abuja is only a political city. It is being built on oil money. Abuja landmass is massive. The developed part of the FCT hasn't even taken up to 5% of FCT landmass. How then do you expect an overflow?
In case you don't understand what I mean by overflow. Let me explain better. When a city is expanding in infrastructure and population, if their landmass gets consumed, the development spreads into the neighbouring towns and villages and sometimes, those towns and villages are consumed by the city and become part of the city's metropolitan area.
London metropolitan area is far bigger than London city. Same with other big cities in the world.
In Anambra State for example, you will never notice when you cross Onitsha into Nkpor, Obosi, Nkwelle Ezunaka etc, as the development has moved from Onitsha into those neighbouring communities now.
Awka Capital Development Area includes Amawbia, Nise etc which are individual towns on their own just like Awka.

Anambra has never been the most industrialised state by any standard. Even in the South East, it's debatable if it is more industrialised than Abia. That said, there can't be overflow from Anambra to any other state yet cos it doesn't even have enough yet. Anambra isn't yet "filled up".
In case you still don't understand the influence Lagos has on the development in Ogun State, let me tell you about my cousin. He lived in Lagos for many years. He's a trader. When he wanted to build his house, he bought a land in Magboro Ogun State and built it. That's where he lives now, while his business is in Lagos.

Has Washington DC overtaken New York City despite being the capital of the US for over 130 years? How then will Abuja overtake Lagos when it isn't even a commercial city? Does it have a sea port? How many multinational companies have their headquarters in Abuja?

Bro, I choose to work with what I can verify and except you have one? I am sorry I disagree with you until proven.

Cheers.

Kennydoc:
Lagos is the most populous state in Nigeria and by a wide margin has the highest population density. It has over 20 million people trapped within about 3500km². No other state can boast of a quarter of that population density.

Abuja hasn't failed. It has only been a capital city for less than 30 years compared to Lagos which was a capital long before independence. It was a bush before it became a capital city, while Lagos was a very thriving port city before it became capital city. Also, Abuja population is less than 4m now. Despite that, it has been attracting lots of investment especially in real estate. You also need to remember that Abuja has no sea ports, so I wonder how much economic activities it can sustain.

Ogun state is receiving overflows from Lagos now. It's very difficult to build industries in Lagos now cos of cost of land. Ogun has enough land and is close to Lagos. The industries can thus be built in Ogun and the products easily transported to Lagos whether for sales or for export.

No, lagos is not. Do your research.

Overflowing you all often claim, so, the nearest state to Abuja couldn't tap from that as well?

And Anambra, which I believe is the most industrialized ( this is contestable thou) couldn't share the same with her neighboring state, enugu and co?

And porhacourt?

And lastly, just like you said, abuja has been the center for the past 30 years and you think hate not enough to surpass lagos already but instead ogun is tapping from lagos now?

You must listen to yourself dude. Listen oo

It is well.

proeast:
How has Abuja failed in that regard when the same Abuja is responsible for North Central's 11% and second position?

Ask yourself, if Abuja that was created from a jungle yesterday is already rivaling Lagos, then what do you think will happen in the next couple of decades?

What made Abuja to become an investment hotbed if not because it is the federal capital? Did the native Gwaris do anything? So why are you denying that the federal capital status of Lagos for donkey years is not responsible for its pole position in the committee of states?

Now you guys are trying hard to rewrite history by claiming it's Yorubas that made Lagos what it is instead giving credit to where it is due. Maybe, the Gwaris will wake up in 2060 when Abuja would have surpassed Lagos and equally claim it was due to their efforts.

SMH!

Mr man, the word ' fail ' in this case doesn't necessarily mean, failure '.

I used the word ' regard ' to establish a point. Llool

My point being, since you are flexing so much muscle shouting ' Lagos, Lagos factor about ' I simply asked, if abuja has been the Capital for the past 20 years now how come it has failed to surpass Lagos?


Yoruba has the right to claim every shit in fact it that's not even opened for argument because they are the one at the aim of the gov and leadership of lagos.

proeast:
Who told you that Anambra is the most industrialized state in the SE?

Also, is their any other state in Nigeria where everything is concentrated the way it is concentrated in Lagos?

Remove Ogun state from being next door to Lagos, and you will have another Osun. Replace it with Kogi state or any other random state and see if that state won't be in the same position where Ogun state is. Ask yourself, did any of the mediocre governors that ruled Ogun state do anything spectacular?

You people will see the truth and still be running around like headless chicken.

Well, . If it's not Anambra there got to be one state in the region that's most industrialized and yes, it doesn't matter which the 5 anyway. The truth and point I am driving at is, you can't give or claim what you don't have.

We should remove ogun and will we have another osun? Osun that top the least poverty-ridden above all your states combine?

Like I said, everything about you is delusion and poured out illogical reasoning.

Kennydoc:
The business friendly environment talk is all fluke. There is no difference between the South East and other regions. Lagos and Ogun did well cos of Lagos. North Central tried because of Abuja. All other states performed poorly. It's absolutely senseless to single out South East.

If it's about population you mean by lagos, is Lagos the most populated state in Nigeria?

If it's about being the former capital then why has Abuja failed in this regard?

When we talk about Lagos factor, what's this factor exactly, and how come Ogun state is now the most industrialized state, above Lagos? R
Keep in mind that SS is the most blessed region even above SW in terms of wealth. So, I really don't get this lagos factor that many and you talk about often.

proeast:
Your problem is obviously inability to read and comprehend.

Yes, I said that Lagos is responsible for the SW bogus figure and that's an irrefutable fact!

Yes, I said that Ogun state is snapping the overflow from the over congested Lagos and that's an irrefutable fact too!!

So, what's your argument exactly??

So, the neighboring state to Anambra which happened to be the most industrialized state in the whole SE couldn't take a queue from her Lagos counterpart.

Audio man. You are known for your self-appraise and delusion mention on nairaland anyway.

Kennydoc:
Did I ever imply that South East was higher than South South? I said other regions didn't necessarily do well.

If South South could only attract 0.5% despite having coastal states with sea ports, being oil producing states, having Rivers State which is the 2nd richest state in Nigeria, and having 6 states (instead of 5 states of South East), then nobody should abuse South East for attracting only 0.22%.

You are partially right but not really as SS being being a rich or oil producing state isn't the factor here, it should be business friendly-environment or location.

plaindealer:
Going by your population logic, why is 5 million population Akwa Ibom attracting investments left and right? Or Akwa Ibom is also close to Lagos like Ogun state?

Too many lame and ridiculous excuses..

I guess you mean, SS.