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Kobojunkie:
The thief did not enter into the Kingdom of God because as Jesus Christ made clear, except a man be born again, He cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. The thief on the cross was an Israelite and according to God's Old Law, salvation from Death was granted to all those who obey God's rule in Ezekiel 18 vs 1 - 32 and Ezekiel 33 vs 10 - 20 which is what the thief obeyed instead.

God's Word is only complicated when you make no real attempts at using your head in comprehending it as God commands that you do.

What's the kingdom of God and where is it?

Secondly, You can't use your head to comprehend scripture, you need to first understand what the scripture is, why was it given and how. If you don't understand these 3, you have no idea what the letters in the Scripture mean and just in case you think you know what the letter mean, lemme remind you that you don't know the letters as the pharisees, saducees and the scribes, the sanhedrins and all, they knew the torah and Talmud yet they had no idea of what salvation was, of what Gospel was, they had no life(according to the words of Jesus in John 5: 39 - 40).

Dtruthspeaker:
"He does not believe that does not live according to his belief" Thomas Fuller.

The thief still did many things.

He gave justice where Jesus got injustice. He gave light while Jesus was plunged into darkness He condemned the evil while honouring and respecting the good.

Therefore, thief gave righteousness and did it

The thief did to Jesus what Jesus came to do for us.

Jesus gsve the good and got the good according to The Law!

That is why the thief made it.

So are your deeds good or evil?

The Law shall Judge

Please stop bring your Thomas fuller quote like it's a scripture verse. The thief gave righteousness? Someone who was unrighteous gave righteousness? Didn't know you can give what you don't have. Indeed, he gave it. Show me where it is said that by your good deeds/works, you shall be saved?. The scripture that says human righteousness is like a filthy rag before God seems to have suddenly disappeared from your Bible? Isaiah 64:6, Romans 3 : 23.

The thief gave justice? Indeed, as who? He was the judge? He was a condemned sinner, how could a sinner give justice? Who needed his justice? Jesus?

The thief did what Jesus came to do, really? How? Being a sinner and being made sin are two different things. Please, let's be rightly dividing the word of truth.

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MikeofAfrica:
We thank God for the great miracles that He is using you to perform. Like I said before, it is not by your power but by the grace of the Almighty God.

I did not talk down on any Pastor but stated what the Pastor said during the peak of the COVID-19 pandemic. You do not accuse me of lying against him. The Pastor lied to the public that COVID- 19 does not exist and till today, he is yet to tender a public apology.

I believe in miracles but I am not carried away by the kinds of miracles presently going on in churches across Nigeria. I have heard how women put the stickers of their churches in their gas cylinders and the gas did not finish till eternity.

I have heard how a pastor in Nigeria was walking on a river while baptising his members. I have also heard how a pastor threw his Bible into River Niger and River Niger divided into two. He later walked into River Niger and took his bible and the river closed up and become one agian.

Nobody has verify whether these stories are true or false. Nobody has also verify the miracles that you shared with me, hence they are not facts.

Who told you that a Christian cannot be infected by diseases of this World? Is it a sin for a Christian to be sick and visit the hospital for medical treatment? Is it not God that created the herds which is use in producing medicine?

Apostle Paul had a terminal ailment during his ministration. His brother in Christ, Timothy, also had a terminal ailment. They were both living on medication while ministring the gospel .

In 1 Timothy 5: 23, Paul from his own personal experience told Timothy to start taking Wine because of the kind of infirmities he was suffering.

Hence at what point did it become a taboo for a born- again Christian to have an infirmity in his/ her body? Was Apostle Paul and Timothy not new creatures when they were suffering from different infirmities? Are Christians of today more powerful than Apostle Paul and Timothy?

You want to know the part of a man that can be affected by curse? A Curse is an evil decree or an evil pronounce. A Curse is enforce by evil spirits when the person that issues the curse has been offended by the receiver of the curse.

Hence Curses does not directly affect any part of a person's body but it creates an evil pattern in a person life or family.

In Genesis 49, Jacob cursed his first son, Reuben, because he slept with his concubine. With that generational curse, the tribe of Reuben became a nonetity tribe in Israel.

Jacob also cursed his second and third sons, Simon and Levi because of their anger. That curse produced an evil pattern of anger in the generations of Simon and Levi. Hence Moses who was a Prophet from the tribe of Levi was destroyed by this curse of anger.

Judah happened to be the elderest son of Jacob that was not cursed by his father. Hence Jesus Christ came from the tribe of Judah. It would have been a disaster had Jesus come from one of the cursed tribe.

Who also told you that once a Christian's mind is renewed by the Holy Spirit, and he discovers his purpose in life, then he will become rich.

There are different causes of poverty. When a man's poverty is a result of generational curse, he will remain poor until that curse is broken.

Jesus Christ cursed a fig tree and the tree dried up. That tree can never bear fruit again until Jesus reverse that curse. That is how the curses of poverty works.

If a believer refuses to take care of his elderly parents because they are unbelievers and the parents lay a curse of poverty on their believer son, the financial life of that believer will gradually dry up like that fig tree. The curse might even outlive the believer hence his kids will inherit it.

Never you underestimate the spiritual power of parents over their kids. Reuben ,Simon and Levi underestimated the spiritual power of their father over them. They all received generational curses which their generations are still suffering till today.

No Pastor on Earth can reverse a curse issued on someone from the parents. The person has to go back to the parents , prostrate before them and seek for forgiveness. Until the parent place their hands on the person head and reverse the curse, it will remain valid.If the parents are dead, then the issue becomes complecated.

Any Pastor that tells you that Parental curse cannot work on a born- again christain that neglected his parents is deceiving you.

You and generational curse seem to be twins of the same destiny because you keep going on about it. Are you suffering from any? Please tell me, so you can be rid of it cos I don't understand why it is not clear to you yet that A new testament Christian isn't affected by any generational curse. I've asked you for where it in the scripture and you haven't provided any, it simply doesn't exist.

A sister reached out to me one evening that she's an adult and she was bedwetting, she said this same malady affected her mother till she got to a certain age after being married but that she, in her own case wants the problem solved. I took her through the scriptures and for the first time in years according to her, she had a sound sleep without bedwetting. We prayed together but it wasn't up to 2 minutes prayer. Few months later, she reached out and said the issue started again, I asked her what's she been feeding her mind on? You can't be feeding your mind on the Word of God and be experiencing what's ungodly, she got the message and now she's free.

I wanted to sleep on a particular night and while I was waiting for my appointment with sleep to be honoured, I decided to pray and have a conversation with the Holy Spirit, I started praying in tongues and when I switched to praying in my understanding, I said 'Lord, let every mountain before your children all over the world be removed'. Immediately I said this prayer, this prayer actually came as a result of a conversation I had with someone facing challenges during the day. Immediately I said that prayer point, Holy Spirit asked me this question What mountain did God leave for his beloved children to fight? Would you as a loving father leave any mountain for your children when you could clear all the mountains?. I understood what he was saying immediately, I knew that prayer came from the soul and not from the spirit. He went further taking me through the scriptures showing me that Even David had to ensure that there's no giant, no one who could threaten the rulership of his children after him that was kept alive, he killed all of them. Even on the brink of death, David told Solomon to have Joab killed cos he could pose a threat to Solomon's reign. You know why Solomon fought no battle in his days? David captured all who could have become his enemies and killed them all, none could rise against solomon, who would dare?

Jesus Christ did the same for us, what part of colossians 2 : 14 & 15 is difficult to understand?

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

He spoiled principalities and powers, another translation says HE DISARMED principalities and powers. Since Christ has disarmed them, what then can they do? What can a disarmed member of a boko haram do? What can a disarmed armed robber do?. Your ignorance as a Christian is what arms the principalities and powers that Christ already disarmed. Your lack of understanding of what Christ did for you is what arms the principalities and powers against you. That the God of this world has prevented your eyes from seeing the Gospel for what it is is why you still believe in generational and parental curse and that a Christian must fast and pray to have Victory that Christ already paid for and granted unto you freely.

Holy Spirit told me that the mountain of ignorance is the mountain that births other mountains that God's children are battling today and that's because they won't study the word of God and contact him the custodian of the word. Recently, I was driving through a state in the South West and I saw prayer Mountains that I used to visit years back, I was just smiling as I drove through and Holy Spirit asked me why I was smiling, I told him my years of ignorance was why I smiled. I would go to several mountains asking God for power or either asking him to deliver me from sex in the dream, I did 10 days dry, 3 days dry, uncountable days of fasting and praying on these mountains and nothing happened. Holy Spirit opened my eyes to the word of God and all the problems disappeared one after the other just by staying on the Word and by applying the word. I saw people who fasted and prayed till they died on the mountain, Is God this wicked? If I'd have to fast and pray like that for me to be free, what then did Jesus do? Why then did he come? The greatest weapon in the hand of Satan that he using to handcuff Christians isn't sexual immorality but IGNORANCE. They know not, neither will they understand, they walk on in darkness. All the foundations of earth are out of course. I have said ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High BUT ye shall die like mere men, and fall like one of the prince's.

Can you see the tragedy? A GOD being dying like mere men because they know not, neither would they understand. A god being falling cheaply like mere mortal because of IGNORANCE.

Why do God's people suffer? Why do God's people perish? My people perish because they lack knowledge that's IGNORANCE. Pastors are only shouting at sexual impurity, pride, anger and all the obvious sins but the greatest weapon of Satan is not even known to many. It is IGNORANCE that makes Christians think it is by their own works (days of fasting, shouting angrily, dissipating energy in prayer) that makes curses ineffective or grants deliverance from principalities and powers. The day a Christian truly understands the GOSPEL, that day his/her life just begins.

Does the indwelling of the Holy Spirit mean nothing to you? You say that a poor Christian can't be rich by doing the will of God, you don't understand many things. All it takes you to be fulfilled in life is by doing the will of God, and wherever or whoever does the will of God have the attention/presence of God, and wherever God is, every resource is available, there's no lack wherever the presence of God is. How did obededom become rich? Just by housing the presence of God. You read scripture but you obviously don't understand it.

Paul had no terminal sickness please, lol and that of Timothy was well handled. I'm not against Christians going to Hospitals, you need to know when I speak about my reality, my reality may be different from other Christians. I said no Christians should die of covid but Christians died of covid but a zillion covid can never kill me, never ever is it gonna happen. I know who my body host, greater is he that is in me! Is the scripture a joke to you? When the scripture says the greater one is in you, is it a joke? Or just a word, or a phrase?

You said a curse creates demonic atmosphere abi evil pattern or what again self, for someone hosting the God of universe in his body, for someone being shielded by God, for someone abiding under the shadow of the Almighty, how can demonic presence or evil pattern be created around that person? God's presence and demonic presence will now be playing ludo around the person, abi?

I agree completely with the Holy Spirit that IGNORANCE is the mountain of many Christians and even I still pray that my eyes of understanding be flooded with lights of God's word so that I can know the riches yet discovered that are in the word of God for me and all of God's children. Amen

Lastly, you don't even know much about the technology through which curse takes effect. You only spoke about how it manifests only on the direct receiver and not how it becomes trans-generational. Curses becomes transgenerational via the blood because the blood is a living entity. That's why the blood of Abel could still speak even after it was shed, same reason why the blood of Jesus is still speaking today even after being shed several thousand of years ago. Judah might not have been caused but he wasn't completely free. Same Judah slept with his son's wife, immorality runs in his blood, he did opposite of what Reuben did and this plagued his descendants until Jesus came. You see? What affected descendants of Judah couldn't affect Jesus, why? His blood is different from that flowing through the veins of Judah's descendants. He that is from above is above all. I am from above and I'm above all. Jesus told the pharisees

John 3 : 31 31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.

32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.

33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.

34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

God has sent me, so I speak the words of God. I have been given the Spirit of God not by measure but in fullness. The father loves me and has given all things into my hand. As he is, so am I in this world.

Your own reality may be different, that's on you. I've again and again put things in right perspective for you from the word of God and not just human experience or a Pastor's experience, all these Christian movies are shaping lots of minds in ways that are not entirely correct but it is well. May the Lord give us understanding

MikeofAfrica:
One of the problems we have in the Christiandom across the World is the presence of extravagant Pastors that preaches extravagant messages.

During the peak of the COVID-19 pandemic, one of the extravagant Pastors in Nigeria told the World that there is nothing like COVID-19 pandemic hence the deaths across the world was as a result of installment of 5G technology.

From what you wrote, it seems you are either attending this Pastor's church or a Church with a similar ideology.

We thank God for what He has been using you to do. You don't need to boast about them because it is not by your power or might but by his Grace.

I am a very young man. You might even be older than me but God has given me the grace to understand many Spiritual matters.

Let me explain a Bible passage that extravagant pastors uses in brainwashing their members.

2 Corinthians 5:17 says that if any man be in Christ he is a new creature, Old things has pass away and everything has become new.

The old things that passes away are the adamic characters of such person such as envy, fornication, drunkeness, jelousy etc. Hence the person begins to display new characters like Gentleness, Love, Self-control.

The Bible classifies these new characters as the fruits of the Spirit. They are the fruits that will germinate in the life of a believer when He gives his life to Christ and receives the Holy Spirit.

However if a man is poor. After giving his life to Christ, he will remain poor unless he works hard. If a man inherit a loan from his parents, the loan will remain intact after he gives his life to Christ.

If a man inherits diabetes from his parents, the ailment will remain intact after he gives his life to Christ. Similarly, if a man inherits a Generational Curse from his parents, the curse will remain intact after he gives his life to Christ.

What then is the Way out.

In Luke 10:19, Jesus Christ confided in us that He has given us authority over the powers of the enemy. Hence we can trample on Serpents and Scorpions and they will not hurt us.

Please note that Jesus Christ did not say that He has or will trample on Serpents and Scorpions on our behalf. He said that He has given us power to do it by ourselves.

" Serpents" and " Scorpions " as used in the passage refers to all kinds of spiritual problems confronting Christians. These problems are sponsored by the devil and his demons. These include diseases, poverty, Generational curses etc.

When a generational curse is pronounced, the devil and his demons will use it as a legal ground to torment the receivers of that curse.

Jesus expects us to use the power that He gave us to deal with these problems. That power is deposited in His blood that He she'd for us at the cross of calvary. Hence it is the responsible of every Christian to tap this power through prayer and use it to destroy every diseases in his/ her body.

It is the responsibility of every Christian to use this power and break every generational curses hindering their progress on Earth.

Jesus Christ paid the price for our victory and freedom on the Cross. However He will not breastfeed us. He will not put the victory into our mouth. We have to show him that we deserve what He did for us by subduing the devil with prayers.

Jesus Christ is like a man who gave undergraudate scholarship to all the Secondary school students in his community. Hence for a student to enjoy the scholarship, he/ she has to pass his/ her SSCE and JAMB. If a student fails to pass both exams, he/ she will not enjoy the scholarship.

Similarly, for a Christian to enjoy the victory given to us by Jesus, he/ she has to use the power in the name of Jesus and trample on the Devil and the problems of life. If the Christian fail to trample on the Devil through prayer, the devil will deny him/ her the privilege of enjoying the victory of Jesus Christ.

You know nothing about SPIRITUAL matter and your lack of understanding that there are different types of man on earth. The created man and the begotten. The created has and exhibits Adamic Nature but the begotten exhibits the nature of him who's begotten him which is God. Every believer is a begotten man, not of the will of man but of the word and the Spirit. Just this morning, a sister who's foetus/baby was declared dead and about to be evacuated reached out to me, I hadn't even prayed for her, I only told her that she's a life giving Spirit and nothing is permitted to die around her until she allows it. I shared the truth of her reality and identity in Christ with her and suddenly the dead baby came back to life. That's the Christianity I practice, that's the power at work in me. I bet you'd have told her to start fasting and praying or better still console her with God giveth and he taketh if she reached out to you.

When covid 19 broke out, I boldly claimed that no Christian should die of covid 19, have you taken your time to study how the Apostles died? Which one of them died of sickness? Cancer? A Christian with no understanding or knowledge can of course die of cancer and sickness. I have witnessed fibroid being coughed out, I still have pictures if you care to see, someone's cancer still disappeared yesterday. A Christian with no understanding of who he is in Christ can die of these sicknesses but a Christian who knows who he is and live in the reality of it can never be infected with disease of this world. Even in the old testament, deuteronomy 7:15, Exodus 15 : 26, tells you clearly how people get afflicted and that God's people are shielded from it. Psalm 3 : 3 says But thou O God art a SHIELD for me, you know what a shield means? Please go read about shield. David who wrote this didn't have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit o, yet God was his shield, he fought battles all his life, went to wars all his life yet never for once was he killed or injured. You can be a Christian and believe whatever you want to believe, your result tells what kinda Christian you are. I produce result on daily basis just as Christ did, just as the Apostles did which made the book of Acts of the Apostles to be written. What result are you producing daily? When people come to you, do they go rejoicing as everyone who met Christ did? Do they get their problems solved? If not, you ain't a genuine Christian.

I've asked you what part of man is cursed when a parent curses but you haven't answered. Lemme tell you this, the totality of Man changes once he gives his life to Christ. Man is a tripartite being, man is a spirit, has a soul and lives in a body. With his spirit, he can do business in the realm of the spirit(his natural habitat), with the soul, he translates messages/impulses from the spirit realm and with the body, he does business in the physical realm.

When a man becomes born again, his spirit is changed immediately, the nature of Christ is given to him, albeit, his soul remains unchanged and his body remains unchanged. The instrument that changes the soul, beliefs system, thought pattern and process, actions and reactions of man is the word of God. Romans 12 says be not conformed to this world (thinking pattern, beliefs system and all) but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. How do do renew your mind? By reading the Scripture, examining the lifestyle of Jesus who's our first born, the Apostles and other Characters in the scripture. That's for soul.

The body is to be changed at the appearance of Jesus Christ in his second coming. For we do not know what we shall be like but when he appears, we shall be like him, I'm sure you must have come across this scripture and that [b]the corruptible shall take on the incorruptible, the mortal taking on the immortal and it shall be said that death is swallowed up in Victory[\b]

All the makes up of a begotten man changes. If a man who was poor, was in poverty gives his life to Christ and he subjects his mind to renewal by the word of God, his thought process/pattern will change and by the leading of the Spirit he will know the purpose of God for his life and the plan of God for him. Once he starts fulfilling purpose, how can he remain poor? Once he understands God's design for his life, the provisions made available to him and he engages it, how can he remain poor? Poverty is not even a nature or because of curse, it's a problem of the mind. Bro, you need to know Gospel.

I'm not a member of the church of the Pastor you referred to as extravagant, I'm a member of the body of Christ. If you haven't done one tenth of what this Pastor has done in the body of Christ, if you have no result to show for your SPIRITUAL NONSENSE, I think it's wise not to talk down on the man who's consistently producing the Jesus kinda results. You have no right to talk down on a man whose results are there for the world to see. How many dead have you raised? How many people have you brought out of Poverty with your Gospel? How many sick have you healed with your Gospel? Jesus did all these things and these are the least expected of we, his body to do. If you are not doing these, you simply do not have the right to talk down on those doing it. Your type makes Christianity a joke to people.

1 cor 11 : 29 & 30. Read and meditate on it please.

MikeofAfrica:
My brother, I returned from work unhappy today but after reading what you wrote, I found myself laughing.

You mean if a doctor carry out a DNA test on you today, your blood will no longer match the blood of your parents and siblings that are unbelievers because your blood has turn to the blood of Jesus when you became a born- again Christian?

This is the kind of nonsense that our Pastors are teaching and preaching in our churches. What a pity!

My brother, do you know that Parental curse is even more powerful than generational curses. You can break generational curse by praying yourself but only your parents can break a parental curse that they place on you.

Hence if a born- again Christian refuses to take care of his aged parents that are unbelievers and any of them opened his/ her mouth and curse the born-again Christian, the curse will be valid both in heaven and on Earth.

If the born- again Christian fails to go down on his knee and begged his parents for forgiveness and persuade them to reverse the curse, he/ she will suffer the manifestation of the curse for the rest of his/ her life.

Even if the born- again Christian has the blood of Jesus flowing from his head to his toe, it will not terminate that curse.
Parental curses can only be broken by our parents because they are the one that pronounce the curse and they are our angels on earth. They will need to reverse the curse and pronounce blessings on us before such curse will be broken.

Apostle Paul understand this mystery. That is the reason he advice us to honour our parents so that we will live long on Earth( Ephesians 6:2-3).

This means that any born-again Christian who out of spiritual arrogance neglects his/ her aged parents that are unbeliever will likely not live long on Earth because any Curse from the parents will be stamped by God.

You also need to understand that parental curse can only affect a person when he/ she is guity of an offence while generational curse can only affect a person when his/ her ancestors are guity of an offence.

Hence if a person did not offence his parent and they cursed him out of ignorance, such curse will be invalid.

You need to change your Church because you are not receiving sound Spiritual teachings. Also note that Christianity does not invalid the good part of the African tradition. Christainity only invalidate the idolatry part of our tradition. Believe me, African tradition is still better than the White man tradition.

Any Church that tells you that Generational curses and parental curses does not exist is either deceiving you or does not understand basic spiritual principles.

Lolz, I don't need to change my church, the things I do I know for sure you don't do them, you can't even dare. I started confronting and challenging herbalists, occult, witches and powers of darkness since my elementary school days before I even got to know the Gospel really, I've been to places, destroyed shrines and nothing has happened to me till date. My Gospel isn't in words but in demonstration of God's power. I normally don't engage people but I saw that the level of your ignorance is high and I remembered that I used to be like you hence why I engaged you. I need not list few of the unbelievable miracles that the Gospel of Jesus Christ in my mouth has wrought. Witches openly and secretly surrender. In the whole of my family, as rich as they were, no one ever went to University until I showed up, that nonsense curse couldn't affect me cos he that is from above is above all. Bro, I listen to the Holy Spirit, study the scripture and ask the Holy to open your eyes. I doubt that you have a living fellowship with the Holy Spirit cos these things you write here, I doubt Holy Spirit would permit you write them. Head/sense knowledge is nothing compared to experiential knowledge. Our maid confessed that she poisoned our food daily for more than 10 years she stayed with us, nothing happened to us till date. You don't know scripture bro, you know nothing about the finished works of Christ. You only have head knowledge, you are using sense to link scriptures and using sense to interpret scriptures. None of the Pastors teaching you SPIRITUAL nonsense would survive being poisoned a day let alone a week.

Some of us have experienced God for real, we have witnessed him, he's real to us than what we read in the Bible. We fellowship with him and he delights in us. We bring Kingdoms of this world to him, we subdue Thrones for him. A Christian that still fast and pray because of witches, nonsense and powerless Christian. A Christian that says Parents are our Angels on earth is an olodo Christian. If my parent is an unbeliever, I rank higher before God as a believer than them, how then can I be cursed by someone lesser than me even in the realm of the Spirit? And if my parents are believers, I still can't be cursed because I'm forever blessed, abiding under the shadow of the Almighty. We don't curse, we bless. Show me a believer who got cursed in the New Testament. See, stop forming doctrine that have no scriptural backing and stop quoting scriptures out of context just to prove your point.

Honour your father and mother isn't Apostle Paul's quote but the fifth of the tenth commandment of Moses. Apostle Paul only lifted it from the pages of the old testament. And by the way, when a parent curses you, what part of you is cursed? The Spirit, soul or the body? Please, be open minded and open yourself up to knowledge. No parental curse can work against me, never. You no little or nothing about SPIRITUAL STUFFS.

My final piece.

MikeofAfrica:
There are two sides to a Coin hence I am happy to learn one or two things from you.

However I want you to know that Generational Curses are different from the Curse of the Law. The Curse of the Law are the punishments pronounced by Moses on people that did not follow the principles of God.
For instance, in Deutronomy 23:2, Moses decreed that bastards must not enter the temple of God even to the tenth generation. It is a curse of the Law because bastards are not born in accordance to the principles of God which is marriage.

Galatians 3:13-15 told us that Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the Law. Hence when someone gives his life to Christ, all curses of the law in that life is automatically broken. That is why bastards are even bishops today.
You don't need to fast and pray against such curse. The light of God will shine in your life and take away the darkness of such curse.

Hence your points are in respective of the curse of the Law.

Ancestral Curses are quite different. Take for instance, a man decided to use a pregnant woman for ritual. In the process of burying the pregnant woman alive, she pronounced a curse that all the man's children till the tenth generation will die before the age of forty.

That is a powerful ancestral/ generational curse.

When someone from such family gives his life to Christ, such ancestral / generational curse is not automatically broken like the Curse of the Law.

To break such curse, you have to take both physical and spiritual actions. First, you have to show remorse and seek the forgiveness of the dead pregnant woman's children or relatives. You have to apologize on behalf of your ancestor.

Secondly, you have to give the woman's family some compensation . This can be in cash or in kind depending on which they will accept. This restitution will neutralize the spiritual legal ground of the woman's curse.

It is only when you have carry out these two important steps that you can embark on fasting and prayer to break the curses from the mouth of the dead pregnant woman from having effect in your life.

Without fasting and prayer, generational curses cannot be broken. That is why Apostle Paul told us to work out our own salvation.

Any Pastor who tells you that the death of Jesus Christ automatically breaks ancestral and generational curses is still a baby in Christ.

Jesus Christ and John the Baptist lived on Earth at the same period of time. Hence your interpretation of Matthew 11: 12 is wrong. " From the days of John the Baptist till now( today) , the Kingdom of Heaven suffers violence and the violent take their blessings by force".

The passage is a prophetic message. Jesus refered to the "future" as "Now" in the passage . That is why Jesus prayed in Luke 22 vs 44 until His sweat became like great drops of blood. That is the violent prayer He was talking about. He was talking about the kind of prayer that both Him and His followers will start praying from the days of John the Baptist.

I can give you examples of Generational curses in the Bible and how such curses were broken.

My brother, this will be my last submission on this subject matter. I'm not trying to gain you to see things my way but just writing it here so people could read and hold to what is true. Having a basic understanding of being born again settles all these funny assumptions and questions once and for all. I will try to write as much as I can, hoping that many will eventually read this someday.

Before Jesus came, the law and the prophets were the access points through which people retained the knowledge of God, through which people could access God. People would travel several hundreds of miles, thousands of mile to worship God, that is to have an experience of the kingdom of God. This was difficult, even Jesus trekked from Galilee to River Jordan just to be baptised, he didn't have to but all righteousness must be fulfilled, check the distance between Galilee to River Jordan and see how many days it must have taken Jesus just to see John (the voice of God on earth at that time). Imagine what people went through just so they could feel, have a taste, have an experience of the kingdom of God. Could everyone as at then do this? Was it convenient for everyone? Jesus came and said from now on, you'd no longer have to suffer to experience the Kingdom of God because the Kingdom of God is in you. He in another place said that there's no need going to mountain to seek for God because that God is a Spirit and you can only worship him in spirit and in truth. I hope you know that the baptism of John was only a religious practice that had no power, no substance whatsoever. In fact, he only baptised people just so he could be able to identify Jesus and announce him as the voice then. The baptism of John wasn't unto repentance because look at it, what were they repenting from and what was the better option for them at that time? Apostle Paul met some disciples of John and asked them if they had been baptised with the Holy Ghost, they told him Nooo, they only had the baptism of John, they had no results in their lives, Apostle Paul laid hands on them and they got filled with the Holy Ghost. That's the kingdom of God that they'd suffered to experience. Everything John did was a foreshadow of what Jesus was to do. Jesus said 'From the days of John the Baptist until NOW, you had suffered and toiled to experience the Kingdom of God and only the strong ones among you could withstand the rigours and pains but not anymore because the kingdom has come unto you and that the Kingdom of God is in you.


Secondly, what does being born again simply means? If any man is in Christ, he's a new creation, a creation that had never existed before, not a refurbished, not a pimped, not a changed creation but a NEW one. What part of NEW do people not understand? Before God, your life started the day you gave your life to Christ and that day, God became your father, you are of his lineage. Your Adamic self that can be affected with generational curses and nonsense died, no longer exist. The NEW you that's existing is the one born of the word and Spirit, born of God and not of man's will. How's this difficult for Christians to understand? The Adamic you had no Holy Spirit, the Adamic you was soulish operating in the realm of the soul. Scripture says that the First Adam was a living soul but the Second one a life giving Spirit. That's who you are the day you gave your life to Christ, you become a life giving Spirit. Your life doesn't pattern after Adam but after Christ. What's not traceable to Christ must not be found in you, nothing holds you bound again. Can't you see it? I'm deliberately not quoting many scriptures cos I want people to understand scriptures and not just quoting scriptures upandan with little or no understanding.

In old testament, when the children of Israel were to be delivered( redeemed, born again) from Pharaoh, on the Night of Crossover/Passover, the hosts of Pharaoh who had been lords over the israelites were chasing the Israelites by Pharaoh's order, it got to the red sea, Scripture says that a cloud of fire camped around the children of Israel and separated them from the Egyptian forces. The cloud of fire there is the presence of God. If God could camp round the children of Israel whom he didn't die for at that time, they had no Holy Spirit, they weren't redeemed by the blood of Jesus, yet the Egyptian forces couldn’t have access to them because the presence of God barricaded them, same way the Spirit of God in every believer's life shields you from curses and forces of darkness. The ignorance of a believer is what grants access to forces of darkness and curses, IGNORANCE. How can a generational curse affect someone who's not of earthly tribe? Scripture says that we have been called out every TRIBE, TONGUES, NATIONS AND PEOPLE. You have been called out. The blood that flows in you isn't your generational or father's blood but the blood of Jesus. Do you even know how curses are transferred? It is by the blood. Stop the blood flow and curses will stop.


Balaam a sorcerer, using divination was contracted to curse Israel, God's children and in all his several attempts, he couldn't. The realm of the Spirit was shut against him, he couldn't pronounce a curse on the children of God. How then can you, a begotten son, the children of Israel weren't even the begotten sons of God, they weren't up to your level before God, how then can you, a begotten son of the Father claim that Generational curse can affect you and it's by your prayer and spiritual warfare that you can defeat them? What prayer and warfare made the children of Israel not be susceptible to curse?

My brother, I can talk scriptures with you from Genesis to revelation but that's not the point here, are you before God better than the children of Israel? YES.

Do you rank higher than John the Baptist before God? YES. So, what's the fuss? If your answers to these questions are NO, then you need to go back to your Scripture and stop arguing for now. Trying to bamboozle people with SPIRITUAL things can only work on gullible Christians. If Christians would take their places in God, the world will be turned upside down. I'm a Spirit, nothing SPIRITUAL is a big deal, I operate in the realm of the Spirit always. Let's not try and hide our ignorance by claiming that simple and basics understanding of the Gospel is SPIRITUAL.

Bro, I wan watch arsenal match, make I no too talk scriptures miss the match. Ire oo

Shalom.

MikeofAfrica:
Like I said before, we are exchanging Spiritual knowledge hence it is wrong for either you or me to refer to the other as an ignorant.

The issue is that many of us do not even understand what is Ancestral Curse? It is a Spiritual problem that someone inherit from his ancestors. This Spiritual problem will then manifest physically in the form of Poverty, Barrenness, Diseases , anger, Untimely deaths etc.

Hence Ancestral Curses provide spiritual legal ground for physical problems and demons to manifest and afflict our lives.

For instance, Moses, was from the tribe of Levi and he inherited anger from his linage. That anger made him broke the scroll of the ten commandments and also contributed in stopping him from entering the Promise Land.

The Curse placed on the tribe of Levi by Jacob provided a spiritual legal ground for the Spirit of anger to torment Moses ( Genesis 49:7).

During the ministration of Jesus, He casted out many demons. He also gave His disciples the power to cast out demons. However on a particular occasion in Mark 9: 17-29 , the disciples of Jesus could not cast out a particular demon of epilepsy that has been troubling a young man from childhood.

After Jesus has intervened in the situation, He confided in His disciples that without fasting and prayer, they can not cast out such demon. Why can't the disciples deal with such problem unless they fast and pray? it is because the problem is very deep.

There is an ancestral curse behind the epilespy . That is why it started the young man from childhood. He inherited it from one of his ancestors just as Moses inherited anger from his ancestors, Simon and Levi.

The disciples needed to fast and pray before they can deal with such problem. Jesus taught His disciples that lesson and He also wants us to learn from it.

Hence ancestral curses do exist. We need to fast and pray before we can overcome them and enjoy the benefits of the death and resurrection of Jesus.

Matthew 11:12 says - " From the days of John the Baptist till now, the Kingdom of Heaven suffers violence and the violent take their blessings by force".

The Violent Christians are those that engages in Spiritual Warfare and are determine to enforce the victory of Jesus Christ in their respective lives. They are the kind of Christians that will take their blessings by force.

Firstly, I wasn't referring to you as being ignorant, I was just talking generally. What you don't know has got an advantage over you. The first thing that God did in the recreation of the earth was to declare light, why? Because only the presence of light (illumination, knowledge) dispels darkness (state of confusion, ignorance). Jesus kept saying I'm the Light of the world, he said same thing of us that we are the light of the world meaning that we are to rid the world(the people) of the ignorant state that she is.

Secondly, None of the scriptures above answered the questions I asked you bro. That the disciples couldn't cast out demons was because of their lack of faith and not because they weren't fasting and praying. Look at that scripture again, the subject of prayer was in discussion before the possessed child was brought. Please for the umpteenth time, stop quoting scripture out of context. I hope you know that the disciples at this time weren't Christians? I hope you know that the disciples weren't believers at this time? I hope you know that they had no indwelling of the Holy Spirit at this time? Lemme ask you, how'd Jesus have expected them to pray and cast out demons? When he sent them out in pairs and they came back telling him that they healed the sick and did miracles, didn't they do it by praying? Didn't they cast out demons then? Luke 10 : 17, then read Mathew 17 : 19 - 20. They couldn't cast out the demon because they were of no faith. I'm not downplaying the need to fast and pray but a believer doesn't need to fast and pray to be able to heal the sick, raise the dead and cast out demons. You don't need it.

Thirdly, Mathew 11 : 12 was quoted out of context again. Lemme break it down a little, Jesus was the one who said those words, please pay attention to what I'm about pointing out. Jesus said, from the days of John the Baptist until NOW, the Kingdom of God suffereth violence and the violent taketh it by force.

If you say something had been the trend until NOW, what does that means? It means the trend NOW no longer continues, Jesus never said until eternity. Jesus presents and represents the kingdom of God to us. He told the disciples that the Kingdom of God has come unto you and that the kingdom of God is in you. Until Jesus came, people were attempting to seek God's kingdom, they did all sort, went into religion, used the law and all but by no man's effort can he see/experience the Kingdom of God. Jesus came to show us the Kingdom of God and from that time, the Kingdom of God is in us, no violent taketh it by force again. When believers understand this, they will fully understand who they are and the power that's on their inside. Ignorance of the scripture and the finished works of Christ is why many pastors are cashing out using generational curses and lies to deceive gullible Christians.

Can you see now that you have no scripture in the new testament that talks about fasting and praying over generational curses? There's nothing like that for someone in whom the kingdom of God dwells. Shalom

MikeofAfrica:
I love your line of argument and will like to exchange Spiritual knowledge with you because we are all learning.

Let's look at it this way.

The fact that Osibanjo is sitting with Buhari in Aso Rock far above all political authorities in Nigeria does not mean that the Chairman of his Local Government in Ogun state cannot mess him up politically by suspending him from APC.

Let now go to Spiritual issues. Through the death and resurrection of Jesus , He gave us victory over Sicknesses and infirmies. By the stripes of Jesus , we are healed ( Isaiah 53:5).

However, do you know how many genuine men of God that are suffering from terminal diseases today. Jesus has heal them on the cross but some spiritual powers are preventing them from enjoying this benefit. Even Timothy in the Bible had a terminal ailment .

That is why Apostle Paul after seeing this ugly incidences advices us to take on the whole armor of God and wrestle with Principalities, powers, rulers of darkness and spiritual wickedness ( Ephesians 6:11-12).

It was the same Paul that told us that we are sitted in heavenly places far above these powers but he knew that if we fail to engage in spiritual warfares , these evil powers will mess us up.

The only benefit of we sitting with Christ in heavenly place is that we are sure of victory when we engages in Spiritual warfares. Jesus has given us victory but He will not put the victory into our mouth. We have to fight and enforce that victory in our lives.

Ancestral curses are more powerful than sicknesses in the Spiritual realm. If a Christian fail to enforce the victory of Jesus by breaking ancestral curses in his life through fasting and prayer, that curse will remain potent .

That is one of the reason many hard working Christians are poor. Generational curses of poverty are rampart in Africa.

Ignorance kills people and it's not a matter of title or position. Show me a scripture where a new testament believer, someone redeemed by the blood of Jesus is asked to fast and pray to enforce victory or against generational curses. Show me a scripture where the early Church gathered together praying against curses. Show me a scripture where any of the Apostles raised a prayer point against curses. My brother, go through your scripture and see the prayer vocabulary of the Apostles before and after they understood the Gospel. I'll be waiting for your reply.

And again, that scripture you keep quoting, don't isolate scripture, you won't get the real meaning, read scripture in context. How did Paul say we should engage spiritual warfare? Is spiritual warfare and ancestral curses an African thing?

MikeofAfrica:
Let us look at it from this way.

Assuming you are a student in the University of Benin and your parents who lives in Lagos sent you your tuition and hostel fees through your bank account.
It is your responsibility to go to the Bank, withdraw the money and use it to pay your tuition fee and also pay for your hostel.

That is similar to what Jesus Christ did on the Cross. He deposited our victory over the Devil, his demons, sickness, curses and evil convenants on a Spiritual bank through His death and resurrection.

Hence you will have to visit this Spiritual bank through Prayer, activate this Victory by faith and use it to overcome the problems of your life.

Hence if there is an ancestral curse in your family, and you fail to activate your victory in Jesus Christ through fasting and prayer, that curse will manifest in your life notwithstanding you are born again.

Jesus didn't deposit nothing please, Jesus paid it all once and for all. And when he was paying, he took you by hand and said, devil, I'm paying this person's ransome. Scripture says this in colossians 2 : 11 - 15. You died and resurrected with him, you didn't only resurrect with them, you also ascended with him. Scripture says that we are seated with Christ in heavenly places far above principalities and powers, kingdoms and Thrones, names not only of this world but even of the world to come. Ephesians 1, then 2 : 6-7. How can someone seated with Christ in heaven be afflicted with curse of men and generational curse? The you that died, the Adamic you can be cursed and be afflicted but not the resurrected you. It's not on Jesus that Christians still pray about generational curse, do people even know what being a Christian mean?

MikeofAfrica:
After the resurrection of Jesus Christ and His ancension into Heaven, His disciples relaxed, thinking that the Devil is now under their feet. Hence they fail to activate the victory of Jesus.

The Devil took advantage of their ignorance hence James was killed. It was until Peter was arrested that the disciples began to fast and pray. Through fasting and praying, they activated the victory given to them by Jesus Christ, hence Jesus sent an Angel to deliver Peter.

Jesus broke all ancestral curses through his death and resurrection. However to enjoy these benefits, you have to activate it by breaking those Curses in the name of Jesus Christ . It when you begin to break those curses in the name of Jesus, that the victory of Jesus over curses will begin to manifest in your life.

You cannot enjoy any Spiritual benefit which you did not activate through fasting and prayer.

That is why Apostle Paul told us to put on the whole armor of God and wrestle the forces of darkness ( Ephesians 6:11 - 12). One of the ways of fighting the forces of darkness is breaking ancestral curses which these forces are implementing in our lives.

Stop listening to bread and butter preachings of our Pastors. Begin to take solid Spiritual foods that will make you a Champion in Christ.

So according to you, Jesus broke all the curses but in order for a Christian to enjoy the benefits of what Jesus did, he/she has to break the curses again in the name of Jesus? How many times are curses broken? Cos if Jesus broke it according to you, what again do I need to break? Same curses that Jesus already broke? And please stop quoting scriptures out of context

Eriokanmi:
Yes oo. Sadly, generational curses don't recognise whether you're born again or not. The bible has said it all in Deut 5:9.

That's why people must pray always....without ceasing. However,if you're from a family of believers, those curses could have been broken along the line and you'd not be affected.

I had a colleague back in the days . He was older than me. I dey call am bros. He's from Isoko area of Delta. He told me one day in the office that, he's afraid right now. I asked bros what's it? He said nobody in their lineage lives beyond 40 years. God Almighty is my witness if I lie. I told him not to fret but put it into prayers and seek God's face for mercy. He celebrated his 40th birthday, nothing happened. He had celebrated 50th birthday already and still living. He prayed oo

Sadly, his younger sister died a few years back when she was approaching 40 years...it was just a few months to her 40th birthday. They took her body home. I now remembered what he once told me...I was shocked. Only God knows what happened generations back...and someome placed a curse on them which affected their generations. He's now a pastor sef. Definitely, the curse wouldn't have any power over his children cos it's been broken in his generation already.

Many weird things happen to many people in life and they'd think its ordinary...people always ought to be praying. Sadly, this generation is a wayward type. Many don't even believe God ever exists. I only shake my head for them.

One day, I visited my inlaw who told me her friend had a breast cancer. I asked for her name and I gave it to my pastor for prayers. My pastor said, she can't survive it because its gone too far on her before they could realise it. He said the cancer had affected 4th generation before hers. He said but if someone can pray for her...if she has a daughter who hasn't known any man, and can read a book of psalm which he gave me, on her, she'd make heaven. He said the psalm was about forgiveness of sin.

What nonsense is this? This whole write up must have come from a place of ignorance. Your Pastor needs to be talked to.

OnknownSoldier:
Don't you think that will even cause more confusion in the body of Christ, hence the need for moderation.

Moderation by who?

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