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pickabeau1: Amd thats the point... quoting kimco... azz pulls

This is one of the few times if any that a greater number of person agree that a shinobi (madara) is a cheat or that kishi has over done it in this case
Imagine madara had no eyes what he did, now wit one reningan what he is doing... Then what will he do when he has both reningan

sarutobie: You are complicating the issue..
1.Did kushina use the sage's fuuinjutsu? Yes or No?
2.Did madara not tell obito that he can use gedo mazou without rinnegan yes or no?
3.Did madara control hashirama with rods even without having the eyes yes or no?

I don't know what the sage's fuuinjutsu is so I can't tell, as for madara I posted earlier that he has broken almost all patterns or so called theories we had thought to be consistent he has either been exceptional or the writing inconsistent with respect to madara
And as well you'll see I have edited my earlier post

sarutobie: I know the chapter(498)..true,kyuubi said naruto and kushina used the sealing tech of the sage(again confirming what I said)..there is no confusion here..there are jutsus of the 6paths that CAN be used by a shinobi who does not posses the rinnegan eye..kushina proved it with chakra chains and even the sage's fuuinjutsu..madara proved it by controlling hashirama without the eyes..madara also told obito that he CAN summon and control gedo mazou even without the rinnegan..

The six paths was mentioned in 499.. In 498 kyuubi only recognised the chakra chains as coming from kushina while in 499 he mentioned the six path and at this time kushina's chain was no longer in the scene b'cos the fight had stopped only the seal naruto was using made him say "this is the sage of the six paths"
Sorry am using a mobile I can't display the pix

If your argument is on shinobis using techniques that belongs to the sage of the six paths (based on naruto's using the seal not kushina's chain) that's ok with me... But then we have to look @ if kyuubi was calling him the possible sage of the six paths due to his ability or the technique he used as belonging to the six paths
Don't forget it was still kyuubi that told the other tailed beast (while the chakra rod was pulled off from them) that naruto was the one the old man (sage of the six paths) was talking about that's why am saying he might be refering to him too not the technique.. Its just a hypothesis please ... Am in for any of them (whether him or the technique)

sarutobie: Kushina used chakra chains,a chain kyuubi likened to the same one the sage of 6paths used.how come kushina without rinnegan could use it? Moroeover,that was in reply to you asking how madara could control hashirama with chakra rods without having the rinnegan.and am saying it again,the rinnegan eye is only one part of the 6paths..senju,uchiha,the rinnegan eye,the bijuus,the mazou are all a parts of the 6paths hence you need them all to become the sage of 6paths.so you don't necessarily need the eye to use chakra chains,rods or even to summon the mazou(madara made this part clear to obito that even without rinnegan he can summon gedo mazou and control it)..so it isn't completely right to call it a rinnegan tech just because the first person(nagato) we saw using them had rinnegan but rather a jutsu of the 6paths..

Kyuubi never likened her chakra chains to the six paths it only mentioned the six paths with respect to the new seal naruto used on it and this occurred after kushina has used her chain, and naruto had taken part of kyuubi's chakra and the fight/tug of war was over... Naruto used the new sealing method on him then he/kyuubi mentioned the six paths....
I had to read and watch it again cos you were about to confuse me.. Pls read it again yourself

Talking about the akatski
My best pair is HIDAN and KAKUZU
And for me the strongest among them was NAGATO/PAIN until TOBI/OBITO aquired the juubi

Whoz your best pair and what's your rating in terms of their power

Kaycee7: I don't think so. Other villages have their own heavyweights.
Konoha - Kakashi & Gai
Kiri - Chojuro
Kumo - Darui & Dodai
Iwa - Kitsuchi & Kurotsuchi
Suna - Kankuro & Baki

Firestar mentioned HEAVY weight not LIGHT weight the guys you mentioned except for the likes of kankuro and maybe darui are kinda MiDDLE weight and even LIGHT weight (of course konohas not included)

For me any one of them or even two that can not take out an akatski or carry out a unique task (in terms of importance or risk) is not a heavy weight

I think madara is too much of a cheat in this Naru_world, rules we've thought and that has so far been consistent has all been broken by him.. That now he is considered an exception to these rules,
Kishi I know its your story but come on aint we to follow basic ideas laid down as the story unfolds and if changes are to occur reasons given for them?.. Hmmm now am waiting again for kishi and probably he won't explain some

SIR cum a lot:
Somehow having senju DNA makes all the bone snapping and instant eye transplant manageable
I was close on that zetsu stuff
If you want to enjoy this manga stop trying to rationalize its sweeter that way.

I enjoy it better when I rationalize though am very open to new/ other's opinion I don't do blind ones nor stick to my idea its so obvious or others idea makes more meaning. I don't try to see only faults

Now about madara.... That guy is just baaaaaaad .... Imagine madara alone making a stand against the tailed beasts, I kinda like the beast combo too that was nice!

nani.666:
reawakening ? there are no eyes to reawaken.... unless you're suggesting he's growing another pair of eyes .......

You still did not explain his use of reningan related power I'll list them again (1) absorption of ninjutsu (eg amatarasu)(2) use of chakara rods

texazzpete: After paralyzing Hashirama, he said "It is a Jutsu I learned from an acquaintance of an Underling of mine"

Underling is most likely to be Obito
Acquaintance = Nagato.

It cannot be anyone from Hashirama or Madara's era because Hashirama would have known the person...or he would have known the jutsu.

I also think in this instance madara was making reference to his body (hashirama's face or cell in him of which he now has the power of the senju and uchiha)

texazzpete: Madara is unquestionably blind. No other reason why he would be considering taking Sasuke's eyes (Madara had a stronger EMS before death than Sasuke's, and if he had the Rinnegan he would not need a Mangekyou Sharingan).

Senjutsu allows his to 'see' pretty well, though.

Yap I have read the pages again and it seems to be plausible (his chat with sasuke, zetsu with obito) but the other questions still remain.. Why brought back blind (if blind) when he had eyes before his death, and why this young when he had grown old before his death

I also did give a thought about obito_reningan_ zetsu_madara stuff as a possibility.. But I need to ask

1) is it mentioned in the manga that madara had a transplant? MODIFICATION I Just read it now.. Madara did say he got spare eyes implanted/transplanted that means he died with another's sharingan


2)If edo tensi awakens one in his prime (madara was awaken thus with an EMS) and renin tensi does not (madara awoken thus blind) why is he that young when he had advanced in age when he met with obito with the said "transplanted eye"

3) Why was this particular time of his (madara) chosen as the time for his resurrection (awakening), pa the old male sage frog was awoken old, kakashi same age as at death (heard he died too) why was madara's own when he was young without eye (that's if he's actually blind)

4) If madara is blind (without reningan) how come he can perform some jutsus thought to belong to reningan users eg ninjutsu absorption, use of chakara rod (cos it been agreed by many here that he used it aga[color=#000099][/color]inst hashirama)

Things I still can't reconcile...

If madara actually did give nagato his reningan and wanted it back for use how come obito (the claimed madara) after retrieval from nagato decided to use it with his jinchuriki yet madara was awoken with a sharingan/reningan

And If edo tensi raised madara who is supposed blind with his sharingan and reningan (nagato and itachi lost theirs at death) that's to say he got healed why was nagato not completely healed of his mobility problem. Abi na only eye problem e de solve?

I for one feels madara isn't blind but his eyes need to adapt to his new body, usage stress, or so ... Though I might still be wrong but this is what I feel or think

Me I don't think madara is blind cos with ed tensi de all returned with eyes even it has been given away or used by another (as in the case of madara and itachi) madara could use his reningan and sharingan he never complained about the eye talk

If the renin tensi is to bring him back the way he was b4 he died ie blind (assuming he gave away his eye) then he should have bn older than dat too b'cos time must have added to his age cos he meet obito don't you think?

Another thing if madara gave out his reningan and became blind (since it was his sharingan that became reningan) before meeting obito please what was he using when with obito cos he could see

I think he only spoke about his eye returning in terms of usage maybe he had used the reningan a lot at the moment kinda stressed it that it requires a little time before another usage or it has to adapt... Sasuke experienced same with his sharingan after facing danzo then kakashi

Come to think of it do we think this hashirama is capable of defeating the present madara alone?... For me its a NO NO.. Madara came more prepared and knowledgeable than hashirama...

Aint it time hashirama and tobirama fight as a duo at least against madara... And am beginning to wish madara awaken his brother so we can just start these battle again

firestar: Where is Orochimaru and Kabuto-the lesser evils?
And Tenzou?

Orochimaru should still be cutting down tree I wonder if he needs the wood for a carpentry work or heating up his home
He is one under used shinobi since his return

Some expectations not/yet to be fulfilled and also some weak jutsus
1) Naruto : expected that before or at least durring the war he should have learnt to use his second element possibly water or fire
2) Sarutobi: expected to see how sarutobi came back to life after being hit by the same ball that took off minato's hand permanently (if its a clone when was it done)
3) Yamato: I dint read about his death
4)Kiba: a shinobi with just one move don't know the name but it sounds lik "bazuka" (you can help with that)
5)Ino: her minds transfer is too risky she dies if the agent dies during the transfer and surfer same pain with the agent
6).... More from you if you feel same..

Well I think its not that easy giving everyone a good fighting scene... Cos Some persons should be sipping some tea right now
Temari, Omoi, should have made it safely back home by now cos am sure they left when kishi forgot abt them
Kiba and shino I think should have gone home too if not that naruto needed more hands to throw the rasengan against obito
Sarutobi should return to the tomb (after rescuing naruto he went on another break like he did before the naruto thing or is he waiting for naruto to be in danger again) cutting tree- he is a HOKAGE for kishi sake

Lord Bee has been under used since the alliance shinobi arrived he is jinchuriki a great shinobi and his tailed beast is second only to the nine tails (according to kurama)
Suigitsu should not have shown up in the battle ground if not that he plans to "break them (sasuke and karin) apart"

Some other rated shinobis there are just been under used the likes of orochimaru, tobirama, minato (though he has played some singular role and hopefully about to do something soon)

I watched the last anime episode again.... Seems like it was never relayed to HQ that itachi an EDO TENSI is now on the side of the allied shinobi and what his new mission was any idea why

Guys you should be talking about the new episode of naruto now and not these stuffs... Ep 657 is out... And madara is doing his thing, he's really a great shinobi, I still wonder how hashirama was able to defeat him...

@ rapmike... He still could have been the juubi's jinchuriki as an ET just like the other jichurikis used by obito against naruto I think.. Or is that of the juubi different?

@ firestar..... Madara sure would have used his own reningan to do the awakening jutsu on the uchiha clan cos am sure that wasn't obito's plan or should I say the jutsu is limited for use by only the living (ET barred)

Am just trying to figure out what madara's plan is b4 kishi dishes it.. Bt if I can't... Hmm I'll wait

SageNaruto: Why did u say dis?!
Do u mean d trend's or d year's?!

This is the second time you are responding to statement that talks about last (either days or month) are you that scared?... Guess you need to put somethings right so you'll know you still have hope of a better tomorrow

All I see is disadvantage... Feel his skin dance? Whats that! Now he's got limited chakara, can be injured... Though I've got the feeling that since he's got a bit of hashirama's ability and with his vast knowledge he might be able to do the healing thing but what's that ability if the limb is cut off in the fight...
Sure madara is grossly disadvantaged against the 4 ET kage + 5 living kages + kage nominees (kakashi,naruto.sasuke. Etc) oh plus the tailed beast too
Kishi plz give me a clue... What's madara's plan cos he must have a plan and a possible hidden jutsu with which to tackle all these..

These days it seems we've got little-to-nothing to talk about the thread moves so slow.


I have been thinking about this..... What advantages does this new Madara have over the ET Madara

Lord Orochimaru: Anyone notice the young madara never used susano'o in his battle against hashi at final valley?

Yea I did notice.... he used susano on the tailed beast, you have already said you prefer the anime just wait a lil more weeks the anime will get there

I don't understand why madara had to become a human, he has got kages to fight and lots of stubborn subordinates not to mention 4 ET kages, how will he get through with it

Tosyn007: He has the chakra to use the rinnegan no doubt...but where did he get the Senju and Uchiha part?

Awakening the rinnegan is gonna require a whole lotsa explanations from Kishi

Did you request for a whole lot of an explanation when nagato being an uzumaki used the reningan? Its just a little explanation either through a flash back or kishi decides to use one episode to explain how many of the clans were formed then u'll be surprised to see how the senju. Uchiha and uzumaki relates
Or he simply puts in another condition necessary for the use of a reningan at best we cry "foul"

Brisingr: Cause only one person is known to have the ability to manifest a rinnegan and that was the Sage whose genetic material spawned the Senju and Uchiha bloodline.
Naruto only has the Senju side if it was revealed their is an Uchiha in his line maybe this will be possible
Another scenario that I fill is possibly but I hope Kishi doesn't thread this path is the Foretold child prophecy that would possess the rinnegan in time of strife since we now know that Pein/Nagato got is Via Transplant Naruto is the only candidate I hope it doesn't go down this way.

Please when was it mentioned that nagato's reningan was via transplant? Obito (as madara) only mentioned he gave nagato the reningan. how that was done no mention of it exist as for the statement "I gave him the reningan" it could mean the transplant yes but could also refer to others parts he played to make him awaken it for example sending the guy that attacked yahiko which pushed nagato to awaken the reningan
(A lecturer could brag about giving you knowledge not because he transplanted knowledge into your head but the roles he played like teaching and pushing you to your limits with assignments and test until you learnt it)

My pick is this if madara awoken the reningan b4 his death and "transplanted" an awakened reningan to nagato why was it not seen before the yahiko event
For me that's because he just awoken the reningan he had

Thus if nagato (an uzumaki) can wield a reningan (transplanted or inherited at birth) then naruto would be most likely to do same cos if nagato has the body so would naruto... I'll say it again all kishi needs is take us on a flash back.. Talaa.. "This is why he has the eyes"
But I don't care abt naruto getting it or not

All the blabs about who gets the eye or not depends solely on kishi he could just take us on a flash back and explain how someone met a condition that makes him qualified (whether DNA,eye transplant or something new)

That being said I just want madara to take over the fight from obito (enough of his hokage vision) while hashirama should become more useful fighting and less talks

Sorry I kinda forgot your request
https://www.nairaland.com/522373/naruto-information/301
That's the latest page we are in..
See ya

GRIMM JOE: obito had gingaku and his brother 9 tail chakra and killer bee tail one of it 8 tail chakra as u can c in d last episode garra is taking back 1 tail by his sealing method and killerbee is taking back it tail chakra so how can he become the sage of six path

Possibly not from him anymore cos it seems like his part is over as a bad guy those visions hez already seeing says it all though kishi could still turn the table again... But am looking at it more from madara doing something not obito

tayoccu: Define fight? Cos the only people on ur list that haven't done an offensive jutsu are Karin, and Suigetsu.
Hashirama is fighting on 2 fronts, Kakashi fought against Obito till right b4 he became juubi's Jinchuriki, Hizuren was involved it the battle against Obito till he got zapped, but he's back now (with his staff, I'd love to see the real version again), Guy fought against Obito and Madara (remember the afternoon Tiger madara and his susanoo chopped), Oro and Juugo have started contributing offensively.

I know they did all that ... But come on you wouldn't call what some of them did as fighting looking at it from their potential and ability...

Orochimaru for example looking at his ability will u say that's a fight that's worth him being brought to the scene

the third hokage he has not done enough to worth hez been brought to the war with edo-tensi

And will you rate hashirama based on what you have seen so far like that's what you expect of the strongest shinobi?

And as for kakashi and guy Its been a while they ought to return (at least kakashi should be back maybe guy is still suffering from pains after opening gates)

These are why I say they should be giving a better fight (for some) than what we've seen so far, and returning to the scene for others