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CoolUsername:
Not to mention that all the people who got shot were white. So why even bring race into this matter?

because a black man in similar scenario crossing state lines and gunning people at a MAGA or proud boys or oathkeepers rally will most likely not have lived beyond the night much less make it to court to give account of events from his own perspective

CoolUsername:
Dude was being chased by an angry mob. One of them shot in the air. Rosenbaum, a convicted sex offender with 11 counts of child molestation whose victims were boys aged between 9 and 14 and whose crimes include forced sodomy charged at him and went for his gun. Of course he got clapped. Anthony Huber, another ex-con with a domestic violence charge under his belt who kicked Kyle in the face and bashed him in the head with a skateboard also got clapped. Finally Gaige Grosskreutz, another ex-con who was illegally carrying a concealed pistol in an open-carry state, and whose gun license had expired pointed his weapon at Kyle and got shot in the arm. Kyle then retreated after his assailants were taken care of.

Textbook self-defence

how does rosenbaum being allegedly a convicted sex offender, and Anthony Huber having a domestic violence charge validate their murder by this bastard son of a thousand multigenerational whores? I trust my naija, get exonerated, v for vendetta. Blood must surely pay for blood, but what is my own? America na different cruise

benalvino3:
The media has destroyed the United States since Obama. Also, the Jury is deliberating.

oh just shut up! Minion of Belial! Shameless cvnt of a liar!

Nastymods:
Ya donkey isa not have tha time but Isa still looking for tha talk since yesterday. Ya donkey, you Isa clown donkey

if you're begging me to forgive them do it on bended knees dogpostle

benalvino3:
again, he is lying saying it does not exist.
you have been saying that and we all know it.

Mr liar, he has been saying that and you can't prove it? How many more lies do you need to secure a meeting with the devil?

DissTroy:
[s]

[Mic check, sound check: One, two; one, two. Let's go. ]

Yes, it's Buda the Luna/
Slippery with the lies like tuna/
Odogwu of lies, no Burna/
Boy runs from the truth like Puma

Oh, well, he's got IQ of like 15+/
Not to worry, he's just like Baba60+/
The deadbeat who sired children numbering like 15+/
Irresponsible yet thinks sharing sperm makes him Santa Claus

And there's Wipsy supposed Ethereal/
Living a doomed life like that classic movie - Apoti Eri /
Should be bundled to Mount. Zion to solve his case/
Actually, he'd need that to cure his craze

Clowning band of misfits/
Throwing tantrums amidst fits/
Credibility alive like 6 feet/[/s]
With cumulative IQ less than fifty

'

Oh the irony of the bolded! Einsteinian IQ at its finest.......parody!

And oh, Belial father of ****** I'm sure by your children we know what all that drivel is worth

And oh DissTroy, I can outdiss you flawlessly and effortlessly if I wanted to, but that would be me doing a you, I won't stoop that low, calling you by your real name is enough for me, I'm sure when the ban of a certain moniker you have been running away from expires you will get your just desserts, ignoramus forming lyricist on nairaland

Nastymods:
ya donkey, ya got beat. ya lie constantly. ya hide in tha closet and cry. ya pained and ya keep responding. ya lose, let it go. ya pained, take tha paracetamol. ya isa lose and ya always isa lose.

olodo oya what is/are the theory/theories of gravity?

Nastymods:
They isa not here right now, ya Isa here still here engaging isa them but ya isa still tell us ya isa not waste tha time engaging isa them. Ya isa bipolar donkey

besides remind your leash holder benalvino3 that we are all still waiting for the theory(ies) of gravity! Idi0ts forming smart on nairaland

benalvino3:
He says I waste his time and does not have time to waste but look at him browsing Nairaland taking screenshots of unrelated stuff. Take a break, you win in defeat

time to engage you no
Time to make a cautionary tale out of you yes. Bloody shameless liar!

benalvino3:
You win. Go rest. You no get time to waste but you have been wasting what you don't have. Go rest.

this isn't an apology, an apology for your blatant lies is what is required bloody liar!

Nastymods:
Ya donkey, ya just engage benaldino. Ya ah crazy mad donkey

Budaatum ya see tha smiggle tha isa give you isa advice

I have engaged your idi0TS, they're unworthy of my time, I tolerate you because of the function you serve which is comic relief

In addition the idi0t benalvino3 was equating a social theory to a scientific law, I immediately called it false equivalency, because I didn't go into a lengthy lecture defining theories and laws he assumes he knows anything about anything better than me, even till now, the bozo is yet to fully grasp what a theory actually means and implies and yet he believes I should engage him on CRT without him admitting and apologising for his lies first

budaatum:
You keep convincing yourself that you are not the one lying. Good thing is most here don't rely on your blind eyes to observe what they can clearly see for themselves.

DissTroy, benalvino3 and the lot are shameless barefaced liars! You know them, why do you still engage them? Simply brand them and move on! Leave their shaming to me

benalvino3:
laugh at your ignorance on a subject you debate.

After your conversation with DissTroy shown below naturally culminated in you rightly saying racism is normal in America you want us to believe the culmination was just sacarsm and not another fact as seen from your perspective, the rest of that exchange might as well be sacarsm bloody shameless liar! Who the hell do you take me for? Your brainless conservative fanboys here! Continue with your jesting jester! I will canvass for laughs and applauding to boost your moral!
You think throwing CRT into it is going to goad me into wasting more time with you? Bloody liar!

benalvino3:
[s]
shut up, you make too much noise. you don't want to engage me but see the long stuff you write for me. Make up your mind, stop confusing yourself.



Hmm, the more racists encounter a different race, the more cases of racism you will get. no one will dispute this, but your words are "FOR RACISM TO OCCUR" there has to be a history of Subjugation. AGAIN, that is dumb and since you are saying it is part of the reasons why Racism is normal in America, I am saying to you that the UK meets all the standards the US meets but I laughed watching you shift the goal post, especially when you said they are addressing it


you are sounding like a victim, my victim. Don't worry, I am not pulling stunt on you, you are just desperate.


Pardon me for calling out your bullshit.



my argument is spot on. You don't know Derrick Bell because you don't know the meet of what you are discussing. I have never seen you put a source or citation here because 99% of what you are saying is out of your ass.




the bold are you contradicting yourself again. I don't care what you call it. Like I told you, your opinions don't matter. I already showed you examples of the UK crying racism, systemic racism, subjugated blacks, etc. and you excused that. again,


https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/56591022

you cannot take away their victim card. How will budaatum give his excuses for his short-coming?





Lmao, You now take sarcasm as serious facts. God help your desperation. but see the quote



that's because it is not according to me. I wrote that making fun of CRT. I have made the point here already that CRT teaches it is normal. if you have any idea about CRT you would have understood my sarcasm. But how come you are taking Sarcasm seriously? I am still surprised

I hope everyone can see what a clueless, shameless, barefaced liar this bozo called benalvino3 is! He can't even keep track of his own comments, I response to this I told him he knew why it was normal in America and that led to his question of why it was normal in America and not in other countries which led to my subsequent response and even that question he is trying to pretend doesn't imply he has accepted that racism is normal in America! Garbage piece of a noisemaker excuse for a human being! By virtue of this denial you have lost all credibility! I thought your lying days were in the past now I know better



Finally, you get it. so now you see I was not comparing Humans to planets.

[s]Stupid individual forming smart! I am your intellectual superior yesterday, today and forever and you are unworthy to lace my intellectual boots!

I have wasted enough time with a bloody liar like you[/s] [/s]

ladies and gentlemen! Benalvino3 was joking! We have a new thread jester now! Please feel free to laugh and clap in encouragement

benalvino3:
DissTroy come and carry your student. he has missed his classroom

fortunately for him, budaatum is not looking to enrol in any program awarding degrees for lying! We are not trying to be liars like you

budaatum:
You really need to realise this when responding to them. Their sole intention is to waste your time just as they waste their's.

I noticed that, that is why I insist on streamlining the scope of my conversation with them because without that strict limitation they will change the narrative, introduce tangential issues, reinterpret things to suit whatever agenda they have and go on and on a migration with no defined destination. Generally just waste your time and when you're tired of engaging they claim they out debated you with superior arguments

PrideofLincoln1:
That guy is well known here as a pathological liar and you will get no where with him because his lies are the truths to him.

it is truly shocking! Especially the boldness of it! He was assuming I had poor short term memory

gambojimeta:
You sir Isa geti times. Mo Dan 4 peoples here ah Calley him ah liar sevral Timess. I Isa suprize dat you Isa jas kno dati Jabulani headed donkey Isa liar kikikikiki

Wheni peoples Isa lie, dey Isa forget da pasttt lies they ah tell. Lies ah fery difficalt ta protekt

I am shocked he could boldly deny he claimed racism is normal in America! Imagine the boldness!

Nastymods:
when ya lose ya run. Ya will not engage but ya still wrote ah book in responding
Ya bipolar

He won! heee You lost! haw He won! heee You lost! haw He won! heee You lost! haw He won! heee You lost! haw He won! heee You lost! haw

I'm I missing anything new my dogpostle?

First you shout "I WON! I WON!" then your faithful parrot parrots you "HE WON! HE WON!" is this the best you can do?

I guess benalvino3 is your second puppeteer, where is gambojimeta with the dog meme showing you suctioning DissTroy's crack, he should add benalvino3 to it too

benalvino3:
My rebuttal to WispyEthereal continues:


But CRT says view everything from the lens of racism. So it's not anything, it's everything.



You have to agree with nonsense we know




I don't understand what you mean here. Trash the issue below



I don't care about your words. Bring sources that specifically says racism can only happen when what you wrote is met. Source please.


Keep quiet, you said there has to be another race in significant number. Seems like you don't know it can't keep track of your own arguments.

the idiot that you are thinks I will continue to engage you in your deliberate stupidity to waste my time since you have all the time in the world to waste.
For those who can read and understand, my comment was made in the context of normalisation of racism and the reason is simple, when there is a subject race for racism in significant numbers, the frequency of racist incidents increases leading to normalisation, at a certain point it gets institutionalised in some cases as it was in the Americas, leading to normalisation, all these was in the context of normalisation of racism but this genetically stupid halfwit is ignoring the context of normalisation and flying with racism solo because it fits his moronic agenda.
With other people that's how you dance around issues, rephrase, reinterpret and misrepresent, I knew that already before I engaged you and yet here you are trying to pull that lame stunt on me. Bloody liar!

Like I said, you type a lot without saying anything. Na you use your mouth say for racism to Occur we are not even on for it to then be normal. For something to be accepted or standards it has to manifest. You are now pretending like it aligns with the crap you said.

Go grow some sense since you're dense, we definitely are on the normalisation of racism and that is what it has been from the start or in true benalvino3 style do you want to reinterpret your question after the fact?

Go tell Derrick bell wey say whites will only favour blacks if the benefits from it. Na your crt talk am not me.




Show us, stop dribbling and dodging.

In the context of this exchange I don't know a derrick bell as he or she is insubstantial to issue in debate here, that you think otherwise is a product of your own directionlessness and your stupidity in thinking I will engage you in tangential arguments beyond a certain point is pathetic but still amusing

Call it brands all you want, there is no American brand or Nigerian brand. It is universal.

Racism is universal dumbo, I have never disputed that, my disputing that fact is a creation of yours for the sake of endless and useless arguments! But racism is definitely not the same from place to place so I call it brands and I really don't care that you pretend not to understand anymore, you couldn't understand even if it were grafted into your brain, you will rather die than understand this truth so who cares?

Lmao, how with your super genius brain you want me to prove claim I did not make? Where did I ever say racism is normal any where? How does me asking why racism is normal in US and not other countries translate to me having to me haven to prove it is normal in other country? You get sense at all? I clearly don't believe it's normal in the US to begin with. Wow

Wow, so you didn't say so?

Who was this replying to DissTroy below?

benalvino3:
Racism is normal, it is a normal part of (American) life.

I don't know why so people are trying to eradicate it

I guess this is benalvino3's ghost you pathological lying retard! Racism is normal in America according to you yet you didn't claim it is normal anywhere not even America right? Seems you lie so much you can't keep track of your lies! Shame on you but you've never had shame have you?
I hope everyone can see what a clueless, shameless, barefaced liar this bozo called benalvino3 is! He can't even keep track of his own comments, I response to this I told him he knew why it was normal in America and that led to his question of why it was normal in America and not in other countries which led to my subsequent response and even that question he is trying to pretend doesn't imply he has accepted that racism is normal in America! Garbage piece of a noisemaker excuse for a human being! By virtue of this denial you have lost all credibility! I thought your lying days were in the past now I know better

Just keep showing yourself that you don't understand the word Theory.

Theory is applied the same way scientifically. It deals with evidence explaining what we experience. I am not comparing humans to gravity or planets. When new evidence comes out, the theory has to change.



Yes, you have heard of Delgado after I mentioned him to you

oh shut up, theories are postulations to explain phenomena that are not fully understood and that is why there can be multiple theories on any issues, laws on the other hand are taken as established facts that when subjected to standardised tests will yield exactly the same results over and again irrespective of time and place dumbo! It is you who definitely doesn't understand what a theory is and that is why you wanted to foolishly employ false equivalence in equating a theory to a law!

Stupid individual forming smart! I am your intellectual superior yesterday, today and forever and you are unworthy to lace my intellectual boots!

I have wasted enough time with a bloody liar like you

benalvino3:
your words


your words

benalvino3:
how is racism Normal in America but not in Japan, Nigeria, England, Canada, Brazil, Ghana?

Your words, your specific question

because for there to be racism there has to be
1. populations identified as different races in significant numbers,
2. there has to be the history of subjugation of one race by another in recent history with the culture and psyche and wealth and means difference inherent from such history even post subjugation (this last sentence specifically applies to the American brand of racism, yes racism has brands)
3. and also there needs to be a powerful political party in central goverment with a history of racism and racists in its rank that openly or subtly identifies with or is justifiably identified with racists and racism and also tries at every turn to excuse away racists acts or downplay racist acts in current time.


Feeling warm yet? There are other brands of racism, other types of discrimination too but we are dealing with racism for now. With the above argument I've made, only Brazil comes close from your list and it is a very distant second

My specific answer in response to your specific question

All my response to you does not talk about the black minority or majority group in Brazil. I am speaking in general.

my question is

Now the lying begins, or should I say continues why are you such a pathological liar? Refer back to your question, in experimentation we can ask, why is this occurrence observed in ABC but not in xyz? With ABC being the test subject and xyz being the control subject, I approached your question from that angle and answered it with the motive of finding the difference, I even went ahead to label American racism a brand to ease your understanding but I guess you can't force understanding into someone with subconscious and ingrained biases like you.

the question is not related to American racism alone. the question is why is[b] Racism like this Here and not like this there[/b]
The talk is about Racism. Your initial response I quoted above proved it. You gave conditions I have already disproven with the definition of racism

Another lie from your bottomless pit of lies! The question was about in specifics the normalisation of American racism with the absence of this normalisation in other countries as a control so I went ahead and gave you the criteria/conditions/reason why, that your bias can't allow you see beyond its intellectual blocks to understand my answer is no fault of mine.
And also by defining racism you did nothing to disprove my assessment on the normalisation of American racism, the definition of racism was never in dispute except between benalvino3 and benalvino3! Gettit? don't project your confusion and directionlessness or inability to focus on a specific discourse on me, also, on your definition of racism I tasked you to read it critically and understand the differences between individual, communal and institutional sources of racism in respect to its normalisation, did you?

who told you that you lack patients? you are here spamming this thread with kokobilo and the other trolls, you yourself have become a troll who is constantly here posting rubbish and you want to pretend you don't have time? Oga, you do. keep quiet.

If you never had a problem with your parrot before me I would advise you to take your own advice and shut your gob up! You've been down with the spamming all these while until he started getting served so you have no high horse to get down from, your tacit approval puts you in the mud below the spammers

did you cite what difference? didn't I tell you that Blacks in Britain have the same complaint or similar complaints to blacks in the US?

Did I dispute that blacks in Britain don't suffer racism? You create disputes in your own miasma of a brain and go ahead to project an opposition opinion on your opponent without appropriate consultation so you can scream gotcha! That is how basic you are. I even went ahead to reference the existence of antisemitism across Europe in my last reply to you but with the case of Nazi Germany being the one to initiate the holocaust hoping that example will spur you in the right direction but alas I could only hope.
And no, the existence of racism was never in dispute by me, its normalisation as observed through its specific manifestations was what I disagreed with you on, that is if you disagree with me and believe racism is normal in somewhere like the U.K or Japan

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/22/europe/black-britain-systemic-racism-cnn-poll-gbr-intl/index.html

the Above is a story in England. their complaints are similar to the US, they have a history of slavery, etc. if I should appease you a little. so, is racism normal there?

The above is an old and thoroughly researched story subject to several BBC documentaries in the U.K, the above is proof that the U.K takes systemic racism very seriously and is diligently trying to redress it hence damages or you might say reparations or if it doesn't work for you compensation was/is being paid to these Caribbean immigrants who were used and discarded indiscriminately, the above is proof that the U.K isn't trying to deny, whitewash or sweep under the carpet its racist past and its modern day consequences, ABOVE ALL THE ABOVE IS PROOF THAT RACISM IN THE U.K ISN'T NORMAL OR ISN'T ALLOWED TO NOR ABBETED TO BECOME NORMAL! do you have any more points to buttress my argument for me?
Oh and you lied again and that I bolded, the complaints are only similar in generality not in specifics hence the brands or manifestations

https://www.sabcnews.com/sabcnews/racism-in-post-apartheid-south-africa

And what does the above prove in relation to your question on the normalisation of racism? I initially thought you were more intelligent than dapo, intelligent enough not to introduce a tangential issue into a conversation with given premises apparently I was wrong

Racial interactions in south Africa are different from the rest so racism in south Africa will follow patterns set for it by its own peculiar history hence the importance of history and in the American scenario CRT. If you had specifically added south Africa to the list I would have mentioned why racism there would be/was different and couldn't be normalised as it in America unless you want to argue for a case currently of
1. Systemic racism against blacks
2. Systemic racism against whites
3. The ANC or the opposition being a racist apologists like the republicans in the U.S as inferred from my third criteria for the normalisation of racism
4. South Africa wasn't even on your list so why should I even bother entertaining references to it in the first place?

again, you can see the above with the source, the complaint is the same and not unique to the US. you are talking about the brands of racism, but racism is racism: so, you are not making sense. you like to make a large statement without really saying anything. And I am not here for your opinion alone, you still lack the habit of backing your opinions or claims with citations or sources.


An opinion you are entitled to, feel free to argue with yourself

And true to your nature of "directionlessness" all you have proven is that complaints of racism Is multinational, that was never in contention, what you have not proven is that racism has become normal in all the listed countries, what you have not proven is that the specifics of racism from country to country is the same given their histories
And no, I am too lazy to do any research for an argument my opinions via logic will suffice to handle especially those that don't engage me intellectually. Also this conversation is subjective and that is why I give allowance for your opinions but only accept them when some form of logic even if flawed is exercised

dude, if everything is viewed through the lens of racism and racism is part of everyday life. you don't seem to know much about what you are discussing.
CRT outright rejects the colorblindness of the CRA and argues that in light of past discriminations, colorblind legislation perpetuates institutional and systemic racism. CRT explicitly rejects the individual-level equal treatment before the law that is foundational to classical liberal legal theories.
this has nothing to do with fox news. It's a fact and it's what CRT posits and scholars of CRT argue.

Anything that needs to be viewed through the lens of racism will be viewed through the lens of racism as it rightly should be in a socially conscious and just society! Recognition of a problem is the first step to tackling it not pretending it doesn't exist and if it makes you, your political affiliates and your collective narrative uncomfortable then that is a small price to pay.
And all you listed above about CRT are academically factual and I'm in agreement with a reservation here and there but obviously you do not agree with it but all that is tangential to the fact that the topic of conversation is the normalisation of racism or lack of it from country to country, trash that first then you can come back to me on CRT within acceptable restrictions

Dude, CRT teaches that whites will not do anything that is beneficial to blacks except it benefits them. that's the point. CRT teaches it, it is not my opinion. you clearly do not understand what CRT teaches.

- Derrick Bell

In other words, the interest convergence principle posits that all individual interests are defined by and subordinate to racial identity.


it is not my opinion, it is what your CRT posits

Like I said earlier, I will engage you on CRT on specific conditions but after we trash this current issue out, hopefully you won't run away from it like you did the other one.

when you talk about racism having different brands and making statements like this
because for there to be racism there have to be populations identified as different races in significant numbers, there has to be the history of subjugation of one race by another in recent history with the culture and psyche and wealth and means difference inherent from such history even post subjugation


look at your words in italics.

Yes I see my words and stand by it, put it in the context of an answer to a question, what was the question?

you said for racism to occur. that's in contradiction to the meaning of racism. a white man can or a black man can go to china and be racist to a Chinese man, A white man or black man can say racist things to a Chinese man in Chinese land. that is racism and non of them meets your criteria

finally you read! Congratulations, maybe you'll give me less stup;d replies going forward
Nothing was contradicted except your understanding! So put what I highlighted in the context of normalisation of racism under which I gave those criteria, so yes a black or a white man can be racist to a Chinese in China but guess what such racism will never be? Normal benalvino3! It will never be normal in china! now juxtapose it with your definition of racism and the difference perpetrators listed, I told you to read critically but you didn't, individual was differentiated from communal which was In turn differentiated from systemic! Can that example of racism you gave ever be systemic in China? Answer this question benalvino3! Normalisation of racism starts from the communal to the systemic In my opinion so can it ever be normal?

As for Obama and Sears, what you said about them does not address what I said. You don't seem to understand what I said.
- Derrick Bell

this is what I am talking about. Obama was put in there because of racism, the system is racist, Obama is part of the System, he is promoted by whites because it does not impede on their interest and the interest of blacks and whites align. this means he was there because of white interest.

A very laughable opinion but hey it is your right to have it, it isn't your right to have me engage you on it!

where was the answer given? Oya show us, show us a quote where the answer was given.

For you to recognise the answer, first you must understand the question, do you understand your question Ben or are you going to continue wasting your time?

you are trying to say there are different brands of racism and it differs in different countries. your words below:

like I said earlier, if calling it brands is too complex for your brain to wrap around, try manifestations then and yes I said what I said, racism is in all the countries you listed but it is different from country to country hence the brands or manifestations

above, you can still see the cries from the source or links i provided that what people cry about in USA is the same they cry about in England and South Africa. meets all your criteria and you are still all over the place.

so why is racism normal in US and not in those countries. you have not answered.

Yes it is a given that you are dull, all you have proven is that racism exists in all the places you listed but what you have not proven is that it is normal, England and south Africa do not meet my criteria, not the third criteria and you have proven that racism is in many countries, you have not proven that a couple of white men can hunt down and kill a black man unprovoked, advertise it, excuse it and expect to get away with it legally like Ahmad auberys killers did, you have not proven that white police officers kill black people on the vague excuse of fears for their lives and expect full exonoration without consequences, you have not proven that black people are convicted at a higher rate per capita than white people for similar crimes, you have not proven that being black is synonymous to being a suspect for a criminal act above everyone else in the eyes of law enforcement, let me stop at that for now

I don't think you understand what the term theory means in academia.
when discussing gravity, the LAW of Gravity is talked about that described attraction between two objects. also, theories of gravity that describes why the objects attract each other.

Don't pin your false equivalency on me, I know the difference between a theory and a law and the gravity I know of is a law of attraction of two bodies with given mass hence the false equivalence, the theory or theories on gravity I am unfamiliar with, state them so I can maybe understand your comparison of gravity to CRT

one is humans the other one is not... but what remains thesame is what theory means and what it is used for. I am not talking about Humans and planets but i am talking about Theory in the Scientific realms.

Still false equivalence Mr man! One is a theory with multiple unspecified variables called humanity the other is, well what is the theory of gravity?

If you know anything about it you will know. Last time we discussed you showed us you have no clue who Delgado is.

your stupidity is astounding, I have heard of Delgado but you seem to fulcrum your argument around him like that should matter to me, knowing Delgado is not a requisite to debating about racism or CRT

PrideofLincoln1:
You are not going to change the mind of a self confessed Proud Boys and Nazi lover.

I am not interested in changing his mind, I just want to highlight and continue rubbing his ridiculousness in his face

zendi:
A blundering, bungling, botching 4th world banana regime is commencing the big crackdown on political opposition! Woketopian jails about to be filled with political prisoners!

cry us a river, the days of trump encouraged lawlessness are ending soon

benalvino3:
When they talk about race and discrimination, almost always it is in line with minority groups. all nations have minority groups. you are radiating logical fallacy here. all Nations have minorities.

Are blacks minorities in Brazil? Don't they talk about racism there?
Stop being verbose with your junk "radiating logical fallacy" the topic was normalisation of racism in America, don't attempt to involve and bog me down with any related rubbish like you do to others, you asked the question, I gave you my answers and the conditions attached to it, you haven't refuted those in relation to the normalisation of racism in America, now you're trying to tack the topic to racism in general

I don't want to base our talk on opinions, I want facts or citations to back up our opinions.
if racism in the US is not the same as racism in the UK. please define UK racism and US racism. Tell me if slavery and Segregation will not be racism in the UK. again, another thing you say that does not make sense.

If how it applies differs from nation to nation, then why are you crying about American racism? it was the norm, isn't it? Slavery was legal and since that is the case, who are you from aside from the US to judge them by a different standard? Or is it that it is universal? so what standards are you using to judge? you say racism is different from nation to nation and I say it is universal. the definition is universal even if they are changing it to accommodate CRT. until you give me American def or racism in contrast to England and Saudi Arabia, you are not making sense.

You listed some countries and I cited a major difference you pretended not to notice, this back and forth verbose gibberish is exactly what I am not interested in, go back to the beginning, my answer to your question, in it is the answer to the difference between the U.K and America in terms of racism in current time, if you can pretend not to read or understand I definitely won't entertain your time wasting, I already warned you, I lack that patience but as a pointer I will lend you a clue to refresh your memory, antisemitism was rife in Christian Europe for centuries, there is a particular reason it blossomed into the holocaust in Germany in the 1930's, similar reason as I have already stated in my initial answer on the normalisation of American racism. That is how far I can help you, go back and read.

[s]CRT claims Racism is systemic, Obama was part of the system, therefore, Obama is a racist.
Obama was voted in by racists because it will benefit the white man. CRT is taught in school, white schools because of racism. White people (Teachers) who push CRT, push it because of Racism, the ones who don't push it, don't put it because of racism. The white man will never do anything for blacks excepts it benefits them. this is white. (the fourth tenet of CRT).[/s]

An opinion you are entitled to, feel free to argue with yourself

it does not look for a solution, rather, it looks for authoritarianism.

Of course it does! What else are you going to quote from your Republican playbook?

Some are opening engaging populations derived from CRT to improve society because they are racist and are doing it to benefit themselves. Yes, again this is what Critical race theory teaches.

Like seriously, what sort of contrived B.S is the bolded? I ask you again do you think I am interested in wasting my time engaging you or anyone in directionless exchanges? CRT is only a topic with me when you chose the viewpoint, don't smatter your politics and opinions with pseudo academics and think I am too committed to be sidetracked by such word salad

according to CRT Obama is part of the oppressors and was put their by the white man to benefit the white man.




all manifestation of racism from country to country fall under one definition of racism.

This is a very very dull take, that I didn't ever disagree with the bolded, that I even went out of my way to state that I never disagreed with it and yet you still bring it here like it is a hot take and in dispute? you're reaching Ben, I repeat, the manifestations of racism differs from country to country and you'd like to pretend it doesn't matter won't you? Anything for agenda to agend

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.

so what is your point?

Now look at your definition, look at it critically, individual was differentiated from community which was further differentiated from institution, do you grasp the significance of that or are you going to continue playing dumb? Obama becoming President or Sears becoming lieutenant governor are token representations for their demography not the norm and it in no way dents systemic racism, racism only ends when it ceases to be a significant factor systemically

could you define or differentiate racism in America from racism in England?

The answer has already been given, go back and read

it is still racism, falls under racism. if you apply Jim crow and other barbaric acts done in the US in the UK it will still be racism.

For the umpteenth time it is all racism, argue with yourself over that, but the manifestations are different

it is called critical race theory, not American race theory. the theory of gravity is universal or should I say global. if that is a study and true study then, we should be able to test it and disprove it not just in the US but outside the US. racism is already Global, I put up the definition. if they claim racism is normal and race is a social construct, they are speaking globally.

You can stuff your false equivalence between CRT and gravity in the confusion that you call your mind, one is a theory the other isn't, correct me if I'm wrong, one has humanity as a variable the other, in relation to our planet is fixed and only slightly varies from pole to equator so impress gullible fools with your wandering of point not me and you can interject CRT a million times into exchanges with me but until you pick an approach and rigidly adhere to it miss me with your B.S

And just so you remember, the topic is the normalization of racism in America as compared to other countries, I only afforded you this digression once to clear your doubts or fail at clearing them whichever the case may be

Now this is the source and cause of your Israelite wandering and inability to stick to topic you must be fun in a village meeting

My Viewpoint about CRT is that; it is a marxist dog whistle.

A stupid viewpoint but one you're absolutely entitled to

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gambojimeta:
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Nastymods:
ya donkey don't run again. you isa talk donkey shit

go back printing your forehead on my temple grounds in homage to me, that is all you're good for dogpostle!

benalvino3:
Didn't South Africa meet that condition?
what condition will make Xenophobia normal in south Africa?
let us know.

south Africa didn't meet the third condition if you read and understand what I said very clearly, if you can recollect it, state it here and tell me how south Africa meets the condition for the normalisation of racism.
The conditions that make xenophobia normal in south Africa is a topic for another day, feel free to bring it up later but let's reach or fail to reach a resolution on our discussion on normalisation of racism first

benalvino3:
I agree with everything that thing said (kokobi), there is different race, religion, ethnic groups in every nation. Right?

There are different races in every nation, in significant numbers as to constitute a population bloc? No, just in a couple of nations but yes to religion and ethnic groups but since the topic is racism we will stick to race

No, there is no need for a history of subjugation for racism to occur. this does not make sense.
Racism is not a brand; it is universal like that thing says. I don't think there is any brand of racism you would accept. if there is please let us know.

Keep to your opinion and I will keep to mine, racism in the US is not the same as racism in the U.K and that of the U.K is not the same as that of Saudi Arabia. Yes all are correctly termed racism but how it is applied to the discriminated population differs from nation to nation systemically and individually, that I termed it a brand is just to assist in highlighting situational and historical differences of racism from nation to nation, don't chew on that much

CRT does not worry about individual racism; it is concerned with structural racism. The system is racist, so all the political parties you support, politicians are all part of the racist system including Obama. Obama was part of the oppressors; He was elected because of racism.

It is when you sprout comments like this that I make you my object of mockery, it is your opinion and you're entitled to it yes, but if we are going to pretend we are having an educated exchange do try to put some genuine effort into the exchange not make comments whose ingenuity I can decipher from a light year away.
Your style is like typical fox news Republican garbage! They are coming for your guns!
They are coming for your constitutional rights!
They will come for your other freedoms next!
They will discriminate you for your belief in God next!
Sound familiar? The Republican playbook is to create bogeymen to stoke irrational fear in certain target populations for propaganda effect, that's all CRT is, a Republican bogeyman.

On certain things you were right, CRT is concerned with systemic racism, CRT also believes that change for the better is possible, so it studies the system, its history and evolution, its current day presentations and tries to find effective solutions. The political parties and politicians have been and currently are part of the system, where some are open to engaging postulations derived from CRT to improve society for historically discriminated races to achieve social, political and economic "parity" the other is vehemently opposed to this for and only for political reasons. What side of this division Obama and the democrats in general belong to I leave to you to judge. But saying because both parties are historically part of the system therefore they are both equally systematically racist is just a weak and dull attempt at baiting me into a diversion

You are all over the place. There are other brands of racism, but we are dealing with racism for now. This does not make sense.

If "brands of racism" is so difficult for you to wrap your mind around then rephrase it as "different manifestations of racism" from country to country and yes we are still dealing with racism and no it doesn't have to make sense to you.

I don't know how you manage to measure the amount of racism found in those countries. But, I am sure the US is more diverse than England, Canada, Australia, etc. And less racist than those countries

This is derivative but relatively easy, you can deduce it from comparative analysis of arrest and conviction rates for different races per capita in the same country, representation in government, uppermost business echelons, academia and the middle class per capita for the different races in same country

Also, someone might be acting dumb here but his response to you is spot on. Instead of downplaying it, respond to it.

his response is totally stupid, you bring a certain list of countries with the question why racism is normal in one as per your claim and not normal in the others, I give an answer as to why with conditions predisposing any country to the "normalisation" American style of racism, the brain fart disregards the argument I make and the context and whatabouts me with a non included south Africa and why CRT which I said is one of the ways people are looking to deal with as you also said racism can not be applied to south Africa for perceived double standards drawn from the nether regions of his bowel! Do I look like I am interested in wasting my time beating around the bush with people who are not satisfactorily engaging?

And just so you remember, the topic is the normalisation of racism in America as compared to other countries, I only afforded you this digression once to clear your doubts or fail at clearing them whichever the case may be

P.S if you want to engage me on CRT, state the viewpoint from which you are approaching it, academic or political so I will decide the seriousness to give to such conversation, do not introduce it as a topic with me until you know what your approach is to avoid unnecessary time wasting

Nastymods:
Lmao. Rubbish. CRT does not apply to South Africa? Racism is not normal in South Africa only America? The whole theory is bs and look at you trying to redefine race.
Blacks in UK are complaining about about discrimination but only America racism is Normal and CRT applies.

The words race/racism is universal, has the same meaning everywhere. Change it one place, it mean it changes everywhere.


Benaldino got to respond

don't bring your unintelligent deductions into intelligent conversations my dogpostle! stick to worshiping me and you'd be all right, I gave certain conditions that allow racism to become normal as benalvino3 put it, xenophobia is normal in south Africa, racism isn't, if you were bright enough to read and understand my argument you won't be here fooling yourself

Nastymods:
This donkey isa crave for tha attention

and yah mahsah issa not gee mi d attenshorn ayyam craves I wunzah y? Is it because his claims of superior intelligence falls flat when I apply objective analysis to it? Is it also because he's too stup!d to know when he has lost the plot of an argument and backs himself into an unwinnable corner? or is it because I'm simply too awesome for him?