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coogar:
don't make me shred your credibility like a blender this early morning - you are talking nonsense. the truth is - paul never wrote in greek......that's just one of the western antics of brainwashing a media sheep like yourself.

it begs the question - why would we accept, with no actual evidence, that a book written by any aramaic speaker, about an aramaic-speaker, to an audience of jewish, israeli, assyrian and aramean aramaic-speakers, be written in any other language but aramaic?

yet you talk of logic - an attribute you are yet to display here. my neighbours in my teenage years were mostly jewish people......i have been to yom kippur & attended several bar mitvzahs to school you on the topic so shut your mouth.

that was how they told you christopher columbus discovered america as if there weren't people there before him. paul couldn't have written in greek - the people he wrote to couldn't have understood the language - that's just common sense.

Ouch! Paul was learned. Paul lived in the Roman Empire. it is was more likely that he had access to schooling in Greek than any other thing. Whoever he was writing to - of those who read, they most likely learnt Greek first. See, you're the one wasting my morning. I have to teach you the same thing over and over again. Also, it is too early in the morning to be a clown, alright? If he wrote the letter to the church at Ephesus, then they were mostly Gentile greek-speakers.
If you like let your parents be Jews that doesn't stop you from being ignorant. You still are. And stop saying "Jewish" and Israeli as if they aren't synonyms. Also, Yom Kippur isn't a place, it's an observation - a day of holiness. And attending bat mitzvah doesn't stop you from still being wrong. *sigh* I'm already tired of you. I think I will just go back to bed. Sleep is better than ignorance sha.

coogar:
that assertion has been debunked many moons ago. you must be new to this topic..... paul wrote in aramaic - his native tongue is aramaic. the fact that you even rely on wikipedia tells me you don't qualify at all to have this discourse with me.

http://nazarenespace.com/m/blogpost?id=2182335%3ABlogPost%3A111511

http://www.v-a.com/bible/hebrews.html

as per the gender ish - are you sure you didn't see a pair of brëasts on jesus christ? since God the father has no gender, it follows God the son shouldn't have a gender too. according to your logic, jesus was neither he nor she.

LOOOOOL. So you read it in Aramaic? when the earliest copies we have are in Greek. And every single manuscript or text is based on the Greek. But you read in Aramaic. Evidently, you're citing a minority opinion of scholars but even if this is true, there are NO original aramaic copies that you could have read. Hint: I am calling you a liar.
Per the gender point: you're a poor logic student. Go back to uni and take a class in philosophy. It usually helps in situations like this.

crackhaus:
Actually it's just 14 characters including the spaces.

Regarding the law, how exactly do men get better treatment or women less treatment?

Remember that marriage/civil laws actually favour women in the west.
Are these the kind of laws you want in Nigeria to bring about equality?

Lol! You clearly don't understand marriage and divorce laws in the US and Southern Europe. It puts the "breadwinner" at some disadvantage but only because it assumes the breadwinner could not have made so much money without the support of the other partner. Remind me again, how much does Nigeria demand that an individual from a divorce benefits? even with kids present?

Women get less treatment via institutional marginalization. we can ignore the fact that the UK laws clearly do not allow a woman inherit the throne before her younger brother or that until recently Igbo customs did not allow women inherit property. The more persistent issues are the lack of prosecution of rapists, the systematic marginalization of Northern Nigerian girls (and Pakistani and Afghan girls) from education. The glass ceiling et cetera.

coogar:
you are a big olodo!
the original text was in aramaic - aramaic is hebrew. paul is hebrew! you lack intelligence to even have a discourse as sensitive as this - telling me God the father has no gender....God the son has no gender?

You're still here. I am tired of you. You're still arguing your ignorance. The New testament was written in Greek. This is evidence that you haven't studied anything.

coogar:
so God the father is a she?

By the way, what does gender-neutral have to do with she?
Neutral is neutral, not he, not she. *sigh*

coogar:
so God the father is a she?



Jesus submitting to his mother is your best example? so Mary is Jesus' wife? why do you people troll on a daily basis just to score cheap brownie points? were we not commanded to obey & honour our parents? is that not a standard practise?




you were told to submit to your husband & he's to love you in return. the only snag is the submission responsibility on your part has to be free will, not forced or imposed.




i have read everything about ephesians 5 - i even went further to read the original texts in aramaic to avoid words that may have been lost in translation. it's as clear as daylight that men have been given the leadership role in the family.

if you then find yourself with a man that cannot lead then you shouldn't have married him in the first place. women should marry men that are capable of leading them. that's exactly what that passage in the bible tells me.

See how I know you're full of bullocks? The original texts were written in Greek not Aramaic. Aramaic is Hebrew. Hebrew and Greek have nothing to do with each other.

NLanders, please come and see this troll. If you truly want to learn, I can teach and educate you. Otherwise, I have nothing for you. Wallow in your self-deceit and ignorance

lilmax:
what's the name of your bible?

Lol. The original Greek and Hebrew used a gender-neutral pronoun (like they or it). Men translated to English so guess what? They used "He". Kinda the way if women were the ones who translated, they would have used "she".

Arsenate:
within 5 minutes I produce millions of spermatozoa...in your life time you produce just about 600 ovums and you claim we are equal. feminism is truly a joke... loooollll
gtfoh....hahahahaba

Lol. ehn see logic.

I wear a D cup, if you had to wear a bra, you would wear an A cup or AA cup. Tell me again, how are we equal?

coogar:
you are a fool then.
if women had any form of authority, jesus would be a woman. God himself is a He, Jesus is a He. where exactly do you fit in other than being my helpmate & giving good oräl sėx at night?

you lost your lofty position the moment you bit that apple.

Wrong again. Infact, this is illogical. Talking of women and authority? What about Jesus submitting to his mother? What about Deborah? What about Miriam? What about the women of Paul's time? What about the resurrection? The primary testimony was from the mouth of women. But no, you won't read enlightened scholars. You want to be stuck with biased and bigoted ways of reading the bible, I see. Blend with a few lies here and there and viola! Carry on o!

coogar:
a woman & a man aren't equal in the sight of God. this is why you are asked to submit to your husband as the church submits to Christ. unless your husband is a woman, you are talking nonsense.

This is untrue. first, the bible you read does not say all this. Submission does not imply inequality. Jesus submitted to god but is equal; you submit to your Pastor but you're his or her equal. Also, submission as used is supposed t be a virtue that breeds humility, you know.
Chill, did you forget to read Ephesians 5:21 or you just like to skip over parts? I won't be surprised - cognitive dissonance, confirmation bias and all. Twisting God's word, selecting the one you like. Smh.

coogar:
you are a fool then.
if women had any form of authority, jesus would be a woman. God himself is a He, Jesus is a He. where exactly do you fit in other than being my helpmate & giving good oräl sėx at night?

you lost your lofty position the moment you bit that apple.

God is not a He. God is gender-neutral.

crackhaus:
Quit going on the defensive by trying to explain what you meant by calling them radical.
If you intended to say they may or may not be radical, you would have typed it.

This is the first time we're engaging ourselves on this site so I'll let this pass - but as a personal favour from me to you, next time you want to type something to me during an argument, be sure to read it twice, cross-check, and read it again, before clicking submit.
I don't let mistakes/ignorance slide.

Now the important question is/was, did you know of those feminist campaigns or did you not?
Which of them are you a part of as a feminist.

See how many more characters you needed to say may or may not?

I was unaware of Takepart.com and #YesAllWomen before. Those are all social movements. There is the bigger picture to women's economics, politics, health and welfare, civil rights etc. My point remains you don't even have to be aware of any movements along all of those lines to be able to sit back and think and take the stand that men and women are equal and deserve equal treatment in the face of the law and a society we build together. Simple, really!

dBard:
Tnx...f d insults

Wen next u have a flat tire that needs changing or u look for a female baby sitter or a male security guard...know this dude will be laughing@ur bullshit hypocrisy.
Bye

I did not mean any insult. I was only saying if you think you aren't adaptable. Like if you think you have studied Mechanical Engineering so you can't learn about Chemistry or learn how to draw or play the piano. Limiting yourself, you know!

crackhaus:
Why are you blowing hot and cold?
In one line you call them radical, in another you call them advocates of equality.

So what are you saying?
Are those campaigns radical or are they fighting for social equality?
Clarify this before I go on.

Here they are again:
FCKH8 Campaign, Hollaback!, #YesAllWomen,
#FreeTheNipples, TakePart.com

I put radical in parentheses to indicate "possibly radical". They are fighting for social equality, duh! They may or may not be radical depending on how you view it and depending on the different individuals and their intentions and experiences in the movement. But you don't need to have knowledge of any of that to be a feminist. Slow?

freshdude2:
Pick, these quotes from that link of yours got my attention most of all.

As a female (and I guess a really bad feminist) I am
totally appalled at the video. I make as much or
more than my male co-workers, and have since
roughly 1995/1996, so I also don't "get" the pay gap
thing at ALL. I HAVE, however, seen females in jobs
such as heavy lifting, who can only do 1/2 the work
of their male counterparts, somehow think they're
entitled to be paid the same. Half the work, half the
pay, pretty logical to me, but then again, I've always
been treated with the utmost respect at my jobs, I
simply can't relate to them at all.
Hexxuss



yeah ive never seen any examples of actual wage
gap, i worked in concrete this summer and the
highest paid employee was female, because she
had the most experience, worked for the
company longer than anyone else and was the
fastest and best at the job. she made 3 an hour
more than the highest paid male and a full 10
dollars an hour more than me. my dad works for
a chemical processing company and his shift
engineer is female, she clears at least 75k a year
more than him, my moms a teacher and she
makes exactly the same as every other equally
educated teachers, less than the male principle
but more than the males (and females) with only
a bachelor degree.
john_soap

Zexten, Carefreewannabe, do you think women are paid less than men for the same work?

Yes, they are. There is a tonne of research to show this. Even in Nigeria, there is research to show that men earn more that women in all jobs except tailoring. Good for the woman not to have experienced it. One single case doesn't negate research,

freshdude2:
I may not read much but the concept of ratio, proportion and value eludes you. Women have, at best, built on men's discoveries. And don't include Marie Curie, her husband was the genius, she just tagged along. No, I don't need a list. If I need a list to now them, they don't matter. . But you already knew that. Really, you don't seem intelligent but the fallacies in your arguments could fill a book. Present with logic and order.

Wow! Marie Curie tagged along with her Pierre. And what of their daughter? She too tagged along? Well, a lot of people think Shakespeare was feeding on the works of his wife, Anne Hathaway, so let's call it a draw :p
What about Angela Merkel? What about Park Geun-hye? Sheryl Sandberg? Clinton? Shonda Rhimes? Iweala? Ezekwesili?
You say ratio and proportion. It doesn't matter, the point is many women are capable of doing extra-ordinary things but are limited in the society in which they are brought up. The point is women are not incapable of leadership roles, extra-0rdinary achievements etc. So to assume a de facto stance of weakness, or sole care-giving or anything else along those lines. To assume any form of division along gender lines that isn't biological is problematic. That is the problem. It's like saying a Nigerian should not be allowed to be World Bank MD because there has not been any Nigerian Nobel Prize in Economics. You hear that now?

freshdude2:
1. But you don't see Nigerian men weeping and whinging for equality do you? Have you heard of Europe for Africa(feminist equivalent: he for she) or any such nonsense? Nigerian men are content with proving themselves equal or, at least, admitting and conceding when we fall short. You don't see us acting all entitled an shiit.

2. If anything our failure to catch up with 1st world nations is an embarrassment to us not a call to delusion that there's some kind of European/White conspiracy to subjugate the Nigerian. We understand that we are lagging behind through our actions and inactions. You don't see us matching to the United Nations to force oyinbos to give us what they've earned. We respect them for whatever they have achieve, and whatever envy we may feel is an indictment on our shortcomings. We are men, we can hardly afford delusions. I wish I could say the same for your ilk.

Well but we see Nigerian men whining about how they detest feminism. Instead for them to change the world,t hey are scared like puppies of what the women folk can do if not restricted. No?
Also, you don't go out much I see. There are a crap ton of Nigerian men who blame colonialism for the woes of the African state. See? See?

dBard:
I am sick and tired of all these feminist for and against arguments n hate getting drawn into them,but since am here, lemme ask, can one of d 'feminists' here be bold enuff to give 5 examples of what n where they demand Equal rights in

Expecting d usual dodge n parry, but hoping to be disappointed sha.


@carefreewannabe.. Sometimes I do think u just love d arguments
Gender roles, like d poster opined, are Time honoured cos people recognized early enuff d Limitations Specific to each Gender and sought to build/ ;maximize each genders potential.
How is it wrong, seeing d caring,nurturing nature of d female folks to teach n encourage her in housekeeping,
Or seeing how restless n adventurous d typical male is,to give him bow n arrows n throw him t d bush to hunt or to emphasize d need t provide n protect d family unit seeing men are physically ,on d general, stronger than females
Also, contrary t popular assertations here,d typical African society was quite protective of d rights of d woman even within d gender roles but yet not restrictive.
In how many societies of old have u had women of prominence as many as are in Africa viz Queen Lamina,Bilikisu ?Erondu of Yoruba land, Gbenekawa (who is worshipped as a deity) of Ogoni or which other cultures across d world had women groups or societies that wielded political clout e.g. d Ada Societies of IBO land
These were in place f a reason...so there could be Stability.
Honestly don't know wat all d hullabaloo is about cos like I said, d ideals of d feminists keeps shifting with the seasons.


Someone Should Answer the question or let's all let it be.

Am Waiting...

Oh! And for situations where we demand equal rights?

1. Girls should not be bought only baby dolls as toys. Let them have access to a diverse amounts of toys to shape their minds in preparedness for fields ranging from the arts to the sciences
2. Women should not be discriminated against at work and should be allowed to rise through the ranks and attain leadership roles
3. women should not be blamed when raped. men should learn to control their bodies - they can, they aren't animals
4. Women should not be looked down upon when contesting political office. In the history of Nigeria, still no single female governor, talk less of VP or President
5. Women should not be told that marriage defines them. Let them pick for themselves what defines them and what doesn't, what they like and what they don't.

freshdude2:
1. Feel free to prove that African society wasn't patriarchal.

2. Nah, I don't hate women. I'm disgusted by people who feel entitlted to what they haven't legitimately earned. . Spot the difference.

Who said anything about you hating women? Comprehension skills too? Cmon, don't let a woman keep schooling you. Or wait, just maybe women are as smart as men - or as knowledgeable. Which would kinda mean women can have great minds and diverse minds and do exploits. Which might mean women can be leaders too. Have you given that any thought? Maybe women and men are fundamentally equally. At least in all that matters, centered around intelligence.

dBard:
I am sick and tired of all these feminist for and against arguments n hate getting drawn into them,but since am here, lemme ask, can one of d 'feminists' here be bold enuff to give 5 examples of what n where they demand Equal rights in

Expecting d usual dodge n parry, but hoping to be disappointed sha.


@carefreewannabe.. Sometimes I do think u just love d arguments
Gender roles, like d poster opined, are Time honoured cos people recognized early enuff d Limitations Specific to each Gender and sought to build/ ;maximize each genders potential.
How is it wrong, seeing d caring,nurturing nature of d female folks to teach n encourage her in housekeeping,
Or seeing how restless n adventurous d typical male is,to give him bow n arrows n throw him t d bush to hunt or to emphasize d need t provide n protect d family unit seeing men are physically ,on d general, stronger than females
Also, contrary t popular assertations here,d typical African society was quite protective of d rights of d woman even within d gender roles but yet not restrictive.
In how many societies of old have u had women of prominence as many as are in Africa viz Queen Lamina,Bilikisu ?Erondu of Yoruba land, Gbenekawa (who is worshipped as a deity) of Ogoni or which other cultures across d world had women groups or societies that wielded political clout e.g. d Ada Societies of IBO land
These were in place f a reason...so there could be Stability.
Honestly don't know wat all d hullabaloo is about cos like I said, d ideals of d feminists keeps shifting with the seasons.


Someone Should Answer the question or let's all let it be.

Am Waiting...

The underlying theme is the same, mister. The fight for equality of the genders.

No, the male isn't anymore adventurous than the female or the female a better care giver. All of these things are social constructs.
I don't know if you're limited in your abilities. You said d Limitations Specific to each Gender. As a human, I am not in anyway limited in my abilities. I can adapt so easily. The brain, thank God is so intricately woven and complex and adaptable to a myriad of situations - danger, fear, love, care, courage. All sorts. We are flexible beyond measure, that's what makes us human and special. If we are constricted and limited in our abilities then we are nothing more than animals - with not well-developed brains. So if you think you can't adapt yourself to show love or learn how to cook in a few weeks - you know nurturing and caring and housekeeping - then it's only because you don't have a well matured brain yet. Don't feel bad though, it might take some time.

freshdude2:
We didn't take shiit, you people just chose to ride on the back of the success of men and expect the same respect, since you're not getting it you've developed penis-envy. Well, there's equality in the west, let's see what the women in those lands contribute to the human race by way of inventions and innovation in the next 20years. Scratch that, I dare you to contribute anything tangible to your immediate community. You can't and you won't becase it's not your cup of tea. Meanwhile, there are people, men, of course, who will sacrifice their time to do so and succeed at it. You are a woman, the best you'll ever be is a woman. You may envy my diick and try a sex change but deep down, it's just an artificial diick.

You don't read much, do you? Again, terrible claims.
First, a little history would show you how women have been disadvantaged over the centuries millenia even). Historians agree - both male and female, black and white.
Women have been doing phenomenal stuff. In politics, Literature, other branches of Arts, Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Business. Just name it. You're about to ask me for a list? And I just would realize how ignorant you are. You know this? Then there is no argument, hun?

freshdude2:
1. But it was patriarchal, wasn't it? A patriarchal society is what it is, comparison is terms of degree of patriarchy from one society to another is not the subject of this thread and, even if it were, doesn't make me wrong. In fact, it paints the illogic your comment.

2. Women throughout history have owned property even the Europeans who you claimed were less egalitarian than Africans.

3. Debatable.

Lol. I assure you if you take a crash course in history, you will learn how wrong you are. Awks that a woman is educating you, innit?

iykedare:
This feminism thing never tire you?

Nah! People tend to be incapable of being tired of their oppression. Maybe when the oppressive system leaves them alone, you know? Uhn? No, you wouldn't know - you are king of the oppression.

freshdude2:
I'll take feminism serious when feminists earn what they demand. The problem with these people is they want men/the patriarchy to "give" them equality. Shuo

Yes, that's what we want. Why? Because nature gave us an equitable system. Slightly different roles, but abilities and adaptation to make tem insignificant and trivial. We don't need to "earn" what you have systematically "taken away" from us.

cKaiser:
You might have to take your crusade up with nature who created both sexes different.

Its nature who made men naturally stronger than women due to having a higher muscle mass.

A baby boy from 7 month graviatates towards Trucks, balls and high risk play while a baby girl wants to play with dolls, tend them love them and is generally calmed

Its nature who made women more fragile, tender and caring.

Its nature who made men have more testosterone required for military, Taking risks and daring acts

No amount of role equality can make a man conceive a child naturally nor a woman impregnate another woman. Genes and nature control that

You're making rather ludicrous statements.

Nature doesn't gravitate either sex towards anything besides the ease of developing muscle mass for men - that is all (and of course a difference in reproductive roles).
If you have learnt anything about sociology or looked around a little, you will realize that the toys given to kids to play with are strictly based on the bias of parents. The loving nature of people - based on societal conditioning. Taking risks: human psychology is so warped, we are easily adapted to anything. Testosterone isn't enough to make a strong enough mark in terms of aggression and fear and risk taking for individuals. You haven't seen excellent and/or reckless female gamblers, have you?

crackhaus:
What is the common sense and what is feminism?

As a feminist yourself, which of these feminist campaigns are you actively a part of? - oops scratch that, how many of these were you even aware of before this thread?
FCKH8 Campaign, Hollaback!, #YesAllWomen, #FreeTheNipples, TakePart.com

And when I call people on here pseudo-feminists, y'all think I just enjoy using fancy words...

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freshdude2:
You sound like an iidiot who thinks they know stuff but they don't. It's obvious, this isn't an insult. Is there any society more patriarchal than that of early Africa? Do you mean to tell me that the men in that society didn't cook or weren't taught to cook?

Before you piss blood all over this thread, consider the meaning of terms you're spouting and their practicality. How many homes do you know where the fathers are the primary meal manufacturers, does it mean those men don't cook or can't cook? Have you not seen women split firewood in Africa doesn't that require substantial physical strength and should naturally be the preserve of men(heavy lifting?)?

Life tools are life tools and should be taught to everyone to a logical extent. However, gender roles are what they are and certain skills will only be electives to the core of a gender's natural and situational roles, and no amount of gender equalism crusading can negate that.

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SirShymex:
Lmao...care-for-dyck-wannabe brought it on herself. And hopefully she'll embrace Africana womanism as explained here:

"Just as feminism speaks to your experiences, Africana Womanism speaks to mine. It allows me to articulate my spirituality, my connection and love of Black men, a genuine sisterhood with other Black women, a connection to family with a special emphasis on motherhood, a self-defined identity, unconventional gender roles, collective outcomes, group achievement, self love, nurturing, and a recognition that all isms effect women." - Renee Martin


And when did I get e-married online? Anyway, you're the biggest e-pim.p NL has ever seen...and I remember you hooked some "ibkaye" chic, "abil" and "subom1" up in the past. You can get a nyggah a hook-up with that.

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SirShymex:
Well, my post was based on the black experience/culture and the uniqueness of who we're. And once you use that as a premise, females are always assigned the cooking role, from an early stage - while males are assigned other roles within the family. And generations (including my generation) have been raised in this culture. So, you can't change it now, regardless how wrong you might think the society is.

To change it - it has to be a bottom-up approach, and not top-down. Which means: it has to start with the next generation. And the responsibility still falls on women - starting with those who are girls today, and will end up as mothers tomorrow - to start with their own children. That's how you can change the cycle. Don't expect guys who were never raised to learn how to cook, to start cooking now - it's unacceptable.

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SirShymex:
Men are natural leaders - we were born and raised to lead. Women are too emotional to lead, and for every successful woman that has ever taken up a leadership role - men are always the ones pulling the strings behind the scene. Women just don't make good judgement, due to emotional impulses inherently linked to their decision making process.

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SirShymex:
Nah, there are always assigned roles for everyone based on skill set. Women are naturally better cooks, motherly figures, and better housekeepers/home-makers than men. And most are raised/trained from early to be great at these roles, within the family set-up. So, effectively, it's just about fitting into the family set-up/partnership based on your skill set - not slavery.

However, when it comes to other things - your opinions/ideas would be highly appreciated. I need you to be part of the process and decision-making. And when two heads deliberate on something - the end result is always better than just one person's opinion. No one is perfect, and we all have something to offer, in our own unique ways.

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