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You Need To Read This Lee Strobel: Case For The Real Jesus by Nobody: 1:58pm On Aug 03, 2012 |
I was watching the other day William craig declare that the so called similarity about osiris and Jesus Christ was false and that the proponents of such ideology did not even have a source as their basis. So I decided to search online for such assertions that debunked the above baseless theory. I came across a yahoo answers reply to the above question which I quote The entire: "Christianity is plagiarized from pagan religions" myth was debunked by the 1920s. First of all you need to get a copy of Lee Strobel's book: The case For the Real Jesus. In which he clearly shows you, through experts, why each of the points you talk about Horace Mithra are not parallels to Christianity. First of all, those very poor scholars that tried to make this claim had to first Christianize the myth, to try and make it conform. Now it's not possible to give you complete answers in the limited space available but let me give you a little bit from the book. T.N.D. Mettinger - a senior Swedish scholar, professor at Lund University, and member of the Royal Academy of letters, history, and the antiquities of Stockholm--- wrote one of the most recent academic treatments of dying and rising gods in antiquity. He admits in his book: The Riddles of Resurrection,: "that the consensus among modern scholars -nearly universal- is that there are no dying and rising God superseded Christianity. They all postdated the first century. ( came AFTER) Obviously the timing is critical: Christianity could not about the idea of the resurrection if myths about dying and rising gods weren't even circulating when Christianity was birthed in the first century A.D." (quoted from Strobel's book) while Mettinger takes exception to the nearly universal scholarly conviction and takes a decidedly minority position and claim that there are at least three possible and maybe as many as five possible dying and rising gods that predate Christianity: the question is this: are there any actual parallels between these myths and Jesus' resurrection? Mettinger, after combing through all of these accounts and critically analyzing them adds that none of these serve as parallels to Jesus... none of them. It's important to remember that Jesus' resurrection is a historical fact that can be proven from the witnesses and testimonies not only of the Bible but of extra biblical sources. And all of these are considered mythical not even believed as literal by those who followed that religion. Mettinger caps his study with this stunning statement: "there is, as far as I am aware, no prima facie evidence that the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ is a mythological construct, drawing on the myths and rights of the dying and rising gods of the surrounding world." In short, this leading scholar's analysis is a sharp rebuke to popular level authors and Internet bloggers who make a grand claim about the pagan origins of Jesus' returned from the dead. Ultimately, he affirms, "the death and resurrection of Jesus retained its unique character in the history of religions."The poster later directed me to Lee Strober The case for the Real Jesus. Then I went online to search for it and I got the PDF version. This statement really got me laughing and amused at how vague people perceive Jesus. Jesus has been called an intellectual who spouted pithy aphorisms; a Mediterranean cynic leading a wandering band of proto-hippies; an androgynous feminist and ambassador of Sophia, the female embodiment of divine wisdom; a clever messianic pretender; a gay magician; a peasant revolutionary; and a Jewish Zen master. I have begun to read it. [size=15pt]If you are interested in receiving the above pdf, drop your email and I will forward it to you for your personal understanding and blessing and ask yourself who is the real Jesus.[/size] |
Re: You Need To Read This Lee Strobel: Case For The Real Jesus by Nobody: 10:31am On Aug 04, 2012 |
So far it has been a worth while opportunity reading this pdf by strobel. The discourse between him and evans on the validity of the various gospels - Thomas, mary, peter etc was really interesting. However one statement caught me off guard, ie on the divinity and humanity of Christ Jesus. Hear what Evans say “How have your decades of research into the Old and New Testaments This made me to start questioning my belief in Christ, do i believe in His Divinity as well as His Humanity? |
Re: You Need To Read This Lee Strobel: Case For The Real Jesus by Nobody: 10:37am On Aug 04, 2012 |
Furthermore i started seeing something about His humanity which is very important as the divinity Wanting him to explain further, I asked, “What is it we miss about hmm i refused to be a gnostics who believe He Jesus had no humanity but a divine person only. |
Re: You Need To Read This Lee Strobel: Case For The Real Jesus by Nobody: 10:42am On Aug 04, 2012 |
I read somewhere, that if you want to hide something valuable from africans, write it down. And i believe i have come on a wealth of blessed gems about my Belief. i continue my reading...This are the main challenge the PDF intends to address Challenge #1 Scholars are uncovering a radically different Jesus in Ancient Documents just as credible as the four gospels. Challenge #2 The Bible's portrait of Jesus can't be trusted because the church tampered with the text. Challenge #3 New explanations have refuted Jesus's Resurrection. Challenge #4 Christianity's beliefs about Jesus were copied from Pagan religions Challenge #5 Jesus was an Imposter who failed to fulfill the Messianic prophecies. Challenge #6 People should be free to pick and choose what to believe about Jesus. |
Re: You Need To Read This Lee Strobel: Case For The Real Jesus by MrAnony1(m): 1:34pm On Aug 04, 2012 |
dude, you have my email. Please forward the pdf to me |
Re: You Need To Read This Lee Strobel: Case For The Real Jesus by Nobody: 4:28pm On Aug 04, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: dude, you have my email. Please forward the pdf to mesent it |
Re: You Need To Read This Lee Strobel: Case For The Real Jesus by MrAnony1(m): 5:11pm On Aug 04, 2012 |
Thanks bro, just got it. It's 308 pages long though so it'll take me quite a bit of time to read but Thanks. |
Re: You Need To Read This Lee Strobel: Case For The Real Jesus by paulokwudiri(m): 9:09pm On Aug 05, 2012 |
forward the pdf to me also on paulokwudiri@rocketmail.com |
Re: You Need To Read This Lee Strobel: Case For The Real Jesus by Nobody: 7:18pm On Aug 06, 2012 |
paulokwudiri: forward the pdf to me also on paulokwudiri@rocketmail.comsent check ya mail and happy reading |
Re: You Need To Read This Lee Strobel: Case For The Real Jesus by Nobody: 7:22pm On Aug 06, 2012 |
Mr_Anony: Thanks bro, just got it. It's 308 pages long though so it'll take me quite a bit of time to read but Thanks.really quite long but quite interesting write up. It reads like a novel at the same time, sort of a warms the heart. I take a few paragraphs at a time tho |
Re: You Need To Read This Lee Strobel: Case For The Real Jesus by Nobody: 7:56pm On Aug 06, 2012 |
this is really a great pdf, i think i will put a link to my dropbox so people can download without putting their email for privacy sake |
Re: You Need To Read This Lee Strobel: Case For The Real Jesus by Nobody: 8:18pm On Aug 06, 2012 |
on the issue of infallibity and inerrancy, i started been relaxed wit apparent discrepancy in scripture as i continued to read this pdf and the desire to read the bible is growing all the more. Of a truth the steps of the righteous are ordered by the Lord. |
Re: You Need To Read This Lee Strobel: Case For The Real Jesus by Nobody: 11:59am On Aug 07, 2012 |
another thing that struck me is this statement:
hmm as i continued my reading i started seeing that i have all along been a doecetic - believing more in the divine than the humane side of Christ and the bible. For example, mistakes/contradictions in the bible are what shows the humane side yet in that write up, the divine is spoken through and this i believe has been an obstacle to some confusing parts in the bible for me. For instance, i undesrtand now that there is a difference between infalliability and inerrancy and infalliabilty is the foundantion on which inerrancy depends a sort of pyramid. Wallace has been subjecting the New Testament’s text to scrutiny The above bolded was really a revelation! continue... |
Re: You Need To Read This Lee Strobel: Case For The Real Jesus by mkmyers45(m): 12:59pm On Aug 07, 2012 |
send it to me bro: mkmyers45@gmail.com |
Re: You Need To Read This Lee Strobel: Case For The Real Jesus by Nobody: 3:30pm On Aug 07, 2012 |
mkmyers45: send it to me bro: mkmyers45@gmail.comsent check your email |
Re: You Need To Read This Lee Strobel: Case For The Real Jesus by Nobody: 3:35pm On Aug 07, 2012 |
“Quite simply, we have more witnesses to the text of the New Testament |
Re: You Need To Read This Lee Strobel: Case For The Real Jesus by Nobody: 3:53pm On Aug 07, 2012 |
““The quantity and quality of the New Testament manuscripts are |
Re: You Need To Read This Lee Strobel: Case For The Real Jesus by Nobody: 12:34pm On Aug 14, 2012 |
hmm almost through, |
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