Ihuomadinihu:
The Bantu post and pictures is not important or beneficial to Nigerians/West Africans. You keep struggling to be part of a Slavery record. Isn't that ridiculous and extremely preposterous?
Anyway, Bantu and their origins/relationship with West Africa is a common knowledge in the intellectual world. Everyother argument happening here is just a waste of time and energy.
Your post and pictures are very inconsequential and irrelevant among experts in this field! :DToo bad!

scholes0:


The funniest part is that he is from South Africa, a country thousands of Miles from Northern Angola, which as the southernmost reach of Slavery.
The predominant YDNA haplogroup of all Niger Congo groups is E, and predominantly the subclade E1b1b.

It is preset in some sample African poplations in the following ratios

Bantoid Cameroon: 93.3%
Bamileke: 100%
Ghana: 92.3%
Mandinka: 79%
Igbo: 90.0%
Bantu (Gabon): 80.0%
Mossi (Burkina): 90.0%
Kikuyu (Kenya Bantu): 73.0%
Fon (Benin): 95.0%
Nande (DRC Bantu): 100%
Yoruba: 92.0%
Hutu (Rwanda Bantu): 83%
Senegalese: 81.3%

And someone is here claiming what does not exist... lol

Radoillo:
I can't understand this person's fascination with the slave trade. He manages to change the discussion on any thread he jumps into into a discussion of how many Bantu were enslaved versus how many Southeastern Nigerians were enslaved.

He isn't even technically Bantu, Scholes. He is of Ghanaian ancestry. Appears his family emigrated to South Africa. I bet South Africans derogatively refer to him as Kwerekwere...as they do other West Africans.

scholes0:


lmfao...
You know, I was actually wondering where the name Kwame came rom, I at first, I thought he was AA who just chose a Ghanaian name to celebrate his/her African roots, and then later did a DNA test which showed he was related to a Bantu speaking African group...
Then I went through his posts and discovered all his other anti Nigerian rhetorics, I started thinking he was actual SA bantu.

So he has Ghanaian ancestry? lol...... Trolls everywhere sha.

kwametut
Dont make your WORRIES MY WORRIES. I never claimed Bantu as a race, but was happy to be partly Bantu and other. THIS LANGUAGE GROUP IS BIG BOTH IN AFRICA AND AMERICAS NUMERICALLY, IN SPORTS, FILM, POLITICS,BUSINESS ETC...THEY STAND OUT.

Radoillo:


He has explicitly said his father was Ghanaian in the past. There was one thread sometime in 2013 where he was moaning and railing against Nigerians for expelling Ghanaian immigrants in the 1980s. I won't be surprised if his family was affected by that expulsion order, and he is still butt-hurt about it, hence his anti-Nigeria tirades.

scholes0:

Bahahaha!
It started becoming funny (and ridiculous) when he started saying that Oprah, Chris Rock, Trey Songz, Chris Tucker and some AA's with obvious white admixture didn't look 'West African" but looked "Bantu".... Lmfao.... What is the WA look? What is the Bantu look?
This Niggur was probably using his Paternal family members from Kumasi as a proxy yardstick for what all West Africans are supposed to look like or something. Because I know that even within Ghana it is well known that the Ewes of the Volta region many-a-times have a different look from the Akan groups.

alanmwene:

your are typical west Africans Sudaneses:fake,resentful and hypocrits!
I can count 100threads on this forum about yorubas or igbos descendants in brazil,america.etc......100s of threads about how African-amercans descemd at 80% from igbos;how yorubas culture is the most dominant force in the Americas......How the Igbo race is the most intelligent and the most enterprising race in Africa....When it comes to glorifying your races,you claim all types of people as igbos or yorubas,but when bantus do the same thing,your resentful nature takes over.Bantus don't open threads about you,why are you so obsessed about bantus?The fact is bantus had ways more influence in the new world than all the rest of African races put together and we gonna celebrate that again and again.Their orishas put aside,yorubas had zero influence in the new world.Brazil isn't the country of orishas ,but the country of Samba(kongo) and everything about Brazilian esthetic (swagg,football,charisma,etcl....) Jamaicans are more congoleses than anything else and reggae has its roots in kongo music.Jazz,blue,tango,salsa,etc....are bantus creations.....and we are proud of that.You can console yourselves by thinking we are all the same,but we aren't!Be yourselves and be proud!Resentment and jealousy wont get you anywhere!

alanmwene:

[s]your are typical west Africans Sudaneses:fake,resentful and hypocrits!
I can count 100threads on this forum about yorubas or igbos descendants in brazil,america.etc......100s of threads about how African-amercans descemd at 80% from igbos;how yorubas culture is the most dominant force in the Americas......How the Igbo race is the most intelligent and the most enterprising race in Africa....When it comes to glorifying your races,you claim all types of people as igbos or yorubas,but when bantus do the same thing,your resentful nature takes over.Bantus don't open threads about you,why are you so obsessed about bantus?The fact is bantus had ways more influence in the new world than all the rest of African races put together and we gonna celebrate that again and again.Their orishas put aside,yorubas had zero influence in the new world.Brazil isn't the country of orishas ,but the country of Samba(kongo) and everything about Brazilian esthetic (swagg,football,charisma,etcl....) Jamaicans are more congoleses than anything else and reggae has its roots in kongo music.Jazz,blue,tango,salsa,etc....are bantus creations.....and we are proud of that.You can console yourselves by thinking we are all the same,but we aren't!Be yourselves and be proud!Resentment and jealousy wont get you anywhere![/s]

CAMNEWTON4PRES:
We are not West Africans and we have nothing in common with you . stop forcing yourself on us

PhysicsQED:
I don't think they were "influenced" at all, because the way I see it, diversification/differentiation of languages was the reason for the split of Bantu from non-Bantu and the Bantu languages are just a more recent unique subgroup of "Niger Congo" that attained a very large size/population of speakers.

Looking at the specific languages you mentioned (Yoruba, Edo, and Igbo), when either read or pronounced, they seem very different from (many) Bantu languages, and this difference (which is apparent not just for Yoruba, Edo, and Igbo, but for other West African languages) is probably why there was some initial resistance on the part of professional linguists to claiming that there was some sort of deep relationship between West African languages and Bantu languages, before they finally joined them. I believe there is a relationship, as attested to by the shared roots of several words, but this relationship doesn't mean that words shared between Bantu languages and non-Bantu West African languages are due to influence of one upon the other, but just that, sharing a recent origin in the same place, they diverged from a common root. However, some other language groups came from the same relatively recent common root as well.

A good example is the word you brought up in your original post, the word "omo/umu" meaning "people" or "children". Far from being a Bantu or Proto Bantu remnant/aspect of Niger-Congo languages that was derived in non-Bantu West African languages from "muntu" or variations on "muntu", I would actually see it as a remnant of an even older original language from which Niger Congo languages and Afroasiatic languages emerged. Look at the word and compare it with Hebrew and Arabic (Afroasiatic languages):


Yoruba:

omo - child (omo is also child for Edo and umu is child for Igbo)

Edo:

omwan - person

emwan - people

Igbo:

umunna - children/descendants (umu) of the same father (nna)

Arabic:

ummah - commmunity or nation

Hebrew:

ummah - nation




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ummah


There are other examples, of course. Another one: iya (Yoruba) - mother, nwanyi (Igbo) - woman/female, iye (Edo) - mother, eym (Hebrew) - mother

And there are others, though it would take quite a while to dig them all up.


There is a very fierce (kind of) debate I've come across that is still ongoing where some anthropologists and linguists are trying desperately to "separate" Afroasiatic from other African language groups and group Proto-Afroasiatic with proto-Indo-European or just consider Afroasiatic an isolated language family separate from other African language groups - and part of this debate revolves around (not always explicitly, but it's a relevant factor) whether one specific group, the Egyptians, are to be seen as some unique East African group with Western Asiatic influence or as some kind of "racially" Middle Eastern/Semitic/Western Asiatic group with East African influence - an argument which I don't think that those trying to change/distort the existing classification will win in the end. You can't just have Yorubas, Edos, and Igbos, totally and undoubtedly black African groups, sharing some roots for very fundamental words (not obtainable through trade) with some Semitic languages without Proto-Afroasiatic sharing the same ultimate origin with Proto-Niger-Congo. The weird thing about the debate is that it is rarely acknowledged that human languages are not discrete, but form a kind of continuum with languages in between different extremes or endpoints with respect to different aspects/features and words, so classifying a language as being closer to one group than another does not really cordon off that group into a "separate" branch of humanity like some people involved in that debate are making it seem. At the end of the day, every group is just a subgroup of an older original group until you go back to the very start of humanity.