Ptolomeus: The thread is very interesting and enlightening.
Why must rebutted with such nonsense out of place?
Unable to make a cultural contribution? comment?
Some people involved in the thread just to attack, and do not add a single element to help share information ...
It's a shame ...

I agree. Good comment.

Ptolomeus:
In truth you believe that?
The South Americans are more racist than the British slavers and murderers yankees?
You have not written anything against the English, or the Arabs ... but you think the South American racist ...
It would be important that you read a history book ... the books do not bite!
So may you live in England ... an imperialist country and slavery ... So it's hard for you to understand

my respects

No comment was made about the British and Arabs, in regard to racist they are because of the fact of that no comment was made stating the contrary, such was the case with the white South Americans. Next.

PAGAN 9JA:
^NO WE CANNOT & WON'T. our traditional lifestyle has been messed up by the colonisers and we have reached a point of no return. today if we take a spear into the bush, we find hardly any animals left. how re we supposed tosurvive??!!!! no unless they put things right, we therefore are forced into accepting these new additions in order to survive in this world. it is our right.
you think we will just let them get away after stealing our resources and ruining our lives NEVER!

and anyways we are talking about indigenous matters .

Quite right...
No one can argue against "progress".

Human cultures learn from each other. Industrialization is a culture for instance, then corporatocracy and etc. We have Britain to thank for those. Stop saying African culture, just say indigenous culture, original cultures that are based on treating others fairly and not on religion.

Europe is the most traumatized by religion. Please remember that and empathise with Europe. They are not yet over it. Then followed by the Muslim lands cutting accross Asia and Africa. Europe is recovering but how long will it take Europe to revert to the status of say China or Japan as per theology? It will need a concerted effort because Europe's gates are opened via secularism. The Muslims and Pentecostals are rushing in!.

I am Yoruba and Yoruba culture is no different from original Germanic or Celtic cultures. All are thesame. Shinto or Confucian. Buddhist or Hindu. We are all thesame. Our God is not burning innocent people in hell for unbelief!.


So, let us ditch sectionalism, identify with all cultural theologies, support them. Is a Somalian or Ethiopian necessarily more related to Yoruba or Hausa than the Germans or Spanish?. Not really. We have to conduct DNA tests to be sure. Yoruba have Neanderthal genes too and we speak Kemitic Egyptian now. We are black because we live in the tropics. So, identify with your culture and other sane cultures. Nothing like African culture.

lawani:
Human cultures learn from each other. Industrialization is a culture for instance, then corporatocracy and etc. We have Britain to thank for those. Stop saying African culture, just say indigenous culture, original cultures that are based on treating others fairly and not on religion.

Europe is the most traumatized by religion. Please remember that and empathise with Europe. They are not yet over it. Then followed by the Muslim lands cutting accross Asia and Africa. Europe is recovering but how long will it take Europe to revert to the status of say China or Japan as per theology? It will need a concerted effort because Europe's gates are opened via secularism. The Muslims and Pentecostals are rushing in!.

I am Yoruba and Yoruba culture is no different from original Germanic or Celtic cultures. All are thesame. Shinto or Confucian. Buddhist or Hindu. We are all thesame. Our God is not burning innocent people in hell for unbelief!.


So, let us ditch sectionalism, identify with all cultural theologies, support them. Is a Somalian or Ethiopian necessarily more related to Yoruba or Hausa than the Germans or Spanish?. Not really. We have to conduct DNA tests to be sure. Yoruba have Neanderthal genes too and we speak Kemitic Egyptian now. We are black because we live in the tropics. So, identify with your culture and other sane cultures. Nothing like African culture.

You've truly gone mad!

PAGAN9JA:
Fula you misunderstand me. i said i am a Tribal not a tribalist arent tribalists those who try to pick up fights with other tribes anyways yes all what you said is valid but let me make one point clear.

I PAGAN 9JA consider it the highest crime as of assimilation. i am TOTALLY 100% against it because i believe that we as Tribals may do whatever we want, but it is our duty to first perform our tribal duties and social responsibilities, i.e., to continue the survival of our , should i unliterally use the word "species", we must:

- marry within our own people (not relatives).

- we must preserve and practice our traditions, cultures and religions.

- we must help our fellow tribespeople when in need.

- not only our people, we must form unity with all other tribes "IN THE WORLD", to protect, preserve and nurture our traditions because we are the original people as was meant to be prior to christianity, islam and monotheistic form of judaism.

only when we do the above, do we have scop of surviving into the next century. afetrall, we have certainly made it into the 21st century. as for the rest you said, i 100% agree with it.

and btw Traditionalist is a term used for those practicing traditional Pagan religion. i think we must invent a new term for this.

Very informative and thorough Pagan. I'm an African American, a diaspora African if you will, and being raised in a democratic capitalist society I can truly say that I fully agree with you. To often does the democratic liberal ideas of the West invade other people's individuality and freedom teaching Western ways and upholding Euro-centric dogma as the basis for basic human decency and overall freedom. To me true democracy is accomplished when people have the right to choose their beliefs, their lifestyle, etc and 'not' be afraid of being judged by their peers or anyone else for their truly unique or unconventional choice simply because it is not 'modern' or it is 'old'. Haven't spent about 500 yrs or more in this great nation I somewhat have an idea of how a none Euro-centric culture could be deemed 'sinful', primitive, wrong, beastly, wicked, and just plain not attractive to the populist nor to billionaires pockets and thus destroyed. For example, I found it quite interesting how while I was researching a Fulani subset that the text read that this tribe respects women so much that they nearly forbid the men to touch the women or speak to them unless spoken to by them or someone else in their family. Now I don't know if that is even a true description of said tribe but the shock and awe of the European scholars when they realized that a tribe outside of the western hemisphere, who's people were not of Caucasian ancestry would show great respect to women. They didn't need the feminist movement to try to show their women love. Like truth be told many indigenous people respect their women. Many people around the globe do not purposely show bias or disrespect for a certain group of people whether it be race, gender, sexual orientation, etc, with the goal of maliciously abasing and destroying those people, especially if they belong to their group. And often times within these cultures many things aren't considered to be biased, disrespectful, or a great disadvantage until outside influences imply so. I doubt ALL African village chiefs hate their people because they promote their rural culture that is sometimes devoid of modern amenities, they do it because it is what they know as righteous, because they feel it is best. And who's to say it isn't. LOL I'm going to leave that argument alone. Their might be problems in Africa concerning certain issues but that is all across the globe, the inequality comes in when Africa in particular is always painted as the most primitive, evil, destructive, backwards, none-progressive, biased, shackling continent in the world. Now I'm an African American and I can assure you that we as a people have faced some great bias and difficulties here, so I know it is a lie when they paint Africa as the source of all misery. Just saying it's just such a pain to constantly have to consume so much negativity concerning my Mother country because it's always been a constant, eroding our souls and teaching self-hate. Nothing African is good here, not even today. Now it's the corrupt politicians. Word to my African brothas and sistas who feel their situation is bad, I truly understand but keep your head up for yourself, your people, us, and the preservation of our culture because it could be worse. We know all too well how it feels to have no place to call home, not background, and no support, having to be a Queen or a King and being forced to call another man's castle your home when your not even welcomed. Remember you could have Donald Trump for President. No shade to my country, America, but progress is made when a problem is admitted. Keep up the good work.