Callotti: We as Super-Americans are planning to capture that his FAKE YESHUARIC azzzze, and extract his DNA.
Now, you know why he DARES not come down to Earth!
Watch out!

PLEASE WORSHIP HIM WHILE YOU CAN.

Deep Sight:

When will you tire of id.iocy? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Deep Sight:
Jesus was just a man. That's the simple answer to your question. In history, humans always deify spiritual leaders. That is what they did to Jesus. They turned him to God. Its asinine.

See more biblical quotes in the OP here -

https://www.nairaland.com/344297/dr-david-sheds-some-light

shivaclub: dear op. Jesus says that he is the way truth and life because through his teaching you will get to God, he speaks the truth about God and he says that he and his father is one because he is trying to tell you how close he is with the father.he is not God the father which is the decision maker but God the son which is the love of God.

Callotti: Surprised MONKEYNA2 FACE SHARIA WINCH abi na MANMUSTWACPOOHSIE nefa close this thread!!!

Lord_Reed: Unity does not imply sameness. Jesus said I am one with the Father He did not say I am the Father. What He implied was a unity which indicates an agreement which allows Jesus to share in the management of the universe. Jesus is still subject to the Father's decisions in the matters of the Kingdom. One of those decisions is the time of fulfillment which Jesus said the Father has reserved judgment for Himself.

Don't be confused.

pastie: my brother thıs ıs far beyònd unıty.what jst ımagın God fada+Godson+Godholy spırıt=1. ı.e 3ın1=1ın3. Are they not thesame

Lord_Reed:

No sir it is not far beyond unity, it is the perfect unity of mind that God has proposed for the church.

John 17:21:
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. (KJV)

Our unity with God does not make us the same as God, it makes us one with Him but not same.

The unity is not unity of body as some suppose but a unity of purpose and mind. Jesus does not have the same body as the Father nor do either of them have the same body as the Spirit.

There is no confusion if you understand this.

Lord_Reed: Unity does not imply sameness. Jesus said I am one with the Father He did not say I am the Father. What He implied was a unity which indicates an agreement which allows Jesus to share in the management of the universe. Jesus is still subject to the Father's decisions in the matters of the Kingdom. One of those decisions is the time of fulfillment which Jesus said the Father has reserved judgment for Himself.

Don't be confused.

Lord_Reed:

The unity is not unity of body as some suppose but a unity of purpose and mind. Jesus does not have the same body as the Father nor do either of them have the same body as the Spirit.

There is no confusion if you understand this.

F00028:
how is an agreement which allows Jesus to share in the management of the universe indicated here

where else in the bible has Jesus ever claimed to have a hand in the management of the universe?

F00028:

that unity of purpose is a nice angle. so Moses and God are one? and Abraham, Elijah, Ezekiel...?

diluminati: @lord reed
if jesus is God, why didnt he know the day he will come back, but God knows? Just answer the damn question and stop adding more confusion ontop more confusion.

diluminati: @lord reed
if jesus is God, why didnt he know the day he will come back, but God knows? Just answer the damn question and stop adding more confusion ontop more confusion.

Lord_Reed:

Just as ijawkid has said the question has been answered. Jesus is not The Father, He is Co-Regent (my word) thus is God since He acts as God ie has the authority and power but The Father reserves certain matters for Himself.

No confusion.

firestar:

Small letter "g" when referring to Jesus as a [b]g[/b]od. The difference has to made clear.

diluminati: @lord reed
if jesus is God, why didnt he know the day he will come back, but God knows? Just answer the damn question and stop adding more confusion ontop more confusion.

pastie: Thats ıt my sıster.a sımple questıon that need sımple answer.

Lord_Reed:

How simple do you want the answer to be?...
this simple: is there a simple unequivocal statement where he declares Godship'

How much simpler can it get?

Lord_Reed:

How simple do you want the answer to be?...

pastie: No,am not satısfy wıt ur answer at all,how can he be just a man,when he was born wıthout undergoıng same procedure we undergo(man+woman)

pastie: Hello my fellow naıralanders,there some facts ın the bıble that always confuse me when ı come accross them,the fact ıs that ın the bıble jesus chrıst says he ıs the lıght an the way,no one can see the kıngdom of heaven except through hım whıch he also say he and hıs father are the same,but what comfused me here ıs that jesus was ask by hıs dıscıple to know the day of hıs judgement ,but jesus reply them that hımself dnt know the day, only God knows the judgement day.and my questıon here, ıs he not thesame wıth hıs father to know the day
Pls shed more lıght to me,u knw there some fact ın the bıble whıch are dıfıcult to understand except ur wıth the holy spırıt.

Lord_Reed:

Just as ijawkid has said the question has been answered. Jesus is not The Father, He is Co-Regent (my word) thus is God since He acts as God ie has the authority and power but The Father reserves certain matters for Himself.

No confusion.

Enigma:

First of all don't be misled by all kinds of things that you read here; what the Bible teaches is that Jesus IS God; he is God the Son where we also have God the Father and God the Holy Spirit all as part of One God The Trinity. ((This issue has been discussed extensively on other threads and if you want I can provide some links later )

Now to your question: the traditional Christian teaching and understanding is that whilst on earth Jesus was fully God and fully man ---- this is called the hypostatic union. However, Jesus had to do many things as a man ----in order to fulfil His purpose; in particular He had to die as a man; He can't die as God or even merely as "spirit" anyway.

So when Jesus says, He didn't know the day, time or hour etc ---- that was simply Jesus functioning as a man and with the limitations of functioning as simply a man in that particular respect.

F00028: is there a simple unequivocal statement where Jesus himself declares 'Godship'?

F00028: I ask because when he says stuff, all power is GIVEN unto me and I can of my own self do NOTHING, it nullifies all your fancy rhetoric.

mkmyers45:

He's hybrid right? So he's god side knew?