2 Corinthians 12:2 >>" I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know--God knows."

This was Paul's Letter to the Corrinthians, I am sure many christians do not know there are several heavens. Paul, said he knows a man 'in Christ', apparently he is talking about the Christ Consciousness. Jesus is the most popular Christ. I also learnt that Paul attained the Christ consciousness before his dead and could also be termed 'Paul Christ or Paul, the Christ' but that's not up for discussion except you chose to. The Question is, How many Christian Heavens are there ?

There is nothing like christian heaven. Once soul drops the physical body and enters into the inner planes all the religious tags simply drops away and soul faces judgement as soul not as a christian, muslim, buddhist etc. Your thoughts,words, actions and inactions are weighed on the scale of life and judgement duly passed

there are many heavens of course and the one you will go to is determined by your level of spiritual growth before translation.

It is believed that the first heaven is the atmosphere and. Sky over us. The second heaven is the galaxy and the third heaven is where God dwell.

benodic: There is nothing like christian heaven. Once soul drops the physical body and enters into the inner planes all the religious tags simply drops away and soul faces judgement as soul not as a christian, muslim, buddhist etc. Your thoughts,words, actions and inactions are weighed on the scale of life and judgement duly passed

there are many heavens of course and the one you will go to is determined by your level of spiritual growth before translation.

Faces judgement ?

Joagbaje: It is believed that the first heaven is the atmosphere and. Sky over us. The second heaven is the galaxy and the third heaven is where God dwell.

This is the bible truth and herein I stand.

1. Heaven, our immediate sky
2. Heaven, outer space where light bearers are fixed.
3. Heaven, the abode place of God.

Paul Christ? wetin person no go hear?

Goshen360:

This is the bible truth and herein I stand.

1. Heaven, our immediate sky
2. Heaven, outer space where light bearers are fixed.
3. Heaven, the abode place of God.

Following this premise:
1. The sky is the abode of the ozone layer, and hence heaven is depleting.
2. Heaven can be found in the universe.
3. God resides in the universe.
4. Scientists move about in the heavens.

In addition to my first comment above,

So when we read and study scriptures like, "In the beginning God created the heaven(s) and the earth" - Genesis 1:1, we should study by also questioning what heaven(s) is the verse talking about. When we read scriptures like, "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him" - Matthew 3:16, we should ask, which heaven is it talking about. Asking questions to follow up our study, we will be able to get the truth and revelation of what the scriptures say.

Reyginus: Following this premise:
1. The sky is the abode of the ozone layer, and hence heaven is depleting.
2. Heaven can be found in the universe.
3. God resides in the universe.
4. Scientists move about in the heavens.

LOL, take it easy on them. Truth has to dawn on them little by little. Spoon feed a child, dont give him EBA to swallow until he is older.

Reyginus: Following this premise:
1. The sky is the abode of the ozone layer, and hence heaven is depleting.
2. Heaven can be found in the universe.
3. God resides in the universe.
4. Scientists move about in the heavens.

In addition, creation is divided into TWO, the visible and the invisible. If you say God resides in the universe, it might be true NOT by physical or visible residence but by omnipresence. Heaven and earth are couples and make up the universe as we know on the visible level. Scientists move about in heavens, yes but the visible heaven. That is, our immediate sky and the outer space.

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: Colossians 1:16

Goshen360: In addition to my first comment above,

So when we read and study scriptures like, "In the beginning God created the heaven(s) and the earth" - Genesis 1:1, we should study by also questioning what heaven(s) is the verse talking about. When we read scriptures like, "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him" - Matthew 3:16, we should ask, which heaven is it talking about. Asking questions to follow up our study, we will be able to get the truth and revelation of what the scriptures say.

This even strengthens the Op's stance of a multi-heaven.
The words 'the heavens and earth' points to the fact that the heaven is nowhere in the universe.
The 'heavens' thus, denotes the abode of God.
Mind you, some bible versions read: God created the heavens and the universe.

Billyonaire: LOL, take it easy on them. Truth has to dawn on them little by little. Spoon feed a child, dont give him EBA to swallow until he is older.

What is the meaning of your statement Have scientist explored the "Heaven", abode place of God When people like me makes any statement in the open and you don't understand.....kindly ask me/us for clarification.

Reyginus: This even strengthens the Op's post of a multi-heaven.
The words 'the heavens and earth' points to the fact that the heaven is nowhere in the universe.
The 'heavens' thus, denotes the abode of God.
Mind you, some bible versions read: God created the heavens and the universe.

About the bolded. This is the confusion point for most Christians and a room for the atheists. If you said God created the Heavens and the Earth, Goshen360 agrees and affirms that God created the "Heavens", where was HE before HE created the Heavens, I can only assume God was in one Heaven while creating the others. Then the greatest confusion will be, where was HE (God) when he created that Heaven that HE was ? Anyway, I guess Goshen will tell me the ways of God is a mystery to man.

Goshen360:

In addition, creation is divided into TWO, the visible and the invisible. If you say God resides in the universe, it might be true NOT by physical or visible residence but by omnipresence. Heaven and earth are couples and make up the universe as we know on the visible level. Scientists move about in heavens, yes but the visible heaven. That is, our immediate sky and the outer space.

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: Colossians 1:16

What do you mean by God creating in two forms?
For God to exist in the universe He must have spatial dimensions.

Billyonaire: [/b] About the bolded. This is the confusion point for most Christians and a room for the atheists. If you said God created the Heavens and the Earth, Goshen360 agrees and affirms that God created the "Heavens", where was HE before HE created the Heavens, I can only assume God was in one Heaven while creating the others. Then the greatest confusion will be, where was HE (God) when he created that Heaven that HE was ? Anyway, I guess Goshen will tell me the ways of God is a mystery to man.

You can only know by asking God where He's been all the while.

Reyginus: This even strengthens the Op's post of a multi-heaven.
The words 'the heavens and earth' points to the fact that the heaven is nowhere in the universe.
The 'heavens' thus, denotes the abode of God.
Mind you, some bible versions read: God created the heavens and the universe.

My brother.....this is one of my best topics in the bible. When you read "heavens", it refers to our immediate sky and outer space. The "heaven" without "s" to denote plural usually refer to the abode place of God. Sometimes, context also take the "heavenS" (plural) as a whole. I understand the use of "heavenS" as plural in translations because I had questioned it myself before I got the answer. The heavens where we see and can explore is our immediate sky and outer space being refer to as heavens, and such is visible in creation while the heaven which is the abode place of God is heaven and as such, is invisible in creation. I don't understand what the OP meant but am just mentioning the fact he mentioned "Third" heaven from the scripture. I only posted to confirm there is a third heaven and that is where God resides. Except you guys are saying something else.

Reyginus: What do you mean by God creating in two forms?
For God to exist in the universe He must have spatial dimensions.

Creation is in TWO FORMS,

Invisible and
Visible.

The heaven that belongs to this/our universe is "Visible" in creation. The heaven that doesn't belong to our universe/world is "invisible". The visible creation is NOT the first creation act of God.

Goshen360:

My brother.....this is one of my best topics in the bible. When you read "heavens", it refers to our immediate sky and outer space. The "heaven" without "s" to denote plural usually refer to the abode place of God. Sometimes, context also take the "heavenS" (plural) as a whole. I understand the use of "heavenS" as plural in translations because I had questioned it myself before I got the answer. The heavens where we see and can explore is our immediate sky and outer space being refer to as heavens, and such is visible in creation while the heaven which is the abode place of God is heaven and as such, is invisible in creation. I don't understand what the OP meant but am just mentioning the fact he mentioned "Third" heaven from the scripture. I only posted to confirm there is a third heaven and that is where God resides. Except you guys are saying something else.

You are saying that before God ever created, heaven was ?

Goshen360:

Creation is in TWO FORMS,

Invisible and
Visible.

The heaven that belongs to this/our universe is "Visible" in creation. The heaven that doesn't belong to our universe/world is "invisible". The visible creation is NOT the first creation act of God.

Are you still arguing based on the bible as you said earlier?

Reyginus: You can only know by asking God where He's been all the while.

I will not to ask, cos 'NO ONE CAN SEE GOD, YET LIVE. I mean, there is a defense for every question but not an answer!

Reyginus: You are saying that before God ever created, heaven was ?

Before God created . Created what We are talking about when God created our own heaven and earth, that we can see and explore which is visible. Where does God created from? From the same heaven and earth that He created for us

Reyginus: Are you still arguing based on the bible as you said earlier?

Kindly make your point very clear sir. Creation is Visible and Invisible. When something is NOT seen (invisible) with/by the natural eyes doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

The 1st Heaven is our atmosphere as stated in Genesis 1:1 & Genesis 7:11
Second is outer space - Exodus 32:13, Nehemiah 9:6
Third is the abode of God - 2Corinthians 12:1-4, Revelation 4:2

Goshen360:

Before God created . Created what We are talking about when God created our own heaven and earth, that we can see and explore which is visible. Where does God created from? From the same heaven and earth that He created for us

The question is not where He created from, but whether heaven 'was' present before the beginning?
You based your initial post on the bible, any deviation from it, is not acceptable.

Reyginus:
The question is not where He created from, but whether heaven 'was' present before the beginning?
You based your initial post on the bible, any deviation from it, is not acceptable.

There is absolutely nothing deviating from my initial post. Maybe we are not understanding one another. Heaven, the abode place of God "was" and existed BEFORE the beginning of heavens - the outer space and the firmament.

Is my point clearer now

Goshen360:

Kindly make your point very clear sir. Creation is Visible and Invisible. When something is NOT seen (invisible) with/by the natural eyes doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I understand that sir, but following the angle you are coming from, their is no agreement.
1. Having based your arguement on the bible, their is no room for introduction of that which is not in the bible.
2. For the heaven to exist before creation, the creation story is not the beginning of creation, but a phase. Do you agree?

Reyginus:
I understand that sir, but following the angle you are coming from, their is no agreement.
1. Having based your arguement on the bible, their is no room for introduction of that which is not in the bible.
2. For the heaven to exist before creation, the creation story is not the beginning of creation, but a phase. Do you agree?

We can as well say God had a beginning then. Do you agree or disagree When we say "the beginning of creation", we refer to creation as it relates to OUR world or universe. This, we know had a beginning BUT God do not have beginning.

Goshen360:

There is absolutely nothing deviating from my initial post. Maybe we are not understanding one another. Heaven, the abode place of God "was" and existed BEFORE the beginning of heavens - the outer space and the firmament.

Is my point clearer now

LOL. Clear.
If God created heaven before creating other things, what then does ' heavens' mean in the phrase 'the heavens and the universe?'

Reyginus:
I understand that sir, but following the angle you are coming from, their is no agreement.
1. Having based your arguement on the bible, their is no room for introduction of that which is not in the bible.
2. For the heaven to exist before creation, the creation story is not the beginning of creation, but a phase. Do you agree?

Yes, I agree with you on this one. I see Genesis 1:1 as a phase not the beginning of all things! John 1:1 should be the beginning of all things (As in the beginning of God's creation)~!

Goshen360:

We can as well say God had a beginning then. Do you agree or disagree When we say "the beginning of creation", we refer to creation as it relates to OUR world or universe. This, we know had a beginning BUT God do not have beginning.

No. Your analogy is not compatibile with God. Except you are calling God heaven.
God as an entity has no beginning. The heaven as a product of creation is not uncaused.
If I agree that the 'beginning of creation' refers to creation as regards us, what then is the creation of 'heavens' as regards us?

^^^
I still can't figure out our argument sir. Is it that there are not "three" heavens as described in the bible or "creation of these three heavens"

Goshen360: ^^^
I still can't figure out our argument sir. Is it that there are not "three" heavens as described in the bible or "creation of these three heavens"

Sir, the problem is, we are building an arguement where their should be none.
Back to the topic. I agree. We agree. But you seem to be adding 'flavour' to it.