[size=18pt]THERE IS NO 'GOD' IN THE BIBLE.[/size]


The research work of Mauro Biglino is focused on re-translating the original Hebrew text of the Old Testament of the Bible in a literal way, word by word, with an open mind, devoid of any theological dogma or prejudice, following a logical and rational path.

The objective of the research is to verify what is truly written in the original Biblical text.

The study and the research on the original Masoretic text of the Bible has led Mr. Biglino to some staggering discoveries.

1.- The Origin of Man

Mauro Biglino has found that in the original Hebrew text of the Bible, in the Book of Genesis, it is written that a group of individuals - called the Elohim – made man with a genetic engineering intervention, by mixing their own DNA with the DNA of primates already present on the Earth.

In the Bible there is even a specific word that refers to the DNA, and this Hebrew word is tselem. Mr. Biglino has found that the correct translation of the famous verses of Genesis (1:26) is:

"And the Elohim (plural) said: "Let us make man in our likeness, using that thing that contains our image".

The "thing that contains our image" is the tselem, which means "something material which contains the image, and which has been cut off from".

The "Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon", dictionary of Biblical Hebrew and Aramaic, under the term "tselem" writes the following definition: «something cut off».
What is that "something" which contains the "image" of someone, that can be "cut off ", that can be extracted?

In our modern times, one thing immediately comes to mind: the DNA.
The word Elohim, in the modern Christian Bibles, has been translated with the word "God".
But it is a wrong translation, because the Elohim is a plural term, that indicates a group of flesh and bones individuals, powerful but not omnipotent, and certainly not spiritual nor transcendent.

What is written in the original Hebrew text of the Old Testament has a stunning similarity with what is written in the Sumerian tablets, which are dating to more than 4000 years ago.
Basically the the original Masoretic text of the Old Testament and the ancient Sumerian tablets are telling the same events.
The Sumerian tablets are even more detailed.

Mr. Biglino has found that two modern scientific discoveries fully confirm the Masoretic text of the Bible:

A.
The scientific research on the Mitochondrial DNA brings to the conclusion that there was a "first mother" - the mother of all humans - and that she lived on Earth around 250,000 - 150,000 years ago.

B.
Moreover, the often overlooked transition between the 24 chromosome pairs of apes and monkeys (and the Neanderthal Man) to the 23 chromosome pairs of Homo Sapiens suggests that a highly sophisticated genetic engineering intervention took place at a certain point in time.
There is no way that this transition from 24 to 23 chromosome pairs could happen spontaneously.

C.
The "missing link" between apes and homo sapiens still, after decades of searches, has not been found.

All these factors: the Mitochondrial DNA, the 24 to 23 chromosome pairs transition, the inexistent link between apes and homo sapiens, and the writings on the Sumerian tablets fully confirm the narration of the Bible about the "Origin of Man" - and the Bible does not tell of a "Creationist" version about the Origin of Man - at all.

What Mr. Biglino has found about the Origin of Man puts in crisis both the "Creationist" hypothesis upheld by Christians, both the Darwinist-Evolutionist Theory.
In his books Mr. Biglino suggests that a "third way" - an "Intervention Theory" - should be seriously be taken into consideration to explain the Origin of Man.

2.- The Omnipotent, Omniscient, Spiritual God

The Roman Catholic Church and the Protestant Churches ascribe to "God" these attributes:
"God" is Omnipotent - having unlimited power
"God" is Omniscient - having infinite knowledge
"God" is Omnipresent - being present everywhere
"God" is Omnibenevolent - being perfect goodness
"God" is Eternal - he lives forever
"God" is a Spiritual, Transcendent Being

In his thorough analysis of the ancient Hebrew Masoretic text, Mr. Biglino has found that nowhere in the Bible it is spoken about any Omnipotent, Omniscient and Eternal God.

The Bible speaks of a group of flesh and bones individuals, called the Elohim. The word Elohim was translated as "God" both in the Catholic Bible, both in the King James version.
It is a wrong translation.

3.- The Elohim

The Elohim were not a "God" but a group of flesh and bones individuals. That they were flesh and bones individuals it is written with absolute clarity in the original Hebrew Masoretic text of the Bible.
The meaning of Elohim is "The Shining Ones", "The Elevated Ones" or "The Powerful Ones".
The Elohim were certainly powerful but not omnipotent, they had advanced scientific knowledge and technology but they were not omniscient, they had an extended lifespan compared to humans but they were not Immortal, neither eternal.

If "God" is considered as a Spiritual, Transcendent, Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnibenevolent, Eternal and Immortal Being, there is no trace of any such being within the original Masoretic text of the Bible.

4. - Yahweh was not a "God"

Mr. Biglino's findings reveal that Yahweh was simply one of this group of flesh and bones individuals called the Elohim.
In the Old Testament emerges clearly that Yahweh was himself a flesh and bones individual.
And Yahweh was not even one of the most powerful Elohim. On the opposite, he was one of the less important and less powerful of the Elohim.

Yahweh was given a poor land, and a people to rule which was at the time inexistent: he had to form it and to instruct them, to fight the enemies and to conquer lands.
At the time of Moses (around 1400 BCE) even the language of that people - the Hebrew language - was inexistent: Hebrew as a language was formed four centuries later, at the time of King David.

In Deuteronomy (32: it is written that the Elyon - who is the Highest, the leader of the Elohim - decided the allotment of the lands among the Elohim.
The Elyon assigned to Yahweh a people that was (Deut. 32:9-10):

"in a desert land, and in the howling waste of a wilderness"

Yahweh was assigned an unimportant people, which was scattered in a desert land, in a territory devoid of any value or interest.

The Bible tells (Genesis 10:25) that the division of the lands among the Elohim happened at the time of Peleg, who was the son of Eber, Sem’s great grandson.
While it is not easy to give a precise date, we could infer an approximate date between 3000 - 2500 BCE.

From history we know that at that time there were well developed civilizations, such as the Egyptians, the Sumerians and the ancient Indians. Yahweh was not assigned those people, those well developed civilizations and a fertile land, he was assigned a desert and barren land and a scattered, unimportant people.
This is clear evidence that Yahweh was one of the less important and less powerful of the Elohim.

5. - Even "God" dies.

In the original Hebrew Masoretic text of the Bible it is written in clear words that even the Elohim die. (Psalm 82, 83)
(Elohim is translated as "God" in the modern Catholic and Protestant Bibles).

6. - The "Angels"

The term “Angel” comes from the Greek word “Aggelos” which means “Messenger, Herald”. In itself, the Greek term “Aggelos” originally did not have any spiritual meaning.

Theologians and Church Fathers claim that the “Angels” are spiritual beings with no material body, who take visible appearance only when needed, they have the role of intermediaries between God and humans. Theologians wrote that “God” gives to the “Angels” the duty of punishing or helping humans.

In the original text of the Bible, the Malakhim - translated as “Angels” - are clearly described as flesh and bones individuals, as are the Elohim: in the Bible it is written that the Malakhim eat, drink, they get tired, they sweat, they get dirty and they even need to wash themselves.
This is written in clear words in the passage of Abraham meeting two Malakhim and Yahweh [Genesis 18], in the meeting of the same two Malakhim with Lot in Sodom, right before its destruction [Genesis 19], in the Book of Tobit, in the Book of Zechariah, and in many more Biblical passages.

The meaning of the word Malakhim is “The Guardians”, “The Watchers”, “The Messengers” - of the orders of the Elohim.
The Malakhim of the Bible have a strong correlation with the Igigi of the ancient Sumerian tablets. They had the same function: also the Igigi were “The Guardians”, “The Watchers”, “The Messengers”.

Why did the Bible translators distort the text and invented from scratch inexistent spiritual attributes to the Malakhim?

Why did they delete or twisted the concrete, physical attributes of the Malakhim, so clearly described in the original Biblical text?

Did the Bible translators and Theologians have the need to portray the “Angels” as coherent with the vision of a monotheistic spiritual and transcendent “God”?

As they did with the physical, flesh and bones Elohim?

7.- The Hebrew Language

As written above, at the time of Moses, the Hebrew language was not existing, and Moses was not speaking in Hebrew, but in some other language. The Hebrew language came into existence 4 centuries after Moses, at the time of King David.

8.- The Ten Commandments

The true “Ten Commandments” of the Covenant given by Yahweh to Moses are completeley different from what is being told by the Catholic hierarchies, and by the Christian Protestant Churches.

The Ten Commandments of the Covenant between Yahweh and the People of Israel have nothing to do with anything spiritual or anything moral or ethic: they were rules to mantain social order and sanitary measures.
The Ten Commandments were aimed to keep the Israelite people under the thumb of the jealous and ruthless ruler called Yahweh.

The Covenant between Yahweh and the People of Israel had very practical bases. It was a contract establishing the rules between two parties, one of which was the strong one - the Yahweh’s side - and the other was the weak one - the People of Israel side -.

Yahweh did not want to create a religion.

Yahweh’s purpose was to establish a covenant with a people who had to serve him, in exchange for the help in the conquest of a territory where to settle.

The founders of Christianity have deliberately distorted and twisted the real meaning of the real Ten Commandments.
The founders of Christianity have concealed the purpose of Yahweh, replacing it with their own purpose, which was to create a religion.

and more...

Concreteness.

In the whole path of the research on the original Masoretic text of the Bible, a constant factor emerged.

And this constant factor is concreteness.

There is concreteness in the Book of Genesis, in the Exodus, in the Book of Numbers, in the Deuteronomy, in the Book of Zechariah.

Wherever we have looked, and examined the original text in depth and with accuracy, we have found concreteness.
The Elohim and Yahweh are flesh and bones individuals, the Angels - the Malakhim - are flesh and bones individuals, the "Blessing" has a concrete and very material meaning, even the kevod - translated in modern Christian Bibles as "The Glory of God" - is a very concrete and material device routinely used by Yahweh.

We have not found any trace of anything "spiritual" in the Bible.

It appears evident that all the spiritual meanings we read in today’s Old Testament are just a theological construction, inserted on purpose, distorting the meaning of the original Biblical text.

There is no "God" in the Bible.

If the reader is interested, he/she can read some excerpts from the English version of Mauro Biglino's book.© 2012 Mauro Biglino. All Rights Reserved.

[link to www.maurobiglino.com]

Blasphemy at its peak!! Zecharia Sitchin's translations of sumerian tablets is now the Christian Bible Complete gibberish!

FYI, Yahweh ain't one of those ETs; the sumerian Gods were the fallen Angels written in the book of Genesis 6.

Unbelievers; the devil's workshop~!

SMH for you!

Rossikk: [size=18pt]THERE IS NO 'GOD' IN THE BIBLE.[/size]


The research work of Mauro Biglino is focused on re-translating the original Hebrew text of the Old Testament of the Bible in a literal way, word by word, with an open mind, devoid of any theological dogma or prejudice, following a logical and rational path.

The objective of the research is to verify what is truly written in the original Biblical text.

The study and the research on the original Masoretic text of the Bible has led Mr. Biglino to some staggering discoveries.

1.- The Origin of Man

Mauro Biglino has found that in the original Hebrew text of the Bible, in the Book of Genesis, it is written that a group of individuals - called the Elohim – made man with a genetic engineering intervention, by mixing their own DNA with the DNA of primates already present on the Earth.

In the Bible there is even a specific word that refers to the DNA, and this Hebrew word is tselem. Mr. Biglino has found that the correct translation of the famous verses of Genesis (1:26) is:

"And the Elohim (plural) said: "Let us make man in our likeness, using that thing that contains our image".

The "thing that contains our image" is the tselem, which means "something material which contains the image, and which has been cut off from".

The "Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon", dictionary of Biblical Hebrew and Aramaic, under the term "tselem" writes the following definition: «something cut off».
What is that "something" which contains the "image" of someone, that can be "cut off ", that can be extracted?

In our modern times, one thing immediately comes to mind: the DNA.
The word Elohim, in the modern Christian Bibles, has been translated with the word "God".
But it is a wrong translation, because the Elohim is a plural term, that indicates a group of flesh and bones individuals, powerful but not omnipotent, and certainly not spiritual nor transcendent.

What is written in the original Hebrew text of the Old Testament has a stunning similarity with what is written in the Sumerian tablets, which are dating to more than 4000 years ago.
Basically the the original Masoretic text of the Old Testament and the ancient Sumerian tablets are telling the same events.
The Sumerian tablets are even more detailed.

Mr. Biglino has found that two modern scientific discoveries fully confirm the Masoretic text of the Bible:

A.
The scientific research on the Mitochondrial DNA brings to the conclusion that there was a "first mother" - the mother of all humans - and that she lived on Earth around 250,000 - 150,000 years ago.

B.
Moreover, the often overlooked transition between the 24 chromosome pairs of apes and monkeys (and the Neanderthal Man) to the 23 chromosome pairs of Homo Sapiens suggests that a highly sophisticated genetic engineering intervention took place at a certain point in time.
There is no way that this transition from 24 to 23 chromosome pairs could happen spontaneously.

C.
The "missing link" between apes and homo sapiens still, after decades of searches, has not been found.

All these factors: the Mitochondrial DNA, the 24 to 23 chromosome pairs transition, the inexistent link between apes and homo sapiens, and the writings on the Sumerian tablets fully confirm the narration of the Bible about the "Origin of Man" - and the Bible does not tell of a "Creationist" version about the Origin of Man - at all.

What Mr. Biglino has found about the Origin of Man puts in crisis both the "Creationist" hypothesis upheld by Christians, both the Darwinist-Evolutionist Theory.
In his books Mr. Biglino suggests that a "third way" - an "Intervention Theory" - should be seriously be taken into consideration to explain the Origin of Man.

2.- The Omnipotent, Omniscient, Spiritual God

The Roman Catholic Church and the Protestant Churches ascribe to "God" these attributes:
"God" is Omnipotent - having unlimited power
"God" is Omniscient - having infinite knowledge
"God" is Omnipresent - being present everywhere
"God" is Omnibenevolent - being perfect goodness
"God" is Eternal - he lives forever
"God" is a Spiritual, Transcendent Being

In his thorough analysis of the ancient Hebrew Masoretic text, Mr. Biglino has found that nowhere in the Bible it is spoken about any Omnipotent, Omniscient and Eternal God.

The Bible speaks of a group of flesh and bones individuals, called the Elohim. The word Elohim was translated as "God" both in the Catholic Bible, both in the King James version.
It is a wrong translation.

3.- The Elohim

The Elohim were not a "God" but a group of flesh and bones individuals. That they were flesh and bones individuals it is written with absolute clarity in the original Hebrew Masoretic text of the Bible.
The meaning of Elohim is "The Shining Ones", "The Elevated Ones" or "The Powerful Ones".
The Elohim were certainly powerful but not omnipotent, they had advanced scientific knowledge and technology but they were not omniscient, they had an extended lifespan compared to humans but they were not Immortal, neither eternal.

If "God" is considered as a Spiritual, Transcendent, Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnibenevolent, Eternal and Immortal Being, there is no trace of any such being within the original Masoretic text of the Bible.

4. - Yahweh was not a "God"

Mr. Biglino's findings reveal that Yahweh was simply one of this group of flesh and bones individuals called the Elohim.
In the Old Testament emerges clearly that Yahweh was himself a flesh and bones individual.
And Yahweh was not even one of the most powerful Elohim. On the opposite, he was one of the less important and less powerful of the Elohim.

Yahweh was given a poor land, and a people to rule which was at the time inexistent: he had to form it and to instruct them, to fight the enemies and to conquer lands.
At the time of Moses (around 1400 BCE) even the language of that people - the Hebrew language - was inexistent: Hebrew as a language was formed four centuries later, at the time of King David.

In Deuteronomy (32: it is written that the Elyon - who is the Highest, the leader of the Elohim - decided the allotment of the lands among the Elohim.
The Elyon assigned to Yahweh a people that was (Deut. 32:9-10):

"in a desert land, and in the howling waste of a wilderness"

Yahweh was assigned an unimportant people, which was scattered in a desert land, in a territory devoid of any value or interest.

The Bible tells (Genesis 10:25) that the division of the lands among the Elohim happened at the time of Peleg, who was the son of Eber, Sem’s great grandson.
While it is not easy to give a precise date, we could infer an approximate date between 3000 - 2500 BCE.

From history we know that at that time there were well developed civilizations, such as the Egyptians, the Sumerians and the ancient Indians. Yahweh was not assigned those people, those well developed civilizations and a fertile land, he was assigned a desert and barren land and a scattered, unimportant people.
This is clear evidence that Yahweh was one of the less important and less powerful of the Elohim.

5. - Even "God" dies.

In the original Hebrew Masoretic text of the Bible it is written in clear words that even the Elohim die. (Psalm 82, 83)
(Elohim is translated as "God" in the modern Catholic and Protestant Bibles).

6. - The "Angels"

The term “Angel” comes from the Greek word “Aggelos” which means “Messenger, Herald”. In itself, the Greek term “Aggelos” originally did not have any spiritual meaning.

Theologians and Church Fathers claim that the “Angels” are spiritual beings with no material body, who take visible appearance only when needed, they have the role of intermediaries between God and humans. Theologians wrote that “God” gives to the “Angels” the duty of punishing or helping humans.

In the original text of the Bible, the Malakhim - translated as “Angels” - are clearly described as flesh and bones individuals, as are the Elohim: in the Bible it is written that the Malakhim eat, drink, they get tired, they sweat, they get dirty and they even need to wash themselves.
This is written in clear words in the passage of Abraham meeting two Malakhim and Yahweh [Genesis 18], in the meeting of the same two Malakhim with Lot in Sodom, right before its destruction [Genesis 19], in the Book of Tobit, in the Book of Zechariah, and in many more Biblical passages.

The meaning of the word Malakhim is “The Guardians”, “The Watchers”, “The Messengers” - of the orders of the Elohim.
The Malakhim of the Bible have a strong correlation with the Igigi of the ancient Sumerian tablets. They had the same function: also the Igigi were “The Guardians”, “The Watchers”, “The Messengers”.

Why did the Bible translators distort the text and invented from scratch inexistent spiritual attributes to the Malakhim?

Why did they delete or twisted the concrete, physical attributes of the Malakhim, so clearly described in the original Biblical text?

Did the Bible translators and Theologians have the need to portray the “Angels” as coherent with the vision of a monotheistic spiritual and transcendent “God”?

As they did with the physical, flesh and bones Elohim?

7.- The Hebrew Language

As written above, at the time of Moses, the Hebrew language was not existing, and Moses was not speaking in Hebrew, but in some other language. The Hebrew language came into existence 4 centuries after Moses, at the time of King David.

8.- The Ten Commandments

The true “Ten Commandments” of the Covenant given by Yahweh to Moses are completeley different from what is being told by the Catholic hierarchies, and by the Christian Protestant Churches.

The Ten Commandments of the Covenant between Yahweh and the People of Israel have nothing to do with anything spiritual or anything moral or ethic: they were rules to mantain social order and sanitary measures.
The Ten Commandments were aimed to keep the Israelite people under the thumb of the jealous and ruthless ruler called Yahweh.

The Covenant between Yahweh and the People of Israel had very practical bases. It was a contract establishing the rules between two parties, one of which was the strong one - the Yahweh’s side - and the other was the weak one - the People of Israel side -.

Yahweh did not want to create a religion.

Yahweh’s purpose was to establish a covenant with a people who had to serve him, in exchange for the help in the conquest of a territory where to settle.

The founders of Christianity have deliberately distorted and twisted the real meaning of the real Ten Commandments.
The founders of Christianity have concealed the purpose of Yahweh, replacing it with their own purpose, which was to create a religion.

and more...

Concreteness.

In the whole path of the research on the original Masoretic text of the Bible, a constant factor emerged.

And this constant factor is concreteness.

There is concreteness in the Book of Genesis, in the Exodus, in the Book of Numbers, in the Deuteronomy, in the Book of Zechariah.

Wherever we have looked, and examined the original text in depth and with accuracy, we have found concreteness.
The Elohim and Yahweh are flesh and bones individuals, the Angels - the Malakhim - are flesh and bones individuals, the "Blessing" has a concrete and very material meaning, even the kevod - translated in modern Christian Bibles as "The Glory of God" - is a very concrete and material device routinely used by Yahweh.

We have not found any trace of anything "spiritual" in the Bible.

It appears evident that all the spiritual meanings we read in today’s Old Testament are just a theological construction, inserted on purpose, distorting the meaning of the original Biblical text.

There is no "God" in the Bible.

If the reader is interested, he/she can read some excerpts from the English version of Mauro Biglino's book.© 2012 Mauro Biglino. All Rights Reserved.

[link to www.maurobiglino.com]

Excellent piece.
Mind you, you might be labelled a conspiracy nut by some of these moronic negroes.
Thanks for opening my eyes to Deuteronomy 32: 8-12.

seriallink: Blasphemy at its peak!! Zecharia Sitchin's translations of sumerian tablets is now the Christian Bible Complete gibberish!

Where did you see anything about Sitchin? Do you think Sitchin is the only person to have translated the Sumerian texts?

FYI, Yahweh ain't one of those ETs; the sumerian Gods were the fallen Angels written in the book of Genesis 6.

You're wilfully inventing your own history out of your assss. Maybe Yahweh and co were talking to you when they said ''let us make man in our image''.

Unbelievers; the devil's workshop~!

SMH for you!

Shake your head for your dunce self, not us. Olodo.

And here I was thinking the word 'brain dead' was extinct.

What a poor scholarly piece of work.

No surprise, atheists reflecting the wrath and frustrations of their father, who we all know who he is ........

frosbel: And here I was thinking the word 'brain dead' was extinct.

What a poor scholarly piece of work.

No surprise, atheists reflecting the wrath and frustrations of their father, who we all know who he is ........

STOP insinuating that whomever does not accept the bible as the word of God is an atheist. THAT MAKES YOU COME ACROSS AS EXTREMELY STU.PID AND IGNORANT. Christianity is a VERY NEW religion as far as the knowledge and worship of God is concerned, and claiming that non-subscription to it makes one an atheist is just PITIFULLY IGNORANT.

Rossikk:

STOP insinuating that whomever does not accept the bible as the word of God is an atheist. THAT MAKES YOU COME ACROSS AS EXTREMELY STU.PID AND IGNORANT. Christianity is a VERY NEW religion as far as the knowledge and worship of God is concerned, and claiming that non-subscription to it makes one an atheist is just PITIFULLY IGNORANT.

I always knew you had issues my dear, but it seems to be getting worse year by year ,

frosbel:

I always knew you had issues my dear, but it seems to be getting worse year by year ,

And what issue did you address in this thread other than coming here to troll?
Do you have anything argument to contradict the bible passages quoted by the Op?
If you do, lets hear it, and if you don't, well, you know what to do.

BLOOD OF JESUS!

plaetton:

And what issue did you address in this thread other than coming here to troll?
Do you have anything argument to contradict the bible passages quoted by the Op?
If you do, lets hear it, and if you don't, well, you know what to do.

I stand by my initial impression of the gibberish in the form of an article !

^^^Such as this?

''The word Elohim, in the modern Christian Bibles, has been translated with the word "God".
But it is a wrong translation, because the Elohim is a plural term, that indicates a group of flesh and bones individuals, powerful but not omnipotent, and certainly not spiritual nor transcendent.'' (excerpt from the article).

Do you realise that the ancient Sumerian texts - of which the Jewish bible is but a poorly condensed version for the unschooled rabble - state very clearly that man was created by a group of powerful visitors from another world who arrived on earth and melded their DNA with that of earth hominids to 'create' MAN?

Do you realise that EVERY Nigerian and African creation story holds that men were created by beings who 'came from the sky'?

Tell me Frosbel. You're an intelligent guy. Does this not make more sense to you as per how man came about than some fanciful story of ''God'' breathing from his nostrils, life into some artefact he made out of clay? Look at earth hominids and look at us. We look in many ways very similar to them, but also very radically different. A radical 'upgrade' on those creatures, loaded with high intelligence, and refined physical features. Yet you can look at a hominid and TELL that we are somehow related to them. Evolution cannot account for the difference, given the radical gulf between us and them in all ramifications. ''The "missing link" between apes and homo sapiens still, after decades of searches, has not been found.'' Yet you can look at a hominid and TELL that we are related to them.

It's obvious we're talking about genetic engineering here. Advanced genetic engineering in which these aliens infused their DNA with those hominids, and 'created ' man.

Heck, we can even clone animals today! Why is it so far-fetched that other parts of the universe contain intelligent populations that can create man on earth? The universe is billions of years old. If you know the size and vastness of it, it's a no-brainer that other intelligences abound in it, many definitely light years ahead of us in science, technology, society, ethics, you name it.

See, if you just get your head out of your intellectually restrictive bible, you'll find there's a whole vast universe of boundless possibilities out there waiting to be discovered by your senses.

Rossikk: ^^^Such as this?

''The word Elohim, in the modern Christian Bibles, has been translated with the word "God".
But it is a wrong translation, because the Elohim is a plural term, that indicates a group of flesh and bones individuals, powerful but not omnipotent, and certainly not spiritual nor transcendent.'' (excerpt from the article).

Do you realise that the ancient Sumerian texts - of which the Jewish bible is but a poorly condensed version for the unschooled rabble - state very clearly that man was created by a group of powerful visitors from another world who arrived on earth and melded their DNA with that of earth hominids to 'create' MAN?

Do you realise that EVERY Nigerian and African creation story holds that men were created by beings who 'came from the sky'?

Tell me Frosbel. You're an intelligent guy. Does this not make more sense to you as per how man came about than some fanciful story of ''God'' breathing from his nostrils, life into some artefact he made out of clay? Look at earth hominids and look at us. We look in many ways very similar to them, but also very radically different. A radical 'upgrade' on those creatures, loaded with high intelligence, and refined physical features. Yet you can look at a hominid and TELL that we are somehow related to them. Evolution cannot account for the difference, given the radical gulf between us and them in all ramifications. ''The "missing link" between apes and homo sapiens still, after decades of searches, has not been found.'' Yet you can look at a hominid and TELL that we are related to them.

It's obvious we're talking about genetic engineering here. Advanced genetic engineering in which these aliens infused their DNA with those hominids, and 'created ' man.

Heck, we can even clone animals today! Why is it so far-fetched that other parts of the universe contain intelligent populations that can create man on earth? The universe is billions of years old. If you know the size and vastness of it, it's a no-brainer that other intelligences abound in it, many definitely light years ahead of us in science, technology, society, ethics, you name it.

See, if you just get your head out of your intellectually restrictive bible, you'll find there's a whole vast universe of boundless possibilities out there waiting to be discovered by your senses.

The evidence that you allude to can all be found in the very bible that Frosbel and his kind bury their heads in.
The bible is a plagurized and abbreviated version of much older Sumerian and Babylonian legends of ancient gods.

Somewhere in Genesis we read that "The Nefilim were in the earth in those days, when the sons of the gods saw the daughters of men, and then came down and mated with then the daughters of men".

plaetton:

The evidence that you allude to can all be found in the very bible that Frosbel and his kind bury their heads in.
The bible is a plagurized and abbreviated version of much older Sumerian and Babylonian legends of ancient gods.

Somewhere in Genesis we read that "The Nefilim were in the earth in those days, when the sons of the gods saw the daughters of men, and then came down and mated with then the daughters of men".

You're absolutely correct. The bible is filled with evidence contradicting the very conceptualization of divinity held by christians. One example:

''And there came two angels to Sodom ..and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground; And he said, “Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house”... and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.'' (Genesis 19:1-3)

These ''angels'' eat Lot's food. They look like ordinary men. They're physical beings. They were likely some sort of advanced visitors or emissaries from 'Yahweh', an extraterrestrial member of the Elohim. The Elohim themselves would of course be physical beings, all mortal, all fallible, yet more powerful/advanced than humans.



Another example:

Jacob's experience

Jacob is the grandson of Abraham, living in Canaan, now modern Israel. In approx. 1760 BCE he leaves his family to go to Syria. He stops at Bethel on the way where he saw angels going up and down (Genesis 28:12), showing that the angels walk on earth. He then returns to Canaan in approx 1739BCE with his family and wrestles with one of them.

''Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him.

And he (the man) said, “Let me go, for the day breaks”. And he (Jacob) said, “I will not let you go, except you bless me”. And he (the man) said unto him, “What is your name?” And he said, “Jacob”. And he said, “Your name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince have you power with God and with men, and have prevailed”. And Jacob asked him, and said, “Tell me, I pray you, your name”. And he said, “Wherefore is it that you ask after my name?” And he blessed him there. And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.'' (Genesis 32:24-30)


So Jacob actually regarded the man he was wrestling with as ''God'', meaning Yahweh was physically indistinguishable from his 'angels' or messengers, who also looked like men. (Pretty much as we are today physically indistinguishable from our drivers and houseboys).

Holy Spirit!!!. Lord please deliver us from new age teachings like this. And may You helpo those who teach it. This is sad. So people can be so ignorant? Thank Yopu Lord Jesus for my life. Please help these blind people also.

After glancing through, I wanted to Ignore this write up and move to something else. But once I saw the name Zecharia Sitchins in one of the replies, I had to take my time to read through the entire thing to see if any distortions of the truth exists. It is very common by people to distort facts to suit their own agenda. Sitchins is a god in doing this, but this has almost nothing to do with him. Although we notice patterns and his style in this as I will explain further.

I've had the chance to spend some good time on this topic a few years ago and I have a fair idea of almost every point raised from 1-8 and will explain and point out the distortions as the come and will rate them as True, False, or Half-truth/distortion


1. The origin of Man.

First of all, I will just like to dispell the myth that what the original Hebrew text is referring to here as tselem is in no way DNA.

like the text pointed out, "thing that contains our image" = tselem. Here we see a classic case of deliberate distortion. Let me explain; It is true the word tselem has more than one meaning and is dependent on context, scholars generally attribute the word to meaning "thing that contains".. or more clearly, "that which represents". When you look up the meaning of that phrase you realise that the entire phrase means image. And image cannot be forced into that phrase any more.

So basicaly, tselem means image and not as depicted in the write up.


Having cleared that up, It is important to note that the general theme behind the creation of humans by Elohim is the core belief of a cult/religion called Raelism. They also go ahead to believe that those Elohims are aliens and the transferred to earth to create use, A few steps short of Scientology to be honest.

True Elohim does not translate directly to "god", however it is dependent on context to mean "gods" or "god" ie plural or singular (this is still used in this fashion today in modern Hebrew), again another clear distortion

It is true the Hebrew bible "borrows" some idea from older belief systems, For example the story of Noah and his boat can be found on a Sumerian stone tablet that dates over 1000 years before the Hebrews wrote it down. Of course with a different name from Noah but the story is basically the same. This doesn't mean that everything was from the ancients. They had ideas from the Babylonians, Assyrians, Canaanites, along with their own ideas.

Going further with this, The religion that is Judaism has its origins from the Babylonians and Canaanites. There is an ancient Babylonian text called the Enuma Elish that dates back 1700 year BCE. This has the original creation story the Hebrew bible basically stole and modified to fit their needs. Of the many gods the Canaanites worshipped, three are very important for this write up and they are El Elyon(most high god), Ashera (god of fertility birth and wife of el elyon), and Baal (god of storm/fertility of land).

A. This is not entirely true again, there were lines of "first mothers" but most(not all) that survived came from one "mother" and yes the mitochondrial DNA does show this

B. Its called Mutation. Telomere - Telomere fusion caused the mutation. It is a mistake and mistakes do happen all the time, as long as there is a minute chance of something happening, it will happen given the right amount of time

C. They haven't found a missing link doesn't mean the idea of "creation" is valid. They have found almost everything else that confirms the link must be there somewhere.

In conclusion, This is just Raelism. Do read about them
Verdict: the general idea is false

2 - Omnipotent, Omniscient, Spiritual God

Agreed the Catholic church did embellish a lot of things in the beginning, But the way Biglino presents this is misleading

There were three priests in the bible that were "champions" of ywhw (or "yahwehist" as they were called), namely : Isaiah, Hosea and Amos. All three of them had their versions of ywhw that reflects their own image and what they were going through at the time. King Josiah became a ywhwist and demanded an absolute submission to ywhw as the true god. Hence, "you shall have no other god before me" (10 commandments). Mind you, the book of Deuteronomy appeared around the time of King Josiah and attributed to Moses. Scholars today have come to agree that the book of Deuteronomy is actually a forgery

Anyway, back to the story of ywhw, these 3 prophets/priests tried their best to convince people to worship their god of war that delivered them from Egypt but there was really no longer need for him since relative peace existed. Therefore the Israelites reverted to the Canaanite gods (Asheera and Baal) for fertility and success. After plenty cries from the "ywhwists", The Assyrians attacked and conquered the northern tribes but however occupied rather than evacuate.

The babylonians came later and evacuated all of them from Israel back to Babylon. Jeremiah Blamed all their problems to worshipping other "gods" and announced that Babylon was a punishment for their sins by Ywhw where they famously sang;

"By the rivers of babylon"
"How can we sing our lord (ywhw) song, In a strange land".

After all these a new prophet popped up, Scholars refer to him as Second Isaiah where he recorded Ywhw as saying;
"I am the first and I am the last, besides me there is no god (Isaiah 44:6)


This basically covers the idea of Omni everything

Verdict: research for yourself and make your own conclusions

3- Elohim
Abraham worshipped "El Shaddai" (one of the names of the Canaanite god "El Elyon" ), Jacob also worshipped "El Elyon" and even wrestled with him as recorded in the Hebrew texts after which Jacob makes "El Elyon" his "Elohim". All these are simply translated to mean "Lord" or "god" in English so if you read the English translation you'll never know.

With this in mind, there is no Way "Elohim" can mean a group of gods when the texts reads that Jacob declares "El Elyon" to be his "Elohim" (his primary god).

Verdict: Distortion

4 - Yahweh or {Yahweh Sabaoth(god of the armies)} was not a god

Ywhw only pops out when the Israelites were in captivity in Egypt. Although there is no archaeological evidence that the Egyptians ever had slaves numbering to what the bible tells us, let us assume they had. Ywhw appears to Moses in the form of a burning bush as the story goes and when Moses asked his name he said I am that I am.

lets take our minds back to the songs we sing (or "sang" in my case) from the bible. Exodus 15:11

"Who is like unto thee? oh lord, who is like unto thee? Amongst all the gods, who is like thee?....la la la la" The Hebrew version of this song changes "lord" to YWHW. So they did indeed consider Yahweh to be a god or at least one of the gods. Since he rescued them from Egypt, he became their god of war. Exodus 15:3. "The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name" (again, Lord here = ywhw in the original Hebrew texts)

whether he actually was a god or considered to be a god by the isrealites, the fact remain that the texts do support a "god" ywhw. So biglino is telling a lie here


Verdict: Following the texts, False


5 - Even god dies

Asheera, Baal and the rest were pretty much killed

Verdict: True

6 - The angels

Mostly true here. But I'm sure they twisted a bit here too. I will have to read up again to say something concrete here.
Verdict: True

7 - The Hebrew Language

Again, mostly true as the language only showed up later. Given the forged nature of one book in the Torah (Deuteronomy) it is highly disputed the even Moses did not exist but simply a legend

Verdict: True

8 - The Ten commandment


This is hardly relevant as these laws are too old and really do not give us a moral compass. Although I will point out that the line of argument here is flawed from start with this idea of Yahweh not wanting to create a religion.

The Israelites created Yahweh as I pointed out above and not the other way around.

Verdict: False


Summary, there is a god in the bible. He was only made up by men to make sense of their world around them. Biglino or what ever he called himself is only trying to be controversial just to sell books.


This fcking took me forever to type and you better fcking read it OP. I didn't copy paste from anywhere
All the information contained here can be verified with a few minutes of internet browsing and searching. unlike the Ideas of Mr Biglino

plaetton:

Excellent piece.

Thanks for opening my eyes to Deuteronomy 32: 8-12.

lol

why will you not say thanks to your pal, cus you have posted the same thing befor.

See how pety your line of reasoning is?

Upgrade guy.