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Only For Those Who Know Their Bibles And Some History: Who Was Jesus? by therationa(m): 12:52pm On Feb 14, 2008 |
It is universally believed by christians and non-christians that Jesus was the MOST perfect being that ever walked the earth. OK, on a purely humanistic level, Jesus may indeed have been a good man. But I think over the years following his death, a great deal of doctrinal embelishment were crafted on cosmetically on the figure of Jesus. Think of the Arian controversy (in which the question at issue was whether Jesus was simply FLESH, SPIRIT or BOTH) which was not settle until the late 4th century. Even After the Council of Nicea (325CE) which was called by Emperor Constantine, christians carried on killing each other for many decades over the real nature of Jesus. This fact is demonstrated by the very diverse nature of the christain landscape in the first 4 centuries, until christianity became the religion of the Roman empire. At this point, with the military arsenal of the Roman empire behind it, orthodox (Roman) christianity persecuted all other christian sects to extinction. Hence the demise of the various Gnostic traditions, and Arianism. But is this what Jesus would have favoured? Why was it not very obvious to his immediate followers in the early days, exactly what nature Jesus was? Why did it have to be settled in a conference (like we settle political disputes then and now)? Can we trust the verdict of these various Councils called to resolve the matter? Why did Jesus not ensure that HIS very nature would be communicated in such a manner as to leave NO doubt absolutely as to who he REALLY was? Was the Gnocticism or Docetism the correct view of Jesus? ============================================================================= Some of my other threads The Dangers Of Religious Fundamentalism To Intellectualism https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=110955.msg1929006#msg1929006 Only For Those Who Know Their Bibles And Some History: Who Was Jesus? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112697.msg1954632#msg1954632 Only For Those Who Know Their Bibles: Old Testament Stories https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112679.msg1954426#msg1954426 Human Sacrifice In The Bible: Lev 27: 29 & Judges 11 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112584.msg1953340#msg1953340 Please, Please, Please: Christians - Read Read Read Your Bibles https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112578.msg1953311#msg1953311 When Was Jesus Crucified? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112557.msg1952665#msg1952665 On Conversion To A Religion (christianity Or I-slam) https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112547.msg1952353#msg1952353 Faith-healers And Tele-evangelists https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112398.msg1950528#msg1950528 Where Did Sin Originate? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112377.msg1950291#msg1950291 For The Non-beleivers Only, 1 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112262.msg1948957#msg1948957 Would Christains Be Criminals And Offenders If They Were Not Christians? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112259.msg1948919#msg1948919 On The Authenticity Of The New Testament, Part 1 https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112240.msg1948631#msg1948631 Has Atheism Got Principle? No https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112216.msg1948180#msg1948180 It Is Biblical To Have Sex (and Lots Of It) Before Marriage https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112139.msg1946940#msg1946940 Should The Old Testament Laws Be Observed In The Modern Era? https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112114.msg1946682#msg1946682 Founding A State or Nation On Religious Principles https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=112086.msg1946268#msg1946268 Great Books About Non-belief https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111928.msg1943935#msg1943935 Who Are The Self-declared Non-believer? Resources For You https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111806.msg1942137#msg1942137 Beware of a Simplistic Interpretation of Jesus's 2nd Coming Passages https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111677.msg1939992#msg1939992 Archbishop Cause Furore Over Sharia Law In The Uk https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111645.msg1939155#msg1939155 Eminent Christian Scientist (francis Collins) Explains The Evolution Of Humans https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111482.msg1936158#msg1936158 Please, Help Me Out With Your Knowledge Of The Bible https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111474.msg1936099#msg1936099 Why Biology Is So Important To Our Modern World https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111466.msg1935975#msg1935975 Genesis Vs Genetics https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111227.msg1932655#msg1932655 Jesus Genealogy https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111222.msg1932616#msg1932616 £300 (three - Hundred Pound Sterling) Essay Competition https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=111143.msg1931508#msg1931508 Beware Of Religious Fundamentalism In Your University Campuses https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=110965.msg1929160#msg1929160 =============================================================================== |
Re: Only For Those Who Know Their Bibles And Some History: Who Was Jesus? by olabowale(m): 2:54pm On Feb 14, 2008 |
The condition (the true story) of Jesus is more than what is in the Bible. Infact it is a very different story The Bible did not tell us how his mother marry was able to survive, the Mosaic law of adultery/fornication, in the hands of the elders and others, while pregnant and delivered jesus, without a human husband and human father (for her and Jesus, respectively). How did she escape their intent to carry out the punishment, which they played out later on a woman when Jesus began his Prophetic ministry? Finally, where is the Gospel of Jesus which he preached all over the places he went? For your answer you have to go to the Qur'an. But it seemed as if you have eliminated even the thought of this Book as a reference source, when it comes to Jesus issue. I based my statement on how you worded your intro of this thread. You may correct me if i am wrong. |
Re: Only For Those Who Know Their Bibles And Some History: Who Was Jesus? by therationa(m): 5:19pm On Feb 14, 2008 |
olabowale: Thanks; But I would expect the Qu'ran to be even less reliable about Jesus than the Christian texts, given that the Qu'ran was written many centuries after Jesus lived (if he did) and all reliable records about him seemed to have been "destroyed" in the 1st century. BTW, the Qu'ran is on a par with the bible for it monstrosity, if not more. I do not know a great deal about the i-slamic tradiction. so I cannot elaborate further. 1 Like |
Re: Only For Those Who Know Their Bibles And Some History: Who Was Jesus? by therationa(m): 12:10pm On Feb 15, 2008 |
tis one too no day hard-oh. |
Re: Only For Those Who Know Their Bibles And Some History: Who Was Jesus? by luvus: 3:47pm On Feb 15, 2008 |
hi all what is the use of prooving to someone whose mind is made up on an issue? please this is what peter said 1 Pet 3:15 15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: (KJV) he said reason not argue the reason of my hope. Remember Jesus Christ doesnt have to prove to the Pharisees that He resurrected. He finally said that blessed is anyone that believes even though He has not seen becos it is given to those that grace has been given to understan. for instance, i cant use scientific tools to prove love yet i know love. so i dont have to prove anything, if u believe good if you dont its upto you JESUS CHRIST IS GOD!!! |
Re: Only For Those Who Know Their Bibles And Some History: Who Was Jesus? by therationa(m): 5:50pm On Feb 15, 2008 |
Anyone knows what the Arians and athanasians thought the nature of Jesus was? |
Re: Only For Those Who Know Their Bibles And Some History: Who Was Jesus? by cgift(m): 3:30pm On Apr 16, 2008 |
therationa: tell us. |
Re: Only For Those Who Know Their Bibles And Some History: Who Was Jesus? by Nobody: 4:00pm On Apr 16, 2008 |
therationa: These were heretics denounced by the Popes long before the year 1000BC. Why are you dragging us behind? I thought you were a modern scholar? |
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