busar: Can the xtians xplain d connection between santa and xmas?And also is there any evidence to back the celebration of xmas in the Bible? No harm intended o.

busar: Can the xtians xplain d connection between santa and xmas?And also is there any evidence to back the celebration of xmas in the Bible? No harm intended o.

busar: Since both are not biblical why partake in it?I thought u xians are emulating Jesus.there is no point doing what he did not ordered you to do and what he did not do.In summary,its baseless,not biblical and strange in the xtianity.

busar: Since both are not biblical why partake in it?I thought u xians are emulating Jesus.there is no point doing what he did not ordered you to do and what he did not do.In summary,its baseless,not biblical and strange in the xtianity.

striktlymi:

Good morning,
You asked two questions:

1) Connection between Santa and Christmas.
2) Scriptural backing of Christmas.

I will address the second question first.

There is no where in sacred scriptures where you would find the word "Christmas" just like there is no where you would find the word "Bible", "Car", "Private jet", "M.asturbation" etc. I will like you to understand that not everything is written down explicitly in sacred scriptures. If one choose to believe only what is written in sacred scriptures then it would mean that owning a private jet is wrong and unscriptural. But this is not true. Christmas has its roots in sacred tradition. If you do your research you would find out that, 25th December was a day set aside by some pagans for the worship of the "Sun god". With the advent of Christianity and in order to turn the people's heart from the worship of this pagan festival. The church decided to replace it with the veneration of the Son of God instead. Hence d commemoration of the birth of Jesus on the 25th of December.

Your first question should be answered by the following:

Santa Claus today originated from St. Nicholas, but the derivation of the Santa Claus story comes from many sources. In fact, since the Catholic church in 1969 demoted St. Nicholas from his official saintly status ~ as there were no records of his having been canonized ~ the original legend of this third century Turkish bishop is not very widely recognized as part of our Christmas celebration.

Nicholas was born into a wealthy family living in Patera, in the south of Turkey. Legend claims that on the church's fast days, Wednesdays and Fridays, the infant Nicholas nursed only after sundown.

Just one of many stories demonstrating his holy reputation is about an angel who appeared to the cardinal appointing a new bishop for the Turkish town of Mira, with a face bright like the sun, who told the cardinal to ordain the 30-year old Nicholas.

Through his priesthood in the early Christian faith, even while alive he came to be recognized for his generosity to all those in trouble. In his good-doing role as priest, one story tells of Nicholas, who took pity on a girl in his parish whose family had no dowry. Had Nicholas not intervened, this would have prevented her from marrying. He made a parcel of money from his family's coffers and donated it anonymously to the young woman and her future by throwing it in through the open window, where it is said to have landed in her stocking. This type of event occurred more than once, and Nicholas became known for late night gifts, and the granting of wishes.

A miracle of his legacy is the story of three young students who were robbed and dismembered on their way home from school, and stuffed in a pickle barrel. Nicholas is said to have appeared out of nowhere, and the boys arose at his command, intact.

In 314 A.D., at the Council of Nicea, the Emperor Constantine brought up the question of whether Christ was divine. During the arguments on the subject, Nicholas is reported to have slapped a doubting priest. (*)

Once the story of his deeds spread, he became widely known for helping those in trouble: lawyers and their clients, pawnbrokers, and sailors, as he was invoked to calm turbulent seas. And he became the patron saint of children. From his tomb, a viscous myrrh-like material oozed and was used by pilgrims as an ointment, to heal sickness. By 1082, his body was removed from where it was initially interred in Turkey, and moved to Bari, Italy by grave robbing sailors, and a cathedral was built there in his name. For centuries there were more churches in the middle ages named after him than all the apostles, and next to Christ and the Virgin Mary, St. Nicholas was the next most popular figure in Christianity.

In a French village during the 12th century, local nuns honored their patron on December 6, which became St. Nicholas Day. The nuns delivered candy to all the children who'd been good, leaving it for them in their shoes, and leaving switches in those of the naughtier children. Because they seemed to cover so much territory, some began to say it was St. Nicholas himself who delivered the gifts.

By medieval times Nicholas had become the most beloved patron saint of Europe, and through the middle ages, the story of Christmas in Europe developed to combine religious and pagan myths.

German culture told of the ancient god Voden, the mystical sky rider who would pass judgment over villages to determine who did well, and who did not. In the 16th century reformation, Martin Luther's strong Protestant church banned St. Nicholas, denouncing his popularity as a saint because it rivaled the worship of Jesus.

When Luther created the Protestant church, he realized it would be necessary to wean German children off of St. Nick, so he created Krist Kindle, the winged Christ cherub, who also flew and brought gifts to good children ~ but which instead focused the celebration around Christ. He came on Christmas Eve at Christ's birthday, which more closely coincides with the Winter Solstice, around which pagan religion celebrated the return of the Sun's light.
In England the myth developed around Father Christmas, and in France, Pere Noël. Italy's old hag Bafana, out looking for the Christ child, left gifts in her wake for other kids. The gnome Tompten was Sweden's figure, and in the U.S., Martin Luther's Krist Kindle became Kris Kringle.

It was Dutch sailors who came to the New World and would not give up St. Nicholas as their patron; when they settled, particularly around the New York area, their nickname Santer Klause became the name we know as Santa Claus.

In early colonial times around the American Revolution, the new American culture embraced most all that was not British, and so took on the Dutch Christmas celebration honoring their beloved St. Nick. Washington Irving gave the Dutch culture prominence in his "Knickerbocker Tales," which he wrote for the New York newspaper press. He mentions St. Nicholas over two dozen times in his chronicle, and it is from these writings that the original story "A Visit from St. Nicholas," better known as "The Night Before Christmas," was conceived. The poem came to Clement Clark one night before Christmas when he was riding in a horse and carriage through the snowy streets of New York City, and so went home and wrote it for his children.

St. Nick came to be depicted as a jolly man in the more familiar red suit and white beard, and Harper's Weekly publisher Thomas Nast printed drawings that brought these images to the public. By this time, St. Nicholas' bishop's staff had become the more pagan candy cane. Other popular writers in the 1800s also published variations of the Santa Claus story, and by the 1890s, the first department store santas had emerged. By the 20th century, Santa Claus was here to stay.

http://www.souledout.org/christmas/santanicholas/santanicholas.html

striktlymi:
Good morning,
You asked two questions:
1) Connection between Santa and Christmas.
2) Scriptural backing of Christmas.

I will address the second question first.

There is no where in sacred scriptures where you would find the word "Christmas" just like there is no where you would find the word "Bible", "Car", "Private jet", "M.asturbation" etc. I will like you to understand that not everything is written down explicitly in sacred scriptures. If one choose to believe only what is written in sacred scriptures then it would mean that owning a private jet is wrong and unscriptural. But this is not true. Christmas has its roots in sacred tradition. If you do your research you would find out that, 25th December was a day set aside by some pagans for the worship of the "Sun god". With the advent of Christianity and in order to turn the people's heart from the worship of this pagan festival. The church decided to replace it with the veneration of the Son of God instead. Hence d commemoration of the birth of Jesus on the 25th of December.

Your first question should be answered by the following:

Santa Claus today originated from St. Nicholas, but the derivation of the Santa Claus story comes from many sources. In fact, since the Catholic church in 1969 demoted St. Nicholas from his official saintly status ~ as there were no records of his having been canonized ~ the original legend of this third century Turkish bishop is not very widely recognized as part of our Christmas celebration.

Nicholas was born into a wealthy family living in Patera, in the south of Turkey. Legend claims that on the church's fast days, Wednesdays and Fridays, the infant Nicholas nursed only after sundown.

Just one of many stories demonstrating his holy reputation is about an angel who appeared to the cardinal appointing a new bishop for the Turkish town of Mira, with a face bright like the sun, who told the cardinal to ordain the 30-year old Nicholas.

Through his priesthood in the early Christian faith, even while alive he came to be recognized for his generosity to all those in trouble. In his good-doing role as priest, one story tells of Nicholas, who took pity on a girl in his parish whose family had no dowry. Had Nicholas not intervened, this would have prevented her from marrying. He made a parcel of money from his family's coffers and donated it anonymously to the young woman and her future by throwing it in through the open window, where it is said to have landed in her stocking. This type of event occurred more than once, and Nicholas became known for late night gifts, and the granting of wishes.

A miracle of his legacy is the story of three young students who were robbed and dismembered on their way home from school, and stuffed in a pickle barrel. Nicholas is said to have appeared out of nowhere, and the boys arose at his command, intact.

In 314 A.D., at the Council of Nicea, the Emperor Constantine brought up the question of whether Christ was divine. During the arguments on the subject, Nicholas is reported to have slapped a doubting priest. (*)

Once the story of his deeds spread, he became widely known for helping those in trouble: lawyers and their clients, pawnbrokers, and sailors, as he was invoked to calm turbulent seas. And he became the patron saint of children. From his tomb, a viscous myrrh-like material oozed and was used by pilgrims as an ointment, to heal sickness. By 1082, his body was removed from where it was initially interred in Turkey, and moved to Bari, Italy by grave robbing sailors, and a cathedral was built there in his name. For centuries there were more churches in the middle ages named after him than all the apostles, and next to Christ and the Virgin Mary, St. Nicholas was the next most popular figure in Christianity.

obadiah777: THEY ARE BOTH PAGAN RITUALS INITIATED BY THE REAL BLACK AFRICANS. THE INITIATOR IS AN ETHIOPIAN FELLOW BY THE NAME OF NIMROD. HIS BIRTHDAY IS DECEMBER 25 AND WHEN HE DIED THEY MADE A TREE FOR HIM IN WHICH THEY HUNG SILVER AND GOLD ORNAMENTS BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED HIS SPIRIT WAS IN THE TREE. THE TREE TODAY IS CALLED XMAS TREE AND THE GUYS BIRTHDAY IS CELEBRATED AS XMAS. HE WAS AN ANCIENT ETHIOPIAN ( BABYLONIAN ), THE FIRST MOST POWERFUL MAN IN THIS WORLD AND THE FIRST KINGDOM ON EARTH. NIMROD.

SANTA IS A GUY NAMED ST NICHOLAS WHO WENT AROUND GIVING KIDS PRESENT ON XMAS. SO THEY CHANGED HIS NAME TO SANTA CLAUS AND ANYONE WHO BROUGHT PRESENTS TO KIDS ON XMAS WAS CALLED SANTA CLAUS WHICH IS REALLY ST NICHOLAS.

ALL HEATHEN TRADITIONS. NOTHING BIBLICAL

Ubenedictus:
i agree with most of this post, but the part on xmax isnt exactly accurate. The xtians were already celebrating d birth of christ on dec 25 b4 d date was adopted by d pagans! Actually dec 25 was chosen independent of pagan "sun god"

Ubenedictus: this! Can u provide historical proof that d pagans celebrated nimrod's bday on dec 25?

ijawkid:

Which christians if I may ask??..........

Ubenedictus: early xtian, roman xtians to be specific.

obadiah777: GOOGLE IS YA FRIEND >>>>> http://christmasxmas.xanga.com/682535672/item/

Ubenedictus: interestingly i saw d article days ago, and it contains notes of people making the same assertion as you, and like you none of them could provide substantial historic proof that at the time d romans started celebrating xmas on dec 25 that there was a pagan feast in rome at that time. None of them provided historic proof, all of them simply made assertion u do.

obadiah777: BRAH, YOU CANNOT GET WRITTEN DOWN HISTORIC PROOF. THIS WAS THE FIRST GENTILE EMPIRE ON EARTH AFTER THE FLOOD. WE ARE TALKING A GOOD 6000 TO 10,000 YEARS AGO. EVERY TRADITION THEN WAS PASSED DOWN ORALLY AND THEY STAYED AND STUCK WITH THE PEOPLE EVER SINCE. THE FIRST GENTILE EMPIRE ON EARTH ( THE ANCIENT BABYLONIAN UNDER NIMROD ) LAID DOWN THE GROUNDWORK AND FOUNDATION FOR ALL THE PAGAN RITUAL AND TRADITION YOU SEE TODAY. YOU WANT IT IN A BOOK ? CANT HELP YA. HOWEVER GOOGLE IS YA FRIEND

wayne4loan: Stanta is just to add spice to christmas, by the way

Oahray: Yeah, ryt! How about the lies told kids that Santa is real? What of the custumes and disguises meant to deceive? Lying is lying. On a supposed birthday of Jesus for that matter.