Am just hoping someone will be saved from the likes of Cerullo, Hinn, Oral Roberts, Swaggard etc.

nd sure enough, I am an advocate for scientific rationalism

I think religion (xianity and all religions) poses a threat to our civilisation.

therationa:

Am just hoping someone will be saved from the likes of Cerullo, Hinn, Oral Roberts, Swaggard etc. And sure enough, I am an advocate for scientific rationalism. I think religion (xianity and all religions) poses a threat to our civilisation.

therationa:
Am just hoping someone will be saved from the likes of Cerullo, Hinn, Oral Roberts, Swaggard etc. And sure enough, I am an advocate for scientific rationalism. I think religion (xianity and all religions) poses a threat to our civilisation.

imhotep:

@therationa
Scientific rationalism should be able to stand on its own as a complete system. If it has to survive by bashing the belief systems of other people, then it is a weak system and also a threat to our civilization.

therationa:

Astronomy has triumphed over astrology as a way of understanding the cosmos. Today, you do not consult astrologer to determine the nature of stars in the cosmos.

Religion will eventually go the way of astrology.

imhotep:

@therationa

Now you sound like a communist. Communists believed that religion is the opium of the people. Communist states are atheistic.

Stalin headed communist Russia and is responsible for at least 20 million murders and the physicial destruction of over 3000 church buildings. This should also count as one of the achievements of rationality.

therationa:

Back to your old tactic again. Look at the title of this thread and let's discuss on topic. Otherwise, am out.

therationa:

If you want to talk on this thread, lets talk on topic, please, please, please. There's a separate thread for the other stuff.

imhotep:

@therationa
You always fail to see the link ->

1) Rationalism is "any view appealing to reason as a source of knowledge or justification"
2) Atheism is based on rationalism
3) Communism is based on atheism (among other things)
4) Stalin was a communist
5) Over 3000 church buildings were demolished during the Russian revolution
5) Stalin murdered at least 20 million of his country men

So, all rationalists [b]must [/b]claim Stalin as their elder brother and communist Russia as a [i]beautiful [/i]example of a state run on reason alone.

therationa:

Since you do not understand, I will start a separate thread, just so we can talk about Reason, Rationalism and faith. Please, leave this thread alone for discussion about faith healing and Cerullo

imhotep:

@therationa
You will be all alone on whatever new thread you are starting. Instead of tackling the core of issues, you are distracted by particular instances.

BTW, do you think you are better than all these people you are lampooning

therationa:

I did not make a claim of superiority over these people, or any one else. I am simply saying, let's examine what they are claiming to be able to do. Why is their evidence?

imhotep:

@therationa
Since your rationality does not believe in the supernatural, it should[b] remain silent [/b]about the supernatural.

matrim:

[Am just hoping someone will be saved from the likes of Cerullo, Hinn, Oral Roberts, Swaggard etc. And sure enough, I am an advocate for scientific rationalism. I think religion (xianity and all religions) poses a threat to our civilisation

@ therationa you seem to forget that our "civilization"is based on christianity.

There is absolutely no doubt that our current civilizaion has been impacted by Christian thought, but this has been a mixed bag.  On the one hand Christian ideas have impeded progress (like causing multiple wars, crusade, book burning, wicthhunts, persecutions, burning of libraries, etc, etc). On the other hand, Christian scholastic instiutions have created environments for some thinkers and scholars to thrive.

But the major impact to modern civilization come from he enlightenment thinkers and from the advocates of the scientific method, many of whom were lukewarm about christianity.

imhotep:

@therationa

Now you sound like a communist. Communists believed that religion is the opium of the people. Communist states are atheistic.

Stalin headed communist Russia and is responsible for at least 20 million murders and the physicial destruction of over 3000 church buildings. This should also count as one of the achievements of rationality.

imhotep:

@therationa
You always fail to see the link ->

1) Rationalism is "any view appealing to reason as a source of knowledge or justification"
2) Atheism is based on rationalism
3) Communism is based on atheism (among other things)
4) Stalin was a communist
5) Over 3000 church buildings were demolished during the Russian revolution
5) Stalin murdered at least 20 million of his country men

So, all rationalists [b]must [/b]claim Stalin as their elder brother and communist Russia as a beautiful [/i]example of a state run on reason alone.

imhotep:

@therationa

Scientific rationalism does not believe in the supernatural.

Now, you are trying to use the methods of[i] scientific rationalism to investigate the supernatural.

Can you see the tight corner you have gotten yourself into?

imhotep:

@therationa
Since your rationality does not believe in the supernatural, it should[b] remain silent [/b]about the supernatural.