Have been pondering on it lately! I need bible based answers

All join...all na sametry.....ah dnt fink der x any diffs

Our spirit is the organ that God has given us to
embrace, discern, and manifest the pneumatic or
windy movements of the Holy Spirit. Our souls were
never equipped for this function!! The human spirit is the organ that gives residence, or is home to God’s
Holy Spirit.

The soul (pyche or Mind) is the combination of faculties that consists of the mind,
intellect, will, and emotions. The soul performs
rational and intellectual functions.

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and
powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword,
piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul (psyche) and spirit( pneumatos)

SOUL and SPIRIT are not the same.

Soul is an invisible equipment that enable humans and other living creatures to function. Without the soul,the body cannot function. Unlike spirit, every individual possessed the soul and the extermination of the soul resulted to death of the physical existence. Soul is life and could be exist independence of the body. Our soul is our ideal world which is partly remain with us when sleeping and finally goes off at death.

Spirit is external forces,guiding or influence our existence. Unlike soul, spirit manifested or working in many forms/ways. Emotions, Love, sorrow,anger, phobia etc are all spirit. Spirit is universal causation.

I may be wrong though.

D sage: Soul is life and could be exist independence of the body. Our soul is our ideal world which is partly remain with us when sleeping and finally goes off at death.

Spirit is external forces,guiding or influence our existence. Unlike soul, spirit manifested or working in many forms/ways. Emotions, Love, sorrow,anger, phobia etc are all spirit. Spirit is universal causation.

I may be wrong though.

you are wrong man. the soul cannot exist idependent of the body. the SOUL dies.

let me bring some biblical proves

Behold, all souls
are mine; as the
soul (heb.
Nephesh) of the
father, so also
the soul of the
son is mine: the
soul (Heb
Nephesh) that
sinneth, it shall
die. Ezek 18:4
Note very carefully that there
is nothing in this text that
warrants giving the word 'soul'
an alternate meaning from the
way it is used elsewhere in the
Hebrew text. The passage,
being neither symbolic nor
allegorical, makes a direct
statement that the soul dies.
From this, any reasonable
person should be able to
conclude that if the soul can
in fact die, then surely it can
not be immortal.
But someone is sure to say,
'Well, he wasn't speaking of
the invisible, immortal soul
here, but just that the person
died.' But that is the whole
point. When you use 'soul' to
mean an invisible, immortal,
part of a man, you use the
word in a way the Bible never
does. No matter how you
choose to interpret the verse,
no one can reasonably suggest
that the 'soul' in this passage
is immortal, because the soul
that sins dies.
To me it seems very puzzling
that anyone could teach that
the soul is immortal when the
Bible is very clear that no one
is immortal except God
himself. You will search the
Bible in vain for the phrase
'immortal soul', and as we will
show, it is only by reading a
preconceived idea back into
the text that such a teaching
can be manufactured
CO
EXISTENCE
BEYOND DEATH?
The teaching of the immortal
soul declares that every man
has a conscious continuous
existence after the death of
the body. Most Christians
assume that this is clearly
taught in the Bible, but
careful study shows exactly
the opposite. The passages
which teach that no part of
man is immortal and that
death is unconscious
nonexistence are clear and
plentiful. On the other hand,
the teaching of the immortal
soul relies on a few proof-
texts which are never explicit
in teaching this doctrine. Let's
examine some of the clear
statements of scripture
regarding the state of the
dead.
For the living know that they
shall die: but the dead know
not any thing, neither have
they any more a reward; for
the memory of them is
forgotten. Eccl 9:5
If some conscious part of a
man survives the death of the
body, then how is it that
according to the Bible, the
dead know nothing? This verse
is in harmony with what we
have learned so far; that man
as a living soul ceases to exist
at death. Faced with such a
clear teaching as to the state
of the dead, it is no surprise
that commentators will go to
great lengths to show that the
verse does not really mean
what it so clearly states.
An example of this can be
found once again in the Dake's
Annotated Reference Bible.
Commenting on Ecclesiastes
9:5 Dake says:

If some conscious part of a
man survives the death of the
body, then how is it that
according to the Bible, the
dead know nothing? This verse
is in harmony with what we
have learned so far; that man
as a living soul ceases to exist
at death. Faced with such a
clear teaching as to the state
of the dead, it is no surprise
that commentators will go to
great lengths to show that the
verse does not really mean
what it so clearly states.
An example of this can be
found once again in the Dake's
Annotated Reference Bible.
Commenting on Ecclesiastes
9:5 Dake says:
'This is true so far as
the body is concerned.
They do not know
anything, and they are
not conscious in the
least, for they came
from dust, and return
to dust; but the souls
and spirits of all men
are immortal and
continue in a full
state of consciousness
between death and
the resurrection of
their bodies...' pg. 673,
col. 4
There is nothing in the text
that even remotely allows for
such a conclusion. Presented
with a plain statement that
the dead 'know not anything',
Dake makes a liar out of God
and insists that part of the
man doesn't know anything,
but part of him (the real man
in their view) still does.
The respected creationist
author Henry M. Morris, in
his Defender's Study Bible has
this to say concerning
Ecclesiastes 9:5:
'This does not mean
that there is no future
life or consciousness
after death, but only
that nothing more can
be done to earn
heavenly rewards...'
pg. 708
We have to ask; What is it in
Ecclesiastes 9:5 that causes
men such as Dake and Morris
to state the exact opposite of
what the text says? Clearly
this text will not square easily
with the teaching that men
are conscious after death.
Passages such as this are often
ignored by proponents of the
immortal soul theory but
why?
We can observe the same
pattern when considering
Psalms 6:5
For in death
there is no
remembrance of
thee: in the
grave who shall
give thee
thanks? Ps 6:5
If in death there is no
remembrance of God, then
how can someone be in
conscious existence with God?
Dake however, once again
insists that a person can:
'Death claims only the
body, not the soul and
spirit which are
immortal. It is true
that dead bodies do
not remember God,
but the soul and spirit
are not dust and
continue in
consciousness after
death to the body.'
ibid. pg. 550 col. 4
In direct contradiction to
God's statement to Adam that
'Dust thou art', Dake insists
that only the body is meant,
and man goes on living. The
fallacy of his comments on
Psalm 6:5 should be obvious,
for if only the body is meant,
then the verse is unnecessary,
and entirely without meaning.
It is obvious that dead bodies
do not give God thanks. The
thought of the verse is than in
death, men can not, and do
not remember God or give
him thanks.

A man is a living soul because of the gift of life within him ( spirit ).

when he dies, this gift returns to God and the MAN to the ground where he turns back to dust.

"By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return." - Genesis 3:19

If you notice the underlined , it says YOU ARE DUST , not YOU ARE DUST, SOUL AND SPIRIT.

Let's stick to scripture.

MAN without the life of GOD is as dead as a DODO.

@Ymodulus, why jump into conclusion that I was strong? Get your fact right,no one on earth can give precise answer to what poster was asking.

Back to your subsequent posts. What you were trying to say is that, the soul actually died and cannot live independent of the body.

Gen 2:7. And the Lord God made man from the dust of the earth,breathing into him the breath of life: and man became a living soul.

This shows that soul is external and therefore exist independent of the body.

Spirit is universal causation and it's upon it that everything exist were based.

Gen 1:2. And the earth was waste and without form; and it was dark on the face of the deep: and the SPIRIT of God was moving on the face of the waters.

This also shows that spirit is external forces and totally different from the soul.

Besides, will you please explain the concept of dream? That's, what is dream? why do we dream? What do we call our reflection in the dream? What actually cause the dream?

Ymodulus: Behold, all souls
are mine; as the
soul (heb.
Nephesh) of the
father, so also
the soul of the
son is mine: the
soul (Heb
Nephesh) that
sinneth, it shall
die. Ezek 18:4
Note very carefully that there
is nothing in this text that
warrants giving the word 'soul'
an alternate meaning from the
way it is used elsewhere in the
Hebrew text. The passage,
being neither symbolic nor
allegorical, makes a direct
statement that the soul dies.
From this, any reasonable
person should be able to
conclude that if the soul can
in fact die, then surely it can
not be immortal.
But someone is sure to say,
'Well, he wasn't speaking of
the invisible, immortal soul
here, but just that the person
died.' But that is the whole
point. When you use 'soul' to
mean an invisible, immortal,
part of a man, you use the
word in a way the Bible never
does. No matter how you
choose to interpret the verse,
no one can reasonably suggest
that the 'soul' in this passage
is immortal, because the soul
that sins dies.
To me it seems very puzzling
that anyone could teach that
the soul is immortal when the
Bible is very clear that no one
is immortal except God
himself. You will search the
Bible in vain for the phrase
'immortal soul', and as we will
show, it is only by reading a
preconceived idea back into
the text that such a teaching
can be manufactured
CO
EXISTENCE
BEYOND DEATH?
The teaching of the immortal
soul declares that every man
has a conscious continuous
existence after the death of
the body. Most Christians
assume that this is clearly
taught in the Bible, but
careful study shows exactly
the opposite. The passages
which teach that no part of
man is immortal and that
death is unconscious
nonexistence are clear and
plentiful. On the other hand,
the teaching of the immortal
soul relies on a few proof-
texts which are never explicit
in teaching this doctrine. Let's
examine some of the clear
statements of scripture
regarding the state of the
dead.
For the living know that they
shall die: but the dead know
not any thing, neither have
they any more a reward; for
the memory of them is
forgotten. Eccl 9:5
If some conscious part of a
man survives the death of the
body, then how is it that
according to the Bible, the
dead know nothing? This verse
is in harmony with what we
have learned so far; that man
as a living soul ceases to exist
at death. Faced with such a
clear teaching as to the state
of the dead, it is no surprise
that commentators will go to
great lengths to show that the
verse does not really mean
what it so clearly states.
An example of this can be
found once again in the Dake's
Annotated Reference Bible.
Commenting on Ecclesiastes
9:5 Dake says:

how can you explain hebrews 4:12

Jezuspoa: how can you explain hebrews 4:12

Hebrews 4:12

New International Version (NIV)

12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

Mr there is no place in that verse that conotes immortality of the soul. infact the bolded went on to support the mortality of the soul. cause i dont know how a sword will cut someting immortal. or have u seen it?

D-sage is right

Reyginus: D-sage is right

who made you a judge?

Which D sage is right?

Can you come and use the bible to show me how your demonic immortality of the soul is now a bible teaching?

You should be ashamed for supporting an unscriptural teaching that support what satan had told Adam in Eden that Adam will not die while God had said Adam will die.

Immortality of the soul is unscriptural, it is a lie statement that is meant to say that man keeps on "living even after death" like satan has said.

You should better start having the fear of God and his word.

Please come and show me where the bible says the soul is "immortal" because i know where the bible says the soul is mortal.

1. The spirit = the force of life

2. the soul = the life that came to be as a result of the action of the spirit on the body.

The soul is the life of the entity sustain by the spirit like electric current sustained the light in an electric bulb, when the current goes out the light(soul) dies out, when the current comes back the light lights again.

The light does not and cannot exist independently without the current.

"His breath goes out, he return to the ground, in that very day his thoughts do perish." (Psalm 146:4).

truthislight:

who made you a judge?

Which D sage is right?

Can you come and use the bible to show me how your demonic immortality of the soul is now a bible teaching?

You should be ashamed for supporting an unscriptural teaching that support what satan had told Adam in Eden that Adam will not die while God had said Adam will die.

Immortality of the soul is unscriptural, it is a lie statement that is meant to say that man keeps on "living even after death" like satan has said.

You should better start having the fear of God and his word.

Please come and show me where the bible says the soul is "immortal" because i know where the bible says the soul is mortal.

1. The spirit = the force of life

2. the soul = the life that came to be as a result of the action of the spirit on the body.

The soul is the life of the entity sustain by the spirit like electric current sustained the light in an electric bulb, when the current goes out the light(soul) dies out, when the current comes back the light lights again.

The light does not and cannot exist independently without the current.

"His breath goes out, he return to the ground, in that very day his thoughts do perish." (Psalm 146:4).

Oh mr truth. My bad. Maybe I should have indicated the part of his post I agree with. My comment would have been, 'D sage is close'. From Post number 3, I agree with everything except:
1. The soul exists independent of the body. This is wrong
2. The spirit is expressed as emotions,anger, hate etc, and an external force. This too is wrong.
Mr truth, where did I agree the soul is immortal? We're working from Post 3 only.
Btw, my opinion does not equal to judgement.

Very interesting. Maybe we should bring in soul travel, because some claim the soul can travel outside the body, or is it the spirit now? And what happens when we dream - is it that our soul travel or we just immagine things?
For people in occult, when they go for meetings, is it their soul or spirit that travel? I don confuse even, bows out. . .

@truthislight, did you even read my previous posts at all? I gave two different bible verses (Gen 2:7 and Gen 1:2) respectively to back my assumption.

Like I said earlier, what we're saying here is just an assumption. Nobody,not even Socrates,Plato,Aristotle,St Augustine or Hegel can give right answers to the question of soul and the spirit.

I'm happy you agree with me that SPIRIT is forces while the SOUL is life. Besides, the bible verse you gave does not invalidate the immortality of the soul. If I may ask according to your referred bible verse, where does his breath goes to?

pastormustwacc: Very interesting. Maybe we should bring in soul travel, because some claim the soul can travel outside the body, or is it the spirit now? And what happens when we dream - is it that our soul travel or we just immagine things?
For people in occult, when they go for meetings, is it their soul or spirit that travel? I don confuse even, bows out. . .

That was why I asked "Ymodulus" some few questions about dream, but he run. I'm still waiting for him anyway.

Truthislight and Reyginus who later refused to accept the immortality of soul should also come out to explain the concept of dream.

Note; please, my own immortality of soul does not tantamount to rising of dead in the heaven or hell.

pastormustwacc: Very interesting. Maybe we should bring in soul travel, because some claim the soul can travel outside the body, or is it the spirit now? And what happens when we dream - is it that our soul travel or we just immagine things?
For people in occult, when they go for meetings, is it their soul or spirit that travel? I don confuse even, bows out. . .

you are talking about demonic illusions.

Satan has power and makes thinks appear the way it will suit his stance.

truthislight:

you are talking about demonic illusions.

Satan has power and makes thinks appear the way it will suit his stance.

I do not understand you. Are you speaking with respect to soul-travel, or witchcraft travel?

D sage:

That was why I asked "Ymodulus" some few questions about dream, but he run. I'm still waiting for him anyway.

Truthislight and Reyginus who later refused to accept the immortality of soul should also come out to explain the concept of dream.

Note; please, my own immortality of soul does not tantamount to rising of dead in the heaven or hell.

i do no get u. are u trying to tell me dream is exprienced by d soul? or what?

bside i didnt run am here

D sage: @truthislight,
I'm happy you agree with me that SPIRIT is forces while the SOUL is life. Besides, the bible verse you gave does not invalidate the immortality of the soul. If I may ask according to your referred bible verse, where does his breath goes to?

the breath from hebrew "ruach" or from greek "pneuma" or spirit is from God.

The breath/force that sustain the life/soul is from God.

The same breath sustain animal and man.

The spirit of God is use for many other things that God does.

This animating force/spirit belongs to Yahweh.

The spirit of Yahweh does whatever Yahweh wants it to do.

That force belong to God and as such it is said that it goes back to its owner God.
It goes back to God in that the hope of life of that person ever again can only be determined by the giver of the spirit, God.

D sage:

That was why I asked "Ymodulus" some few questions about dream, but he run. I'm still waiting for him anyway.

Truthislight and Reyginus who later refused to accept the immortality of soul should also come out to explain the concept of dream.

Note; please, my own immortality of soul does not tantamount to rising of dead in the heaven or hell.

the concept of dream can be :

1. Stored info in our mind being relayed due to our unconsciouse/consciouse imaginations based on our concerns and fears.

2. Infusions of information from spirit forces into our minds.

The mind is part of the brain, having to do with our stored experiences and knowledge.

This ^^^ directly determined our likely cause of actions in life.

If spirits infused info into your mind that is what you may play out by action

pastormustwacc:
I do not understand you. Are you speaking with respect to soul-travel, or witchcraft travel?

what is the difference?

truthislight:

the concept of dream can be :

1. Stored info in our mind being relayed due to our unconsciouse/consciouse imaginations based on our concerns and fears.

2. Infusions of information from spirit forces into our minds.

The mind is part of the brain, having to do with our stored experiences and knowledge.

This ^^^ directly determined our likely cause of actions in life.

gbam u ave said it all.

anyything you dream is what u ave concieved in your mind

truthislight:
what is the difference?

Dunno,

Sometimes I wonder what is really you Christians problem. You ask an intelligent question and you give conditional statement as to where the answers should come from. DO you really think the Bible covers all aspects of life and esoteric topics like Soul and Spirit ? Let me know if you need the true answers or you wanna stay within the confines of Bible which contains little more than nothing about truth.

truthislight:

the breath from hebrew "ruach" or from greek "pneuma" or spirit is from God.

The breath/force that sustain the life/soul is from God.

The same breath sustain animal and man.

The spirit of God is use for many other things that God does.

This animating force/spirit belongs to Yahweh.

The spirit of Yahweh does whatever Yahweh wants it to do.

That force belong to God and as such it is said that it goes back to its owner God.
It goes back to God in that the hope of life of that person ever again can only be determined by the giver of the spirit, God.

Exactly what I was trying to say. That's the meaning of 'independent' I was saying.

truthislight:

the concept of dream can be :

1. Stored info in our mind being relayed due to our unconsciouse/consciouse imaginations based on our concerns and fears.

2. Infusions of information from spirit forces into our minds.

The mind is part of the brain, having to do with our stored experiences and knowledge.

This ^^^ directly determined our likely cause of actions in life.

If spirits infused info into your mind that is what you may play out by action

You try but that's not good enough to get you more that 40% marks. To understand the concept of dream, one need some scientific facts to back it up.

Billyonaire: Sometimes I wonder what is really you Christians problem. You ask an intelligent question and you give conditional statement as to where the answers should come from. DO you really think the Bible covers all aspects of life and esoteric topics like Soul and Spirit ? Let me know if you need the true answers or you wanna stay within the confines of Bible which contains little more than nothing about truth.

Yes Billyonaire, the topic is quite esoteric by nature but since the op insisted we used bible references to back up our claims,we don't have any option but to comply.

@op, I think you should re-direct your prefer source of expected answers so that we have more scientific explanation and contributions.

Ymodulus:

gbam u ave said it all.

anyything you dream is what u ave concieved in your mind

Sir, he didn't said it all. At times we dream about what we've never conceive in mind.

D sage:

Yes Billyonaire, the topic is quite esoteric by nature but since the op insisted we used bible references to back up our claims,we don't have any option but to comply.

@op, I think you should re-direct your prefer source of expected answers so that we have more scientific explanation and contributions.

I understand. Who ever asks a question should be first of all, be sincere in his quest for answers, and secondly be open to all answers as far as its true irrespective of source and thirdly be teachable. Some of pay spend money in dollars to buy and shipped research materials cos we wanted to truth, but most of these online solomons even when presented with truth for free, take it for granted.

Very simple
The body is made of dust molded in the image of God(does not necessarily mean God looks exactly like man).This body houses the soul which is the real YOU.The soul is being programmed by God(the creator) with mind and free will to do whatever it pleases .The spirit is Gods breath that makes the body alive to be able to carry the soul around and interpret what ever the soul instructs.When a man dies,it means the spirit is taken away from the body and it returns back to God.The body becomes dust and the concious soul moves out of the body and wait for judgment(giving account of all its activity on earth). The soul either goes to heaven or hell after judgement.