beejaay: i am not a fan of religious forum but was a bit taken back when i saw the cation "A forum for Muslims to share their faith. Muslims only please, even the moderators are Muslims". are we muslims scared to have our faith challenged? are we scared of what non-muslims will ask and say about us? are we not promoting segregations among Allah's creations??
if we keep this forum open for only muslims, how are people looking for answers going to get since they cant come on this forum. i think the MODs should think about this and realize they are not doing justice to Islam. Christain forum is mixed with everyone and there faith are being challenged and re-solidifies

just my own observation

Salam

maclatunji:

Wa Alaykum Salam, my guy, save this lecture for Seun the owner. Muslims did not put that notice there.

beejaay:

since you are MOD here,and am sure u are true umma dont you think it will be better if you try discussing it with seun to make Islamic threads also open and transparent

maclatunji:

Could you define transparent? There are threads from this section on front page. How much more transparent can they get?

beejaay: by censoring what people with threat has already taken out transparency. people wont put up what they think/feel the same way its in their mind and this would av defeated what they were trying to pass across.

beejaay: i am not a fan of religious forum but was a bit taken back when i saw the cation "A forum for Muslims to share their faith. Muslims only please, even the moderators are Muslims". are we muslims scared to have our faith challenged? are we scared of what non-muslims will ask and say about us? are we not promoting segregations among Allah's creations??
if we keep this forum open for only muslims, how are people looking for answers going to get since they cant come on this forum. i think the MODs should think about this and realize they are not doing justice to Islam. Christain forum is mixed with everyone and there faith are being challenged and re-solidifies

just my own observation

Salam

maclatunji:

Trust me, it is not a big problem. Apart from that warning, there is the 2nd one you have not mentioned: To avoid being banned, please ensure that your post is not offensive to Islam. That warning may put a few people off but it has not prevented trolls and other uncouth posters from posting and getting banned by me.

I understand what you are trying to say, but those who are insightful will know that we can have civil discussions without people being sanctioned even with all of these warnings.

justaqad:

its not supposed to be there in the first place.
you dont threaten them.

maclatunji:

LOL, I didn't put it there.

justaqad:

good notice.
islam is open to criticism thats the beauty of our deen.

justaqad:

good notice.
islam is open to criticism thats the beauty of our deen.

beejaay:
it should be removed i suggest.

Islam to open to everyone including critics (atleast its the only way they can have a doubtful mind which may eventually germinate)

maclatunji:

Critics come here everyday and bear their minds, there is a difference between critics and trolls. Don't confuse one for the other. Like I always tell people, talk to Seun if that is what you want. By the way, you are only two people... #LOL

justaqad:

do you want a poll or something?
lol

maclatunji:


Wharever

beejaay: i am not a fan of religious forum but was a bit taken back when i saw the cation "A forum for Muslims to share their faith. Muslims only please, even the moderators are Muslims". are we muslims scared to have our faith challenged? are we scared of what non-muslims will ask and say about us? are we not promoting segregations among Allah's creations??
if we keep this forum open for only muslims, how are people looking for answers going to get since they cant come on this forum. i think the MODs should think about this and realize they are not doing justice to Islam. Christain forum is mixed with everyone and there faith are being challenged and re-solidifies

just my own observation

Salam

beejaay:
can u also see you are silly how did u know Muhammad was a prophet, were u there?? how did u know Jesus was a messenger (ohh because your Quran said so), grow up and respect individual way of reasoning and conviction.how are u even sure u are real and existing (can u prove it??)

beejaay:
can you just imagine how people think? by subjecting people to laws that they have know say as to when and how its being unleashed is an injustice to freedom of choice of people. the shariah law is one form of Monarch mind control game. am a Muslim myself or maybe a theist and i will continue to be (am a muslim because of the definition of the world Islam which means TO SURRENDER TO ALL THAT IT IS. i surrender to death, i surrender to sickeness and sound health whichever comes, i surrender to life, i surrender to consequences of all my actions, i surrender to all things that i have directly or indirectly put on myself). I dont believe in obligation and i dont believe some people are messenger of God and others like me are not. I dont believe in Praying all the time as a form of obligation( i pray whenever i feel like praying and whenever i feel i need to be calm or maybe i should call it a form of meditation that involve recitations), i dont believe in Zakat being obligation but i believe in free-giving (zakat was created to fund the center during the beginning of Islamic era). I dont believe in Pilgrimage to mecca as an obligation ( i only see it as a tourism to marvel at the creation of the great intellect, something i will do to all other places with equal right), I believe in Prophet Muhammed to be a prophet cos am also a prophet (even though what we preach and deliver might be different but i know a message is a message). the great Intellect (otherwise known as GOD) created us equally and no one is above the other and no one should suppress what others want/wantnot (Love is Love when is freely giving and turn to hate when its forcefully asked. if God want me to Love Him he will surely want me to discover it on my own term and not ask someone to force to love me)

BetaThings:

Muslims want to be left alone to discuss beneficial knowledge. Afteral
“The religion is sincerity, the religion is sincerity, the religion is sincerity.” They said, “To who O Messenger of Allaah (PBUH)?” He (PBUH) said, “To Allaah, and His Book, and His Messenger (PBUH), and the Imaams (leaders) of the Muslims, and their common folk.” (Muslim)





May Allah give you guidance
Of course "Ihdina s-sirata l-mustaqim"

beejaay: this is where u get it wrong qouting my post. if you dont agree with what i posted and you wanna guide, dont you think it should be open to everyone so that different views can be entertained perhaps i might be wrong in ur view or better still give you a new way of viewing things

beejaay: this is where u get it wrong qouting my post. if you dont agree with what i posted and you wanna guide, dont you think it should be open to everyone so that different views can be entertained perhaps i might be wrong in ur view or better still give you a new way of viewing things

beejaay: this is where u get it wrong qouting my post. if you dont agree with what i posted and you wanna guide, dont you think it should be open to everyone so that different views can be entertained perhaps i might be wrong in ur view or better still give you a new way of viewing things

Samdul: ol u advocating 4 a name change 4 dis section,i guess u guys are muslims right?y have u nt contributed in any way 2 enlighten ppls misconceptn abt islam,at least u can start 4rm dia.

BetaThings:
If you feel concerned that muslims seem to "fear having our faith challenged" don't you think that you too might also appear to "fear having your posts quoted" to give a background to your view points

Muslim will always have our faith challenged. That is not the problem
Muslims disagree on certain issues - That is not the problem. Shayk Uthaymeen has book on that subject "Difference of Opinion Amongst Scholars"
Muslim however DON'T disagree on some fundamentals - oneness of Allah, Salat, Zakak, Ramadan fasting, Need to submit totally to Allah and His messenger (PBUH)
Enter Islam completely = Qur'an 2 : 208

The problem is those who derail thread by abusing Allah and His Messenger (PBUH). We are not allowed to sit and discuss with those *** but you are allowed to keep them off in their ignorance? isnt that why word tolerance exist? i have heard that the best way to convert people is our behaviours/attitude which am sure tolerance is part of. It is religious
But when someone abuses my parent, I stop discussing with the person. This is religious matter too. We are forbidden from allowing people to abuse our parents *** can you please show where in the Quran where it says we should suppress people freedom of speech cos the prohet or our parents is abused (the highest we could do is walk away)

Anyone can call me a fo.ol, eed.iot, stu.pid **we all need to read the Quran ourselves and stop viewing GOD with anthropomorphic traits. It does not matter. Discussion continues
People are allowed to query some Islamic beliefs, but some issues are off limits

There is nowhere where there is absolute freedom of speech *** surely you didnt read your Quran very well you would av understood it is stated clearly in the Holy book Fortress33 Verse 72 (we offered trust to the heaven, earth and mountains and they refused to bear it for they feared it;man bore it. man was unjust to himself and ignorant of its result)
Anyone who says "Death to America" is marked
Anyone who challenges the authenticity of the holocaust in Europe goes to jail
CAN has told us that they will stop restraining Christian youths from resorting to violence if El Rufai does not stop abusing Jesus
Christians who moderate the main Religious Board on NL also threaten to ban people who post insulting statements

So I DON'T believe that that warning should be removed. Seun should be supported
We should post civilly, objectively, and with empathy. That is not too much to ask
BTW Non-muslims who want to preach (to Muslims) tolerance of opposing viewpoints should DEMONSTRATE tolerance in their reaction to posts
I can criticise Christianity, philosophy, atheism etc without being offensive

BetaThings:

There is nowhere where there is absolute freedom of speech
Anyone who says "Death to America" is marked ***are you now equating AMERICA to GOD?? GOD is not human and thus he is free from human emotion****
Anyone who challenges the authenticity of the holocaust in Europe goes to jail *** there you go again
CAN has told us that they will stop restraining Christian youths from resorting to violence if El Rufai does not stop abusing Jesus
Christians who moderate the main Religious Board on NL also threaten to ban people who post insulting statements

So I DON'T believe that that warning should be removed. Seun should be supported ****if you advocate for this, then the same should be done to other sections also or where is the justice in this (the same justice that Islam preaches). Islam section having this view only SHOW ONE THING CLEARLY for everyone to infer from
We should post civilly, objectively, and with empathy. That is not too much to ask
BTW Non-muslims who want to preach (to Muslims) tolerance of opposing viewpoints should DEMONSTRATE tolerance in their reaction to posts
I can criticise Christianity, philosophy, atheism etc without being offensive *** dont you think people become offensive beacuse of what they have been fed by the media ( and we are here contributing and strengthening it.

maclatunji:


To be honest with you, it makes little sense for Muslims to be talking about Salat or Zakat for example and some funny individual posts, "All Muslims are terrorists", "religious bigots" "Bloodsuckers" and so on.

I suggest you lay low for a while and observe trends. You will see that debates with Non-Muslims happen here. Only trolls get sanctioned.

Samdul: ol u advocating 4 a name change 4 dis section,i guess u guys are muslims right?y have u nt contributed in any way 2 enlighten ppls misconceptn abt islam,at least u can start 4rm dia.

BetaThings:

You seriously believe that everyone calling himself a Muslim on NL is one?
It is a new and growing strategy of the enemies of Islam to say "I am muslim" and then launch broadsides against Islam
Those attacks are potentially more effective because bystanders who are not aware of their intrigue and agenda are led to believe that some muslims are also concerned about some issues raised by non-muslims and are "courageous and truth-loving" enough to challenge fellow muslims
Reality is that the most inveterate haters of Islam are simply evolving new strategies to stick a knife into the religion
Multiple IDs on NLs are a dime a dozen
But there are usually tell-tale signs
They are as objective and sincere in their comments as Slim Jiddi who was the centre referee in the match between Ghana and Burkina Faso

BetaThings:

Muslims want to be left alone to discuss beneficial knowledge. Afteral

beejaay:
stop being on the defensive side. Islam doesnt need anyone to defend it (dont get it twisted). everyone is a potential muslim if not one already, we should always treat them as such ( when we see people as haters, we automatically close our affectionate side and switch on our defensive/offensive side which is surely not what Islam preach)