Ages past, it was a normal thing for a woman to continue having children for her late husband, especially if he doesn't have a male child during his lifetime. The male children are suppose to carry on with the fathers name.

Fast forward to now, what's your take on it, was it right or wrong considering the fact that this women are reduced to say 'prostitute' just to have babies for a dead man and the kids growing up without a father figure.

This case is colored with your biases, therefore is either deliberately misleading or based on assumptions due to ignorance.

You say they are reduced to prostitutes? How so? Does a woman become a prostitute because she continues to have s.ex after her husband has passed away? Clearly, this seems to be your mindset, So if paradventure you lose your husband then you must remain celibate for the rest of your life. Does this woman whose husband is late not have the right to choose anybody of her own liking as a bedmate? Is it not her choice whether to remarry or remain in the family of her late husband, have s.ex and children in the name of the husband?

You also claim these children grow up without a father figure? How do you conviniently forget that we practiced(and still do) an extended family system where fathers, uncles, aunties are responsible for the upbringing of children. How then can they not have a father figure? Who says a father figure must be one's own biological or leagal father?

i don't get it.

do you mean they have babies with other men in his honor?

or do you mean this?

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2009/06/dead_man_can_father_a_child_bu.html

*Kails*:
i don't get it.

do you mean they have babies with other men in his honor?

Yes! Especially if he died without having a son, some women are forced to stay and have babies who must bear the man's name. The original father can't lay claims over the children.

nne3870:
Yes! Especially if he died without having a son, some women are forced to stay and have babies who must bear the man's name. The original father can't lay claims over the children.

really?
i dont want to disrespect anyone's culture but from my pov that's kinda strange.
i mean not even their biological fathers can do anything about it..Kinda sad.

nne3870:
Yes! Especially if he died without having a son, some women are forced to stay and have babies who must bear the man's name. The original father can't lay claims over the children.

*Kails*:
really? huh
i dont want to disrespect anyone's culture but from my pov that's kinda strange.
i mean not even their biological fathers can do anything about it..Kinda sad. undecided

If this biological father wants to claim children, then he should marry(make it legal) this woman and have as many children as he wants with her. That is tradition. Even in U.S and Europe whom you guys claim to imitate, being a biological father does not make you a legal father. The state has power to take children away from biological parents and give them over to another whom it considers a more worthy parent role. This is simply hypocrisy when you pretend that the west whom you idolize don't exercise state powers, just as we exercise customary laws/powers. The law still overrules nature in both cases.

0keyxyz: This case is colored with your biases, therefore is either deliberately misleading or based on assumptions due to ignorance.

You say they are reduced to prostitutes? How so? Does a woman become a prostitute because she continues to have sex after her husband has passed away? Clearly, this seems to be your mindset, So if paradventure you lose your husband then you must remain celibate for the rest of your life. Does this woman whose husband is late not have the right to choose anybody of her own liking as a bedmate? Is it not her choice whether to remarry or remain in the family of her late husband, have sex and children in the name of the husband?

You also claim these children grow up without a father figure? How do you conviniently forget that we practiced(and still do) an extended family system where fathers, uncles, aunties are responsible for the upbringing of children. How then can they not have a father figure? Who says a father figure must be one's own biological or leagal father?

Dnt misunderstand me please, the word prostitute if u notice was in quote, I dnt mean call girls I mean women who against their wish are asked to stay and have babies for a dead man.
Is a cultural thing sir

0keyxyz:



If this biological father wants to claim children, then he should marry this woman and have as many children as he wants with her. That is tradition. Even in U.S and Europe whom you guys claim to imitate, being a biological father does not make you a legal father. The state has power to take children away from biological parents and give them over to another whom it considers a more worthy parent role. This is simply hypocrisy when you pretend that the west whom you idolize don't exercise state powers, just as we exercise customary laws/powers. The law still overrules nature in both cases.

I doubt if the biological father can lay claims over the children.
Enlighten me please I want to know how possible it is.

0keyxyz:



If this biological father wants to claim children, then he should marry(make it legal) this woman and have as many children as he wants with her. That is tradition. Even in U.S and Europe whom you guys claim to imitate, being a biological father does not make you a legal father. The state has power to take children away from biological parents and give them over to another whom it considers a more worthy parent role. This is simply hypocrisy when you pretend that the west whom you idolize don't exercise state powers, just as we exercise customary laws/powers. The law still overrules nature in both cases.

babes..i don't admire or idolize westerners..
for one i AM a westerner lol...

and second even i know many of our laws are garbage. i am just looking at it from a natural standpoint..being a fit parent even if you are not biological is one issue..but it DOES NOT make you the PARENT. The issue of another man's seed (child) being claimed as being the child of another man "in the name of honor" in my eyes just flat out makes no sense.

again I don't want to insult anyone.
this is just my opinion.

nne3870:
I doubt if the biological father can lay claims over the children.
Enlighten me please I want to know how possible it is.

^^^ same here.

nne3870: Ages past, it was a normal thing for a woman to continue having children for her late husband, especially if he doesn't have a male child during his lifetime. The male children are suppose to carry on with the fathers name.

Fast forward to now, what's your take on it, was it right or wrong considering the fact that this women are reduced to say 'prostitute' just to have babies for a dead man and the kids growing up without a father figure.

next time you write things like this kindly specify the tribe/s that practice this custom.

ODUA_NEGRO:

next time you write things like this kindly specify the tribe/s that practice this custom.

Yes sir, next time you dnt have any meaningful thing to say just pretend u didn't see the thread.
Mtcheww

nne3870:
I doubt if the biological father can lay claims over the children.
Enlighten me please I want to know how possible it is.

*kails*:

^^^ same here

like I said before, if this biological father whom we can safely assume is an adult, wants children from this woman, then he should follow the customs(also assuming that he is not a total i.diot but is fully aware of the customs) and negotiate some "contract" with her or marry her outright, End of story. One cannot start a "no strings attached" s.exual relationship with a widow and being fully aware that this relationship has no legal foundation, then suddenly turn around after some years to claim some "fatherly" rights that he was never entitled to in the first place. By customs, the legal father of a child is the one in whose house(and name) a child was born by his wife, whether or not such child was actually sired by an outsider. The man who is trying to claim children he never planned for from the beginning is simply trying to "eat his cake and have it as well".

btw @nne3870, I don't understand your signature. Care to explain?? ie: the 6ft part.

0keyxyz:



like I said before, if this biological father whom we can safely assume is an adult, wants children from this woman, then he should follow the customs(also assuming that he is not a total i.diot but is fully aware of the customs) and negotiate some "contract" with her or marry her outright, End of story. One cannot start a "no strings attached" s.exual relationship with a widow and being fully aware that this relationship has no legal foundation, then suddenly turn around after some years to claim some "fatherly" rights he was never entitled to in the first place. By customs, the legal father of a child is the one in whose house a child was born by his wife, whether or not such child was actually sired by an outsider. The man who is trying to claim children he never planned for from the beginning is simply trying to "eat his cake and have it as well".

Thanks