tyson55: This what a serious intelligence unit should do, infiltrate the radical islamist terror group ( cell )to know the modus-operandi.

Most of the foreign intelligence unit operate this way and that is why they have scored significant level of success against terrorist organization such as Al-Qaida.

Sexually molesting people is ideal to you, no? You can't force people to join what they're not interested in. Perhaps, if the intelligence unit spent more time on looking for ways to save young kids from filthy radical Islamist bastards and their indoctrination - it wouldn't have gotten to this point. However, they're in bed all over Middle East.


Topic:

It's always medicine after death with these people. Why can't this intelligence unit lock all the rag-heads Islamic fanatics up in an isolated prison for a start. Enough of this knee-jerk reaction and superficial intelligence.

fittty: The biggest problem with religion is that,for the most part,it teaches that the world is a bad place and that there is a better hereafter, which is ironic,cause the world would probably be a better place without religion

To what exact have u studied religion before you arrive at ds conclusion

I never thought I would agree with David Lammy on anything. But he won me over with this article:

[size=18pt]Islamists, gangs, the EDL - all target alienated young men[/size]

Tighter security won't save us from more Woolwich-style attacks, but helping to protect those most at risk might

Almost eight years ago, I lost one of my dearest school friends in the 7/7 terrorist attack on London's transport network. James Adams and 25 others were murdered by Abdullah Shaheed Jamal on a train travelling between Russell Square and King's Cross. Jamal did not look like Osama bin Laden, Kaled Sheikh Mohammed or Mohamed Atta. In fact, he looked like me: black Caribbean, raised and schooled in Britain. Michael Adebolajo, one of the two people alleged to have killed Lee Rigby in Woolwich on Wednesday afternoon, has a similar profile to Jamal. Adebolajo also grew up and went to school in Britain. From the videos that have emerged, this was a man that looked and sounded like many of us. But by young adulthood, he had converted to Islam and had become radicalised enough to murder a complete stranger.

All of us want to know what security measures can be put in place to prevent this happening again but this alone will not be enough. No draconian measures to "toughen up" our borders can thwart the murderous ambition of a fellow citizen. Neither does any state have the resources to monitor every convert utterly convinced of their own righteousness. Similarly, the suggestion that the murder was a direct consequence of British foreign policy is superficially compelling – some even tried to suggest to me that my vote in favour of the invasion of Iraq contributed to James' death – but now that British troops have left Basra and are due to leave the dusty plains of Helmand next year, who truly believes this will spell the end of attacks like these? And even if they could, what sovereign nation can possibly have its foreign affairs dictated to by a violent minority?

We need to start by looking closer to home. There is no escaping the fact that terrorist attacks have almost exclusively been led and executed by young men. Males isolated from the rest of society, fixated by a binary world view where there is only faith and infidelity. But these profoundly alienated young men are not only to be found in Britain's Muslim communities – vulnerable males looking to fill a vacuum in a life absent of camaraderie and purpose are common to all ethnicities. Likewise, it is not uncommon for fringe groups of all ideological persuasions to systematically target these men by manipulating their sense of hopelessness and lack of belonging.

In one community, the English Defence League has radicalised the anger of disillusioned young white men and channelled it towards immigrant communities they believe are destroying their way of life. In another, a culture that idolises guns, knives and nihilism has drawn predominantly young black men into the world of street gangs. Boys from the age of 10 are taught to abandon all others apart from the gangs they belong to and to fight for turf with their rivals. Here, the very notion of masculinity has been bastardised to the extent that in their code, power and respect can only be achieved through intimidation and fear.

At its most extreme is the root of the horrific scenes in Woolwich on Wednesday. Radical Islamism suffocates conventional Islamic beliefs based on love and mutual respect with a diet of anger, hate and intolerance. Young men, perhaps already convinced of being outcasts, are intoxicated by teachings that not only entrench this difference further but demands that they despise the society they leave behind. Only through this prism is it possible to understand the deaths of Muslims in Afghanistan as an attack on oneself and subsequently seek revenge by the proxy of an inconspicuous soldier in a London suburb.

This distortion is so dangerous because it masquerades as an all-consuming faith. Whereas membership of the EDL or an inner-city gang can foster a type of lifestyle or, at worst, a livelihood, radical Islamism imposes a warped moral code and a polluted understanding of their purpose on earth. The attacks of 7/7 and the gruesome events in Woolwich were the products of marrying young men already drowning in their own grievances with a moral code that provides simple justifications for employing the worst excesses of human capacity.

This is no attempt to provide an alibi for the killers of Lee Rigby: no circumstance or character trait can possibly absolve personal responsibility in the case of this deliberate, gruesome murder. Neither can this possibly be caused by the recession or government cuts – there has always been a reservoir of young men that society forgets in times of both boom and bust.

But it is not unreasonable to ask why British males of a certain age and demographic but from all backgrounds almost exclusively provide the talent pool for our legions of racists, football hooligans, rioters, gang members and terrorists.

We may never be able to stop the EDL from trying to exploit the anger of young white, unemployed men. We may never be able to stop grime artists glorifying violence or gang leaders looking for impressionable black youths to do their bidding. Nor may we ever be able to stop clerics from the other side of the world inciting hatred in sermons uploaded to YouTube. But we aren't powerless. There is much more we can do to build the resilience of these young men long before they become candidates for radicalisation. We can help provide purpose to the purposeless so they cannot be manipulated. We can communicate a message of aspiration and opportunity that can cut through lives littered with grievances.

Most of all, our response should be informed by what weakens this fringe ideology the most. If the aftermath of Lee Rigby's horrific murder is that we return to a debate that isolates Britain's Muslim communities we will merely empower the racists that only wish to stoke tension. Instead, we have to empower the imams and mosques that utterly reject these heinous crimes without question. We have to strengthen the families and communities that are best placed to make a difference, not just limit our ambition to tap more phones or track more emails. We need to turn our attention to the generation of alienated and brutalised young men who remain vulnerable to the poisonous ideology of violent extremism. If we make no attempt to reach them, then we will only empower the zealots that groomed the murderers of Lee Rigby and James Adams.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/24/islamists-gangs-edl-target-young-men?INTCMP=SRCH

And what the hell did BBC and Channel 4 give airtime to that radical Islamist hate preacher, by the way?

I honestly don't trust these people!!

ITbomb: Let them just quit mentioning Nigeria .
That boy is a British raised lunatic

God bless you jare

Now this is getting very interesting. I knew there was more to the story,things like dis don't just happen. Still waiting patiently for d end-story.

london2lasgidi:
...It's always medicine after death with these people. Why can't these intelligence unit lock all the rag-heads Islamic fanatics up in an isolated prison for a start. Enough of this knee-jerk reaction and superficial intelligence.

The west continues to accommodate the Islamo-fascists because it has to - simple.
In its refusal to travel down the road of equity, with clear hands, it has become beholden to "the hate within".
You don't travel around the world spreading the gospel of (un)free-trade and globalisation and not expect some kind of blow-back.

Until Britain comes to terms with its diminished status as a world power (much like Holland and Portugal), to jettison the unhealthy relationship it maintains with reprobate rulers around the world, these hate-groups will continue to find fodder for their ignoble cause.

Lord have mercy on nigeria ooo

Which one is MI5 again? I thought the british secret agents are MI6...

london2lasgidi: I never thought I would agree with David Lammy on anything. But he won me over with this article:

those article raises some pertinent issues and gave best of suggestions

london2lasgidi: I never thought I would agree with David Lammy on anything. But he won me over with this article:

this article raises some pertinent issues and gave best of suggestions

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They knew he was a potential terrorist yet they didn't ship him to gitmo but tried to recruit him as an agent.Was that why the police didn't arrive till 30 mins after the crime ?

I don't know the intricate details of police response, but I know they call specific unit when it relates to gun or knife incidents.

It makes sense to try to recruit him as he would be the better candidate as opposed to an outsider.


I have witnessed a violent stabbing in London and it took more than 20 min for the police to come and it took 15min for the ambulance to arrive.

Can you explain why you think a late arrival by the police connotes ulterior motives?

eGuerrilla:
The west continues to accommodate the Islamo-fascists because it has to - simple.
You don't travel around the world spreading the gospel of (un)free-trade and globalisation and not expect some kind of blow-back.

Until Britain comes to terms with its diminished status as a world power (much like Holland and Portugal), to jettison the unhealthy relationship it maintains with reprobate rulers around the world, these hate-groups will continue to find fodder for their ignoble cause.

That's the truth. The empire died time ago and the "Great" before Britain was buried after the 2nd world war. I still don't see any reason why the UK continues to tag along with Americans; their myopic understanding of world affairs; and the counter-productive globalisation pipe-dream. The world is too diverse for it to be globalised.

However, they need to leave black people out their globalisation pipe-dreams and the blow-back. We've no stake in none of it, yet we're always at the receiving end of everything. Black people have to be the most used race on this planet - they all just use us for their agendas, and dump us when they're done. It seems we're the most willing tools for all their agendas due to our innate low self-esteem and lack of a true identity.

london2lasgidi:
However, they need to leave black people out their globalisation pipe-dreams and the blow-back. We've no stake in none of it, yet we're always at the receiving end of everything.Black people have to be the most used race on this planet - they all just use us for their agendas, and dump us when they're done. It seems we're the most willing tools for all their agendas due to our innate low self-esteem and lack of a true identity.

The emboldened portion of your text speaks to an incontrovertible truth we tried to avoid.

Black people need to look at the social contract again because the current arrangement simply is not working.
We are over represented in prisons and mental institutions, despite our rather small population. And now we have our youth, who have been perennially battered while trying to stay afloat, embracing nihilism.

The time for a rethink is long overdue.


Top ten: 7.5million immigrants live in Britain, 13% of the total population, with these countries making up half the number


Period: This official chart shows when people from the top ten countries entered Britain, which shows the large numbers that came in past decade

eGuerrilla:
The emboldened portion of your text speaks to an incontrovertible truth we tried to avoid.

Black people need to look at the social contract again because the current arrangement simply is not working.
We are over represented in prisons and mental institutions, despite our rather small population. And now we have our youth, who have been perennially battered while trying to stay afloat, embracing nihilism.

The time for a rethink is long overdue.

Top ten: 7.5million immigrants live in Britain, 13% of the total population, with these countries making up half the number

Period: This official chart shows when people from the top ten countries entered Britain, which shows the large numbers that came in past decade

Perhaps, it's high time we defined our African-ness/black-ness and embrace things that unite us. We're all in this struggle together, however we tend to focus on petty things that separate us. We as a people have failed and we can't let the vicious cycle continue unabated. We're everywhere trying to everything else but "us." Black radical Islamists, black rednecks, black BNP members(the Kenyan Reverend and a few black foot-soldiers), black neo-cons/neo-liberals etc.. Who are we? And what's our true identity? We stand for nothing - but we're part of everything - it's just shameful, to be honest.

Arabs are using us for Jihad. Judeo-Christian community are also using us for their crusades. We're the ones building Churches in all the nooks and crannies of the world, yet we can't save our communities from destruction. They definitely did a great job of messing up our psyche by messing us up to the point that we've become so useless to ourselves.

Anyway, when is the renaissance going to happen? Or are we destined to be like this forever?

For all I care, this guy might just have been ɑ̣̣̝̇̇
smaller pawn on the larger chess board..

mr.official:
FACE

The boy Na useless boy.He will rot in jail.

Personally, after learning more about Adebolajo, I dont think he should be called a terrorist. He is a murderer, but technically not a terrorist because he solely targeted a combatant.
Read this commentary by Glenn at the Guardian for an understanding of the terms.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/23/woolwich-attack-terrorism-blowback

london2lasgidi:

Perhaps, it's high time we defined our African-ness/black-ness and embrace things that unite us. We're all in this struggle together, however we tend to focus on petty things that separate us. We as a people have failed and we can't let the vicious cycle continue unabated. We're everywhere trying to everything else but "us."

You cannot divorce political events unfolding back on the continent from the choices Africans residing abroad make on a daily basis. While the topic of this thread makes for uncomfortable reading, it invariably illuminates the essential nature of this dichotomy. Further proof is also provided by the second chart I posted earlier which shows that despite Nigeria's reported economic growth over the last decade, an increasing number of its people chose the route of emigration. I would wager a bet that this pattern is replicated across the board.

Black radical Islamists, black rednecks, black BNP members(the Kenyan Reverend and a few black foot-soldiers), black neo-cons/neo-liberals etc.. Who are we? And what's our true identity? We stand for nothing - but we're part of everything - it's just shameful, to be honest.

Arabs are using us for Jihad. Judeo-Christian community are also using us for their crusades. We're the ones building Churches in all the nooks and crannies of the world, yet we can't save our communities from destruction. They definitely did a great job of messing up our psyche by messing us up to the point that we've become so useless to ourselves.

Anyway, when is the renaissance going to happen? Or are we destined to be like this forever?

It is within the earlier context provided that I situate the contradictions you highlight here. Mainly because of the symbiosis which exists between Africans at home and those abroad, the trend of building churches and mosques at a phenomenal rate is likely to remain unabated for some time to come. Look closely enough, and you would find that the conundrum of 'identity' is also inextricably intertwined with this process.

With the refusal of African communities abroad to engage meaningfully outside this purview, you find that some of the challenges our youth face is generally neglected. Now, whether it the sense of entitlement you mentioned earlier or the social contract of false consciousness I also wrote about, what is undeniable is that, an unusually high number of them then end up falling through the cracks.

Whereas it was once possible to frame a different kind of consciousness around issues such as 'the evils of apartheid' or 'IMF-imposed SAP policies' which help coalesce minds, successive years of living in a 'buoyant economy' has curtailed our vigilance. Cast adrift with nothing to hold onto for support, alienated and then criminalised by the time he hits 18; is it any wonder that the endangered youth considers options which extend to hate-mongering organisations?

The renaissance cannot happen in a vacuum, but with the right exogenous conditions it just might.

Deport them back to south west Nigeria where them belongs, because they are yorubas. That u own a British passport doesnot make u a British forever, u can be sent back to ur own country if find guilty of a crime.

abdulkayus: D MI5 has hand in all dis menace. There are dots to be connected. D more u look, d less u c. MI5 knows abt all dis, always tryin to put islam in bad light. D murder is unjustifiable bt there is a lot of conspiracy behind it

Wanted to say sometin about ur comment den I saw ur name and I stopped!!U and ur kind av decided to blinded by the opium of ur religion which hAs made u unable to render any meaninful contribution or comment as partains to religion.I av been havin difficulty walkin around dose 'Tebliq'(not sure I got d spellin rit) cos I am not sure of how safe is our neck.Don't knw y ur religion is always a fertile ground to cultivate terror

eGuerrilla:
You cannot divorce political events unfolding back on the continent from the choices Africans residing abroad make on a daily basis. While the topic of this thread makes for uncomfortable reading, it invariably illuminates the essential nature of this dichotomy. Further proof is also provided by the second chart I posted earlier which shows that despite Nigeria's reported economic growth over the last decade, an increasing number of its people chose the route of emigration. I would wager a bet that this pattern is replicated across the board.

It is within the earlier context provided that I situate the contradictions you highlight here. Mainly because of the symbiosis which exists between Africans at home and those abroad, the trend of building churches and mosques at a phenomenal rate is likely to remain unabated for some time to come. Look closely enough, and you would find that the conundrum of 'identity' is also inextricably intertwined with this process.

With the refusal of African communities abroad to engage meaningfully outside this purview, you find that some of the challenges our youth face is generally neglected. Now, whether it the sense of entitlement you mentioned earlier or the social contract of false consciousness I also wrote about, what is undeniable is that, an unusually high number of them then end up falling through the cracks.

Whereas it was once possible to frame a different kind of consciousness around issues such as 'the evils of apartheid' or 'IMF-imposed SAP policies' which help coalesce minds, successive years of living in a 'buoyant economy' has curtailed our vigilance. Cast adrift with nothing to hold onto for support, alienated and then criminalised by the time he hits 18; is it any wonder that the endangered youth considers options which extend to hate-mongering organisations?

The renaissance cannot happen in a vacuum, but with the right exogenous conditions it just might.

I agree with your post in its entirety, Sir.

Our religious consciousness has also deviated from the reason why those who created these ideologies created them in the first place. The early Christians and missionaries used Christianity as tool for englightment and the upliftment of their people. We can go back in time to study how Christianity was the main tool that elevated the Europeans from the shackles of darkness, to the renaissance. However, in our case, due to our criminalistic and self-centered mind-state - we're using the same tool to enrich ourselves, by ripping off the sheeple among us. All in the name of a non-existent(or unproven) paradise.

Also, there might a disconnect between Africans at home and abroad, in terms of outlook. But our destinies are still subconsciously intertwined. I say this because Africa is the "mirror" used to judge all black people on this planet - regardless of our different nationalities(or should I say pseudo-nationalities). The truth is that most kids out here(with direct ancestry in Africa) feel alienated in this system - however when they look towards Africa for inspiration, all they see is a dark continent, covered by a dark cloud, with no redemption in sight. That further fuels the anger and the need to align with something. It makes most people feel like they're in a hopeless/lose-lose situation whereby they're stuck where they are unwanted. And the other place that's meant to provide succour for them a la home-away-from-home is hell on earth. Evidently, most people are caught in the mix and they have been let down by both sides.

Also, the paradox from both sides, who have let them down, hinging the blame solely on them for everything wrong with them, is just mindless and problematic. There are tons of great kids out there who are victims of circumstances - and whose life choices would have been better, if the help had come early enough.

I've been following the semantics and dynamics of politics on the African continent for like three years now. And also, my scholarship is about Africa and its people. I hate to say this again; but our innate criminalistic nature is the reason why we probably would continue to remain at the bottom of the totem pole of everything. The "buoyant economy" crap is a part for a wider construct to continue the destruction of the African continent, while they continue to sell fake dreams to ordinary Africans. It's a big ponzi scheme. I guess that's why I'm one of the most vocal posters against celebrating mediocrity on this form. I won't say conspiracy; but it's all part of a bigger script. And the most annoying thing is that; most of the so-called "Technocrats" running the affairs of the continent right now lived in "diaspora" at one point or the other. So why can't they transfer everything they saw and learned out here to a place they all claim is "close to their hearts/home?" However, they prefer to rob their own "homes" blind; leave it in a worse state than they met it; and elope to their bases in diaspora, afterwards.

So evidently, our lack of identity, self-centeredness and self-hate also play a major role in how dysfunctional we're as a people.

idnoble135: i pity the young man. What a wasted life and a waste of potentials.

ABI YOU SAY YORUBA NO BE FANATIC OR RELIGION BIAS, WHAT IS HAPPENING FRIENDS

sakaguchi: Oya na! Source?

u are dumb, what source? Canny u seee d source at d bottom. Learn how to read.