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Clark - President Is Too Powerful, Let's Have Prime Minister by iykofias(m): 12:54pm On May 27, 2013
The Ijaw National Leader, who
spoke with selected Journalists in his Asokoro
Residence, Abuja observed that the Nigerian
president is too powerful, and we should combine
both presidential and parliamentary system of
governance. "Any of these systems can succeed but because the
fault is our not the system. If we practice presidential
system as it is practiced in America there is nothing
wrong with it. If we practice parliamentary as it is
done in Britain or Canada, there is not wrong with it.
But when you deliberately combine the two to suit
your own purpose, to take what is good for you and
leave what is not good for you.
The only difference is that parliamentary system is
less costly. It is not as expensive as the presidential
system. But the same election you would conduct in
parliamentary is the same you will do in presidential.
In some countries where they combine the two, the
prime minister is the man who runs the day to day
activities of the government.
You will find that the president becomes too powerful
in Nigeria and anybody who wants to sue his power
to the fullness, with the type of constitution we have
in Nigeria, will be a dictator and we have seen that in
the past. From the civilian governments we had in
the past, some of them were more dictatorial than
others. So I believe if we have a constitution, which is
a bit of parliamentary and presidential we can do
better."
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Re: Clark - President Is Too Powerful, Let's Have Prime Minister by funnyx(m): 1:01pm On May 27, 2013
Parliamentary system of govt is the best for Nigeria especially they type we practiced in the first republic.
Re: Clark - President Is Too Powerful, Let's Have Prime Minister by CROWE: 1:03pm On May 27, 2013
I think he means Federal system and Unitary system rather than Presidential and Parliamentary because Canada's government is more like America's than it is like the English. The core of his argument though is that the presidency is too strong and that is the truth.

funnyx: Parliamentary system of govt is the best for Nigeria especially they type we practiced in the first republic.

Nigeria's problem is that the president is too strong, you don't need to switch to Parliamentary system to rectify that.
Re: Clark - President Is Too Powerful, Let's Have Prime Minister by funnyx(m): 1:26pm On May 27, 2013
CROWÉ: I think he means Federal system and Unitary system rather than Presidential and Parliamentary because Canada's government is more like America's than it is like the English. The core of his argument though is that the presidency is too strong and that is the truth.



Nigeria's problem is that the president is too strong, you don't need to switch to Parliamentary system to rectify that.

Apart from the president being too strong, the presidential system of govt is too expensive especially with the bi-camera legislature and their retinue of aides.
Re: Clark - President Is Too Powerful, Let's Have Prime Minister by UyiIredia(m): 1:30pm On May 27, 2013
CROWÉ: I think he means Federal system and Unitary system rather than Presidential and Parliamentary because Canada's government is more like America's than it is like the English. The core of his argument though is that the presidency is too strong and that is the truth.



Nigeria's problem is that the president is too strong, you don't need to switch to Parliamentary system to rectify that.

I think it's needed because it's less costly and give autonomy to the autonomous regions to develop at their own pace.

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Re: Clark - President Is Too Powerful, Let's Have Prime Minister by CROWE: 1:45pm On May 27, 2013
Uyi Iredia:

I think it's needed because it's less costly and give autonomy to the autonomous regions to develop at their own pace.

Giving autonomy to the regions is called Federalism, it has nothing to do with presidential system or parliamentary.

funnyx:

Apart from the president being too strong, the presidential system of govt is too expensive especially with the bi-camera legislature and their retinue of aides.

Yet there are countries that practice it, have you ever wondered why that is? Also, the expensive bit is the fact that a nation is a federation rather than a unitary state not because they have a presidency, you people are mistaking things here, also a country can be parliamentary and still have bicameral legislature and vice versa, most of them do.

You guys really should go and research these things properly.
Re: Clark - President Is Too Powerful, Let's Have Prime Minister by Nobody: 1:54pm On May 27, 2013
funnyx: Parliamentary system of govt is the best for Nigeria especially they type we practiced in the first republic.

I concur... Like the type practiced in the First Republic with the exception of the Hausa... The Hausa can be the figure head president this time around with an Igbo Prime Minister and my yoruba boy can come in anywhere.
Re: Clark - President Is Too Powerful, Let's Have Prime Minister by funnyx(m): 2:01pm On May 27, 2013
ledafaze:

I concur... Like the type practiced in the First Republic with the exception of the Hausa... The Hausa can be the figure head president this time around with an Igbo Prime Minister and my yoruba boy can come in anywhere.

Stop being a tribalist, at least with the type of regional govt practiced then each region can develop itself. It doesn't matter where the prime minister comes from as long as their is regional autonomy.
Re: Clark - President Is Too Powerful, Let's Have Prime Minister by funnyx(m): 2:05pm On May 27, 2013
CROWÉ:

Giving autonomy to the regions is called Federalism, it has nothing to do with presidential system or parliamentary.



Yet there are countries that practice it, have you ever wondered why that is? Also, the expensive bit is the fact that a nation is a federation rather than a unitary state not because they have a presidency, you people are mistaking things here, also a country can be parliamentary and still have bicameral legislature and vice versa, most of them do.

You guys really should go and research these things properly.

Because those countries are less corrupt compare to Nigeria, of what use is bicameral legislature to Nigeria? Also what benefits do we get from these aides? We can't even see these legislative members, no town hall meetings, no regular surgeries undecided
Re: Clark - President Is Too Powerful, Let's Have Prime Minister by Ikengawo: 2:27pm On May 27, 2013
Honestly, it's not the system it's the people. Nigerians have a lot of unhealthy attitudes and notions about authority and power in all respects of life and little sense of duty or long term thinking. Nigeria has one of the best constitutions in the world, but what does it matter if nobody wants to learn what's in it, follow it, or challenge abusive leaders that misuse it?

what does it matter if we have a parliamentary system? In the average Nigerian school the head master behaves like a monarch, why wouldn't the prime minister? is that not the problem we're having with the presidency? something as common as a governor's forum election (mind you the leader of the forum have NO authority) has turned into a civil war.

it's not the constitution, it's not the presidency, it's the people and their culture.

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Re: Clark - President Is Too Powerful, Let's Have Prime Minister by CROWE: 2:37pm On May 27, 2013
funnyx:

Because those countries are less corrupt compare to Nigeria, of what use is bicameral legislature to Nigeria? Also what benefits do we get from these aides? We can't even see these legislative members, no town hall meetings, no regular surgeries undecided

Have you considered why those countries are less corrupt than Nigeria? Also these aides that you consider a waste, is it just not working for Nigeria or is there something else that is responsible for their failure.

Let me explain a bit, when there is poor circulation of power and resources the entire system suffers, offices were established without being granted the right powers and responsibility or being properly defined, some established with overlapping duties and you find that the entire system decays, we have governors yet the president is granted more powers in the states than the governors then local governments are established with no real power while still having jurisdiction and taking responsibility away from the governors so nothing works. Things like corruption set in because many offices are not adequately engaged if they are at all and idle minds become the devils own, all our problems including corruption are mere symptoms of the original disease, "counter intuitive and stupid constitution syndrome", we don't need to change our government, the one we have is best for Nigeria, what we need is to do it properly.

Bicameral legislature is aimed at preventing the tyranny of the majority, Nigeria is uniquely susceptible to this because of the disparity in size of our many ethnic and religious groups, if ever there was a country that needed bicameral legislature it is Nigeria.

Finally, please, when you have a problem please try to understand why you are having that problem instead of just trying to remove it because if it is the result of something else the original problem still remains and you end up complicating things. What I am saying is, like Nigeria's previous rulers you just saw something that wasn't going right and never bothered to figure out why instead you thought "let us do this to get rid of it", it is very dangerous way of thinking. Our president was intentionally made too strong so that anther autonomous region cannot start a war, yes our problem now was intended as a solution to another problem(can you imagine), nobody tried to understand the Igbo, they just decided to prevent them from doing it again and caused more problems so in the future stop suggesting off the top of you head that we get rid of things that aren't working instead of understanding them, thanks.
Re: Clark - President Is Too Powerful, Let's Have Prime Minister by funnyx(m): 2:38pm On May 27, 2013
Ikengawo: Honestly, it's not the system it's the people. Nigerians have a lot of unhealthy attitudes and notions about authority and power in all respects of life and little sense of duty or long term thinking. Nigeria has one of the best constitutions in the world, but what does it matter if nobody wants to learn what's in it, follow it, or challenge abusive leaders that misuse it?

what does it matter if we have a parliamentary system? In the average Nigerian school the head master behaves like a monarch, why wouldn't the prime minister? is that not the problem we're having with the presidency? something as common as a governor's forum election (mind you the leader of the forum have NO authority) has turned into a civil war.

it's not the constitution, it's not the presidency, it's the people and their culture.

Hmmm you're right bro...
Re: Clark - President Is Too Powerful, Let's Have Prime Minister by iykofias(m): 2:42pm On May 27, 2013
Ikengawo: Honestly, it's not the system it's the people. Nigerians have a lot of unhealthy attitudes and notions about authority and power in all respects of life and little sense of duty or long term thinking. Nigeria has one of the best constitutions in the world, but what does it matter if nobody wants to learn what's in it, follow it, or challenge abusive leaders that misuse it?

what does it matter if we have a parliamentary system? In the average Nigerian school the head master behaves like a monarch, why wouldn't the prime minister? is that not the problem we're having with the presidency? something as common as a governor's forum election (mind you the leader of the forum have NO authority) has turned into a civil war.

it's not the constitution, it's not the presidency, it's the people and their culture.
wot has d govt done to warrant a healthy attitude from d masses toward dem should b d focal point here, and my answer is NOTHING!. But on d issue on ground, I think d very problem wit nigeria is tied wit ethnicity descrimination (like d issue of Zonning) which has to stop. Having a head of state n a prime minister can't go well,knowing how d two wil want to av dominance over each other wil only spell doom 4 d nation.
Re: Clark - President Is Too Powerful, Let's Have Prime Minister by iykofias(m): 2:43pm On May 27, 2013
Ikengawo: Honestly, it's not the system it's the people. Nigerians have a lot of unhealthy attitudes and notions about authority and power in all respects of life and little sense of duty or long term thinking. Nigeria has one of the best constitutions in the world, but what does it matter if nobody wants to learn what's in it, follow it, or challenge abusive leaders that misuse it?

what does it matter if we have a parliamentary system? In the average Nigerian school the head master behaves like a monarch, why wouldn't the prime minister? is that not the problem we're having with the presidency? something as common as a governor's forum election (mind you the leader of the forum have NO authority) has turned into a civil war.

it's not the constitution, it's not the presidency, it's the people and their culture.
wot has d govt done to warrant a healthy attitude from d masses toward dem should b d focal point here, and my answer is NOTHING!. But on d issue on ground, I think d very problem wit nigeria is tied wit ethnicity descrimination (like d issue of Zonning) which has to stop. Having a head of state n a prime minister can't go well,knowing how d two wil want to av dominance over each other wil only spell doom 4 d nation.atleast for now, our leaders r not mature enuf for dat
Re: Clark - President Is Too Powerful, Let's Have Prime Minister by CROWE: 2:46pm On May 27, 2013
Ikengawo: Honestly, it's not the system it's the people. Nigerians have a lot of unhealthy attitudes and notions about authority and power in all respects of life and little sense of duty or long term thinking. Nigeria has one of the best constitutions in the world, but what does it matter if nobody wants to learn what's in it, follow it, or challenge abusive leaders that misuse it?

what does it matter if we have a parliamentary system? In the average Nigerian school the head master behaves like a monarch, why wouldn't the prime minister? is that not the problem we're having with the presidency? something as common as a governor's forum election (mind you the leader of the forum have NO authority) has turned into a civil war.

it's not the constitution, it's not the presidency, it's the people and their culture.

What is the point of the state government if it has no power? What is the point of a local government that is subject to many other entities(a goat that belongs to everybody will starve), how can one man be expected to govern a nation of 170 million people( it is because Nigeria is so big and diverse that we went Federal yet our current constitution gives all power to one man making us effectively unitary so why does it still declare Nigeria as a federation)

The constitution is the most idiotic document ever written by a adult since the invention of writing.

The governors forum was established by the governors in an attempt to lobby for powers that should be granted them by virtue of the fact that we are a Federation, they shouldn't even have to make a forum so the forum is not the problem, their forum is a reaction to the problem. once again, maybe you should have considered why they made the forum instead of criticizing them for it blindly.
Re: Clark - President Is Too Powerful, Let's Have Prime Minister by Nobody: 5:44pm On May 27, 2013
Lmao look at Nigerians discussing systems of govts....

God is about to pay you fuxckas back for your years of insolence towards the running of your country: United States is about to become the largest oil producing country in the world. That means they won't be needing your oil. Y'all about to be broke as hell. Let's see how your corrupt govt intends to maintain their lifestyle when no more oil revenue comes in from the U.S.
Re: Clark - President Is Too Powerful, Let's Have Prime Minister by CROWE: 10:18pm On May 27, 2013
What third world dump are you from?

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