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|Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria? by marcustan(m): 3:18pm On May 28, 2008|
This has realy been bugging me 4 quite a wyl.I just started learning Java and networking together,they are both realy nice and am wondering the one i should focus more on.Any opinion of yours will be highly appreciated.
|Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria? by Bossman(m): 8:16pm On May 28, 2008|
Which one of them to you feel you like doing? You should know where your strengths lie. Do not go into a profession ONLY because of the money. You must have a passion for it. If you do not like a something and you go into it just for the money, most of the time you will not have a successful career doing it.
|Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria? by sbucareer(f): 8:25pm On May 28, 2008|
Bossman is 101% right. Follow his idea(s)
|Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria? by aphoe(m): 3:33pm On May 29, 2008|
go for which one of them u are passionate about. dont base ur decision on money
the truth is, u actually get paid more for how good ur job is. there are networkers that earn more than some java programmers and vice versa. its just a matter of how well u can market urself
|Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria? by javalove(m): 7:42pm On Jun 01, 2008|
|Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria? by Ghenghis(m): 7:37am On Jun 02, 2008|
Its good to have a healthy understanding of all areas of IT, but at a point you just have to make a decision.
You could go into Network Programming
There aren't enough of those around ,
Programming is probably the less saturated area right now but like @ahoe says, it depends,
You have a good problem
|Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria? by kanirip: 5:31pm On Jun 04, 2008|
Maybe I'm not as happy or optimistic as my fellow posters to this thread, but I fear I will have to take a different perspective from what everyone else has said.
In my opinion, unless you are outstanding(or believe you can be 'with good reason') in programming then choose Networking everytime! Now when I say outstanding I mean that you'd be so good in programming whatever the language to be used for the program. From SQL to Assembly, Coldfusion to Esterel. You must be 'the' complete programmer!
And you must truly LOVE programming because the matter of fact is that when you start in Software Development in this country you might have to tolerate getting paid just enough to transport you to the office and back home!
I am of the belief that the reason why Networking is saturated is because its much easier to learn and you get paid much more for expertise than for programming! Do you know how mcuh you'd get paid for being able to 'configure'( which may involve programming) a Cisco VOIP router to send email/records calls after calls from certain IPs are made/received!
Do you think it'd be the same if you created a program to generate 256-bit Security Certificates Hashes which could could be used to transport, say EMail messages across unsecured networks as well as guarantee non-collision for a very high amount of input combinations and was immune to the current Debian SSL Debacle, even if run on Debian/Ubuntu?
Hence why I am suggesting it!
I won't be surprised to hear that the best programmers in this country are working for Shell/Chevron/ExxonMobil doing pet projects at home to remind themselves that they are programmers. I can't blame them! The VB programmers who develop our in-house application where I work get paid something around the region of 60K a month.
I mean. That is ridiculous!
And my co-workers wonder why it takes a long time for signature uploading functionality to be added to the application!
Another funny example, A friend of mine wanted to help a dry-cleaners to develop some software which would help the owner track all transactions done by his workers. It had some long list of features he wanted which included the ability to track when one of his workers tried to cheat him(How he expects this to be done I will never know), the application should stop/ or report workers whenever they 'tried' modify a price for a type of garment, it should place an audit for everything any user did ( except himself of course which is itself a security risk in itself). He also wanted to be able t track it from the comfort of his home!
He wanted to pay 20K for the application!
There are so many reasons why I feels Software Development is stunted but that is for another thread!
For everything I said beforehand I stand to be corrected!
|Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria? by Ghenghis(m): 7:15pm On Jun 04, 2008|
@kanirip you are cynical but mostly, correct.
CCNA certs are a 1 naira per dozen ,
so the really good networking guys now chase CCNP,CCIE etc.
Don't discourage the brother, lets give him perspective ,
@marcustan Naija is more of a consumer country than manufacturing hence , Cisco would bring their product we master them and start using the products
(Thats our typical networker)
to create a program/application(even a poor one, i've seen mannnnnnnny) you have to have some element of creativity
In all areas where such creative skills are used there is also a tendency for the effort not to be recognized, if it where that easy then it wouldn't be creative
You can figure out the rest ,
I can assure you, not all programmers earn 60k ( so please know more than just VB)
Ultimately you find whatever you do rewarding, programming or otherwise ,
|Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria? by mishooo(m): 7:44pm On Jun 04, 2008|
Am into IT (software Programming) in Lagos and i can tell you if you are after the money, then go into Networking and be creative, soon the money will come rolling. That is Nigeria of Today. But Programming is a field that is still growing up in Naija because we still appreciate customized programs/softwares.
But believe me, if you go into software programming AND YOU ARE PATIENT till you become good ( and i mean GOOD), the money that will be rolling in soon and will surpass those of Network/Hardware guys.That is Nigeria of tomorrow.
Big and Multinational Companies are now going into using customized Softwares a little gradually and of course need Software guys to support and maintain it. Since their income come from the software edge they have, they tend to pay you much money to keep the ideas flowing.
just my 2 kobo
|Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria? by javalove(m): 8:30pm On Jun 07, 2008|
Before i start, let me say u write well. try applying to any of naija's print media house to be a columnist on IT issues in nigeria, lol
Your points were clear and well stated.
You dont need to be good to the extreme before you can start making good money. The case studies you used does not apply to most naija developers, i mean me for example. It depends on exposure, ur targets and of course CONNECTIONS. Thats wat naija is "almost" all about. With your connection, even if what you know is MS Access macros, you go count your cool millions without sweat.
I have never sold a 100k application (no blabs here, for real), and i tell u d kind of apps i develop sometimes, i feel like i am cheating my clients with the money i get. Its al about packaging too and not sell yourself cheap. T[b]he problrm with naija developers is that its every job that comes their way they want to do. you don't have to do every job. dont act hungry and always stand on ur price[/b]. These might not be same for all of us but at least, i believe its a good business practice.
Taling about loving programming, this applies to every profession that invloves creativity e.g graphics design. To get maximum satisfaction from any job, the love has to be there and programming is not an exception. If you dont luv the networking, then it becomes a difficult profession but if you do, it is seen as easy.
Programming in this country boild down to getting the big job. You can only get he big job if you know the right pips. Sometimes i make what bankers or network engineers earn in 5 months from one job. Sometimes i dont make anything for 5 months! I have never looked for job nor seek for employment.
So it depends on the side of naija u are exposed to,
|Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria? by kanirip: 11:55am On Jun 10, 2008|
I'm happy that not everyone thinks I am talking out of my backside!
As I said earlier the problems with Software Development in this country are too numerous and pretty much all of them are chronic and fatal. Ranging from the attitude of Executives to anything IT to the Otigba Market, too many factors play against the Software Developer and Software Development in Nigeria!
As for the guy that said that 'Connections' was needed in Nigeria, I fear that is another reason why software development in this country is pretty much comatose! I am quite certain that you didn't have this in mind but it is not hard to imagine how connections have allowed people with crap Software Imagination and even worse Software Applications to be granted Software Projects. I mean has anyone tried to use cscsnigerialtd.com or nigeria.com( which was apparently sponsored by the Nigerian Government!)?
The CSCS website is damn near unusable during working hours in Nigeria and isn't completely functional with the second most popular browser on the planet (Firefox)! In fact the site started messing up with IE as well just so that firefox didn't feel left out. And its also 'Proudly Nigerian'!
There is no single Nigerian application (that I am aware of) which is used en masse by any noticeable populace outside these shores. And to be particularly honest I don't think there is any Nigerian Software used in Nigeria by any notice populace within the country!
I happily stand to be corrected in anything I've said in the previous paragraph.
We need some 'Dansa' or perhaps better 'Fruta' software in this country!
And yes I'm a programmer. And a crap one at that, at least by my own standards! But the fact that I, in my crap state, can still break the security of 80% of the Nigerian Software I have come across gives you an impression of the esteem in which I hold Software Development in this Nation.
I have not developed Software 'professionally' but if I were to be the author of any financial software in this country in its current state, I'd be terribly dissapointed in myself!
|Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria? by sbucareer(f): 9:45pm On Jun 11, 2008|
kanirip, thanks for that last post. You said your mind at least. Incase anyone happens to work for cscsnigerialtd, your problem is cluster.
Your Information Technology is not deployed very well and perhaps listen to Kanirip and get proper software developer to tweak the system. Don't feel bad. Even in the UK, their critical software system is designed by Indians and maintain by Britons.
You can use the same concept. By maintaining other people software you can learn a lot for yourself.
|Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria? by javalove(m): 5:01pm On Jun 13, 2008|
|Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria? by oladipoatinuke(f): 11:11pm On Oct 10, 2015|
:PWhat i will say is follow ur heartWhat i will say is follow ur heartWhat i will say is follow ur heart
|Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria? by Nobody: 6:11am On Oct 11, 2015|
oladipoatinuke:Your Pix Defined yu as a Programmer..
Are yu one indeed??
|Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria? by ademolainfinity: 9:16am On Oct 13, 2015|
I think java is pretty good
|Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria? by kanirip: 3:02pm On Oct 18, 2015|
Its been a long time and seeing this thread again brought back so many memories of the good ol' days when I was still optimistic
While in the time being since I wrote my last post on this topic, I have changed jobs 2 or 3 times, my thoughts on the subject have not changed. If anything they have gotten worse.
My advise to anyone on this is to choose neither! Yes, none of them. I would recommend for any newbie/graduate in IT to enter System Administration as their 1st job!
The simple reason being that System Administration is a role that would pretty much always be in a Shortage of skills, no matter the environment. In addition, the beauty of System Administration is that it brings out the genius and the specialty out of you.
A system administrator who wants to be a Network Specialist will find himself being touted as the best Network guy in the Team and this will allow you either grow in the same organisation as the Network Specialist or let you grow your career else where as the Network Specialist.
The same rules apply for Database Administrator, Windows Enterprise Admin and Unix/Linux Admin.
Everyone I have seen grow technically as followed this route in one way or the other.
The above rules simply dont apply for a Programmer ( whatever language or facet).
You could be an amazing Programmer working as a System Administrator and nobody would notice ( maybe if your users are kind they will know a the guy that does things quickly) and the market to grow into is very very constricted!
You see, the economic rules simply dont apply. A Chinese or Indian cant manage your Network or Systems for you from China or India BUT a Chinese or Indian can write software for you very very cheap. And there is also a plethora of Nigerians unemployed who self-taught themselves Programming who are also going to compete for any job you may be looking for
So you find solid programmers languishing in dead end jobs, making ends meet either doing side jobs or waiting for the next Shell/Chevron/Total recruitment while their employers keep thinking to themselves if they should move to their Jobs to India or China.
I would say the average pay grade for an experienced Programmer in this country would be in the 200-350K/month range ( and by experienced I mean 4-6 years).
The odds are simply not good for someone in Nigeria that starts out as a Programmer and to aggravate the matter the educational system doesn't empower the students to compete with their Chinese or Indian counterparts nor would it tell you the reality of the Job Market for Nigerian programmers
Summary: As someone earlier said, Follow your heart.... But let your brain be your guide
|Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria? by Nobody: 8:32pm On Oct 18, 2015|
U are very experienced and wise on matters like this. Wit web tech, i can build and manage my site and make change, build sites for clients bla bla bla.....
But I really need a professional advice from someone lik u. Do u think its a good idea? Or is there a back-ground phenomena which i'm still not getting?
Pleas help a brother.
|Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria? by Townhighlights(m): 9:55am On Oct 21, 2015|
|Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria? by kanirip: 11:40pm On Oct 22, 2015|
Omagzee:My apologies for this late reply.
Have you tried building websites for any client in Nigeria?
Nigerian clients are whimsical, ignorant and extremely arrogant. And to aggravate matters they are broke!
I should know this as I actually built a site for my OWN extremely enlightened brother as a client and I was frustrated, I can only imagine how bad it would have been if I was working for someone with no familial ties.
I know that big companies such as IBM, Google and Cisco are putting their backing behind Node and for good reason, the idea that a front end developer would also be able to program the Back end of the Web App is very enticing and appealing.
You dont want to have too many things to learn
And try and also learn about what the Spammer said above me... Learn Cloud Technologies, especially IaaS ( infrastructure as a Service) and PaaS (Platform as a Service)
|Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria? by yungcheda(m): 11:00am On Oct 23, 2015|
but which language/s move well in Nigeria market??
|Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria? by sukkot: 11:42am On Oct 25, 2015|
javalove:I need someone to build me a personalized software. are you up to the job ?
|Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria? by sukkot: 11:45am On Oct 25, 2015|
kanirip:recommend to me a GOOD software developer. i need an application made for an establishment. the establishment pays well
|Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria? by Nobody: 6:28pm On Nov 21, 2015|
good evening, i hav been trying to reach out to you for weeks now but Something is wrong wit my NL account.
I came up wit an imaginery problem, and here is how it looks like:
Hmmm i dont knw if you'll get the point i am trying to make.
Data storage on the client side is not safe at all too.
I hav not by any chance come up with anything reasonable about cloud technology and i'll be glad if you could point me to a source.
I would still lov to hear from an experienced and reasonable developer lik u.
Thanks in advance.
|Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria? by kanirip: 7:27am On Nov 30, 2015|
Hi, So sorry for responding so late to this.
Let me start of by saying that I am happy that some people are still thinking about Technology in this country. With fuel scarcity, Boko Haram and NEPA we all know its not easy to keep thinking. But with that I have to say that while the idea is novel and sounds good, it is very impractical and I will give my reasons.
This is not even novel. A LOT of sites are already doing this and it has been proven to be extremely successful ( with some going as far as saying this is the future of web development), so yes this is a very sound thing to proceed with. It is successful and will remain successful in the coming decade at least.
Please PM me or something and we can share information... Best of luck in your endeavors.
|Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria? by Nobody: 8:45am On Dec 13, 2015|
i lost access to the e-mail i used in opening this NL account. Are u on Whatsapp? This is the new e-mail opened: OgwucheJay@gmail.com
|Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria? by raypex(m): 12:24am On May 25, 2017|
Hi everyone, though old, this post inspires me. Thanks to all those that contributed. I am a university undergraduate and am self-learning Java. Am getting preety good. If anyone of you is willing to mentor me I'll be grateful. Please email raypex2 at gmail.com .
|Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria? by Facelessforum: 11:49pm On Dec 29, 2019|
|Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria? by Facelessforum: 11:52pm On Dec 29, 2019|
|Re: Java Programming Vs Networking: Which Is More Profitable In Nigeria? by SOLARPOWER1: 5:18pm On Feb 26, 2020|
Hello house, I need be counsel from experience Network Engineers go Nigeria...Thought I am a graduate of Elect/Elect with a cgpa of 4.06, I have zero experience in Network Engineering.....I love the field and I recently gained admission to a master's program in Communication Networks in Germany... My question is do you think I will be able to break into the Networking industry by just acquiring this degree... The school is one of the best in Germany and German universities are very big on practicals but I still need advice from the house, I graduated 5years ago but all my job experience has nothing to do with engineering... I NEED ADVICE before taking this decision
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