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PDP Members Are Welcome To APC – Odigie-oyegun by Gbawe: 9:53am On Aug 04, 2013 |
http://www.punchng.com/politics/pdp-members-are-welcome-to-apc-odigie-oyegun/ PDP members are welcome to APC – Odigie-Oyegun |
Re: PDP Members Are Welcome To APC – Odigie-oyegun by Gbawe: 9:56am On Aug 04, 2013 |
Continued .... Leaders of the APC have always described the party as a better alternative to the ruling Peoples Democratic Party. What are the qualities the APC has that the PDP lacks? |
Re: PDP Members Are Welcome To APC – Odigie-oyegun by Gbawe: 10:00am On Aug 04, 2013 |
Conclusion. Some people are of the opinion that the APC may not be better after all because some ex-members of the PDP, which the APC often condemn, are in the new party and more of them are still coming to eventually make the two parties look alike. Do you agree? 1 Like |
Re: PDP Members Are Welcome To APC – Odigie-oyegun by UyiIredia(m): 10:05am On Aug 04, 2013 |
Gbawe: Conclusion. Time will justify or condemn this conclusion. Till 2015 and beyond. |
Re: PDP Members Are Welcome To APC – Odigie-oyegun by Gbawe: 10:39am On Aug 04, 2013 |
Uyi Iredia: Indeed. Overall, I expect the leaders of the APC to always acquit themselves well because any Nigerian able to rise above sentiments, bias and clannish myopia will never deny that, without any doubt, APC hosts or has the sympathy of virtually all those who have shown, far more than others, they mean best for Nigeria. The most distinguished and internationally acclaimed leaders who have put in the physical, technocratic/administrative, civil rights and financial effort to deliver a better Nigeria are with the APC. It will then always be easier for these folks to behave with consistent decency and a devotion to what is best for Nigerians because this is genuinely second nature to them. It is not an act or pretentious conducted predicated on the pursuit of ulterior motives. As one example, APC can flaunt Nuhu Ribadu who refused a $15 million bribe and has worked worldwide as a lauded and highly-rated consultant. Ribadu has refused to leave the APC even as PDP looters and their clannish supporters shout he was "betrayed" and "used". Ribadu's steadfastness makes pragmatically intelligent Nigerians to begin appreciating the principles, dedication to the salvation of Nigeria and self-sacrificial mien of many APC leaders that will deliver our troubled Country. Oshiomhole who stood valiantly against several dictators is staunchly with the APC. Everyone knows Fayemi's efforts for democracy. Balarabe Musa till today continue to stand for what is right to include staunchly supporting the handing over of power to GEJ when opportunists and today's sabre-rattlers from GEJ's own ethnic group , like Clark and Kuku, were nowhere in sight. No one will tell you APC leaders are saints. What we can all discern, if not into lying to ourselves because of ethnocentric/political/sectional bias, is that the APC host the largest number of performers and Nigerians who have distinguished themselves to the extent, if Nigeria is sane like other nation, it can be agreed they deserve the chance to lead because of their record alone. After 14 years of zero from the PDP, it will be impossible for Nigerians who are genuinely into progress not to seriously consider the APC. 1 Like |
Re: PDP Members Are Welcome To APC – Odigie-oyegun by Maxymilliano(m): 11:15am On Aug 04, 2013 |
Gbawe: The question still remains does the APC find every PDP decampee eminently embraceable, no matter how fetid their antecedents may have been? |
Re: PDP Members Are Welcome To APC – Odigie-oyegun by talktimi(m): 11:16am On Aug 04, 2013 |
APC members are very welcome to the PDP |
Re: PDP Members Are Welcome To APC – Odigie-oyegun by Gbawe: 12:08pm On Aug 04, 2013 |
Maxymilliano: Read the article again, assuming you did in the first place, and you will have your answer which is precisely the same thing I have personally stated here with the archives bearing me out. It is about the Principles and focus a Party operates with that no one, wherever they are coming from, should be allowed to compromise. I have made the case extensively here yet Nairaland is not a forum where folks show an interest in deferring to factual/intellectual argument. I have given the example of Amosun who was not previously in the ACN but, to the letter, is a typical ACN governor with his real policy/leadership drive and methodology that reveals he has keyed into the ACN 'template'. He has embraced an agenda of diversifying socio-economic activities to boost overall income. Amosun has shown the same devotion to accountability and efficient tax collection the ACN is known for. Amosun initiated a Bus rapid transport scheme. He has worked tirelessly to raise IGR and reduce dependence of Ogun on Abuja. He has shown a commitment to infrastructural development. He is dedicated to making education robust and comprehensive as ACN believes should be the case. He has reduced recurrent expenditure to the benefit of capital budgeted spending as an intrinsic ACN cornerstone policy. I could go on but those who are clannish will never see what me, Oyegun and many pragmatically progressive Nigerians are saying. You cannot line up all PDP politicians and kill them. For good or bad, they are still among those who made themselves available for leadership while many limit themselves to talking only. Any PDP politicians can come to the APC so long as they understand they must go there and submit themselves wholly to how the APC wants to work which is very different to what the PDP is known for. They must be able to shun their conservatively reactionary mien to embrace socio-capitalism and a dedication to moderate welfarism or stay away.
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Re: PDP Members Are Welcome To APC – Odigie-oyegun by Nobody: 1:35pm On Aug 04, 2013 |
9ce summation frm Oyegun. I used to tell pipo who have swallowed hook,line n sinker d oft touted but worn out statement that 'all Nigerian politicians are d same' I said NO they are not...cos there is always d socio-ideological hue they subscribe to which distinguish them from one another If I was going to a permissible church before now where anything goes whereby I can wear my micro skimpy mini skirt to the altar,d moment I change to Deeper Life...no one needs to tell me that I need to shed my old toga and mannerism before I can be allowed to even become a worker So its not all PDPers who are bad,but d overall outlook of d party is what makes people to lump both the sane n d sinners 2geda 1 Like |
Re: PDP Members Are Welcome To APC – Odigie-oyegun by Longeria(m): 2:19pm On Aug 04, 2013 |
The man failed to list his achievements As Edo state governor. All Na Wash. |
Re: PDP Members Are Welcome To APC – Odigie-oyegun by Gbawe: 2:55pm On Aug 04, 2013 |
REHOZIBAH: 9ce summation frm Oyegun. I used to tell pipo who have swallowed hook,line n sinker d oft touted but worn out statement that 'all Nigerian politicians are d same' I said NO they are not...cos there is always d socio-ideological hue they subscribe to which distinguish them from one another Absolutely correct. Look at the core of the PDP and you will see a spine of military/armed forces authoritarianism that makes the Party what it uniquely is. There are so many differences, both in ideology and operation, between the PDP and other Nigerian Party to the extent we would be here all day highlighting such. When you join the PDP , wherever you are coming from, you have pledged to do things the PDP way . Ditto for joining the APC. 2 Likes |
Re: PDP Members Are Welcome To APC – Odigie-oyegun by solomon111(m): 3:02pm On Aug 04, 2013 |
Lol. APC members are NOT SAINTS? Who would have thought? |
Re: PDP Members Are Welcome To APC – Odigie-oyegun by solomon111(m): 3:06pm On Aug 04, 2013 |
The "APC WAY" ? For a party that does not have any known ideology or national reach. Wetin man no go hear. |
Re: PDP Members Are Welcome To APC – Odigie-oyegun by UyiIredia(m): 3:16pm On Aug 04, 2013 |
Gbawe: I agree APC is better than PDP given the dynamism of their governors. However, I don't fancy Buhari for reasons earlier stated. I think he should play the role of a mentor not politician as Tinubu seems to be doing. I mention Buhari because I suspect that the merger involves Buhari having running for president in 2015. Do you have information to the contrary ? |
Re: PDP Members Are Welcome To APC – Odigie-oyegun by Gbawe: 3:37pm On Aug 04, 2013 |
Uyi Iredia: I don't. To be honest, and from what I know beyond what is in the public domain, it is many strategic thinkers involved with the merger insisting it should be Buhari. I understand your argument and those of younger Nigerians who would prefer it to be someone younger and perhaps a more 'modern' version of Buhari or similar. I was in that camp in 2011 and got behind Ribadu. The issue is that the strategists simply do not think the iconic popularity of Buhari in the North can be 'transferred'. In fact, for many, the 2011 outing of Ribadu in the North 'solidified' and united opinions as per the need to balance idealism with pragmatism and an appreciation of the reality of Nigeria. I think the opinion is that it may be more electorally effective to neutralize the apathy towards Buhari in the South than risk presenting a new choice that may be a hard sell in the North. I am 60%-70% sure Buhari will be the meritorious choice of the relevant electing stakeholders themselves because of how they are thinking. I have no idea who the VP candidate will be. |
Re: PDP Members Are Welcome To APC – Odigie-oyegun by Nobody: 4:19pm On Aug 04, 2013 |
Gbawe: Gbawe it shall be well with you! This aptly summise the mindset of APC political strategists. Buhari is a sellable candidate anytime upnorth. U can be sure of getting @ least 15million vote for Buhari even if its a day to the election upnorth. D vote splitting scenario of d ANPP wil bcome a thing of d past hence we can hit d 20million mark from d core North alone,if feelers am getting from Benue,Nassarawa,Kwara(a party whose Godfather Bukola Saraki is anti-GEJ) and then SWest votes massively...it is sure doable Until Buhari gives up from contesting that only when I will stop supporting him... |
Re: PDP Members Are Welcome To APC – Odigie-oyegun by Nobody: 4:32pm On Aug 04, 2013 |
Electability is a function of several bizarre yet brutally frank factors. Left to me,I would have wished someone like Prof Pat Utomi(a puritan) becomes d president of this country but d fact is that we are not ready for his type yet. Religion,Ethnicity,and several other premordial sentiments still feature in our polity but we just have to find a way around them by looking for someone who is impervious to those sentiments hence my eternal recourse to Gen Muhammadu Buhari I will dance alingo if Buhari/Rochas, Buhari/Buhari/Ezekwesili,Buhari/Oshiomhole or Buhari/Fashola is served to me a la carte in 2015. Rochas,Fashola,Ezekwesili n Oshiomhole have shown sagacity,bravery,fairness,firmness,ability n readiness to commit tribal suicide against their ethnic group in favour of what they believe to be in the common interest or greater good of a whole lot of us 1 Like |
Re: PDP Members Are Welcome To APC – Odigie-oyegun by UyiIredia(m): 4:44pm On Aug 04, 2013 |
^^^I so like the fact that someone agrees with me on Pat Utomi. I would really have liked that dude to be president. As you said, it does appear Nigeria is not ready for his types. We hope generations from now his kind will be the one running the country. |
Re: PDP Members Are Welcome To APC – Odigie-oyegun by Nobody: 5:03pm On Aug 04, 2013 |
Uyi Iredia: ^^^I so like the fact that someone agrees with me on Pat Utomi. I would really have liked that dude to be president. As you said, it does appear Nigeria is not ready for his types. We hope generations from now his kind will be the one running the country. Infact I get exasperated how we all reason in this country when it comes to zeroing in on personalities to vote for during elections...several base sentiments just crop up hence making us 2 always end up with our 5th best to rule us The Gani Fawehinmi's of this world tried unsuccessfully people shouted him down with statements like ''Activists are not always the best leaders'' n refused to vote for him,d same thing is happening to Pat Utomi-cerebral,progressive,untainted,detribalised,sauve,urbane,outgoing n internationally recognised but Nigerians are not even looking at people like him...tho I know that he joined (ACN)APC a while back,I feel if he bids his time n espouse his brilliance from within,d structure can throw him up even if for a start as Economic Adviser to the President |
Re: PDP Members Are Welcome To APC – Odigie-oyegun by rozayx5(m): 5:16pm On Aug 04, 2013 |
As long as APC is made up of disgruntled elements, there is nothing to be excited about, i wish we could get a reasonable opposition in this country and not Association of Past Criminals |
Re: PDP Members Are Welcome To APC – Odigie-oyegun by Ngwakwe: 5:16pm On Aug 04, 2013 |
Governors should be judged on balanced budget. Imo State budget is N180B as passed, while N80B is the proposed revenue (allocation and internally generated revenue) that will accrue to the State by year end while N100B will be sourced from lenders. If Abia State Budget is N137B which is the sum of proposed Income for the year. How on earth will one convince an economist that the Imo State Government is better than Abia State. This same comparison should be used in judging and evaluating State's performance. |
Re: PDP Members Are Welcome To APC – Odigie-oyegun by Nobody: 5:33pm On Aug 04, 2013 |
rozayx5: As long as APC is made up of disgruntled elements, there is nothing to be excited about, i wish we could get a reasonable opposition in this country and not Association of Past Criminals Mr Non-Disgruntled! Association of Past Criminals u call them? Smh... U pipo just bandy words around to suit your emotions...who is the criminals amongst the likes of Buhari(Former Head of State),Tinubu(former Chief Financial Officer/Treasurer Mobil Oil Plc, Former Gov Lagos state),Nuhu Ribadu(Former EFCC chairman Bribed by James Ibori wt $15 million dollars yet he refused to pocket it), Chris Ngige(Rose to the post of Asst Director Min of Health State House Former Gov),Shekarau( Former Gov Kano),Fashola,Rochas,Annie Okonkwo(Owner of ZoomMobile amongst several coy),Ogbonnaya Onu(First Civilian Gov of Abia state),Adams Oshiomhole(Former NLC President,Gov Edo State),Kayode Fayemi(Former UN staff,Voice behind Radio Kudirat during June 12) d list is endless...if u are not old enuff to know the antecedents of some of dez pipo and several of dem that makes up d APC....d best for u to do is to ask questions which will be adequately answered and not resort to character assasination 1 Like |
Re: PDP Members Are Welcome To APC – Odigie-oyegun by Lordlexy: 6:04pm On Aug 04, 2013 |
The positive performance of the APC governors over the years is a testimony of principle, value and standard which is a bench mark of success. This is a feature which obviosly never exist in the pdp, hence the godfatherism politics which has succeeded in enthroning and instituting impunity and corruption. APC has giving us reason to appreciate what democracy, rule of law, serious governance, accountability and development is. It is an injustice for anyone who appreciate progress to cast aspersion on this wind of change we are about to experience. The action of an individual is a reflection of the institution he is founded on. Having some member of the pdp cross-carpet to APC isn't an excuse for any one to critise the party since the principle guarantees the conduct of the members. |
Re: PDP Members Are Welcome To APC – Odigie-oyegun by skyfall: 6:20pm On Aug 04, 2013 |
The interview shows that most of the champions of APC think alike and know exactly where they're going. I trust them enough to support whoever they field as candidates. I'm really hoping they'll field Madam Ezekwesili as VP though. That'll be a first in Nigeria and will definitely help capture SE votes. Just thinking aloud. |
Re: PDP Members Are Welcome To APC – Odigie-oyegun by Lordlexy: 6:24pm On Aug 04, 2013 |
rozayx5: As long as APC is made up of disgruntled elements, there is nothing to be excited about, i wish we could get a reasonable opposition in this country and not Association of Past Criminals |
Re: PDP Members Are Welcome To APC – Odigie-oyegun by talktimi(m): 6:32pm On Aug 04, 2013 |
rozayx5: As long as APC is made up of disgruntled elements, there is nothing to be excited about, i wish we could get a reasonable opposition in this country and not Association of Past Criminalsspot on bro, i dont know how people can allow themselves to be deceived so easily. The worst aspect of our new progressive party is that they easily accept the "evil corrupt politicians" who constitute the PDP into their fold all sins forgiven no questions asked about their corrupt pasts. So whats really the difference between the two behemoths ? I shall not be deceived even if some people wish to be. |
Re: PDP Members Are Welcome To APC – Odigie-oyegun by Nobody: 6:45pm On Aug 04, 2013 |
APC o, PDP o, all Nigerian politicians are crooks... Then we have Muhammadu Buhari. |
Re: PDP Members Are Welcome To APC – Odigie-oyegun by Gbawe: 6:49pm On Aug 04, 2013 |
REHOZIBAH: This is perhaps the most exasperating thing about this forum. It is full of childish, sentimental and clannish elements who just say whatever comes to their mind, to support innate bias, regardless of how ridiculous such sounds. Who are the "criminals" in the APC? Utomi? Ajimobi? Aregbesola or Ribadu? I personally don't take most people seriously on this forum because you know they do not work with facts, logic or even maturity. The truth upright folks will not deny is that the APC is home to some of the most distinguished performers and proven leaders Nigeria can currently boast of. It is as simple as that. The reason these people are together is because they are sick to death of a rapaciously greedy Party frustrating the progress of 160 million people because of its uncompromising commitment to taking all the wealth of Nigeria and giving the people virtually nothing in return. |
Re: PDP Members Are Welcome To APC – Odigie-oyegun by Gbawe: 7:18pm On Aug 04, 2013 |
Uyi Iredia: ^^^I so like the fact that someone agrees with me on Pat Utomi. I would really have liked that dude to be president. As you said, it does appear Nigeria is not ready for his types. We hope generations from now his kind will be the one running the country. Most progressive-minded Nigerians would support Utomi yet how many are those sort numerically? To defeat the PDP the APC must operate with pragmatism. The sort Utomi himself showed by joining the ACN and now APC. Let us not forget that Utomi himself began the race for the 2011 Presidency. Utomi dropped out to endorse Shekarau when he realized his real support base , beyond the support he enjoyed from a very small rank of sophisticated voters like you, was effectively zero!!!!! Our leaders (Utomi et al) showed that they have learned vital lessons from the 2011 elections. The question is that can me and you learn lessons as well so we do not keep advocating for what the political sophistication to achieve is non-existent? I supported Ribadu in 2011 but I have learnt some key lessons. The main one being that it is better to support someone with a good chance of winning (Buhari) for the stage of sophistication majority of Nigerians are at (perhaps as high as 80%) who can then include those we all support (Ribadu, Utomi, Oshiomhole et al) in a team that will deliver for Nigeria. It also helps that Buhari will not tolerate corruption and will give appointees the chance and protection to deliver. Let me put things in perspective about our fellow Nigerians. Utomi had to drop out of the election because of lack of popularity and funds since no one believed in him to sponsor him. Yet Nigerians voted for Jonathan who had nothing a sophisticated polity would seek in a leader. Does that not tell you what you are dealing with? Did Ribadu, a far more qualified leader a sophisticated polity would have endorsed unanimously, not fall far short against GEJ in 2011? that is the reality election strategists have to grapple with. Not recognizing the reality of Nigeria to keep insisting we want Utomi or Gani Fawehinmi (of blessed memory) will simply translate into a big victory for the PDP upon which we can all go home and watch 4 more years lost for Nigeria. Anyway, it is like Skyfall said. I will support whoever the APC present because they are the better Party for me. |
Re: PDP Members Are Welcome To APC – Odigie-oyegun by Gbawe: 7:29pm On Aug 04, 2013 |
skyfall: The interview shows that most of the champions of APC think alike and know exactly where they're going. I trust them enough to support whoever they field as candidates. You're right about the part in bold above. Most are not putting on an act when they say these things which may appear rehearsed but are actually the submission of minds that are in sync politically regarding where they feel Nigeria needs to go. I too will also support the APC as well regardless of who they eventually settle on because I know the Party will choose its candidate wisely. |
Re: PDP Members Are Welcome To APC – Odigie-oyegun by Nobody: 7:53pm On Aug 04, 2013 |
Gbawe: Well said...Most Nigerian clamourers for Youth participation in politics saw Nuhu Ribadu yet refused to vote for him but will be quick to dismiss the likes of Buhari who is far more electable across a broad spectrum than any youth at the moment. I was aghast at the talk of voting GEJ n not PDP during the last election...now we know better. Even if GEJ on his own may be a calm n 'good' man but a look at his promoters will never make me trust him I wonder what we really want,we whine,throw tantrums and criticise all the politicians yet when push comes to shove we all just recoil into our shell,refusing to do nothing,only to come back to our ultra-complaining attitude I need change this time around! |
Re: PDP Members Are Welcome To APC – Odigie-oyegun by BarryX(m): 8:47pm On Aug 04, 2013 |
As if there's any big difference between draw soup and Ogbono soup. They're all wolves in sheep's clothing. APC ooo or PDP ooo The same recycled thievery clique masquerading under different camouflages called parties. NIGERIANS be WISE! |
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