lahchi:
I strongly believe a being had something to do with the creation of this world. The Bible further made me understand that God which is a Supernatural Being created this world. If you choose not to accept the fact that God exist and even created you, how come did you come to exist? There should be a valid reason for every word you use in answering this question.

jayriginal:

You didnt directly answer my question.

Mr Troll: Is this your valid information? Like seriously? Ok.

For me, i strongly believe the Almighty Arakh created the whole universe. In the holy book of Whamdum says so and the Almighty Arakh will punish all unbelievers.

Uyi Iredia:

I am atheist. I lack a belief in Arakh. This is not a belief or a result of a belief, I simply don't believe in a Supreme Being called Arakh.

Uyi Iredia:

Fair enough. My answer is yes. Let's see if you can counter it well or not.

jayriginal:

Ok. Just to be clear, you are saying that when a judge releases an accused due to a lack of evidence, it can be paraphrased as saying that he believes the accused is innocent.

jayriginal:

Actually, this is not correct.

jayriginal:
It simply means from the evidence brought forward, he has no reason to believe the man is guilty and not that he believes that the man is innocent.

jayriginal:
The man could very well be guilty, but there is no evidence to establish his guilt hence his being released for lack of evidence.

jayriginal:
Its a situation that has a couple of permutations and therefore there is more than one way to interpret it.

jayriginal:
For you, not believing in God means the person believes there is no God. This is false.

jayriginal:
If I dont believe in God, thats all it establishes (that I do not believe).

jayriginal:
You cannot rely on that statement to state that I believe there is no God.

jayriginal:
You must ask me specifically if I believe there is no God rather than assume.

jayriginal:
Where will you place the category of people who are neutral?

jayriginal:
Those people who will say, "maybe there is a God, maybe there isnt, I dont know". Those people cannot be said to believe in God, neither can they be said to believe there is no God.

jayriginal:
Let me twist it a bit.

jayriginal:
If I say "I believe there is no God", then you can automatically conclude that I do not believe in God.

jayriginal:
You know why this is different? Because believing there is no God excludes the possibility that I believe in God.

jayriginal:
It also excludes the possibility that I may or may not believe. It is a very conclusive statement.

jayriginal:
On the other hand, "I dont believe in God" is open ended and leaves a lot of possibilities open which is why you cannot rely on it to assume the persons definitive position on the subject.

jayriginal:
You have to note that the key word here is belief.

jayriginal: Uyi, I am surprised at your responses. I would go line for line with you but I am pretty sure nothing will come out of it.

I think I have been as clear as possible and if the above is your response, then further discourse is unlikely to persuade you.

Cheers.

Uyi Anony: At least you believe you don't believe in god.

Mr Troll: i told you so
smdh.

jayriginal: Uyi, I am surprised at your responses. I would go line for line with you but I am pretty sure nothing will come out of it.

I think I have been as clear as possible and if the above is your response, then further discourse is unlikely to persuade you.

Cheers.

wiegraf: @uyinony uyiradium, at least you're willing to admit to obfuscating (you'll soon be 'in too deep' though, beyond the point of salvation, you'll forget what's true for eg). Anyhow, let's see

I think there's more of a chance of the moon being composed of garri than yah'weh existing. Your version of deist god (and @ds as well), which frankly don't look like deist gods to me, are just a bit less likely. Now, as for proper, vague, clockmakers I see absolutely no reason to believe they exist, but I cannot categorically say they do not exist (especially as the claims made about those gods are vague and untestable). So note, I do not say it's impossible, I just say it's highly unlikely and, more importantly perhaps, totally unnecessary. Absolutely no need to add these and so irrelevant/immaterial to just about any issue. If one brings evidence for any of these of course I'll be willing to listen.

Other atheists have different views (we all do), sometimes wildly different to mine. Can you spot the common denominator?

The only thing you could claim someone believed in was believing there was not enough evidence, and that is a fact. No belief necessary for that, even deluded agree their assertions are untestable, yes?

So, no evidence = no belief, simples... Doesn't mean one necessarily believes in the opposite. That's silly. Do you even think everything has an opposite?

And this ignores certain nuance with the nature of belief sef, or do you believe in gravity?

jayriginal: Uyi, I am surprised at your responses. I would go line for line with you but I am pretty sure nothing will come out of it.

I think I have been as clear as possible and if the above is your response, then further discourse is unlikely to persuade you.

Cheers.

Uyi Iredia:

What doesn't have an opposite ?

wiegraf:



You?

Uyi Iredia:

I think the opposite of you is me. Whilst I know you refer to me I am serious and want an answer. Save the faffing for later.

wiegraf:

Why should I care what your story book says.........

Gaddem wtf is wrong with you people??!!?

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lahchi:

You still haven't answered my question... Although do not be deceived for God is not mocked.

Mr Troll: Is this your valid information? Like seriously? Ok.

For me, i strongly believe the Almighty Arakh created the whole universe. In the holy book of Whamdum says so and the Almighty Arakh will punish all unbelievers.

lahchi:

1. What is the meaning of Arakh in English?

2. What is Whamdum?

Mr Troll:

Since you obviously missed the point, your story book is just like many others out who claim that their almighty omni omni god created the whole world without any shred of evidence whatsoever. So until you come up with something better, don't expect anybody to take you serious.