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|Re: The Truth About Homos.exuality And Christianity by kimco(m): 8:14am On Sep 18, 2013|
rhetorics, rhetorics, everywhere.
|Re: The Truth About Homos.exuality And Christianity by Nobody: 9:44am On Sep 18, 2013|
okeyxyz:Now I understand.
But I don't agree with you. I don't think homosexuality can be interpreted by any organic phenomenon. I've never heard of or seen it myself. Not really strictly because of this, the reasons weigh far too enormous.
From the biological-organic level, we would as an indication of a homosexual new-borns, observe conspicous variations in form with those we may classify as heterosexuals. But in such life, we are yet to observe any variation with those of the heterosexuals.
We cannot explain homosexuality as a biological anomaly if we cannot isolate the said anomaly in every potential homosexual. A check on the anatomy and functional anatomy, physiology, of these humans show a set of beings with similar structure and function to the heterosexual beings. They don't come with different physical characteristics.
I think even as a social change, a common factor driving the ones not affected by any social change also affects the ones affected socially. A good example, the male prisoners we have in different prisons. But I have a problem with it being a manifestation of the sin-nature. That we all have this nature is unarguably true. But for our sin nature to have control over whatever, there must be a motivation behind it. An example of what happens in Abraham Maslow's theory of Motivation. If the sin nature cannot manifest where there is no motivation, and the motivation comes from the benifit of the sin itself, one cannot fall prey to this form of socialization. Most I think social change fails here. Another problem is that, naturally our hormones will never yearn for the same sex. I think there is something great behind the motivation. Not just the painful pleasure derived from it. Something must have possessed every homosexual.
What I think is that homosexuality is purely a supernatural problem. Finding its origin from nature will be a herculian task. I believe for we to find its cause from nature there has to some natural signs spearheaded by an anatomical nay pathological change. And this is not evident.
|Re: The Truth About Homos.exuality And Christianity by Kay17: 1:13pm On Sep 18, 2013|
Being intellectually deraved or stupid is not an immoral-ity. Same as a predator attacking a prey. Morals have nothing to do with Nature.
|Re: The Truth About Homos.exuality And Christianity by Yooguyz: 6:13pm On Sep 18, 2013|
okeyxyz: So bottom line, homos.exuality is not the sin itself, but is a fruit of the sin-nature/mindset.LIES.
|Re: The Truth About Homos.exuality And Christianity by FOLYKAZE(m): 6:29pm On Sep 18, 2013|
You know you have created God in your own image, when you find that your God hates the same people that you do."— Lois Wilson.
|Re: The Truth About Homos.exuality And Christianity by okeyxyz(m): 4:21pm On Sep 19, 2013|
Your questions don't seem to have any bearings on my postings and judgments here, perhaps you mistake me for somebody else?? so you are not addressing(or you misunderstand) them. Your argument was that homosexuality is "ubiquitous" amongst other species and I agree(though it's still debated in the scientific community, but let's suppose it's true..), but your flaw is in justifying the correctness of homosexuality based on it's ubiquitousness, this is bad reasoning, borne more out of political appeal rather than a scientific one(being that you guys --atheists-- purport to be the defenders of science). I have already stated(and of which anybody whether a scientist or not can observe) nature is very flawed both in a spiritual and scientific context and that these arising mental and biological diseases/disorders/deviations and in this case--homosexuality, are the result of these flaws.
|Re: The Truth About Homos.exuality And Christianity by okeyxyz(m): 4:36pm On Sep 19, 2013|
Kay 17: Upon reading the OP, Freewill jumped into my mind.
The way you guys sing "free will", I can't help but laugh. "Free will" does not mean correct/right will. We know what correctness is by observation, questioning and efforts towards improvement. Yeah, we know you have free will, you can jump off a sky scraper if you want, but how is that a good idea? How does it benefit you?
No it is not lame. We are part of nature, No?? Nature is a principal means to observe and determine what purpose is, hence make we can tell when something goes wrong.
|Re: The Truth About Homos.exuality And Christianity by Kay17: 8:41pm On Sep 19, 2013|
There lies the strangeness of free will, moralities and "truths" are coloured by it since free will is neither restrained by any of moralities or "truths".
Same as God freely willed what is good and evil. God decided the moral characters of all actions, and treated them in that regard.
Man can likewise, with the strength of his free will reverse/upturn that morality/truth as he wishes.
2. Nature ought to reveal who we are not how we should act. If we were part of Nature, there wouldn't be the need to act a particular way, if the influence of Nature is unavoidable, inevitable.
I doubt if you'd support the vicious cannibalism that exists in the wild.
|Re: The Truth About Homos.exuality And Christianity by wiegraf: 3:42am On Sep 20, 2013|
No, those questions are for you. The bolded is not what I was doing
The aim being to differentiate between paraphillia (fetishes, lekpa or big, feet, whips etc) and orientation (homo, hetero, bi, asexual). My argument was homosexuality is ubiquitous in nature, fetishes (or parahillia if you will) are not.
As for using nature the way you do to justify terming homosexuality as an aberration, it's folly. I only mention it when people bring it up, to point out they would still be wrong if they called it unnatural, despite it's inherent sillyness. Adding to what's in that post already;
why stop there? Like I've said elsewhere, black man has proven himself fairly useless at living in this world, why don't we go ahead and get rid of this aberration as well? Consider, we're a minority, there are more oyinbo and chinese around, and they evolved after us (implicitly better some would say, no?).
Also, I don't think we were meant to use computers, or do you see any other animals in nature using those?
On the xtian front, why do you go about labeling some of your god's creations aberrations anyways? Especially when they are perfectly happy with themselves and not bothering anyone, hmm?
And again, other animals in nature use homosexuality as a social tool, all the other animals with fairly complex social structures and mental capabilities approaching ours use it, most prominent example being bonobos. But like I said, using nature as a template is pure folly else, again, toss out your pc.
|Re: The Truth About Homos.exuality And Christianity by wiegraf: 3:43am On Sep 20, 2013|
Finally, @localomos, it was freed. Here
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