Ray McBlue:

Obviously, I'm not qualified to teach you a lesson in evolution, but know this:

Evolution can be defined as the gradual development of something, esp. from a simple to a more complex form.

A baby that transformed into a young adult within the space of 20 years, just underwent a minor form of evolution. Surely, it doesn't require much faith to believe that?

As for Plato, he was a genius, an anomaly if you will. He evolved far beyond his time. Every generation is blessed with such people.

For real? Growing is a form of evolution? Well if that's all to evolution then I have no problem with it...but that "baby" will only pass through d phase his ancestors passed thro'. No more no less! The baby doesn't develop wings or anythin at all...the ancestors ddnt evolve frm ape or wateva! They have remained as human as we are now! You also mentioned plato as evolved past his own time...but wud u agree to me saying that "I can walk on water"?

Ray McBlue:

Absolutely. HUMANS Haven't actually maximized their brain potential, but whenever that happens in no distant future, the brain's physiology will remain largely unchanged.

Then we can not say that what we experienced was Evolution. Evolution as we know it in this case must be biological for it to make sense in the light of Darwin's theory. I don't know if you get what I mean.

Reyginus: Then we can not say that what we experienced was Evolution. Evolution as we know it in this case must be biological for it to make sense in the light of Darwin's theory. I don't know if you get what I mean.

Like I said before, evolution is not only physical but also psychological. Humans to evolve in form must first negotiate the Psyche stage.

dejilg:

For real? Growing is a form of evolution? Well if that's all to evolution then I have no problem with it...but that "baby" will only pass through d phase his ancestors passed thro'. No more no less! The baby doesn't develop wings or anythin at all...the ancestors ddnt evolve frm ape or wateva! They have remained as human as we are now! You also mentioned plato as evolved past his own time...but wud u agree to me saying that "I can walk on water"?

*Yawns*

Ray McBlue:

Like I said before, evolution is not only physical but also psychological. Humans to evolve in form must first negotiate the Psyche stage.

Now you want to take us back. Didn't it occur to you that before function changes the form must first change? If there is no change in form, how then is the psyche stage negotiated without a change taking place?

Reyginus: Now you want to take us back. Didn't it occur to you that before function changes the form must first change? If there is no change in form, how then is the psyche stage negotiated without a change taking place?

You misunderstood me. When I said psyche, I meant the intellect side of evolution. For man to transform physically which is another step to physical part of evolution, he must complete the present stage (becoming more intelligent through experience), which is the only way he can falicitate the advent of the next chapter.

Note, physical evolution is exceedingly slow process, and might take up to a million years to occur.

Ray McBlue:

You misunderstood me. When I said psyche, I meant the intellect side of evolution. For man to transform physically which is another step to physical part of evolution, he must complete the last stage (becoming more intelligent through experience), which is the only way he can falicitate the advent of the next chapter.

Okay. But you know this is not Darwins concept of Evolution. He saw Evolution as purely a change in structure constituting in higher function. The two must operate in unison. You don't agree with him then?

Reyginus: Okay. But you know this is not Darwins concept of Evolution. He saw Evolution as purely a change in structure constituting in higher function. The two must operate in unison. You don't agree with him then?

A lot of modern evolutionist don't agree with Darwin.

Oh look at me! Am a computer and I happened by chance/accident, wen d plastic industry, chemical lab and the black smith's workplace suddenly blow and mix together! And my friend is dictionary because the ink in d printing press exploded on the paper! ---- Evolution crap!

dejilg: Oh look at me! Am a computer and I happened by chance/accident, wen d plastic industry, chemical lab and the black smith's workplace suddenly blow and mix together! And my friend is dictionary because the ink in d printing press exploded on the paper! ---- Evolution crap!

Your creation myth is no better.

atleast it accounts for a Grand Designer which accounts for reasoning and our inherent sense of morality and why most rocks and our shoes dnt speak to us and many other things Science can't answer!!! I will only believe in Evolution when I can see any man created thing or object that is more complex than man himself!

dejilg: atleast it accounts for a Grand Designer which accounts for reasoning and our inherent sense of morality and why most rocks and our shoes dnt speak to us and many other things Science can't answer!!! I will only believe in Evolution when I can see any man created thing or object that is more complex than man himself!

You surely do live in ignorance and nightmare and mistaken it for a way of life!

To become a religion, it is necessary for a superstition to enslave a philosophy. The way to see by faith is to shut the eyes of reason.

The Christians live in nightmares and think it's a pleasant dream indeed! SMH for people like you...

Ray McBlue:

You surely do live in ignorance and nightmare and mistaken it for a way of life!

To become a religion, it is necessary for a superstition to enslave a philosophy. The way to see by faith is to shut the eyes of reason.

The Christians live in nightmares and think it's a pleasant dream indeed! SMH for people like you...

Yeah Nightmares that are real and somewhat happens right after u dream abt dem! I agree, my reality isn't urs...but this coming from someone who thinks that Evolution is reality? Consider dis

Sir Fred Hoyle, British mathematician and
astronomer, was quoted in Nature magazine,
November 12, 1981, as saying "The chance that
higher life forms might have emerged in this way
(evolution) is comparable with the chance that a
tornado sweeping through a junk-yard might
assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein."

Sure that's not a dream! Probably the planes that crashed are built from this form of chance!

RationalDude: Most times, I just get amazed at what humans can do. Seeing how far we have gone in science & technology, art etc etc, sometimes I just think that there might be much at work here than just evolution.

Nothing more, mate. It's all as a result of evolution in all it's glory.

dejilg:

Well so far as all you have said, its based on the assumptions that it takes millions of years to evolve! More faith is required to believe such tale!

Therefore the theory of evolution is logically valid. The assumptions are not absolute, thus no article of faith is required.

dejilg: Oh look at me! Am a computer and I happened by chance/accident, wen d plastic industry, chemical lab and the black smith's workplace suddenly blow and mix together! And my friend is dictionary because the ink in d printing press exploded on the paper! ---- Evolution crap!

Is your argument that all order is made possible ONLY by a mind?!

Or that only highly complex order is made possible ONLY by a mind?!

Kay 17:

Is your argument that all order is made possible ONLY by a mind?!

Or that only highly complex order is made possible ONLY by a mind?!

You get time. When serious minded religious folks have moved on from denying the reality of evolution to suggesting Intelligent Design, you're here engaging mo'fos quoting 1981 articles in 2013.