Billyonaire: Heavenly bodies, is what we call planets in our solar system, galaxy and beyond. If we term each of those planets, heaven, we will not be wrong. Folktale is a powerful means of passing down information when we cease to have access to documentary evidences. So, that's how the stories were told until the earliest documentary evidences of about 6yrs old in the good book, Bible.

"Our Father, who art in heaven, Halo be thy name, thy Kingdom come, as it is in heaven, so shall it be on Earth"

"And war broke out in heaven, and Satan was tossed to the Earth"

These 2 clauses in the Bible speaks volume of our sojourn on Earth. Advanced weaponry, more advanced than Nuclear Bomb destroyed Mars, something like the Electromagnetic Pulse weapon, and we relocated here temporary as a refugee camp and we are stucked and its our new home, We have adapted, we now have bodies that can cope with the weather, grows better but dies in about 100 earth Years. It cant last longer except we find a way to generate more pure oxygen into the atmosphere, the lesser the oxygen contents of the air, the lesser our lifespan. Oxygen is more than just a molecule, it is the active gas, the life-giving thing, the very essence of life, without which life does not exist.

Lemurians and Atlantians, lets not destroy this planet, cos we haven't yet found another planet we can teleport to, but we are still searching and we havent invented a time machine that can jet us to deeper space. Deeper space is where our Gods, our high frequency energy beings that cultivated us are. We are not alone in the multiverse.

Mars is where we were, and where our memories and folktales calls Heaven, Father in heaven is Jehovah- Yahweh or whatever his original name is, and he is a god of capital of the Astral plane of consciousness just above the physical plane. The have ability to teleport to any of the planets they nurture, now Earth inhabitants are a little more advanced than some gods. Yahweh, indeed was a representative of the greater Gods but is no more in charge of earth, its best not to call them Gods, gods, etc, its best to simply say, Civilizations above us, the aliens or advance civilization of humanoid in deep space that raised, watched and monitored us to independence.

Home is no more, so Earth is where we are stucked, build nice mansions, plant flowers, and beautify this earth, we will be here for long except we destroy it, same way we destroyed Mars.

wirinet:

All you wrote above is scientific mumbo jumbo.

Electromagnetic pulse is nothing more than a pulse of light - from cosmic radiattion down to gamma rays.

Heaven is a term used to descibe any place beyond the clouds. all other objects in the sky above the clouds are said to be in heaven.

Oxygen is actually harmful to life, and it was its absence at the early earth that permitted life to form. It is highly oxidative in nature and oxidizes most substances it comes in contact with. It reaction with living things creates free radicals which kills living cells. life had evolve to deal with free radicals. Increasing the oxygen content of the atmosphere would actually decrease the life span of living things.

Mars cannot support life because of so many reasons, its size and hence gravity is too small to retain oxygen and gaseous water. It surface cannot hold liquid water which is essential for life. its atmosphere is too thin and its surface temperature is too low.

Ray McBlue: An interesting theory. Gotta say that I agree with the Mars part to some extent, but disagree with the rest. I believed that Mars housed an advance civilization once upon a time, until a moon-sized asteroid struck:





From the images above, you could make out a very deep crater that is visible from space which must have been where the big rock struck the planet, thereby unleashing a shock wave that destroyed all lives and properties on the planet in it's entirety.


The infra red version of the extent of the damage on the surface of the planet, Mars.

I believed, on realizing that civilization was about to come to an end, our Martian forefathers built some sort of rocket and on putting the sample of their respective DNA's and that of their animals and edible plants, launched it to the blue planet. I believed that the dinosaurs and reptiles are indigenous to Earth, though and most died from an Earth-asteroid collusion long before man came to earth through a rocket from Mars.

Call this foolish, but it made some sort of sense to me. At least more than the Christian folklore concerning the origin of man.

FOLYKAZE:

Bible God is an extraterrestiial being. Read Ezekiel chapter one for more insight. Lol

ooman:

true

Billyonaire: Truely, what he wrote there is crap. I refuse to quote him so I dont promote the crap.

Oxygen is used in hospital ER to keep alife. Oxygen mask keeps people alife. Oxygen is the reason we breath.

About the crap about Mars, we are discussing pre-destruction mars and guy is saying bs. For some of us who have deeper knowledge of advanced electromagnetic pulse weaponry, we know what we know and you can google.

Dont be suaved by a kid who just learnt how to spell his name.

wirinet:

All you wrote above is scientific mumbo jumbo.

Electromagnetic pulse is nothing more than a pulse of light - from cosmic radiattion down to gamma rays.

Heaven is a term used to descibe any place beyond the clouds. all other objects in the sky above the clouds are said to be in heaven.

Oxygen is actually harmful to life, and it was its absence at the early earth that permitted life to form. It is highly oxidative in nature and oxidizes most substances it comes in contact with. It reaction with living things creates free radicals which kills living cells. life had evolve to deal with free radicals. Increasing the oxygen content of the atmosphere would actually decrease the life span of living things.

Mars cannot support life because of so many reasons, its size and hence gravity is too small to retain oxygen and gaseous water. It surface cannot hold liquid water which is essential for life. its atmosphere is too thin and its surface temperature is too low.

plaetton:

I think it is unreasonable to assert that Mars cannot support life.
By taking that position, we are assuming that just because the Life forms on earth are suitable and only possible because of the earth's unique position in our solar system.

Do not forget that is the random configuration of different factors that gave rise to our kind of biological life.
We cannot discount the possibility that other life forms can thrive in far different environmental conditions.

For example, hypothetical life form in Neptune or Uranus will surely have a DNA configuration far different from those on earth, and well suited for its own orbital, temperature and gravitational constants.

There is a large body of evidence pointing that Mars did support not only simple, but probably a great civilization from 3 to 30 million years ago.

wirinet:

My brother, i have read all the arguments about life on mars, i have read works by great science thinkers like Carl Sagan and Isaac Asimov on the subject and i have read the fall from mars religious angle. So i know what i am talking about.

I am not denying the possibility of life having evolved elsewhere in the universe, bit i can confidently say the possibility of life having evolved on mars is very slim.

For there to be life on a planet, certain critical conditions must be met.
1. There must be liquid water as water is essential for life processes. And water can only remain liquid between 0 - 100C, this rules out mars.
2. There must be adequate atmosphere to allow living things obtain needed gases like O2, CO2, etc. Mars atmosphere is extremely thin.

There is also the myth that another element can take the place of carbon as the superstructure of life. This is a fallacy. Carbon and silicon are the only elements with a covalency of 4, thereby allowing them combine with all elements in a wide variety of ways. But it seems carbon forms more stable compounds than silicon. If life can be silicon based, then life on earth should be based on silicon as earth has far more silicon than carbon. So why did life on earth not formed from silicon?

plaetton: Bros, can't argue much with you on this.
I want point out to you that about 10,000 years ago during the last ice age, from an outside observer, it would looked impossible for life to thrive on earth at that time.
Although we can confidently say that life does not thrive on mars at this present time, we cannot be too quick to rule out the probability that it did in the remote past when the atmospheric and geological conditions would have been different.

Just something to ponder.

From the surface, it is quite obvious that mars likely suffered a catastrophic event that sapped her atmosphere and dried her oceans.

The biblical war in heaven, or the galactic wars of the gods recorded in the Hindu Vedas might just be alluding to such planet busting warfare.

The opening verses of Genesis says that the earth was desolate.Perhaps in better shape than mars after who knows what catastrophic events must have taken place prior.

plaetton: Bros, can't argue much with you on this.
I want point out to you that about 10,000 years ago during the last ice age, from an outside observer, it would looked impossible for life to thrive on earth at that time.
Although we can confidently say that life does not thrive on mars at this present time, we cannot be too quick to rule out the probability that it did in the remote past when the atmospheric and geological conditions would have been different.

Just something to ponder.

From the surface, it is quite obvious that mars likely suffered a catastrophic event that sapped her atmosphere and dried her oceans.

The biblical war in heaven, or the galactic wars of the gods recorded in the Hindu Vedas might just be alluding to such planet busting warfare.

The opening verses of Genesis says that the earth was desolate.Perhaps in better shape than mars after who knows what catastrophic events must have taken place prior.

Ray McBlue: Excuse me Dr astronomer AKA wirinet, what do you think would happen to earth's oxygen rich atmosphere if hydrogen bombs were to go off on earth surface simultaneously or a moon-sized asteroid collided with earth?

Give an honest response, then we can continue from there.

wirinet:

It seems you are finding it a bit difficult letting go of long held preconceived ideas and notions, so much so that you are not even reading what i wrote.
I said mars is too small to retain an atmosphere and water vapour. So its surface cannot hold liquid water. If you pour all the water on earth on the surface of mars it will all evaporate into space in a matter of time. The gravity cannot hold water vapour in its atmosphere. Its surface can only hold water in the form of ice (dry ice for that matter).

About the ice age, the ice age did not cover the equator. The ice age had little effect on animals living at the equator. It was animals that lived near the poles that was affected. They either move towards the equator or go extinct. If the ice covered the whole planet for any sustain period of time, all of life would be wiped out.

wirinet:

I honestly do not know how to respond to your question. What will happen to the earth's oxygen rich atmosphere if hydrogen bombs were to go off simultaneously? How many hydrogen bombs are you talking about? Besides hydrogen bombs had been set up in various tests in the past. What was the effect on the atmosphere.

If a moon size object were to collide with the earth, it will probably shatter the earth to pieces. And various pieces of it would become asteroids floating within the solar system.

And life would become extinct on earth. Even before the impact tidal forces between the earth and the moon would have killed off all living things.

These are my honest opinion, can you make your point now.

plaetton: @wirinet
I don't know if we are talking about the same mars. I have never heard that mars was too small to have an atmosphere, neither have i heard that it's gravity was too weak to hold liquid water.
Ocean floors and riverbeds have been filmed and analyzed by mars rover, as well as rock samples and sediments.
So, i really know where your info from.

Have you forgotten that president Bill Clinton called a news conference to announce to the world that they had found rock sample with fossilized bacteria from mars?

wirinet:

i have followed every mars exploration from viking1 (1976) to viking2 (1978), i know about the so-called) canals of mars. There are many speculations and myths of what caused them, some say it was dug to bring water from the poles to the equator by martian beings. The most probable explanation is that it was caused by the release of large reservoir of water trapped underground and was brought to the surface after an asteroid impact. Others attribute it to high velocity winds from its thin atmosphere.
But one thing is certain, which is that the surface cannot hold liquid water, even its atmosphere cannot retain adequate water vapour. If you want a more concized explanation, you would need to get a book on planetary formation and evolution.

Please can you prove the reference on martian bacteria and sea beds on mars. I would love to update my knowledge.

plaetton:

Ok. Let's start with today's news. I just saw this a few minutes ago on headlines.
http://news.yahoo.com/curiosity-rover-makes-big-water-discovery-mars-dirt-180441890.html

And another:


http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/27/us/mars-rover-water/

There you have it.

The prevailing theory is that water flowed on Mars in the distant past.
Scientists are still trying to find out what happened to both the Water and the atmospheres of Mars.

And yes, Mars does have an atmosphere, but is is very little compared to the atmosphere of the earth.

Billyonaire:

Much of what science will discover about mars are already known to few who have indepth knowledge of the early advanced civilizations.

Mars atmosphere was destroyed by Martians, the war between Lemurians and Atlantians. The electromagnetic weapons if focused on land has capacity to cause earthquake and on the atmosphere it destroys the magnetic fields. Martians had time to explore and earth. Most of them landed here on Spaceship and others teleported using their psychic advanced nature and birthed here. Martians were giants and the pyramids including that of Egypt are actually landmarkfor flight cordinates and observation from mars.

We are offsprings of those martians and mars was full of life and more advanced than earth which was occupied by dinosaurs then.

I am on phone, difficult to type much.