http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7477101.stm

Two Nigerian convicts have been executed in Indonesia, seven years after being caught trying to smuggle heroin into the country.

Samuel Okoye and Hansen Nwaolisa were executed by firing squad in the early hours of Friday, officials said.

The executions were timed to mark the UN anti-drugs day, Indonesia's anti-narcotics agency reportedly said.

Drug traffickers are often sentenced to death in Indonesia, but the penalty has not been carried out since 2004.

The two men, aged 37 and 40, have been held at a high-security prison on Nusakambangan island, central Java, since their conviction for trying to smuggle some 7kg (16lb) of heroin into Indonesia.

"A firing squad of 12 people executed them in an outdoor area some 3km [2 miles] away from their prison," provincial prisons chief Bambang Winahyo told AFP news agency.

The two had made pleas for clemency to the president in 2004, but they were turned down.

Let see what FG would do about this.

We should immediately cut all ties with INDONESIA

We should send travel warning to Nigerians: If you have Nigerian passport, don't go INDONESIA.

We should set-up 'NGO', and use this as proxy to do all the dirty war.

We should place SANCTION on them and bully all AFRICAN countries to follow; they need our money, banks etc.

We should have ENEMY ACT' bill, and put such country on the LIST

We should have PARENT/FRIEND LIABILITY bill; parents/friends are also partly responsible. It becomes criminal offence if you know your friend is doing this and you don't report it.

We must put these COUNTRIES under consistent pressure.

landis:



Let see what FG would do about this.

We should immediately cut all ties with INDONESIA

We should send travel warning to Nigerians: If you have Nigerian passport, don't go INDONESIA.

We should set-up 'NGO', and use this as proxy to do all the dirty war.

We should place SANCTION on them and bully all AFRICAN countries to follow; they need our money, banks etc.

We should have ENEMY ACT' bill, and put such country on the LIST

We should have PARENT/FRIEND LIABILITY bill; parents/friends are also partly responsible. It becomes criminal offence if you know your friend is doing this and you don't report it.

We must put these COUNTRIES under consistent pressure.

Arrant nonsense. No disrespect intended.
If they were accorded the appropriate punitive measures as stipulated by the Indonesian constitution, then so be it.

Bolarge:

Arrant nonsense. No disrespect intended.
If they were accorded the appropriate punitive measures as stipulated by the Indonesian constitution, then so be it.

did you read BOLD in my quote?

You think if these guys are EU/US would dare such??

The australian girl was freed. so what constitution.

It would be harder to come across anyone in Australia who does not know about Schapelle Corby, the 27-year-old convicted, and sentenced to 20 years, by an Indonesian court for smuggling drugs into Bali in her boogie board bag

I still stand by my statement:

If they were accorded the appropriate punitive measures as stipulated by the Indonesian constitution, then so be it.

Clemency in any case will then be the sole prerogative of the Indonesian government not a right.

Bolarge:

Clemency in any case will then be the sole prerogative of the Indonesian government not a right.

seconded

And only a responsible nigerian government can diplomatically appeal to the ego of the indonesians.

what are you talking about, it is time we started respect other people constitution and their ways of life, nobody force them there they know the implication before venturing there.

what are you talking about,  it is time we started respect other people constitution and their ways of life, nobody force them there they know the implication before venturing there.

and why was the australian girl not KILLED?

Clemency in any case will then be the sole prerogative of the Indonesian government not a right.

yeah.

so that right of clemency does not apply when its BLACKMAN??

Any government will choose to give clemency depending on the severity of the offence but on this case it is the death penalty. You do the crime means you are going serve the term when caught

landis:

so that right of clemency does not apply when its BLACKMAN??

stop being nepotical and racist.

y should a blackman carry drugs to a whiteman's land?

blacksta:

Any government will choose to give clemency depending on the severity of the offence but on this case it is the death penalty. You do the crime means you are going serve the term when caught

AGREED but why is the Aussie Girl not killed but the naija were killed for same offence?

It would be harder to come across anyone in Australia who does not know about Schapelle Corby, the 27-year-old convicted, and sentenced to 20 years, by an Indonesian court for smuggling drugs into Bali in her boogie board bag

y should a blackman carry drugs to a whiteman's land?

last time I check, Indonesia is in ASIA.

As you treat yourself , so would others treat you. If Aussie Govt use all means to put pressure on the Indonesians, I see no reason, we cant apply same measures.

landis:

As you treat yourself , so would others treat you. If Aussie Govt use all means to put pressure on the Indonesians, I see no reason, [b]we [/b]can't apply same measures.

good point. and who is we?. is it not yaradua?

landis:

AGREED but why is the Aussie Girl not killed but the naija were killed for same offence?

last time I check, Indonesia is in ASIA.

As you treat yourself , so would others treat you. If Aussie Govt use all means to put pressure on the Indonesians, I see no reason, we can't apply same measures.

landis:

AGREED but why is the Aussie Girl not killed but the naija were killed for same offence?

last time I check, Indonesia is in ASIA.

No doubt . please bear in mind where have two diferent scenarios here the aussie was a drug user and she was caught with smaller quantity for personal use while the nigeria men were drug peddlers another name Barons - selling drugs to enrich themeselves

Not all indonesians are white for those trying to claim race has a role to play in here. And it would do us good to compare this to the number of indonesians, men and women, executed each year under the same laws. Even Singapore is brutal.

landis:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7477101.stm


Let see what FG would do about this.

We should immediately cut all ties with INDONESIA

We should send travel warning to Nigerians: If you have Nigerian passport, don't go INDONESIA.

We should set-up 'NGO', and use this as proxy to do all the dirty war.

We should place SANCTION on them and bully all AFRICAN countries to follow; they need our money, banks etc.

We should have ENEMY ACT' bill, and put such country on the LIST

We should have PARENT/FRIEND LIABILITY bill; parents/friends are also partly responsible. It becomes criminal offence if you know your friend is doing this and you don't report it.

We must put these COUNTRIES under consistent pressure.

The two people were executed and you see it as a joking matter? Na wa for you oh.








anyway, the Nigerian govt appealed for clemency in may this year, to no avail.

http://odili.net/news/source/2008/may/31/5.html

THE Federal Government has appealed to the Republic ofIndonesia to temper justice with mercy and halt the planned execution of two Nigerians held on allegation of drug trafficking in that country.

As at press time, the names of the two Nigerians were not made available.

The government made the appeal in Abuja yesterday when the Indonesian Ambassador, Nurhadi Djazuli, paid an official visit on the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Chief Ojo Madueke.

Madueke said Nigeria condemns any form of law breaking by its citizens anywhere in the world but called on the government of Indonesia to

Commute the charges and give room for their rehabilitation back home in Nigeria.

While stating that Nigeria was not in a position to pass comment or judgment on any country that imposes the death penalty on drug trafficking, Maduekwe appealed to the Indonesian President to

commute the sentences in the spirit of the over 50 years of diplomatic relations between the two countries.

The minister used the opportunity to also admonish Nigerians living in other countries to obey the laws of their host countries, stressing: "If you go to countries that have death sentence for drug trafficking, you have to realise that you don't violate the laws of these countries".

He noted that there has been a breakdown of family values leading to the collapse of morals in the traditional and religious systems.

Maduekwe disclosed that the ministry was collaborating with other stakeholders with cognate experience to embark on a sensitization workshop to educate Nigerians on the dangers of engaging in unwholesome activities in foreign countries.

The workshop will be used to appeal to Nigerians to always be law abiding when they travel out of the country.

He challenged leaders at all community levels to address the issues of drug trafficking, prostitution and financial fraud.

Though knowing Landis and other bad belle people like him on nairaland, they're probably popping champagne in celebration of the execution.

The two people were executed and you see it as a joking matter?

It's not a laughing matter but if they were guilty, so be it.

RedHotChic:

It's not a laughing matter but if they were guilty, so be it.

what if you went to Indonesia with your boyfriend, and he planted drugs in your suitcase which were then discovered by officials? Would you still support the death penalty for offenders?

watch Bridget Jones-The edge of reason. It does happen in real life as well.

I dont think the executions were simply to deter crime. I feel there's a political undertone to all this.

australian girl freed

nigerians executed. . .

someone said their offence is different, can the person show me the indonesian law(s) that says if the quantity is small or for personal use there will be different punishments? was the girl freed? or her sentence commuted? if she was freed good for her, but the naijans might have at least had their sentence reduced to life imprisonment.

well, it's all the same pattern. no disrespect for indonesian laws, but the pattern here may not really be about skin color but that of ''reasonable'' country vs 'yeye country' . xenophobia in SA attacked people from certain type of countries. hmmm

i'm not sure it is necessary for me to write about the culpability of the 2 guys. it is incontrovertible. no debate.

however i must note the difference in treatment based on the ''color'' of their passports. if we ''arrange'' our country well, we get better respect and when we beg for our citizens abroad, we may be listenned to.

advice to nigerians travelling. with your passport and skin color, you are already guilty of an imaginary offence. so we must go the extra mile to show we are honest travellers all the time.

may their souls rest in peace. _{and may other nigerians learn from their lesson}

australian girl freed

nigerians executed. . .

someone said their offence is different, can the person show me the indonesian law(s) that says if the quantity is small or for personal use there will be different punishments? was the girl freed? or her sentence commuted? if she was freed good for her, but the naijans might have at least had their sentence reduced to life imprisonment.

Probably. They have similar laws here in the US. Your punishment is dependent on the quantity you are carrying. There may not be any capital punishment for drug offenses in the US but those that were busted with a commercial quantity usually go in for a long time.

darfur:

australian girl freed

nigerians executed. . .

someone said their offence is different, can the person show me the indonesian law(s) that says if the quantity is small or for personal use there will be different punishments? was the girl freed? or her sentence commuted? if she was freed good for her, but the naijans might have at least had their sentence reduced to life imprisonment.

well, it's all the same pattern. no disrespect for indonesian laws, but the pattern here may not really be about skin color but that of ''reasonable'' country vs 'yeye country' . xenophobia in SA attacked people from certain type of countries. hmmm

i'm not sure it is necessary for me to write about the culpability of the 2 guys. it is incontrovertible. no debate.

however i must note the difference in treatment based on the ''color'' of their passports. if we ''arrange'' our country well, we get better respect and when we beg for our citizens abroad, we may be listenned to.
advice to nigerians travelling. with your passport and skin color, you are already guilty of an imaginary offence. so we must go the extra mile to show we are honest travellers all the time.

may their souls rest in peace. _{and may other nigerians learn from their lesson}

True.

Why take the risk of smuggling drugs in to a country whose stand on drug peddling is crystal clear? It's about time we stop using racism as an excuse because it's not a good one. If you know you're not wanted somewhere, don't go there or better still, obey their laws! After all, they say those who are not wanted in a gathering should not start songs! They killed two thais in 2004, some Australians are still on death row. . . me think Nigerians should be responsible for their indiscriminate acts once in a while and stop heaping blames on the government!

RedHotChic:

Probably. They have similar laws here in the US. Your punishment is dependent on the quantity you are carrying. There may not be any capital punishment for drug offenses in the US but those that were busted with a commercial quantity usually go in for a long time.

You're right, I think the punishment is proportional to the quantity, not sure but looks like it.

landis:

AGREED but why is the Aussie Girl not killed but the naija were killed for same offence?

Why were the two Thai guys executed in 2004?

The Aussie girl that made headlines was caught trying to smuggle weed into Indonesia and she got  over 10 years with hard labor. . .  Had she brought in Cocaine or Heroine, she would probably have been given the death penalty. Another one is the Aussie girl arrested with the Bali nine, me think she got 13 years or so.

If at all there’s a racist undertone to the executions, my advice is: stay away from countries that give death penalty for drug trafficking!

Just for for the the record, I am strongly against death penalty!!!

@ CANDY WHAT ELSE CAN i SAY?

Study the rules before going to a country please!


Ignorance is no excuse under the law

candy:

my advice is: stay away from countries that give death penalty for drug trafficking!

Just for for the the record, I am strongly against death penalty!!!

after watching saddam's execution on youtube, i'm not sure i favour the death penalty anymore.

by the way candy, good advice. keep away from countries that give death penalty for drug trafficking . . .

better advice . . . keep away from drugs (usage or trafficking)

__________darfur

Why take the risk of smuggling drugs in to a country whose stand on drug peddling is crystal clear? It's about time we stop using racism as an excuse because it's not a good one. If you know you're not wanted somewhere, don't go there or better still, obey their laws! After all, they say those who are not wanted in a gathering should not start songs! They killed two thais in 2004, some Australians are still on death row. . . me think Nigerians should be responsible for their indiscriminate acts once in a while and stop heaping blames on the government!

Respect the rules of the country you are going to save yourself from any problems.

I've always been against the death penalty. But, sometimes I wonder what my fellow Nigerians are looking for in clearly racist countries in Asia. Many Asians are extremely racist towards blacks! It is only when the oyinbo man show them pepper that they begin to review their position.

blacksta:



No doubt . please bear in mind where have two diferent scenarios here the aussie was a drug user and she was caught with smaller quantity for personal use while the nigeria men were drug peddlers another name Barons - selling drugs to enrich themeselves

apart from that ,to add to your comment,there is something called "criminal profiling" before a country anywhere in the world will grant clemency,they will look at the any preceding cases of similar offence from the country in question,an aussie drug mule to indonasia is not a regular occurence , so the girl will be more believable even if she knowingly did commit the offnce,while an average nigerian who even was not aware will have a very hard time convincing not just the indonesians but anyone at all that he is innocent,so i think theres little the government could have done under the circumstances
@poster
we dont need to boycott indonesia e.tc like the b.a issue because they are two totally diffrent issues for the reason i have given above