truthislight:

Well, the bible has this advise for those intending marriage:

that they should pass the flowering infancy age befor entering marriage.

"But if any man think that he is behaving improperly toward his virginity, if that is pass the bloom of youth , and this is the way it should take place, let him do what he wants, he does not sin: let them marry." (1 Corinthians 7:36)

that ^, certainly should be above ten.

puberty is between the ages of 10-14.......so again......


Your bible has nothing against Yerima...infact,

Alwaystrue:

Sex is meant to be between man and wife. That is how ordained it from the very beginning. Not man and fiancee so premarital sex is WRONG and is Fornication. You join yourself only to your wife or husband. God makes two people one. Sex is marital duty within only husband and wife. People who are comfortable to sleep with those they are not (yet) married to are termed prostitutes. Even those who are bethrothed to marry someone in the bible did not have sex for virginity is priced.

As for the spiritual side, please study the verse below:

Genesis 2:24
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh

I Corinthians 6:15,16
15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh


I Cor. 7:2
2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband
3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband
4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife


Another spiritual side is to note that even when you look lustfully at a woman who is not your wife, sexual immorality has occured.
This is the simple law of the spirit Jesus gave....going ahead to physically carry it out has further placed that person 'under the law'.

You can't be more correct dear. Let them continue to twist the holy scriptures to their destruction.

RationalDude: Well, I haven't slept with a woman before so I wouldn't know about that.

You are really dulling, is your name Dolapo?

@Folkaze, What do u even stand-For .. If U claimed IFA adherent, IFA never teaches such shenanigans you hold against Eledumare/Eledua(Supreme Deity in Yoruba) ......

My own Understanding of Spiritual aspect of Sex is ;

As both sexes are consumating one-another their Algorithms are mixing together as well, as such, the viral infections embedded in one sex can thus affect the other vice-versa !!!

Just like inserting a flashdrive into a Laptop ''Port'' .......... As dem dey kolobi one-another dem dey share Messages both Good and/or Bad ..... !!!


Therefore, Apart from the physical infections there are also abstract infections which can corrupt your state of Cleanliness among other states and that is why ''most spiritualists'' condemned ''illicit sex'' since it spiritually infect the state of cleanliness of the Mind/Soul ......!!!


Therefore, Abstain unless Married... Even If U marry the wrong girl/guy , U must Hear-am !!!


@ LogicBoy,No scare that Dude in your ''U know me'' wetin U be, abeg Mechionu gi there.... Ur state of mumu must be caused by banging Mummy-water Girls and/or Ogbanje dem ...... Dem don use your head fry PuffPuff .....

RationalDude: Good day.
So, I was having a conversation with one of my religious friends and we delved into the topic of premarital sex (is it wrong or right), while I maintained that it was neither right nor wrong since it had its merits and demerits, he disagreed with me claiming that there is more to sex than just the physical and then he went on to add that there is a spiritual side to sex.
Urging him to clarify on what he meant by that, he said that when a man and a woman make love, they become bonded and become one with each other sharing in each others problems and happiness and that when a man sleeps around with multiple women, he becomes fragmented and his fortunes would dwindle and so on......
While I don't subscribe to his notion of sex being spiritual, I still want to know what the general public thinks about this issue so I ask, is there a spiritual side to sex?

Lol, prostitutes must be bonded to thousands of people. Ask your guy what evidence he has for that bogus claim and watch his silence

Logicboy03:


puberty is between the ages of 10-14.......so again......


Your bible has nothing against Yerima...infact,

what is the "bloom of youth" ?

When is passed the "bloom of youth" ?

Am having faith that you can address those ^ questions.

donroxy: @Folkaze, What do u even stand-For .. If U claimed IFA adherent, IFA never teaches such shenanigans you hold against Eledumare/Eledua(Supreme Deity in Yoruba) ......

Eledumare to me is the totality of every forces and energies that therein in universe. This is not being or monster or daddy living in the sky.

And how does Eledumare got concerned about sex?

Humans are spirits....we are Gods so we creates law and bonds for ourselves in society. I dont think school vc necessarily needs to know about whats going on between me and other student since it not against school rule. Sex as you can since it not against nature and universal law. So I dont know what Bible God is looking for in human and animal sex habit. Maybe all goats are going to hell since they have sex with any female be it family or not.

There is Ifa verse on sex? Dont think so

Any god that is not concerned about sexuality surely cannot be a true God. Because He clearly does not understand the significance and extent to which the operation of sex is involved in all of the universe. All knowledge and action is se.xual in principle and operation. These are words for the few that are awakened (and choose wisdom), but foolishness to the rest majority. As long as you don't appreciate the significance and spirituality of sex, then the highest form of advancement you can ever attain is manhood, instead of Godhood. All your wisdom is just conventional wisdom, rather than transcendent wisdom.

^^^

Verbose nonsense without any substance.

okeyxyz: Any god that is not concerned about sexuality surely cannot be a true God. Because He clearly does not understand the significance and extent to which the operation of sex is involved in all of the universe. All knowledge and action is se.xual in principle and operation. These are words for the few that are awakened (and choose wisdom), but foolishness to the rest majority. As long as you don't appreciate the significance and spirituality of sex, then the highest form of advancement you can ever attain is manhood, instead of Godhood. All your wisdom is just conventional wisdom, rather than transcendent wisdom.

See when dealing with other folks, take your roman nonsense out of talk.

In yoruba, Orisa doesn't have problem with your life because you are your own God and not puppet or robot.

In yoruba, it said ori eni ni orisa eni. You yourself is your own God. I wonder how myself is your headache since im not disturbing or hurting your peace.

Orisha are Gods.

They don't have se.xuality. They are SPiritual Forces.

We have given them se.xuality in relation with the orientation of the forces and the imagery/idolatory attached to each particular God.

FOLYKAZE:

See when dealing with other folks, take your roman nonsense out of talk.

And which of my post(to which you are responding to) has roman doctrine or "roman nonsense" in them?? Please help us point them out. You speak with too much assumption and too little understanding. How can any of my words possibly be roman? You hear "christian" and automatically assume "roman". You accuse me of being robotic, yet your response and behaviour demonstrates the same robotic behaviour by failing to (or incapable of) analyze and discern messages beyond the "christian" labels that come with them. You even fail to demonstrate the orisa spirit/mindset that is supposed to be in you. A true orisa practitioner would at least divide the message into doctrines and choose which is true and which is false, but you don't seem to be able to beyond the label "christian". smh

In yoruba, Orisa doesn't have problem with your life because you are your own God and not puppet or robot.

In yoruba, it said ori eni ni orisa eni. You yourself is your own God. I wonder how myself is your headache since im not disturbing or hurting your peace.

So now you want me to consider your yoruba/orisa doctrine when you can't even bear to consider my christian doctrine?? How ironic . It's quite easy to differentiate true spirituals from people who merely claim to be spiritual. A true spiritual considers and judges/discerns all things, irrespective of race, origin, language, gender, etc because he knows truth is universal, not conventional(note the difference). You my friend, are a follower of convention, not of truth, because the only way I can earn your respect is by carrying an orisa banner, else I'm talking rubbish. You are a mere man, you cannot attain Godhood.

okeyxyz:

Well, are animals spiritual entities too? Besides, the christian scriptures tell us that all of nature is faulty, hence the prevalence of se.xual deviation/pervasion(@logicboy, note proper usage )



The question is: Is he God? Did he create a particular sexuality? If both answers are yes, then shouldn't he be concerned that his creation is broken?



Well, Father and Son are male, no biggie, But who knows the nature of the holy spirit? In God, there is male and female, the female aspect of God is hidden to them who don't know God. This is principal to the mystery of God.



Marriage is not for everybody. There are people who for the sake of the kingdom will choose not to marry(and I'm not talking about catholic priests, they are just misled). Not choosing to marry does not mean staying away from sex. Sex must not be enslaved to marriage. Marriage is a permissible christian option, not the mandate. The ultimate is to live an unmarried life and still have right to sex.

No, people do not become bonded forever when they have se.x. But as long as you choose marriage, then you are bound (both legally and spiritually) to obey the laws of marriage, and you bear the rewards and punishments of such bounds.

Animals possess the same soul as we humans,

God can't be limited to gender.
there's no such thing as a female expect to the God in the Bible, he is full male

PAGAN 9JA:
Orisha are Gods.

They don't have se.xuality. They are SPiritual Forces.

We have given them se.xuality in relation with the orientation of the forces and the imagery/idolatory attached to each particular God.

How can orisas not have sexuality?? How can sexuality not have spiritual significance, yet we(and everything) are all products of se.xual principles and operations?? I assume you won't understand this but I'm gonna say it anyway: If orisas can't see the importance of sexuality, it is because it is a mystery still hidden to them and most(if not all) religions and they are still grappling with shadows, just like the Law of Moses is grappling with shadows. It takes a truly awakened person to see sexuality in all things because it is the creator and god principle. It is simply the coming together of the masculine(creator) and feminine(builder) principles to deliver any doctrine or product/project. As simple as it is(and this is why everybody disregards it, it is too common to be considered important), yet it is the ultimate wisdom from which all wisdoms are derived.

Words for the wise

okeyxyz:


No.1, that is not a christian doctrine. It is the Law of Moses.

No.2, Who are you to judge the moralities of many thousand years ago? What do you know about this societies you assume to judge over? What do you know about the biological, mental and social awareness and readiness of 10 year olds back then as compared to 10 year olds of today? Your positions on this matter are totally out of context in all ramifications of context. You seem not to understand why women marry later in life today because you equate the societies of today to that of thousands of years ago. You think it's all about age rather than social-economic preparedness and requirements. Bros, do some proper critique, then perhaps we can engage.

Hypocrite, what do u mean by it's nt the Christian doctrine?

Is it nt in ur Bible? You must do exactly way ur Bible tells u unless you have sinned

some months ago I told NL Christians to debunk the old testament, that would free them a little from this mental slavery, but they saidNO since you believe so much in the God of Israel, you must do as he has commanded.

macof:

Animals possess the same soul as we humans,

You are talking of souls, I'm more interested in spirits.

God can't be limited to gender.
there's no such thing as a female expect to the God in the Bible, he is full male

Hence you continue to wallow in shadows like every other religion. They all say "God has no sexuality...", "there's no male and female in God...". Everybody reads the bible/scriptures but it is given to some to actually decode the messages and doctrines contained in this bible. So I can only say that you have believed the same lies/shadows that the rest of the world have also believed. The laws of Moses are modeled after the principles of the Godhead, but the understanding was not given to them. The rights of inheritance, the rights to carry the family name, the rights to priesthood, the rights to speak publicly, etc were given to men only, does it mean that there are no women in israel? Like I said; they have the law but do not have the understanding to go with it, thus it is all shadows they follow. Just like femininity is hidden in the law of Moses, likewise the femininity of God is hidden in the Godhead.

macof:

Hypocrite, what do u mean by it's nt the Christian doctrine?

Is it nt in ur Bible? You must do exactly way ur Bible tells u unless you have sinned

some months ago I told NL Christians to debunk the old testament, that would free them a little from this mental slavery, but they saidNO since you believe so much in the God of Israel, you must do as he has commanded.

You fail to discern truth, rather you follow conventions and numbers, you are ruled by majority opinion. This is the way of men, not of Gods.

The bible contains doctrines of the law of Moses and doctrines of christianity. They are not the same. If you cannot differentiate between the two, then you and I cannot move forward in this quest of knowledge/wisdom. I'm only gonna leave you behind.

FOLYKAZE:
Eledumare to me is the totality of every forces and energies that therein in universe. This is not being or monster or daddy living in the sky.

And how does Eledumare got concerned about sex?

Humans are spirits....we are Gods so we creates law and bonds for ourselves in society. I dont think school vc necessarily needs to know about whats going on between me and other student since it not against school rule. Sex as you can since it not against nature and universal law. So I dont know what Bible God is looking for in human and animal sex habit. Maybe all goats are going to hell since they have sex with any female be it family or not.

There is Ifa verse on sex? Dont think so

FolyKaze, I think it's High time I cleared your doubt,Confusion and Misconceptions on IFA Orientations and U can never decipher IFA Ideologies until U get closed to confirmed adherents .....


It baffles me on Nairaland when some Yoruba dudes equates ''baba-Alawo'' with ''Adifala''/''Abore'' ...... There is bigger difference between them-all ..... !!!


Before, I analysed further , Let me first and foremost correct this nasty mentality revolving in your brain that ''we are GOD'' ''Egberun era oo le gbe Suga a'' no,no,no ... You are just a tool, a kinda machine/robot created by Eledua (GOD) and your destiny(Software/Algorithm) is already embedded in your ''ORI'' that is why in Yorubaland we don't joke with ''Ori and Atelewo'' ... Ori divine your destiny,Atelewo divine what U shall do to fulfill the destiny(Ori) ..... !!!


Eledua is neither/Either a daddy nor/or monster but get something clear in your Head,FOLY, It/HE/SHE/Whatever such is ,is a ''Being'' and a profound one and a Totality of all Forces/Energy/power embedded in the Universe and Universe-Beyond !!!


FolyKaze, U may wish to note that You are Useless other than the Usefulness attached to you by fellow Human, like you, and Eledua itself/himself !!!.....


You are like Cartoon e.g Ben 10,Naruto,Tom and Jerry ......... All these characters aint Important in themselves other than the Importance their ''programmer and Viewers attached to them.... !!


The essence of the above paragraph is ''we are in a fake world'' and you have been left with ''consciousness'' and ''Intelligence'' in discovering your way back to the ''Real Zion'' !!!


Eledua got concerned with the Totality of your LIFE and whatever U do therein and U may wish to know that Non of your actions/Inactions have any ''Impact'' whatsoever on Eledua since ''it'' deosn't need your force/energy/et-all to exist and Subsist !!!



The essence of Eledua prohibition on Illicit sex and any other action is simply to protect your ORI against virtual contingencies .....!!!



FolyKaze, Goats among other animals and Plants are all Immaterial in the presence of Eledua ...... They are only useful for Human-consumption and Useless in other spheres/realm .....!!!


U may wish to also note that Humans are not the only beings created by Eledua we have some other beings too, whom are virtual beings, obscure to Human-Na.k.ed eyes unless ''Human with extra-Eyes'' (a confirmed Yooba Understand this) !!!


It has already been established that Among all the beings created by Eledua, Only Human is embedded with the best of the best level of Intelligence which we are yet to explore .... And FolyKaze, I am looking forward to who shall prevail when struggle for control ''may'' later exist between Human and Aliens !!!


FolyKaze, the difference between Adifala/Abore and Baba-Alawo is quite enormous , a baba-Alawo can not do without IFA and is associated with EVIL and/or Good possessions while an Adifa can do without Baba-Alawo also an Adifa can never be associated with anything Evil even If U strike them ,they won't strike back (Fi Ire sanbi,Fi Ire sanre) as such from the cloth they put-on ,it is always spotlessly clean(white) and Immaculate ...... Also is their Characters,Relationship,Engagements and other Behavioural attitudes .... Their essence is to keep providing solutions to everly present Human-Problems ... No Adifala will asked you to hurt others(Kidnapping,Ritual Killing) in order for you to prosper ......!!!


Dude, I can go on,on and on but let me see your rebutta first in determining how to proceed !!!



N.B U can not single-Handedly decipher all this unless you are tutored, IFA is one all over the world, we only tagged it what we tagged it based on Culture/Orientation, also it is so Esoteric as it is full of parables and could only be deciphered by Wizards (who are in Hierachy) and who always gathered together in AWO(Fraternity/BrotherHood) !!!


There are more,more,more and more FolyKaze !!!



An average IFA adherent would never Engage in Illicit Affairs/Engagement cuz He knows how such will affect his ORI ......

FOLYKAZE:

See when dealing with other folks, take your roman nonsense out of talk.

In yoruba, Orisa doesn't have problem with your life because you are your own God and not puppet or robot.

In yoruba, it said ori eni ni orisa eni. You yourself is your own God. I wonder how myself is your headache since im not disturbing or hurting your peace.

U see , FolyKaze, by the time U digested my post above ,maybe U would Understand the difference between God,Ori and Orisas !!!


Orisa/Eledua doesn't have problem with your Life as your Life doesn't in anyway affect its supremacy but out of Love for you as ''its''(Eledua) Magnificient tool, Eledua decided to keep your algorithm clean and Immaculate as such the various warnings and proclamations tagged Scriptures/Odu


and FolyKaze, U can be my problem or favour because, all Human actions/Inactions has consequence either directly/Indirectly on one-another .....


We are all relative all over the Universe ..... !!

donroxy: FolyKaze, I think it's High time I cleared your doubt,Confusion and Misconceptions on IFA Orientations and U can never decipher IFA Ideologies until U get closed to confirmed adherents .....


It baffles me on Nairaland when some Yoruba dudes equates ''baba-Alawo'' with ''Adifala''/''Abore'' ...... There is bigger difference between them-all ..... !!!


Before, I analysed further , Let me first and foremost correct this nasty mentality revolving in your brain that ''we are GOD'' ''Egberun era oo le gbe Suga a'' no,no,no ... You are just a tool, a kinda machine/robot created by Eledua (GOD) and your destiny(Software/Algorithm) is already embedded in your ''ORI'' that is why in Yorubaland we don't joke with ''Ori and Atelewo'' ... Ori divine your destiny,Atelewo divine what U shall do to fulfill the destiny(Ori) ..... !!!


Eledua is neither/Either a daddy nor/or monster but get something clear in your Head,FOLY, It/HE/SHE/Whatever such is ,is a ''Being'' and a profound one and a Totality of all Forces/Energy/power embedded in the Universe and Universe-Beyond !!!


FolyKaze, U may wish to note that You are Useless other than the Usefulness attached to you by fellow Human, like you, and Eledua itself/himself !!!.....


You are like Cartoon e.g Ben 10,Naruto,Tom and Jerry ......... All these characters aint Important in themselves other than the Importance their ''programmer and Viewers attached to them.... !!


The essence of the above paragraph is ''we are in a fake world'' and you have been left with ''consciousness'' and ''Intelligence'' in discovering your way back to the ''Real Zion'' !!!


Eledua got concerned with the Totality of your LIFE and whatever U do therein and U may wish to know that Non of your actions/Inactions have any ''Impact'' whatsoever on Eledua since ''it'' deosn't need your force/energy/et-all to exist and Subsist !!!



The essence of Eledua prohibition on Illicit sex and any other action is simply to protect your ORI against virtual contingencies .....!!!



FolyKaze, Goats among other animals and Plants are all Immaterial in the presence of Eledua ...... They are only useful for Human-consumption and Useless in other spheres/realm .....!!!


U may wish to also note that Humans are not the only beings created by Eledua we have some other beings too, whom are virtual beings, obscure to Human-Na.k.ed eyes unless ''Human with extra-Eyes'' (a confirmed Yooba Understand this) !!!


It has already been established that Among all the beings created by Eledua, Only Human is embedded with the best of the best level of Intelligence which we are yet to explore .... And FolyKaze, I am looking forward to who shall prevail when struggle for control ''may'' later exist between Human and Aliens !!!


FolyKaze, the difference between Adifala/Abore and Baba-Alawo is quite enormous , a baba-Alawo can not do without IFA and is associated with EVIL and/or Good possessions while an Adifa can do without Baba-Alawo also an Adifa can never be associated with anything Evil even If U strike them ,they won't strike back (Fi Ire sanbi,Fi Ire sanre) as such from the cloth they put-on ,it is always spotlessly clean(white) and Immaculate ...... Also is their Characters,Relationship,Engagements and other Behavioural attitudes .... Their essence is to keep providing solutions to everly present Human-Problems ... No Adifala will asked you to hurt others(Kidnapping,Ritual Killing) in order for you to prosper ......!!!


Dude, I can go on,on and on but let me see your rebutta first in determining how to proceed !!!



N.B U can not single-Handedly decipher all this unless you are tutored, IFA is one all over the world, we only tagged it what we tagged it based on Culture/Orientation, also it is so Esoteric as it is full of parables and could only be deciphered by Wizards (who are in Hierachy) and who always gathered together in AWO(Fraternity/BrotherHood) !!!


There are more,more,more and more FolyKaze !!!



An average IFA adherent would never Engage in Illicit Affairs/Engagement cuz He knows how such will affect his ORI ......

Pls let us know more about Adifala.
I have seen in recent Yoruba movies, of white clothed Awos but I never knew they had a different characteristic.

I always call them babalawo since they are also into Ifa

macof:
Pls let us know more about Adifala.
I have seen in recent Yoruba movies, of white clothed Awos but I never knew they had a different characteristic.

I always call them babalawo since they are also into Ifa

IFA is ''basically'' a means to Knowledge


U can only understand IFA within your level of Comprehension/Understanding which is determined by Culture,Environment,Education,Orientation and utmost your ''BRAIN/MIND'' !!!


No-Human has absolute Knowledge of IFA which is tagged Oracle in English among other names in other culture/civilisation ....... If Oyinbo-dude should divine and an African-man should divine, both may arrive @ same/slightly/majorly (different) conclusions as the interpretations of result generated in Odus/or whatever tool used in the divinity is determined by how versatile you are in Knowledge and Ability to decode (i.e your Intelligence and processing speed) ..... Which is affected by factors enumerated above i.e civilisation;culture;orientation et all !!!


Other e.g........
U may Divine Nigeria and IFA may be reffering/pointing to US, if you are not versatile in International Politics/Economics U may never be able to Interpolate Nigeria-US relationship in eliciting response from your query from IFA........


IFA shall give U answer, but U gat to Interprete am in your own papa-Language/other understood languages which your brain can comprehend since the response always ensued in parables !!


U gat the drift now ba !!
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Baba-Alawo (I interpreted to mean ''A Man in Cult/Fraternity'' , it may be for Good and/or for Bad) as such can be an ''Adifala'' in order to ascertain the essence of his actions/inactions ..... !!!


But a Pure(whole who never mix any other shi.t.s) ''Adifa'' knows all Good actions beget good incidence/consequence while all evil actions beget evils incidence/consequence as such they will never engaged in what shall corrupt their Ori... !!!

The Most Important tool in the hand of Adifa is ''IWA'' (Behaviour)!! And they hardly lose Good Behaviour unless provoked beyond reasonable doubt .... !!!


If u no sabi how to waka infront of babaalawo, ihm go deal with you ooo but confirmed Ifa adherents hardly hurts,hardly !! even ,u shall be warned before dem hurt you which is by way of not desisting from your evil ways or disturbing their own processes !!!


The Only Limitation of some IFA adherents to me is act of worship and Belief in GOD ..... !! But who are mine to Judge anybody...... !!!


Lakum deeni Kum,Wali ya deen (Your way is yours,Mine is mine) !!!

okeyxyz:

How can orisas not have sexuality?? How can sexuality not have spiritual significance, yet we(and everything) are all products of se.xual principles and operations?? I assume you won't understand this but I'm gonna say it anyway: If orisas can't see the importance of sexuality, it is because it is a mystery still hidden to them and most(if not all) religions and they are still grappling with shadows, just like the Law of Moses is grappling with shadows. It takes a truly awakened person to see sexuality in all things because it is the creator and god principle. It is simply the coming together of the masculine(creator) and feminine(builder) principles to deliver any doctrine or product/project . As simple as it is(and this is why everybody disregards it, it is too common to be considered important), yet it is the ultimate wisdom from which all wisdoms are derived.

Words for the wise

The Orisha are not animals, neither are they bound by human norms. It is we who chose to worship them.

The Universe is too big.


@the bolded, you made that up.

donroxy:
Lakum deeni Kum,Wali ya deen (Your way is yours,Mine is mine) !!!

hahaha Surah Al-Kafirun!

where you a muslim before?

donroxy: FolyKaze, I think it's High time I cleared your doubt,Confusion and Misconceptions on IFA Orientations and U can never decipher IFA Ideologies until U get closed to confirmed adherents .....

Hey bro....I never claim anywhere that I have authority on Ifa. The reason I didn't declare myself as pagan is because im yet to get initiated. So i still have lot to learn from within....there are steps for everythings.

Before, I analysed further , Let me first and foremost correct this nasty mentality revolving in your brain that [b]''we are GOD'' ''Egberun era oo le gbe Suga a'' no,no,no ... You are just a tool, a kinda machine/robot created by Eledua (GOD) and your destiny(Software/Algorithm) is already embedded in your ''ORI'' that is why in Yorubaland we don't joke with ''Ori and Atelewo'' ... Ori divine your destiny,Atelewo divine what U shall do to fulfill the destiny(Ori) ..... !!!

Can you shut the crap? Define God and show me how human aint God. God is not exact translation of Eledumare.

Eledua is neither/Either a daddy nor/or monster but get something clear in your Head,FOLY, It/HE/SHE/Whatever such is ,is a ''Being'' and a profound one and a Totality of all Forces/Energy/power embedded in the Universe and Universe-Beyond !!!

Is this baseless attack on kaze? That above is my concept about Eledumare.

FolyKaze, U may wish to note that You are Useless other than the Usefulness attached to you by fellow Human, like you, and Eledua itself/himself !!!.....


You are like Cartoon e.g Ben 10,Naruto,Tom and Jerry ......... All these characters aint Important in themselves other than the Importance their ''programmer and Viewers attached to them.... !!


The essence of the above paragraph is ''we are in a fake world'' and you have been left with ''consciousness'' and ''Intelligence'' in discovering your way back to the ''Real Zion'' !!!


Eledua got concerned with the Totality of your LIFE and whatever U do therein and U may wish to know that Non of your actions/Inactions have any ''Impact'' whatsoever on Eledua since ''it'' deosn't need your force/energy/et-all to exist and Subsist !!!



The essence of Eledua prohibition on Illicit sex and any other action is simply to protect your ORI against virtual contingencies .....!!!



FolyKaze, Goats among other animals and Plants are all Immaterial in the presence of Eledua ...... They are only useful for Human-consumption and Useless in other spheres/realm .....!!!


U may wish to also note that Humans are not the only beings created by Eledua we have some other beings too, whom are virtual beings, obscure to Human-Na.k.ed eyes unless ''Human with extra-Eyes'' (a confirmed Yooba Understand this) !!!


It has already been established that Among all the beings created by Eledua, Only Human is embedded with the best of the best level of Intelligence which we are yet to explore .... And FolyKaze, I am looking forward to who shall prevail when struggle for control ''may'' later exist between Human and Aliens !!!

I didn't contradict any of this epistle. Maybe you can show me where I did sha

FolyKaze, the difference between Adifala/Abore and Baba-Alawo is quite enormous , a baba-Alawo can not do without IFA and is associated with EVIL and/or Good possessions while an Adifa can do without Baba-Alawo also an Adifa can never be associated with anything Evil even If U strike them ,they won't strike back (Fi Ire sanbi,Fi Ire sanre) as such from the cloth they put-on ,it is always spotlessly clean(white) and Immaculate ...... Also is their Characters,Relationship,Engagements and other Behavioural attitudes .... Their essence is to keep providing solutions to everly present Human-Problems ... No Adifala will asked you to hurt others(Kidnapping,Ritual Killing) in order for you to prosper ......!!!


Dude, I can go on,on and on but let me see your rebutta first in determining how to proceed !!!

I dont see how this relate with the topic or my post so dont expect rebuttal from me on rants.

N.B U can not single-Handedly decipher all this unless you are tutored, IFA is one all over the world, we only tagged it what we tagged it based on Culture/Orientation, also it is so Esoteric as it is full of parables and could only be deciphered by Wizards (who are in Hierachy) and who always gathered together in AWO(Fraternity/BrotherHood) !!!


There are more,more,more and more FolyKaze !!!

I didn't say contrary to this man.

An average IFA adherent would never Engage in Illicit Affairs/Engagement cuz He knows how such will affect his ORI ......

Ifa priest marry as many as possible. Some are polygamous while others are monogamous. Polarities (negative or positive) attribute to your Ori and not mine, orisa or Eledumare.

So what ya saying?

donroxy: U see , FolyKaze, by the time U digested my post above ,maybe U would Understand the difference between God,Ori and Orisas !!!

You the one ranting with authority here.

The problem you having is God. Etymology of that world didn't describe Eledumare to it fullness. The word God and Eledumare should be what you define and we can proceed.

Orisa/Eledua doesn't have problem with your Life as your Life doesn't in anyway affect its supremacy but out of Love for you as ''its''(Eledua) Magnificient tool, Eledua decided to keep your algorithm clean and Immaculate as such the various warnings and proclamations tagged Scriptures/Odu

Why are you deluding yourself? Orisa and Eledua aint the same man. I wonder why you are using them as same.

Now you saying my life doesn't affect Eledumare but you were saying sexlife does. This is contradictory....get more fact grounds before coming on on issues. Afterall, I didn't say contrary to this.

and FolyKaze, U can be my problem or favour because, all Human actions/Inactions has consequence either directly/Indirectly on one-another .....

This is the only thing that make sense in your post. Countering this, it is our Ipin/Ayanmo that determines everything we do on earth. My action on physical realm affect you only if our parts are destined together. Ototo la yan Ori.

Eyi wunmi, eyi wu e lafi nje obe lototo. Decipher that.

We are all relative all over the Universe ..... !!

therefore we are all microcosm part of Eledumare.

donroxy:
IFA is ''basically'' a means to Knowledge


U can only understand IFA within your level of Comprehension/Understanding which is determined by Culture,Environment,Education,Orientation and utmost your ''BRAIN/MIND'' !!!


No-Human has absolute Knowledge of IFA which is tagged Oracle in English among other names in other culture/civilisation ....... If Oyinbo-dude should divine and an African-man should divine, both may arrive @ same/slightly/majorly (different) conclusions as the interpretations of result generated in Odus/or whatever tool used in the divinity is determined by how versatile you are in Knowledge and Ability to decode (i.e your Intelligence and processing speed) ..... Which is affected by factors enumerated above i.e civilisation;culture;orientation et all !!!


Other e.g........
U may Divine Nigeria and IFA may be reffering/pointing to US, if you are not versatile in International Politics/Economics U may never be able to Interpolate Nigeria-US relationship in eliciting response from your query from IFA........


IFA shall give U answer, but U gat to Interprete am in your own papa-Language/other understood languages which your brain can comprehend since the response always ensued in parables !!


U gat the drift now ba !!
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Baba-Alawo (I interpreted to mean ''A Man in Cult/Fraternity'' , it may be for Good and/or for Bad) as such can be an ''Adifala'' in order to ascertain the essence of his actions/inactions ..... !!!


But a Pure(whole who never mix any other shi.t.s) ''Adifa'' knows all Good actions beget good incidence/consequence while all evil actions beget evils incidence/consequence as such they will never engaged in what shall corrupt their Ori... !!!

The Most Important tool in the hand of Adifa is ''IWA'' (Behaviour)!! And they hardly lose Good Behaviour unless provoked beyond reasonable doubt .... !!!


If u no sabi how to waka infront of babaalawo, ihm go deal with you ooo but confirmed Ifa adherents hardly hurts,hardly !! even ,u shall be warned before dem hurt you which is by way of not desisting from your evil ways or disturbing their own processes !!!


The Only Limitation of some IFA adherents to me is act of worship and Belief in GOD ..... !! But who are mine to Judge anybody...... !!!


Lakum deeni Kum,Wali ya deen (Your way is yours,Mine is mine) !!!

Epic dumb rants and lies

The guy asked you simple questions and not rants that doesn't relate to his question. He already know about Ifa and still studying about it. This dancing around is rumble trash.

babalawo is from 'baba + al + awo' which mean father/master who know the secrets or mystrism. It is a name that identify Ifa priest. Ifa priest and different entirely from aworo orisa.

Adifala is a name or title attached to adherent of Ifa or person. It more like Ifashola, Ifayemi among others.

Maybe you missing whole lot of your confusion between Adifala and babalawo with Onisegun

please research on there differences.

PAGAN 9JA:



hahaha Surah Al-Kafirun!

where you a muslim before?

I am a Muslim always !!!

FOLYKAZE:
Hey bro....I never claim anywhere that I have authority on Ifa.
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The reason I didn't declare myself as pagan is because im yet to get initiated. So i still have lot to learn from within....there are steps for everythings.
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Can you shut the crap? Define God and show me how human aint God. God is not exact translation of Eledumare.
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Is this baseless attack on kaze? That above is my concept about Eledumare.
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I didn't contradict any of this epistle. Maybe you can show me where I did sha
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I dont see how this relate with the topic or my post so dont expect rebuttal from me on rants.
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I didn't say contrary to this man.
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Ifa priest marry as many as possible. Some are polygamous while others are monogamous. Polarities (negative or positive) attribute to your Ori and not mine, orisa or Eledumare.

So what ya saying?

U even lack basic knowledge of IFA to talk of Authority, U have read alot of Mumbo-Jumbo which is difficult for your brain to Interpolate in relation to yoruba Belief such is why you utterred rubbish and ''pa kuta sinu ere'' ........


U should be able to distinguished your own misconceptions and facts ... And it is quite embarrasing when U (re)present your concluded misconceptions as facts !!!

May be that is your own facts u wanto hold onto because, In Yorubaland, a sane man will never claim He is GOD therefore, U can close that bullsh.it of a book you are reading and move close to the elders and not just any of them, a vast and versatile one
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When U know U have a lot to learn, why are you myopically drawing conclusion on you Being God ?

I can never give exact definition of God because of its limitless and some limitations embedded in me which shall quite delimit my definition, but one thing is clear God is the ''Absolute entity'' in any ''realm'' within and beyond the comprehensibility of MAN


Human aint God,if we concieved God to be ''Absolute'', which ''Human'' possesed Absoluteness as a Quality ? in Yoruba sayings U hear ''A jura wa lo,ti jakadi ko'' as well as ''Ibi ti ti Enikan ti pari nibe ni Ti elomiran Ti bere'' ........

The Totality of Humanbeings and the Populations, inclusive of the deads since History, can they equate absoluteness ? ....... How can Human be God , when the absolute force which our eyes can see obviously everyday is the sun and which has been proven to suspend our planet in space and Orbit ....
I woulda extolled your brain if U claimed Sun is God,I would resolved it is your myopia that made you conclude such but your resolution that We Human is GOD is absolute Senselessness in absolute sense !!!

Yoruba Traditional belief never even suggest such and those that claimed such in history were perished by force beyond them !!!

We have been developed to serve as check and balances on one-another right from history,when U claimed you are the supreme in your Village, check another village,someone there is mightier than you and so on !!
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God is the absolute force in English, Eledumare is the absolute force in Yoruba ...... What differs is the circumstances both nations accord ''this entity''

My own Priority is the ''absoluteness'' in the definitions by the two nations and the circumstances regarding the ''absolute force'' as stated by different nations is what makes us realised which nation has ''real grasp'' of what God implied and those nations operating on Myopia(not an insult)!!


I will still like to read your own translation of God in Yoruba ?
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which one is your concept, sound knowledge is one all over the universe and it always lead to one conclusion, therefore,Using your terms implied I agreed with you in that regard and attempted to correct your misconceptions in another regard hmmm ....
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I didn't posted because you contradicted them, I only attempt to show you a bigger picture.....
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If it doesn't relate to your post why are U clearing me-out as quoted .. .... this shows you are more than confused, it is not easy ya kno
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Who is talking about how many wives IFA priests marry, I told you a confirmed adherent doesn't engage in Illicit Affairs because he knows how such could affect his 'ORI' (which is the purpose of the Op)
And If he does Engage in Illicit Affairs(since to err is human), He must absolved himself via performing certain rites ...... Now U figure .....
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''Ti ibi ti ire la da Ile Aye'' and your essence is to keep drifting your Ori towards ''IRE''(Positive) and protect it against ''IBI'' (Negative).

That is what I'm saying....!

@Folykaze,
I shall reply your next posts as my battery is flat right now .....

Watch-Out

donroxy:
U even lack basic knowledge of IFA to talk of Authority, U have read alot of Mumbo-Jumbo which is difficult for your brain to Interpolate in relation to yoruba Belief such is why you utterred rubbish and ''pa kuta sinu ere''

where is the rubbish uttered? If you cant provide it, just shut the hell. I have always try to let people understand that im posting within the limit of my knowledge and not that I know all. Continue splitting trash.

May be that is your own facts u wanto hold onto because, In Yorubaland, a sane man will never claim He is GOD therefore, U can close that bullsh.it of a book you are reading and move close to the elders and not just any of them, a vast and versatile one

Was Sango not king in Oyo? Is he not God of thunder?

What about dead ancestors? Are they not worship as Egungun?

Orisa Ibeji nko?

Before you start splitting trash, try to understand the different concept of God. Yoruba people are naturalistic pantheism which see everything in nature as scared and venerate them all.

Some people worship there toes... some pray with their hood nope? Does that mean my toes created the world?

I can never give exact definition of God because of its limitless and some limitations embedded in me which shall quite delimit my definition, but one thing is clear God is the ''Absolute entity'' in any ''realm'' within and beyond the comprehensibility of MAN

This is monotheistic nonsense.

Human aint God,if we concieved God to be ''Absolute'', which ''Human'' possesed Absoluteness as a Quality ? in Yoruba sayings U hear ''A jura wa lo,ti jakadi ko'' as well as ''Ibi ti ti Enikan ti pari nibe ni Ti elomiran Ti bere'' ........

I have to delete some of your rants. It getting bulky and rolling in circle not making sense.

God

1. the supreme or ultimate reality: the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit: infinite Mind

2: a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship ;specifically: one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality

3: a person or thing of supreme value

4: a powerful ruler

Maybe you can pick on different usage before splitting trash.

God is the absolute force in English, Eledumare is the absolute force in Yoruba ...... What differs is the circumstances both nations accord ''this entity''

I didn't claim im Eledumare or Olodumare. Im God cuz im self conscious, intelligent and have thought. This your Islam is eating your brain up.

I will still like to read your own translation of God in Yoruba ?

whatever you mean by God in Islam doesn't relate with yoruba because Obatala is omnipresent in Ifa and Orunmila is omniscient in Ifa....go figure cuz thats attribute of God.

Here we have Eledumare also called Olorun or Oluwa.

ELEDUMARE Ele-Du–Mare”, we get Ele which means “piece patched upon”; Du means “to make”; and Mare means “the act of making with infinite possibilities”. This does not mean the Islam God. The physical world, including all of space, time, and matter, was created out of a cosmic singularity known commonly as the Big Bang. So from Eledumare flows down energy and forces....science tells us that matter is just condensed energy. Everything in universe compose energy so we are microcosm part of Eledumare. We are our own God with ori.

oluwa can be use for Eledumare as well as person. Nope? Wife call husband Oluwa or there son my FATHER. Does that mean there son gave birth to them?

If it doesn't relate to your post why are U clearing me-out as quoted .. .... this shows you are more than confused, it is not easy ya kno
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You whinning like a widow that lost his only son. Balance your talk on topic or my post.

Who is talking about how many wives IFA priests marry, I told you a confirmed adherent doesn't engage in Illicit Affairs because he knows how such could affect his 'ORI' (which is the purpose of the Op)
And If he does Engage in Illicit Affairs(since to err is human), He must absolved himself via performing certain rites ...... Now U figure .....
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And is it my Ori thats getting the effect or yours? I still dont get any sense from this rant. If I want to sex twenty gals, I have right to marry them....it my ori having the effect not yours or orisa or Eledumare.

''Ti ibi ti ire la da Ile Aye'' and your essence is to keep drifting your Ori towards ''IRE''(Positive) and protect it against ''IBI'' (Negative).

That is what I'm saying!

What is positive or negative is not the same as mine.

There cant be transformation without negative polarities against positive...you balance chaos.

donroxy: @Folykaze,
I shall reply your next posts as my battery is flat right now .....

Watch-Out

Here you speaking as person with authority and not person who wants to reason with others.

Note: I wont reply you when you continue with this bulky nonsensical post. Oro pupo o kun agbon. Soki lobe oge. Bring sense with little words and not epistle thats full of incoherent composition. Not that im against you but im on mobile phone that allow little from me.

Bring it up........im here for ya

Hey @Donroxy & Folykaze, you guys are changing the scope of this thread. A new thread would be better for your discussion.