italo:

To simplify the matter:

Are you born of God?

YES

Have you ever committed a sin since you became born of God?

NO

Any objections? @Mintayo,thanks for that apt response to the OP.

italo:

To simplify the matter:

Are you born of God?

Have you ever committed a sin since you became born of God?

dat i avnt scored an A+ in an exam doesnt mean its impossible for me or anybody else to do it. Its only because i avnt read to dat extent.
If i or (he) still at one point or the other commit the slighest sin, its because we avnt dne enof in performing our spiritual exercise....and dat doesnt mean we cnt live without sin at sme points in of life.
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For example, why is it dat all born-again including many pastors cnt heal the sick, raise the dead, cure the leper, heal the blind etc (wch is also d nature of Christ, dis nature dat include holiness)? Its nt because they arnt born again or pastors, Its simply because we'v nt performd d spiritual obligatns!
Its the same divine power that influences this miracles dat influences other areas of our lives too. Dats why i lay so much emphasis on performing SPIRITUAL OBLIGATIONS.
This obligations are just constant study of God's word, praying in the Holy Spirit, and frequent fasting (to 'kill' d flesh).
Mind u, spiritual maturity dat brings abt holines,miracles, wisdom etc, has NOTHING TO DO WITH PHYSICAL AGE!
Once again, Its a matter of 'DO I WANT TO DO THIS?' rather than "I CANT DO THIS"

I understand your predicament. That's why I said your inability to answer the simple question speaks volumes.

Truth goes straightforward; lies go roundabout. 

Mintayo:
lol,like i said,that is your problem...i know who i am,i know who i am in Christ Jesus,i know i am born of God and His seed remains in Me...i hope you are born of God too.

Truth goes straightforward; lies go roundabout.

Why the long epistle?

The questions were:

Are you born of God?

Have you ever committed a sin since you became born of God?

anochuko01:

dat i avnt scored an A+ in an exam doesnt mean its impossible for me or anybody else to do it. Its only because i avnt read to dat extent.
If i or (he) still at one point or the other commit the slighest sin, its because we avnt dne enof in performing our spiritual exercise....and dat doesnt mean we cnt live without sin at sme points in of life.
..............................................
For example, why is it dat all born-again including many pastors cnt heal the sick, raise the dead, cure the leper, heal the blind etc (wch is also d nature of Christ, dis nature dat include holiness)? Its nt because they arnt born again or pastors, Its simply because we'v nt performd d spiritual obligatns!
Its the same divine power that influences this miracles dat influences other areas of our lives too. Dats why i lay so much emphasis on performing SPIRITUAL OBLIGATIONS.
This obligations are just constant study of God's word, praying in the Holy Spirit, and frequent fasting (to 'kill' d flesh).
Mind u, spiritual maturity dat brings abt holines,miracles, wisdom etc, has NOTHING TO DO WITH PHYSICAL AGE!
Once again, Its a matter of 'DO I WANT TO DO THIS?' rather than "I CANT DO THIS"

So when Jesus taught us to pray by saying "forgive us our sins," and "pray without ceasing," he wasn't referring to impeccable souls like you abi?

He was only referring to sinners like Sts Peter, Paul, John, Matthew etc...abi?

Bidam: YES

NO

Any objections? @Mintayo,thanks for that apt response to the OP.

italo: So when Jesus taught us to pray by saying "forgive us our sins," and "pray without ceasing," he wasn't referring to impeccable souls like you abi?

He was only referring to sinners like Sts Peter, Paul, John, Matthew etc...abi?

I can now see how fake you are.
You see the reason why i didnt answer you? It didnt change anything,Bidam answered you and see what u came up with? Smh.
Like i said,whether you believe me or not,IT IS YOUR PROBLEM.

Bidam: YES

NO

Any objections? @Mintayo,thanks for that apt response to the OP.

You actually shouldnt have answered him...He needs to study the Word more and stop looking for excuses to sin.
Thanks too,God bless you.

Mintayo:
I can now see how fake you are.
You see the reason why i didnt answer you? It didnt change anything,Bidam answered you and see what u came up with? Smh.
Like i said,whether you believe me or not,IT IS YOUR PROBLEM.

Truth goes straightforward; lies go roundabout.

The questions were:

Are you born of God?

Have you ever committed a sin since you became born of God?

italo:

Truth goes straightforward; lies go roundabout.

The questions were:

Are you born of God?

Have you ever committed a sin since you became born of God?

An what did you do when Bidam answered you?
Continue in your delusion.

Even Jesus Christ was not without SIN.. being Born Again does not mean without SIN it means having the grace and growing a back-bone to resist temptation and begin living for Christ..by no means is it a badge of Righteousness as previously thought

italo: So when Jesus taught us to pray by saying "forgive us our sins," and "pray without ceasing," he wasn't referring to impeccable souls like you abi?

He was only referring to sinners like Sts Peter, Paul, John, Matthew etc...abi?

I believe scriptures don't contradict each other. You falsely accuse mintayo of going round about in circles, while you are doing same here. I don't think i have the luxury of time for CARNAL questions.

Mintayo:
An what did you do when Bidam answered you?
Continue in your delusion.

God bless you jare. I believe you know by now who italo is.

voltron: Even Jesus Christ was not without SIN.. being Born Again does not mean without SIN it means having the grace and growing a back-bone to resist temptation and begin living for Christ..by no means is it a badge of Righteousness as previously thought

I beg your pardon!

Jesus was without sin.

Bidam: I believe scriptures don't contradict each other. You falsely accuse mintayo of going round about in circles, while you are doing same here. I don't think i have the luxury of time for CARNAL questions.

I am not going roundabout. I am asking direct questions to test your claims.

Jesus taught us to pray "forgive us our sins" "without ceasing."

He was only referring to sinners, not impeccable you?

Mintayo:
An what did you do when Bidam answered you?
Continue in your delusion.

You obviously have nothing concrete to add.

You just feel compelled to talk anyway.

It makes you feel like a winner, I guess.

italo:

I am not going roundabout. I am asking direct questions to test your claims.

Jesus taught us to pray "forgive us our sins" "without ceasing."

He was only referring to sinners, not impeccable you?

What do you understand by the nature of Sin( notice the capital S it comes with in scripture) and the act of sins.

voltron: Even Jesus Christ was not without SIN.. being Born Again does not mean without SIN it means having the grace and growing a back-bone to resist temptation and begin living for Christ..by no means is it a badge of Righteousness as previously thought

lmao, my belle ooo

Bidam: What do you understand by the nature of Sin( notice the capital S it comes with in scripture) and the act of sins.

Aha! I keep saying it that lies go roundabout.

'When you pray, say..."forgive us our sins" "ceaselessly. "'--Jesus Christ.

He wasn't talking to you?

italo:

Aha! I keep saying it that lies go roundabout.

'When you pray, say..."forgive us our sins" "ceaselessly. "'--Jesus Christ.

He wasn't talking to you?

Answer my question jor

voltron: Even Jesus Christ was not without SIN.. being Born Again does not mean without SIN it means having the grace and growing a back-bone to resist temptation and begin living for Christ..by no means is it a badge of Righteousness as previously thought

Pardon?

Bidam: God bless you jare. I believe you know by now who italo is.

I am not actually surprised.

italo:

You obviously have nothing concrete to add.

You just feel compelled to talk anyway.

It makes you feel like a winner, I guess.

Well,i guess no one in this thread will have anything concrete to say until they support your invented fallacy,no?

anochuko01:
i agree with u TO AN EXTENT. But "shall we continue in sin and expect grace to abound? NO". Lets do what it takes to attain the fullnes of the nature of Christ (in holiness, wisdom, health etc). A perfect Christain life is possible, only if we cn pay the price.

IT IS BY GRACE WE ARE DECLARED PERFECT/RIGHTEOUS. ON YOUR OWN, YOU CAN NEVER BE PERFECT. REMEMBER, YOU ARE DECLARED, NOT THAT YOUR CONDUCT ALONE MADE YOU PERFECT.

italo:

I beg your pardon!

Jesus was without sin.

So how do you explain him going to hell.. only the sinners go to hell.. mind you he was the sacrificial lamb who carries the sins of the world.. and he did get angry smashing stuff at the temple did he not

Bidam: Answer my question jor

You avoided my question twice, only to ask yours. This is now the 4th time I'm asking:

Was Jesus referring to you or not?

I continue to say it...

Truth goes straightforward; lies go roundabout.

Mintayo:
Well,i guess no one in this thread will have anything concrete to say until they support your invented fallacy,no?

Still contributing nothing...

voltron:

So how do you explain him going to hell.. only the sinners go to hell.. mind you he was the sacrificial lamb who carries the sins of the world.. and he did get angry smashing stuff at the temple did he not

Jesus had no sin.

I am not ready to discuss this...not now.

italo:

You avoided my question twice, only to ask yours. This is now the 4th time I'm asking:

Was Jesus referring to you or not?

I continue to say it...

Truth goes straightforward; lies go roundabout.

It's either you re mistaken or you are a dishonest liar. Go thru our conversation. I did answer your question.And you shamelessly asked another. I am at liberty not to answer but to reply with my own question since this is not a court session ok?

JMAN05:

IT IS BY GRACE WE ARE DECLARED PERFECT/RIGHTEOUS. ON YOUR OWN, YOU CAN NEVER BE PERFECT. REMEMBER, YOU ARE DECLARED, NOT THAT YOUR CONDUCT ALONE MADE YOU PERFECT.

yeah, it is by grace that we are born again. But what happens to a born again who doesnt pray and study the bible? There are levels of grace o.....thats why everybody isnt like oyedepo, adeboye and co. U cnt spnd 10hrs everyday to pray and be on the same level of grace with others!

italo:

Jesus had no sin.

I am not ready to discuss this...not now.

imagine

Bidam: It's either you re mistaken or you are a dishonest liar. Go thru our conversation. I did answer your question.And you shamelessly asked another. I am at liberty not to answer but to reply with my own question since this is not a court session ok?

Let's just assume Jesus wasn't referring to you.

His referring to you would mean you sin all the time...

...and you have said you never sin.

italo: Truth goes straightforward; lies go roundabout.

Why the long epistle?

The questions were:

Are you born of God?

Have you ever committed a sin since you became born of God?

yeah, i'm born of God...and i'v commited a sin since then. Bt dat doesnt mean i cnt live without sin, its because i'm nt fufiling my spiritual obligatns. Its something i'v practised and it works perfectly.
However, no humble person would come out to call himself perfect even if he knws he is.