donphilopus: Is there any church called Catholic church?? Because, I only know of Roman-Catholic!

onimcee1: The term Roman Catholic is not used by the Church herself; it is a relatively modern term, and one, moreover, that is confined largely to the English language. The English-speaking bishops at the First Vatican Council in 1870, in fact, conducted a vigorous and successful campaign to insure that the term Roman Catholic was nowhere included in any of the Council's official documents about the Church herself, and the term was not included.
Similarly, nowhere in the 16 documents of the Second Vatican Council will you find the term Roman Catholic. Pope Paul VI signed all the documents of the Second Vatican Council as "I, Paul. Bishop of the Catholic Church." Simply that -- Catholic Church. There are references to the Roman curia, the Roman missal, the Roman rite, etc., but when the adjective Roman is applied to the Church herself, it refers to the Diocese of Rome

donphilopus: When you recite the "words of the Apostles creeds", you'll see something like this; either in the Anglican, the Roman-Catholic, or the Apostolic/Methodist Church! "I believe in the only Catholic church, the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting! Amen".

That is to say every non pentecostal churches still pledge allegiance to the Catholic church, because they broke from there, due to their doctrine! The main reason why the Roman-Catholic church still refers to herself as Catholic is the Cotholic doctrine they still practise! So also the non-pentecostal churches believe they originated from Catholic church, but they don't practise their doctrine anymore!

The early church was known as Catholic church, while the present one we call Catholic is Roman-Catholic.

lacum:
are u not a confused person?
simce u belive d apostles creed was formed by d apostles,what about d nicene and athanasian creed. go n read n u will c that same verse there. tell me, was nicene not a catholic council presided over by d pope?

Kamsy10: Normally I don't criticize churches, I just walk away from a church when I hear sermons that are hypocritical and certainly meant for selfish interests.
People that criticize the catholic church apparently dont know jack about the catholic church.
For me I am a catholic who once left the faith and joined other churches to see if there's a better church.Note I was a devoted worker in each church I went but after hearing and learning the stuff some of those pastors preach, MEHN, I quietly went back to the catholic faith. Catholic might have some shortcomings but it's unrivalled compared to the churches I've been to. I'm so happy I retraced my steps.

Here are some of the lies you'll hear from the pulpit:



1. Tithe/offering will take you to heaven since we live in the new testament now and God keeps no record of sins. Therefore tithe/offering is what really matters now.
(Meanwhile tithing was ONLY mentioned in the old testament)
2. If you need a job, car, child etc and you're not tithing, God will not bless you. (False)
(Haba. Even pro.sti.tutes get pregnant and have children.Many CEOs don't even go to church not to talk of tithe.Rom9:15 says 'I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy,...etc. Matt 7:7 says ask and you shall receive. Check with the richest men in the world. Again pastors have to chose which one to emphasize and which ones not to. I don't blame them sha)

3. If you tithe, you cant be sick, loose your job, get into an accident or get robbed.
(So why do they run to the bank immediately after collecting tithes and offerings to avoid robbery. And they travel oversees for medical checkups, and fly jets and move around with heavy security guards)

4. God asked me to do this, God asked me to do that . Even to the point that God asked them to divorce and marry another one.
(1cor 6:9 says no adulterer shall see the kingdom of God. God has asked you to marry and divorce 2times and heading for the third one)

5. We now live in the new testament, the old testament doesn't count anymore. so dress however you like, men perm your hair if you like to church, youths can fornicate and it doesn't count, girls can come to church naked if it makes them comfortable, just do whatever you like, since Christ has died, you don't have any problem. We now live under grace.
(ok. so why is tithe the center of the sermon everyday knowing that tithe was only mentioned in the old testament. The funny part is the same pastors will say you should not add or remove from the word of God)

6. We are the true Christians, we're emulating Christ, we're Christ-like cos we're born again.
(ok. so why is this rule not applicable to the jet flying pastors. Last time I checked, Christ didn't have a private jet and he drove those who were turning the church into a money making venture but alas our pastors will be identifying with politicians so they too can get a brown envelope. Instead of preaching to them to help create employment for the jobless youths in the church, they simply shower prayers for them and collect offering. Doesn't sound like what the Christ I know will do)

7. Christ was very rich and he wore an expensive robe that is why they cast lots on his robe to decide who should have it.
(ok. Even if the robe was expensive, so your definition of a rich man is a person who has one expensive robe. Why fabricating lies such as these against Christ just to justify the acquisition of an aircraft.

8. We need jets cos we're spreading the gospel to china,japan,america etc
(How come all your pastors in those countries are not able to run the branches for you and then report to you. I guess you're the only one called by God. Nothing is wrong with visting once in a while. Why travelling there every week or month as the case may be or are you worried about them not giving you proper account of the money they're collecting.
Also I used to think they were actually converting the indigenes of those countries, but I discovered that in most of those churches,its mostly their tribal people that actually worship there. In other words,you'll only find only Africans there. Note: I've been to a few countries,and they've bn the same so far)

9.Catholics are doing confessions, blessing holy water, burning incense, worshipping images, and giving holy communion, therefore they are hell bound.
(Why do they have counseling sessions on a particular day of the week where the member tells them about his past life and and how they want God to forgive them and they want to turn a new live and They pray for him/her. Sorry that is not confession, it is called counseling. Did I mention that they carry the stickers of their pastor and his family on their cars, pictures in their homes, offices EVEN ON THEIR BIBLES. Did I mention that they now bless and give holy communion. Confirm from redeemed and winners chapel.
Also they bless handkerchiefs and carry them around like juju or otumokpor

10. God told me to start my own church that's why I started this church
( No problem but why do you become a stumbling block when one of your pastors receives the same vision and wants to start his own. Some even go as far as cursing the person. )



My point is "the last day will be full of surprises but I pray that God will have mercy on all of us" AMEN

onimcee1: Wen I read d full text of pastor Okotie's controversial sermon, I started laughing & I just wondered why so many pple ar going haywire because of it. Haba, pple, we shld be bigger than somethings. I've decided 2 dissect his "sermon" & say somtin on dem in bits. Enjoy.
OKOTIE: "They are not Christians and have never been,"
ME: If Catholics hav neva been Christians, den Okotie is also not a Christian. History tells us dat d 1st non-Catholic Christian community is the Anglican Church which began in 1536, hence, until only about 500yrs ago, wat was known as Christianity was in fact, Catholicity. All oda churches started breaking away frm diz two afta dis tym. Whr did Okotie get his Christianity from?
OKOTIE: "They don't know Jesus. They believe that when they eat bread on Sundays, they are eating the body of Jesus. It's ritual."
ME: If Okotie is referring 2 anoda Jesus aside d historical/biblical Jesus, den he is ryt - Catholics dnt knw "Jesus". But if he is referring 2 d Jesus who walked d face of dis earth & who we read about in d Bible, den obviously, dis man who calls himself pastor has not read John 6:51-56, Mat 26:26-28. If a "man of God" is not conversant wit at least Mat 1:1 to Jn 21:26 dat deals wit d life & tyms of Jesus d Master, den I wonder wat he's doin at a pulpit.
OKOTIE: "It is only a matter of time before the Catholic church comes out to declare full service to Satan."
ME: Good enough, that has not happened in about two millenia. Why would the Catholic Church have to wait for so long to do dis? I don't tink d devil has such patience.
OKOTIE: "They do not serve the same Christ I preach about in the bible."
ME: Of course we do not serve the same Christ! Why should we serve a christ who encourages divorce? Why should we serve a christ who is comfortable seeing his "preacher man" neglect the message of d cross solely 4 dat of prosperity? Why shld we serve a christ who lies 2 & deceives his ministers? Chris Okotie has announced frequently in recent times that God has anointed him to be president of Nigeria. Alas, the prophecy hasn't come to fruition yet, as he has lost in the two presidential elections he contested in. But dis stands in sharp contrast 2 d words of Jesus in Mat 25:35. So, I say Okotie is right! Catholics do not serve his christ.
Finally, my advice 2 u all is in Col 2:4 & Mat 7:15
So I AM PROUD TO BE A CATHOLIC. Full final full stop!