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Is Quran Copied From Thebible? by Rilwayne001: 10:21am On Dec 07, 2013
No. This is not true. All evidence show that the Qur'an
could not have been copied from the Bible.

Take for example the story of the flood that occurred in
the days of the prophet Noah, on whom be peace. This
event is narrated in both the Bible and the Qur'an. A
careful examination of the two versions will show that
the Qur'anic version could have come from no other
source but God alone. One important difference
between the two accounts is that whereas the Bible
describes the flood as a worldwide flood (see Genesis
ch. 7) the Qur'an mentions it as a local flood affecting
the people of Noah (see Qur'an 7:59-64). Today it is
acknowledged that no record exists of a worldwide
flood occurring at the time specified in the Bible. How
did the author of the Qur'an avoid this mistake unless
the author was God Himself?
The closest thing in history to a flood like the one
described in the Bible and the Qur'an, is a discovery
made by Archaeologist Sir Charles Leonard Wooley. In
1929 he discovered remains from a flood which
occurred around 4000 B.C. His findings are described
in the book entitled The Bible as History by Werner
Keller. Keller tells us:

The incredible discovery at Ur made headline news in
the United States and in Britain (The Bible as History,
2nd Revised Edition, Bantam Books, 1980, p. 27).
But was this a worldwide flood? After describing the
extent of the flood, Keller explains:

Looking at the map we should call it today 'a local
occurrence' (p.28).
"In other words," writes Keller, that flood was
"obviously not of sufficient magnitude for the Biblical
Flood" (p.29). Furthermore, he says: "A flood of the
unimaginable extent described in the Bible still remains
'archaeologically not demonstrated"' (pp.29-3O).

Another comparison will again demonstrate that the
Qur'an was not copied from the Bible. In the Bible we
are told that God drowned the Pharaoh and his army
when they pursued Moses, on whom be peace, and his
people (see Exodus 14:28). The clear indication in that
description is that the body of the Pharaoh perished in
the sea. However, the Qur'an dared to differ and prove
true. In the Qur'an we find that God promised to
preserve the body of the Pharaoh as a sign for later
generations (see Qur'an 10:90-92).

True to the Qur'anic promise, the mummified body of
the Pharaoh was discovered by Loret in 1898 at Thebes
in the Kings' Valley (see The Bible, the Qur'an and
Science by Dr. Maurice Bucaille, p.238). From there it
was transported to Cairo. Elliot Smith removed its
wrappings on July 8, 1907 and gave a detailed
description in his book entitled the Royal Mummies
(1912).

From which source did the author of the Qur'an derive
this information? How did the author of the Qur'an
know that the Pharaoh's body was preserved whereas
the knowledge that the ancient Egyptians mummified
their dead was not discovered until recently? And how
could the author of the Qur'an predict that the body of
the Pharaoh will be discovered later, unless the author
was God Himself?[b]No. This is not true. All evidence show that the Qur'an
could not have been copied from the Bible.

Take for example the story of the flood that occurred in
the days of the prophet Noah, on whom be peace. This
event is narrated in both the Bible and the Qur'an. A
careful examination of the two versions will show that
the Qur'anic version could have come from no other
source but God alone. One important difference
between the two accounts is that whereas the Bible
describes the flood as a worldwide flood (see Genesis
ch. 7) the Qur'an mentions it as a local flood affecting
the people of Noah (see Qur'an 7:59-64). Today it is
acknowledged that no record exists of a worldwide
flood occurring at the time specified in the Bible. How
did the author of the Qur'an avoid this mistake unless
the author was God Himself?
The closest thing in history to a flood like the one
described in the Bible and the Qur'an, is a discovery
made by Archaeologist Sir Charles Leonard Wooley. In
1929 he discovered remains from a flood which
occurred around 4000 B.C. His findings are described
in the book entitled The Bible as History by Werner
Keller. Keller tells us:

The incredible discovery at Ur made headline news in
the United States and in Britain (The Bible as History,
2nd Revised Edition, Bantam Books, 1980, p. 27).
But was this a worldwide flood? After describing the
extent of the flood, Keller explains:

Looking at the map we should call it today 'a local
occurrence' (p.28).
"In other words," writes Keller, that flood was
"obviously not of sufficient magnitude for the Biblical
Flood" (p.29). Furthermore, he says: "A flood of the
unimaginable extent described in the Bible still remains
'archaeologically not demonstrated"' (pp.29-3O).

Another comparison will again demonstrate that the
Qur'an was not copied from the Bible. In the Bible we
are told that God drowned the Pharaoh and his army
when they pursued Moses, on whom be peace, and his
people (see Exodus 14:28). The clear indication in that
description is that the body of the Pharaoh perished in
the sea. However, the Qur'an dared to differ and prove
true. In the Qur'an we find that God promised to
preserve the body of the Pharaoh as a sign for later
generations (see Qur'an 10:90-92).

True to the Qur'anic promise, the mummified body of
the Pharaoh was discovered by Loret in 1898 at Thebes
in the Kings' Valley (see The Bible, the Qur'an and
Science by Dr. Maurice Bucaille, p.238). From there it
was transported to Cairo. Elliot Smith removed its
wrappings on July 8, 1907 and gave a detailed
description in his book entitled the Royal Mummies
(1912).

From which source did the author of the Qur'an derive
this information? How did the author of the Qur'an
know that the Pharaoh's body was preserved whereas
the knowledge that the ancient Egyptians mummified
their dead was not discovered until recently? And how
could the author of the Qur'an predict that the body of
the Pharaoh will be discovered later, unless the author
was God Himself?[/b]No. This is not true. All evidence show that the Qur'an
could not have been copied from the Bible.

Take for example the story of the flood that occurred in
the days of the prophet Noah, on whom be peace. This
event is narrated in both the Bible and the Qur'an. A
careful examination of the two versions will show that
the Qur'anic version could have come from no other
source but God alone. One important difference
between the two accounts is that whereas the Bible
describes the flood as a worldwide flood (see Genesis
ch. 7) the Qur'an mentions it as a local flood affecting
the people of Noah (see Qur'an 7:59-64). Today it is
acknowledged that no record exists of a worldwide
flood occurring at the time specified in the Bible. How
did the author of the Qur'an avoid this mistake unless
the author was God Himself?
The closest thing in history to a flood like the one
described in the Bible and the Qur'an, is a discovery
made by Archaeologist Sir Charles Leonard Wooley. In
1929 he discovered remains from a flood which
occurred around 4000 B.C. His findings are described
in the book entitled The Bible as History by Werner
Keller. Keller tells us:

The incredible discovery at Ur made headline news in
the United States and in Britain (The Bible as History,
2nd Revised Edition, Bantam Books, 1980, p. 27).
But was this a worldwide flood? After describing the
extent of the flood, Keller explains:

Looking at the map we should call it today 'a local
occurrence' (p.28).
"In other words," writes Keller, that flood was
"obviously not of sufficient magnitude for the Biblical
Flood" (p.29). Furthermore, he says: "A flood of the
unimaginable extent described in the Bible still remains
'archaeologically not demonstrated"' (pp.29-3O).

Another comparison will again demonstrate that the
Qur'an was not copied from the Bible. In the Bible we
are told that God drowned the Pharaoh and his army
when they pursued Moses, on whom be peace, and his
people (see Exodus 14:28). The clear indication in that
description is that the body of the Pharaoh perished in
the sea. However, the Qur'an dared to differ and prove
true. In the Qur'an we find that God promised to
preserve the body of the Pharaoh as a sign for later
generations (see Qur'an 10:90-92).

True to the Qur'anic promise, the mummified body of
the Pharaoh was discovered by Loret in 1898 at Thebes
in the Kings' Valley (see The Bible, the Qur'an and
Science by Dr. Maurice Bucaille, p.238). From there it
was transported to Cairo. Elliot Smith removed its
wrappings on July 8, 1907 and gave a detailed
description in his book entitled the Royal Mummies
(1912).

From which source did the author of the Qur'an derive
this information? How did the author of the Qur'an
know that the Pharaoh's body was preserved whereas
the knowledge that the ancient Egyptians mummified
their dead was not discovered until recently? And how
could the author of the Qur'an predict that the body of
the Pharaoh will be discovered later, unless the author
was God Himself?

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Re: Is Quran Copied From Thebible? by khattab02: 9:17pm On Dec 07, 2013
jazakallah Op! Weldone. I think u are having problem of spaming there? Anyway, the Qur'aan is never ever copied from the bible and that Factual!
Re: Is Quran Copied From Thebible? by Samunique(m): 5:30pm On Dec 08, 2013
Stop deceiving ur self, the fact that some of this stories (histories) had already existed b4 ur Prophet meant they were no longer revelations but copy writes.

For instance d stories of yusuf ( Joseph) Ayuba ( job) Yahayah (John the baptist) etc had already been there in d Bible, though some of this stories are told disjointedly in the Quran u need to reffer to the Bible to undrstand them. 80% of the guranic stories are from the bible, so i can u call what had already been known for centuries revelations?
Is just like somebody says he has a revelation that nigeria will qualify for th world cup when we av already qualified, is that to be called a revelation? Is that not laughable??
Pls the fact that some of these so call quranic revelations had existed mean they are not revelations. Bcs revelation/prophecy foretells d future, and tell d people what they rever knw, remember there were so many Jews and Christians in Arabia in the days of Muhammad, he was even sheltered by christians during the hijra (flight) and he must have learnt alot from christians& jewish community.
So it very clear that some parts of quran were copied frm the bible not revelations frm ur Allah.

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Re: Is Quran Copied From Thebible? by Rilwayne001: 12:25pm On Dec 10, 2013
Samunique: Stop deceiving ur self, the fact that some of this stories (histories) had already existed b4 ur Prophet meant they were no longer revelations but copy writes.

For instance d stories of yusuf ( Joseph) Ayuba ( job) Yahayah (John the baptist) etc had already been there in d Bible, though some of this stories are told disjointedly in the Quran u need to reffer to the Bible to undrstand them. 80% of the guranic stories are from the bible, so i can u call what had already been known for centuries revelations?
Is just like somebody says he has a revelation that nigeria will qualify for th world cup when we av already qualified, is that to be called a revelation? Is that not laughable??
Pls the fact that some of these so call quranic revelations had existed mean they are not revelations. Bcs revelation/prophecy foretells d future, and tell d people what they rever knw, remember there were so many Jews and Christians in Arabia in the days of Muhammad, he was even sheltered by christians during the hijra (flight) and he must have learnt alot from christians& jewish community.
So it very clear that some parts of quran were copied frm the bible not revelations frm ur Allah.

TELL ME THIS IS A LIE
Another comparison will again demonstrate that the
Qur'an was not copied from the Bible. In the Bible
we are told that God drowned the Pharaoh and his army
when they pursued Moses, on whom be peace, and
his people (see Exodus 14:28). The clear indication in
that description is that the body of the Pharaoh perished
in the sea. However, the Qur'an dared to differ and
prove true. In the Qur'an we find that God promised to
preserve the body of the Pharaoh as a sign for later
generations (see Qur'an 10:90-92).
True to the Qur'anic promise, the mummified body
of the Pharaoh was discovered by Loret in 1898 at
Thebes in the Kings' Valley (see The Bible, the Qur'an and
Science by Dr. Maurice Bucaille, p.238). From there
it was transported to Cairo. Elliot Smith removed its
wrappings on July 8, 1907 and gave a detailed
description in his book entitled the Royal Mummies
(1912). From which source did the author of the Qur'an
derivethis information? How did the author of the Qur'an
know that the Pharaoh's body was preserved
whereasthe knowledge that the ancient Egyptians mummifiedtheir dead was not discovered until recently? Andhow could the author of the Qur'an predict that the body of the Pharaoh will be discovered later, unless the
author was God Himself?

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Re: Is Quran Copied From Thebible? by Rilwayne001: 12:33pm On Dec 10, 2013
As we shall see later on, Pharaoh regarded
himself as a deity and responded with
slanders and threats to Prophet Musa's
(as) calls for him to believe in Allah. This
arrogant attitude lasted until he was faced
with the threat of death through drowning.
The Qur'an relates that Pharaoh
immediately turned to belief when faced
with Allah's punishment:
We brought the tribe of Israel across the sea,
and Pharaoh and his troops pursued them out
of tyranny and enmity. Then, when he was on
the point of drowning, he [Pharaoh] said: "I
believe that there is no god but Him in Whom
the tribe of Israel believes. I am one of the
Muslims." (10:90)
However, this last-minute conversion was
not accepted, for it was not sincere.
According to the Qur'an, Allah exclaimed:
"What, now! When previously you rebelled and
were one of the corrupters? Today we will
preserve your body so you can be a Sign for
people who come after you. Surely many
people are heedless of Our Signs." (10:91-92)
The information that Pharaoh's corpse
would serve as a sign for later generations
may be regarded as an indication that his
body would not decay. On display in the
Royal Mummies Chamber of the Egyptian
Museum in Cairo is a mummified body
believed to be that of this tyrant. In all
likelihood, Pharaoh's body floated to shore
after being drowned, was found and
mummified by the Egyptians, and then
carried to a previously prepared burial
chamber.

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Re: Is Quran Copied From Thebible? by Samunique(m): 9:45pm On Dec 14, 2013
Rilwayne001: As we shall see later on, Pharaoh regarded
himself as a deity and responded with
slanders and threats to Prophet Musa's
(as) calls for him to believe in Allah. This
arrogant attitude lasted until he was faced
with the threat of death through drowning.
The Qur'an relates that Pharaoh
immediately turned to belief when faced
with Allah's punishment:
We brought the tribe of Israel across the sea,
and Pharaoh and his troops pursued them out
of tyranny and enmity. Then, when he was on
the point of drowning, he [Pharaoh] said: "I
believe that there is no god but Him in Whom
the tribe of Israel believes. I am one of the
Muslims." (10:90)
However, this last-minute conversion was
not accepted, for it was not sincere.
According to the Qur'an, Allah exclaimed:
"What, now! When previously you rebelled and
were one of the corrupters? Today we will
preserve your body so you can be a Sign for
people who come after you. Surely many
people are heedless of Our Signs." (10:91-92)
The information that Pharaoh's corpse
would serve as a sign for later generations
may be regarded as an indication that his
body would not decay. On display in the
Royal Mummies Chamber of the Egyptian
Museum in Cairo is a mummified body
believed to be that of this tyrant. In all
likelihood, Pharaoh's body floated to shore
after being drowned, was found and
mummified by the Egyptians, and then
carried to a previously prepared burial
chamber.
Ur Allah did not preserve the body of Pharaoh, remember the bible says the Egyptians bodies were found dead by the sea shore in d morning (exo 14:30). So if there's anything like wat u said about d preservation of Pharaoh's body, it was obviously done by the Egyptians themselves to preserve (embalm) the body of their king after they may av recovered it from d sea shore.

Remember that corpse embalment started in Egypt. The corpse of Jacob was also embalmed in Egypt. Read (Gene 50:1-3.

Ur assertion that d bible says, d Egyptians perished in d sea has noting 2 do with d corpse of Pharaoh and Egyptians. Nomaly if a man is drowned his corpse could still be found, so u don't need any holy book to tell u that.
And ad 4 d body of Pharaoh that was found later as u said, i think that's isn't enough to convince us that quran was not copied frm d Bible bcs it was not d originator of the story.

Remember civilisation started in Egypt. Surely the Egyptians would not have allowed d body of their king to decay by d sea shore. They would av done everything to bring his corpse home, so they could preserve it, remember again!!! The Egyptians were d inventors of embalment ( preservation of corpses). And therefore i still maintain my stand that, " INASMUCH AS MANY OF D QURAN'S STORIES HAVE BEEN EXISTING FOR CENTURIES IN D BIBLE, THEN QURAN CAN NOT CLAIM THEIR ORIGINALITY NEITHER CAN D GOD OF QURAN CLAIM TO BE THE SOURCE. And moreover, it is the Bible (the origin ) that should PROOF d validity of quran as it has to with those stories and their Characters being d "FIRST" not the "LATTER" now trying to proof d FIRST it against d concept of sincerity and rationality.

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Re: Is Quran Copied From Thebible? by chumakk: 8:45am On Dec 15, 2013
Even a child knows that.

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Re: Is Quran Copied From Thebible? by Rilwayne001: 11:33am On Dec 15, 2013
Samunique: Ur Allah did not preserve the body of Pharaoh, remember the bible says the Egyptians bodies were found dead by the sea shore in d morning (exo 14:30). So if there's anything like wat u said about d preservation of Pharaoh's body, it was obviously done by the Egyptians themselves to preserve (embalm) the body of their king after they may av recovered it from d sea shore.

Remember that corpse embalment started in Egypt. The corpse of Jacob was also embalmed in Egypt. Read (Gene 50:1-3.

Ur assertion that d bible says, d Egyptians perished in d sea has noting 2 do with d corpse of Pharaoh and Egyptians. Nomaly if a man is drowned his corpse could still be found, so u don't need any holy book to tell u that.
And ad 4 d body of Pharaoh that was found later as u said, i think that's isn't enough to convince us that quran was not copied frm d Bible bcs it was not d originator of the story.

Remember civilisation started in Egypt. Surely the Egyptians would not have allowed d body of their king to decay by d sea shore. They would av done everything to bring his corpse home, so they could preserve it, remember again!!! The Egyptians were d inventors of embalment ( preservation of corpses). And therefore i still maintain my stand that, " INASMUCH AS MANY OF D QURAN'S STORIES HAVE BEEN EXISTING FOR CENTURIES IN D BIBLE, THEN QURAN CAN NOT CLAIM THEIR ORIGINALITY NEITHER CAN D GOD OF QURAN CLAIM TO BE THE SOURCE. And moreover, it is the Bible (the origin ) that should PROOF d validity of quran as it has to with those stories and their Characters being d "FIRST" not the "LATTER" now trying to proof d FIRST it against d concept of sincerity and rationality.

www.slideshare.net/BintAmeer/pptfiron

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Re: Is Quran Copied From Thebible? by mustang44: 3:43pm On Dec 15, 2013
Muslims please stop fooling yourselves. You cannot tell us that the story of the preservation of the body of pharou was revealed in the quoran because pharou's body was preserved before muhammad was born and invented islam and even before muhammad claimed the quran was revealed to him. You cannot call a story everybody already knows about a revelation.
Re: Is Quran Copied From Thebible? by Rilwayne001: 5:21pm On Dec 15, 2013
mustang44: Muslims please stop fooling yourselves. You cannot tell us that the story of the preservation of the body of pharou was revealed in the quoran because pharou's body was preserved before muhammad was born and invented islam and even before muhammad claimed the quran was revealed to him. You cannot call a story everybody already knows about a revelation.

So the bible claim that his body has been preserve? undecided

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Re: Is Quran Copied From Thebible? by Emusan(m): 10:55am On Dec 16, 2013
This is where you suppose tell yourself the truth by knowing that the God who inspired Moses to write Torah was different from the one who inspired Muhammad.

In sura 37:75-78 Quran was claiming two things
1. Only Noah's decendant survived the flood which negate other vreses that says other people entered the Ark with Noah.
2. Only Noah's descendant gained the earth which beg for the question what happen to rest who entered Ark with him or the other people if the flood is local?

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Re: Is Quran Copied From Thebible? by arsenalwenger: 12:59pm On Dec 17, 2013
Emusan: This is where you suppose tell yourself the truth by knowing that the God who inspired Moses to write Torah was different from the one who inspired Muhammad.

In sura 37:75-78 Quran was claiming two things
1. Only Noah's decendant survived the flood which negate other vreses that says other people entered the Ark with Noah.
2. Only Noah's descendant gained the earth which beg for the question what happen to rest who entered Ark with him or the other people if the flood is local?
Guy dont mind them, a copy-cat can never get the full details.
Re: Is Quran Copied From Thebible? by khattab02: 1:32pm On Dec 21, 2013
jazakallahu khairan Rilwayne001. There are so many points to prove the Qur'an is not copied from the bible.
Re: Is Quran Copied From Thebible? by BetaThings: 11:37pm On Dec 22, 2013
Samunique: Ur Allah did not preserve the body of Pharaoh, remember the bible says the Egyptians bodies were found dead by the sea shore in d morning (exo 14:30). So if there's anything like wat u said about d preservation of Pharaoh's body, it was obviously done by the Egyptians themselves to preserve (embalm) the body of their king after they may av recovered it from d sea shore.

Remember that corpse embalment started in Egypt. The corpse of Jacob was also embalmed in Egypt. Read (Gene 50:1-3.

Ur assertion that d bible says, d Egyptians perished in d sea has noting 2 do with d corpse of Pharaoh and Egyptians. Nomaly if a man is drowned his corpse could still be found, so u don't need any holy book to tell u that.
And ad 4 d body of Pharaoh that was found later as u said, i think that's isn't enough to convince us that quran was not copied frm d Bible bcs it was not d originator of the story.

Remember civilisation started in Egypt. Surely the Egyptians would not have allowed d body of their king to decay by d sea shore. They would av done everything to bring his corpse home, so they could preserve it, remember again!!! The Egyptians were d inventors of embalment ( preservation of corpses). And therefore i still maintain my stand that, " INASMUCH AS MANY OF D QURAN'S STORIES HAVE BEEN EXISTING FOR CENTURIES IN D BIBLE, THEN QURAN CAN NOT CLAIM THEIR ORIGINALITY NEITHER CAN D GOD OF QURAN CLAIM TO BE THE SOURCE. And moreover, it is the Bible (the origin ) that should PROOF d validity of quran as it has to with those stories and their Characters being d "FIRST" not the "LATTER" now trying to proof d FIRST it against d concept of sincerity and rationality.

The Egyptian also invented the ocean of the sea so that Prophet Musa (AS) could pass through while Pharaoh perished. Right?
Forget the Bible, it does not make so much sense. Explain the "birth" and "death" of "omnipotent God"
And yes, the insistence by "the merciful and all-forgiving God" that his "only son" must die for the "sin" of a third party

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