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Is Quran Copied From Thebible? by Rilwayne001: 10:21am On Dec 07, 2013 |
No. This is not true. All evidence show that the Qur'an could not have been copied from the Bible. Take for example the story of the flood that occurred in the days of the prophet Noah, on whom be peace. This event is narrated in both the Bible and the Qur'an. A careful examination of the two versions will show that the Qur'anic version could have come from no other source but God alone. One important difference between the two accounts is that whereas the Bible describes the flood as a worldwide flood (see Genesis ch. 7) the Qur'an mentions it as a local flood affecting the people of Noah (see Qur'an 7:59-64). Today it is acknowledged that no record exists of a worldwide flood occurring at the time specified in the Bible. How did the author of the Qur'an avoid this mistake unless the author was God Himself? The closest thing in history to a flood like the one described in the Bible and the Qur'an, is a discovery made by Archaeologist Sir Charles Leonard Wooley. In 1929 he discovered remains from a flood which occurred around 4000 B.C. His findings are described in the book entitled The Bible as History by Werner Keller. Keller tells us: The incredible discovery at Ur made headline news in the United States and in Britain (The Bible as History, 2nd Revised Edition, Bantam Books, 1980, p. 27). But was this a worldwide flood? After describing the extent of the flood, Keller explains: Looking at the map we should call it today 'a local occurrence' (p.28). "In other words," writes Keller, that flood was "obviously not of sufficient magnitude for the Biblical Flood" (p.29). Furthermore, he says: "A flood of the unimaginable extent described in the Bible still remains 'archaeologically not demonstrated"' (pp.29-3O). Another comparison will again demonstrate that the Qur'an was not copied from the Bible. In the Bible we are told that God drowned the Pharaoh and his army when they pursued Moses, on whom be peace, and his people (see Exodus 14:28). The clear indication in that description is that the body of the Pharaoh perished in the sea. However, the Qur'an dared to differ and prove true. In the Qur'an we find that God promised to preserve the body of the Pharaoh as a sign for later generations (see Qur'an 10:90-92). True to the Qur'anic promise, the mummified body of the Pharaoh was discovered by Loret in 1898 at Thebes in the Kings' Valley (see The Bible, the Qur'an and Science by Dr. Maurice Bucaille, p.238). From there it was transported to Cairo. Elliot Smith removed its wrappings on July 8, 1907 and gave a detailed description in his book entitled the Royal Mummies (1912). From which source did the author of the Qur'an derive this information? How did the author of the Qur'an know that the Pharaoh's body was preserved whereas the knowledge that the ancient Egyptians mummified their dead was not discovered until recently? And how could the author of the Qur'an predict that the body of the Pharaoh will be discovered later, unless the author was God Himself?[b]No. This is not true. All evidence show that the Qur'an could not have been copied from the Bible. Take for example the story of the flood that occurred in the days of the prophet Noah, on whom be peace. This event is narrated in both the Bible and the Qur'an. A careful examination of the two versions will show that the Qur'anic version could have come from no other source but God alone. One important difference between the two accounts is that whereas the Bible describes the flood as a worldwide flood (see Genesis ch. 7) the Qur'an mentions it as a local flood affecting the people of Noah (see Qur'an 7:59-64). Today it is acknowledged that no record exists of a worldwide flood occurring at the time specified in the Bible. How did the author of the Qur'an avoid this mistake unless the author was God Himself? The closest thing in history to a flood like the one described in the Bible and the Qur'an, is a discovery made by Archaeologist Sir Charles Leonard Wooley. In 1929 he discovered remains from a flood which occurred around 4000 B.C. His findings are described in the book entitled The Bible as History by Werner Keller. Keller tells us: The incredible discovery at Ur made headline news in the United States and in Britain (The Bible as History, 2nd Revised Edition, Bantam Books, 1980, p. 27). But was this a worldwide flood? After describing the extent of the flood, Keller explains: Looking at the map we should call it today 'a local occurrence' (p.28). "In other words," writes Keller, that flood was "obviously not of sufficient magnitude for the Biblical Flood" (p.29). Furthermore, he says: "A flood of the unimaginable extent described in the Bible still remains 'archaeologically not demonstrated"' (pp.29-3O). Another comparison will again demonstrate that the Qur'an was not copied from the Bible. In the Bible we are told that God drowned the Pharaoh and his army when they pursued Moses, on whom be peace, and his people (see Exodus 14:28). The clear indication in that description is that the body of the Pharaoh perished in the sea. However, the Qur'an dared to differ and prove true. In the Qur'an we find that God promised to preserve the body of the Pharaoh as a sign for later generations (see Qur'an 10:90-92). True to the Qur'anic promise, the mummified body of the Pharaoh was discovered by Loret in 1898 at Thebes in the Kings' Valley (see The Bible, the Qur'an and Science by Dr. Maurice Bucaille, p.238). From there it was transported to Cairo. Elliot Smith removed its wrappings on July 8, 1907 and gave a detailed description in his book entitled the Royal Mummies (1912). From which source did the author of the Qur'an derive this information? How did the author of the Qur'an know that the Pharaoh's body was preserved whereas the knowledge that the ancient Egyptians mummified their dead was not discovered until recently? And how could the author of the Qur'an predict that the body of the Pharaoh will be discovered later, unless the author was God Himself?[/b]No. This is not true. All evidence show that the Qur'an could not have been copied from the Bible. Take for example the story of the flood that occurred in the days of the prophet Noah, on whom be peace. This event is narrated in both the Bible and the Qur'an. A careful examination of the two versions will show that the Qur'anic version could have come from no other source but God alone. One important difference between the two accounts is that whereas the Bible describes the flood as a worldwide flood (see Genesis ch. 7) the Qur'an mentions it as a local flood affecting the people of Noah (see Qur'an 7:59-64). Today it is acknowledged that no record exists of a worldwide flood occurring at the time specified in the Bible. How did the author of the Qur'an avoid this mistake unless the author was God Himself? The closest thing in history to a flood like the one described in the Bible and the Qur'an, is a discovery made by Archaeologist Sir Charles Leonard Wooley. In 1929 he discovered remains from a flood which occurred around 4000 B.C. His findings are described in the book entitled The Bible as History by Werner Keller. Keller tells us: The incredible discovery at Ur made headline news in the United States and in Britain (The Bible as History, 2nd Revised Edition, Bantam Books, 1980, p. 27). But was this a worldwide flood? After describing the extent of the flood, Keller explains: Looking at the map we should call it today 'a local occurrence' (p.28). "In other words," writes Keller, that flood was "obviously not of sufficient magnitude for the Biblical Flood" (p.29). Furthermore, he says: "A flood of the unimaginable extent described in the Bible still remains 'archaeologically not demonstrated"' (pp.29-3O). Another comparison will again demonstrate that the Qur'an was not copied from the Bible. In the Bible we are told that God drowned the Pharaoh and his army when they pursued Moses, on whom be peace, and his people (see Exodus 14:28). The clear indication in that description is that the body of the Pharaoh perished in the sea. However, the Qur'an dared to differ and prove true. In the Qur'an we find that God promised to preserve the body of the Pharaoh as a sign for later generations (see Qur'an 10:90-92). True to the Qur'anic promise, the mummified body of the Pharaoh was discovered by Loret in 1898 at Thebes in the Kings' Valley (see The Bible, the Qur'an and Science by Dr. Maurice Bucaille, p.238). From there it was transported to Cairo. Elliot Smith removed its wrappings on July 8, 1907 and gave a detailed description in his book entitled the Royal Mummies (1912). From which source did the author of the Qur'an derive this information? How did the author of the Qur'an know that the Pharaoh's body was preserved whereas the knowledge that the ancient Egyptians mummified their dead was not discovered until recently? And how could the author of the Qur'an predict that the body of the Pharaoh will be discovered later, unless the author was God Himself? 2 Likes |
Re: Is Quran Copied From Thebible? by khattab02: 9:17pm On Dec 07, 2013 |
jazakallah Op! Weldone. I think u are having problem of spaming there? Anyway, the Qur'aan is never ever copied from the bible and that Factual! |
Re: Is Quran Copied From Thebible? by Samunique(m): 5:30pm On Dec 08, 2013 |
Stop deceiving ur self, the fact that some of this stories (histories) had already existed b4 ur Prophet meant they were no longer revelations but copy writes. For instance d stories of yusuf ( Joseph) Ayuba ( job) Yahayah (John the baptist) etc had already been there in d Bible, though some of this stories are told disjointedly in the Quran u need to reffer to the Bible to undrstand them. 80% of the guranic stories are from the bible, so i can u call what had already been known for centuries revelations? Is just like somebody says he has a revelation that nigeria will qualify for th world cup when we av already qualified, is that to be called a revelation? Is that not laughable?? Pls the fact that some of these so call quranic revelations had existed mean they are not revelations. Bcs revelation/prophecy foretells d future, and tell d people what they rever knw, remember there were so many Jews and Christians in Arabia in the days of Muhammad, he was even sheltered by christians during the hijra (flight) and he must have learnt alot from christians& jewish community. So it very clear that some parts of quran were copied frm the bible not revelations frm ur Allah. 2 Likes |
Re: Is Quran Copied From Thebible? by Rilwayne001: 12:25pm On Dec 10, 2013 |
Samunique: Stop deceiving ur self, the fact that some of this stories (histories) had already existed b4 ur Prophet meant they were no longer revelations but copy writes.TELL ME THIS IS A LIE Another comparison will again demonstrate that the Qur'an was not copied from the Bible. In the Bible we are told that God drowned the Pharaoh and his army when they pursued Moses, on whom be peace, and his people (see Exodus 14:28). The clear indication in that description is that the body of the Pharaoh perished in the sea. However, the Qur'an dared to differ and prove true. In the Qur'an we find that God promised to preserve the body of the Pharaoh as a sign for later generations (see Qur'an 10:90-92). True to the Qur'anic promise, the mummified body of the Pharaoh was discovered by Loret in 1898 at Thebes in the Kings' Valley (see The Bible, the Qur'an and Science by Dr. Maurice Bucaille, p.238). From there it was transported to Cairo. Elliot Smith removed its wrappings on July 8, 1907 and gave a detailed description in his book entitled the Royal Mummies (1912). From which source did the author of the Qur'an derivethis information? How did the author of the Qur'an know that the Pharaoh's body was preserved whereasthe knowledge that the ancient Egyptians mummifiedtheir dead was not discovered until recently? Andhow could the author of the Qur'an predict that the body of the Pharaoh will be discovered later, unless the author was God Himself? 2 Likes |
Re: Is Quran Copied From Thebible? by Rilwayne001: 12:33pm On Dec 10, 2013 |
As we shall see later on, Pharaoh regarded himself as a deity and responded with slanders and threats to Prophet Musa's (as) calls for him to believe in Allah. This arrogant attitude lasted until he was faced with the threat of death through drowning. The Qur'an relates that Pharaoh immediately turned to belief when faced with Allah's punishment: We brought the tribe of Israel across the sea, and Pharaoh and his troops pursued them out of tyranny and enmity. Then, when he was on the point of drowning, he [Pharaoh] said: "I believe that there is no god but Him in Whom the tribe of Israel believes. I am one of the Muslims." (10:90) However, this last-minute conversion was not accepted, for it was not sincere. According to the Qur'an, Allah exclaimed: "What, now! When previously you rebelled and were one of the corrupters? Today we will preserve your body so you can be a Sign for people who come after you. Surely many people are heedless of Our Signs." (10:91-92) The information that Pharaoh's corpse would serve as a sign for later generations may be regarded as an indication that his body would not decay. On display in the Royal Mummies Chamber of the Egyptian Museum in Cairo is a mummified body believed to be that of this tyrant. In all likelihood, Pharaoh's body floated to shore after being drowned, was found and mummified by the Egyptians, and then carried to a previously prepared burial chamber. 2 Likes |
Re: Is Quran Copied From Thebible? by Samunique(m): 9:45pm On Dec 14, 2013 |
Rilwayne001: As we shall see later on, Pharaoh regardedUr Allah did not preserve the body of Pharaoh, remember the bible says the Egyptians bodies were found dead by the sea shore in d morning (exo 14:30). So if there's anything like wat u said about d preservation of Pharaoh's body, it was obviously done by the Egyptians themselves to preserve (embalm) the body of their king after they may av recovered it from d sea shore. Remember that corpse embalment started in Egypt. The corpse of Jacob was also embalmed in Egypt. Read (Gene 50:1-3. Ur assertion that d bible says, d Egyptians perished in d sea has noting 2 do with d corpse of Pharaoh and Egyptians. Nomaly if a man is drowned his corpse could still be found, so u don't need any holy book to tell u that. And ad 4 d body of Pharaoh that was found later as u said, i think that's isn't enough to convince us that quran was not copied frm d Bible bcs it was not d originator of the story. Remember civilisation started in Egypt. Surely the Egyptians would not have allowed d body of their king to decay by d sea shore. They would av done everything to bring his corpse home, so they could preserve it, remember again!!! The Egyptians were d inventors of embalment ( preservation of corpses). And therefore i still maintain my stand that, " INASMUCH AS MANY OF D QURAN'S STORIES HAVE BEEN EXISTING FOR CENTURIES IN D BIBLE, THEN QURAN CAN NOT CLAIM THEIR ORIGINALITY NEITHER CAN D GOD OF QURAN CLAIM TO BE THE SOURCE. And moreover, it is the Bible (the origin ) that should PROOF d validity of quran as it has to with those stories and their Characters being d "FIRST" not the "LATTER" now trying to proof d FIRST it against d concept of sincerity and rationality. 3 Likes |
Re: Is Quran Copied From Thebible? by chumakk: 8:45am On Dec 15, 2013 |
Even a child knows that. 1 Like |
Re: Is Quran Copied From Thebible? by Rilwayne001: 11:33am On Dec 15, 2013 |
Samunique: Ur Allah did not preserve the body of Pharaoh, remember the bible says the Egyptians bodies were found dead by the sea shore in d morning (exo 14:30). So if there's anything like wat u said about d preservation of Pharaoh's body, it was obviously done by the Egyptians themselves to preserve (embalm) the body of their king after they may av recovered it from d sea shore. www.slideshare.net/BintAmeer/pptfiron 1 Like |
Re: Is Quran Copied From Thebible? by mustang44: 3:43pm On Dec 15, 2013 |
Muslims please stop fooling yourselves. You cannot tell us that the story of the preservation of the body of pharou was revealed in the quoran because pharou's body was preserved before muhammad was born and invented islam and even before muhammad claimed the quran was revealed to him. You cannot call a story everybody already knows about a revelation. |
Re: Is Quran Copied From Thebible? by Rilwayne001: 5:21pm On Dec 15, 2013 |
mustang44: Muslims please stop fooling yourselves. You cannot tell us that the story of the preservation of the body of pharou was revealed in the quoran because pharou's body was preserved before muhammad was born and invented islam and even before muhammad claimed the quran was revealed to him. You cannot call a story everybody already knows about a revelation. So the bible claim that his body has been preserve? 1 Like |
Re: Is Quran Copied From Thebible? by Emusan(m): 10:55am On Dec 16, 2013 |
This is where you suppose tell yourself the truth by knowing that the God who inspired Moses to write Torah was different from the one who inspired Muhammad. In sura 37:75-78 Quran was claiming two things 1. Only Noah's decendant survived the flood which negate other vreses that says other people entered the Ark with Noah. 2. Only Noah's descendant gained the earth which beg for the question what happen to rest who entered Ark with him or the other people if the flood is local? 2 Likes |
Re: Is Quran Copied From Thebible? by arsenalwenger: 12:59pm On Dec 17, 2013 |
Emusan: This is where you suppose tell yourself the truth by knowing that the God who inspired Moses to write Torah was different from the one who inspired Muhammad.Guy dont mind them, a copy-cat can never get the full details. |
Re: Is Quran Copied From Thebible? by khattab02: 1:32pm On Dec 21, 2013 |
jazakallahu khairan Rilwayne001. There are so many points to prove the Qur'an is not copied from the bible. |
Re: Is Quran Copied From Thebible? by BetaThings: 11:37pm On Dec 22, 2013 |
Samunique: Ur Allah did not preserve the body of Pharaoh, remember the bible says the Egyptians bodies were found dead by the sea shore in d morning (exo 14:30). So if there's anything like wat u said about d preservation of Pharaoh's body, it was obviously done by the Egyptians themselves to preserve (embalm) the body of their king after they may av recovered it from d sea shore. The Egyptian also invented the ocean of the sea so that Prophet Musa (AS) could pass through while Pharaoh perished. Right? Forget the Bible, it does not make so much sense. Explain the "birth" and "death" of "omnipotent God" And yes, the insistence by "the merciful and all-forgiving God" that his "only son" must die for the "sin" of a third party |
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