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I Don't Need Math by Javanian: 5:46pm On Dec 23, 2013
Pictures say a thousand words though not many would get but the few that do would smile.

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Re: I Don't Need Math by nollyj: 8:43pm On Dec 23, 2013
I wish it is true. Even coordinates and object positions in the game world are maths

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Re: I Don't Need Math by dsypha(m): 11:10pm On Dec 23, 2013
Hehehe. The Irony.

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Re: I Don't Need Math by Nobody: 11:54pm On Dec 25, 2013

I used to think like this back in JS3. Lol. But seriously is there anything in CS that doesn't require maths? I wanna major in cryptography and the kind of maths I'm seeing no be beans at all. Advice, anyone?

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Re: I Don't Need Math by Seun(m): 11:57pm On Dec 25, 2013
I refused to hire back a decent programmer after a vacation because he refused to solve a Maths problem. I think Maths is very important.

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Re: I Don't Need Math by Nobody: 12:06am On Dec 26, 2013
Seun: I refused to hire back a decent programmer after a vacation because he refused to solve a Maths problem. I think Maths is very important.
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I no blame the guy sha. Me, I can't do a math problem in public, not because I don't know it, but because I've had really terrible experiences with almost every math teacher in my life (one of whom was my dad). I don't fear maths, I fear failing it and getting flogged. I know that can't happen now, but still...

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Re: I Don't Need Math by Javanian: 12:07am On Dec 26, 2013
Anyone thinking maths is important, obviously hasn't tried to build a 3D game or worked with a graphics library and has probably been building CRUD apps all his life. I am very happy i started Game Development early because i was about towing the line of thinking it was all about code. So now i really take maths seriously at school.

SimonAndal:
I used to think like this back in JS3. Lol. But seriously is there anything in CS that doesn't require maths? I wanna major in cryptography and the kind of maths I'm seeing no be beans at all. Advice, anyone?

What kind of maths? In Games it is Vectors, Matrix, Quaternions, Euler angles, interpolation, calculus etc and a whole lot of Physics especially in mechanics.
Re: I Don't Need Math by saintneo(m): 12:36am On Dec 26, 2013
good to know.

Maths is lovely. Learn maths first and every other thing follows.
Re: I Don't Need Math by Nobody: 12:38am On Dec 26, 2013
Javanian:
What kind of maths? In Games it is Vectors, Matrix, Quaternions, Euler angles, interpolation, calculus etc and a whole lot of Physics especially in mechanics.
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Let's just say they scare me and leave it at that. Satoshi is a genius-wizard!!! Nay, Satoshi is a God!
Re: I Don't Need Math by nuttyhnic(m): 11:51am On Dec 26, 2013
Seun: I refused to hire back a decent programmer after a vacation because he refused to solve a Maths problem. I think Maths is very important.

After all your hiring, no quotes counter on your website.
Re: I Don't Need Math by Seun(m): 5:58pm On Dec 26, 2013
nutty_hnic: After all your hiring, no quotes counter on your website.
Well, we have many other things that are far more important, and we will also get that feature at the right time, if it's worth it.

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Re: I Don't Need Math by Dhelake: 6:11pm On Dec 26, 2013
nutty_hnic:

After all your highering, no quotes counter on your website.
Bros na 'Hiring ' not 'Highering'... Mr Sabi pass

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Re: I Don't Need Math by freda506(f): 7:17pm On Dec 26, 2013
Dhelake: Bros na 'Hiring ' not 'Highering'... Mr Sabi pass
grin

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Re: I Don't Need Math by olupentane(m): 8:28pm On Dec 26, 2013
used to hate maths, buy I'm beginning to love it, only the abstract ( algebra, real analysis) mathematics still scares me.
Re: I Don't Need Math by nuttyhnic(m): 10:03pm On Dec 26, 2013
Seun: Well, we have many other things that are far more important, and we will also get that feature at the right time, if it's worth it.

We ought to know when we are quoted, it drives the conversation.
As such we can go back to older threads, cos there are tonnes of them that we get quoted and we dont get to see them
Re: I Don't Need Math by Nobody: 10:19pm On Dec 26, 2013
SimonAndal:
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I no blame the guy sha. Me, I can't do a math problem in public, not because I don't know it, but because I've had really terrible experiences with almost every math teacher in my life (one of whom was my dad). I don't fear maths, I fear failing it and getting flogged. I know that can't happen now, but still...

I know I've seen this same exact post somewhere...today.

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Re: I Don't Need Math by Nobody: 11:12pm On Dec 26, 2013
masonkz:

I know I've seen this same exact post somewhere...today.
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Seriously? Somebody stole my life story? Lol!

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Re: I Don't Need Math by Nobody: 12:03am On Dec 27, 2013
SimonAndal:
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Seriously? Somebody stole my life story? Lol!

by you!!! tongue

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Re: I Don't Need Math by Ajibel(m): 8:06pm On Dec 30, 2013
nutty_hnic:

We ought to know when we are quoted, it drives the conversation.
As such we can go back to older threads, cos there are tonnes of them that we get quoted and we dont get to see them

use the local search to know when u're quoted. that 'll suffice for nau

as per d topic: cs foundation is deep-rooted in maths. i'd encourage anyone not to run-away from maths even IF he's just a UI designer..!!
Re: I Don't Need Math by Dhelake: 3:09pm On Dec 31, 2013
nutty_hnic:

We ought to know when we are quoted, it drives the conversation.
As such we can go back to older threads, cos there are tonnes of them that we get quoted and we dont get to see them
Yeah.. I buy your argument
Re: I Don't Need Math by Dhelake: 3:09pm On Dec 31, 2013
nutty_hnic:

We ought to know when we are quoted, it drives the conversation.
As such we can go back to older threads, cos there are tonnes of them that we get quoted and we dont get to see them
Yeah.. Its really needed
Re: I Don't Need Math by uzoexcel(m): 5:05pm On Jul 18, 2014
seun, this should be on the ffront page from time to time
Re: I Don't Need Math by Ajibel(m): 5:11pm On Jul 18, 2014
^^ That we need maths?

From time_to_time, na reminder

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Re: I Don't Need Math by guru01(m): 3:28pm On Jul 19, 2014
It's not Maths it is mathematics, if you can not get your 2*2 right then it's not bad repeating primary 1
Re: I Don't Need Math by asalimpo(m): 7:57pm On Jul 19, 2014
Most developers dont need higher maths.
How much math do web devs, need?
How much math do 99.9% of business software need?
To create a web server,erp system, web browser, accountg,legal,cybercafe ,school ,supermarket,text editor etc software how much math dyu need?
To write nairaland how much math is needed?
How much math is needed for compilers and parsers? Many hav been written without maths just plain old common sense and arithmetcs(primary/high school math).

It is all relatve.
For d most case math-heavy software is developed by major software corporation to make application developers use even less math for their work e.g
compilers, mathlab,maple (for math),autocad (CAD) software, game egines (Unity,Unreal), windowg systems, (Os dependent), sorting (as libraries in language).

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Re: I Don't Need Math by tundebabzy: 10:35pm On Jul 22, 2014
asalimpo: Most developers dont need higher maths.
How much math do web devs, need?
How much math do 99.9% of business software need?
To create a web server,erp system, web browser, accountg,legal,cybercafe ,school ,supermarket,text editor etc software how much math dyu need?
To write nairaland how much math is needed?
How much math is needed for compilers and parsers? Many hav been written without maths just plain old common sense and arithmetcs(primary/high school math).

It is all relatve.
For d most case math-heavy software is developed by major software corporation to make application developers use even less math for their work e.g
compilers, mathlab,maple (for math),autocad (CAD) software, game egines (Unity,Unreal), windowg systems, (Os dependent), sorting (as libraries in language).
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Re: I Don't Need Math by Javanian: 2:08am On Jul 25, 2014
asalimpo: Most developers dont need higher maths.
How much math do web devs, need?
How much math do 99.9% of business software need?
To create a web server,erp system, web browser, accountg,legal,cybercafe ,school ,supermarket,text editor etc software how much math dyu need?
To write nairaland how much math is needed?
How much math is needed for compilers and parsers? Many hav been written without maths just plain old common sense and arithmetcs(primary/high school math).

It is all relatve.
For d most case math-heavy software is developed by major software corporation to make application developers use even less math for their work e.g
compilers, mathlab,maple (for math),autocad (CAD) software, game egines (Unity,Unreal), windowg systems, (Os dependent), sorting (as libraries in language).

@emboldened By Programmers who are mere mortals.

Okay, let me put it this way, Mathematics is VERY important to Computer scientist (which is actually a branch of Applied Mathematics). As you rightly said, it is all relative. If you are developing a business application (web, mobile, enterprise or desktop) you might not be using a lot of maths, common OR/AND/NOT/IF/ELSE logic might do but when it comes to Operation Research, Formal Languages and Automata theory, Network and Graph theory, Simulation and Probability Models in OR... and so on which are all aspects of computer science the application of various Mathematics concepts cannot be overemphasized.

EDIT: Just saw where you mentioned game engines, lol, you should try and take a look at one them, you might better understand what i am saying...
Re: I Don't Need Math by asalimpo(m): 2:54pm On Jul 25, 2014
Javanian:

@emboldened By Programmers who are mere mortals.

Okay, let me put it this way, Mathematics is VERY important to Computer scientist (which is actually a branch of Applied Mathematics). As you rightly said, it is all relative. If you are developing a business application (web, mobile, enterprise or desktop) you might not be using a lot of maths, common OR/AND/NOT/IF/ELSE logic might do but when it comes to Operation Research, Formal Languages and Automata theory, Network and Graph theory, Simulation and Probability Models in OR... and so on which are all aspects of computer science the application of various Mathematics concepts cannot be overemphasized.

EDIT: Just saw where you mentioned game engines, lol, you should try and take a look at one them, you might better understand what i am saying...


which is exactly wat i'm sayg.
More and more software is written to abstract more and more of d complexity away from from d average developer so tht the everyday dev, is more or less a component assembler.
This backbone/foundation software is where all the hard math is. Except ur writg domain specifc software and dnt know how to google for plugins ,framewrks,or hate readg source codes api's the heavy math has been taken care of-most of d time.

Average software dnt need math no more. Business software needs zero math. Just common sense aka logc.

you wanna store data - there are free sql and no-sql databases out there. With corporations hiring armies of born-to-code humanoids to wrk on them.
You want write ur own? Feel free but it will not b as feature rich and will take a slice of ya life to do so.

Operatg systems? Fogetaboudit
compilers?
Audiocodecs ?
Symbolic manipulators? - matlab, mathematica, octave,maple,etc abound

math is useful and good to know but if ur wrk dnt require it,you may just b filling ur garage with byutfl junk?
Tht microfinance bankg software , supermarket software,school manager, web page scraper, dont care for calculus , discrete math or such.
So y wud a smart dev waste his time learng stuff he'll never use more thn twce in a 30 year+ career?
The smart dev shud b adept at learng new material on a need-to-use basis. Instead of fill his head with high soundg,but useless (to his career/job) concepts.
Re: I Don't Need Math by Javanian: 4:49pm On Jul 25, 2014
asalimpo:

which is exactly wat i'm sayg.
More and more software is written to abstract more and more of d complexity away from from d average developer so tht the everyday dev, is more or less a component assembler.
This backbone/foundation software is where all the hard math is. Except ur writg domain specifc software and dnt know how to google for plugins ,framewrks,or hate readg source codes api's the heavy math has been taken care of-most of d time.

Average software dnt need math no more. Business software needs zero math. Just common sense aka logc.

you wanna store data - there are free sql and no-sql databases out there. With corporations hiring armies of born-to-code humanoids to wrk on them.
You want write ur own? Feel free but it will not b as feature rich and will take a slice of ya life to do so.

Operatg systems? Fogetaboudit
compilers?
Audiocodecs ?
Symbolic manipulators? - matlab, mathematica, octave,maple,etc abound

math is useful and good to know but if ur wrk dnt require it,you may just b filling ur garage with byutfl junk?
Tht microfinance bankg software , supermarket software,school manager, web page scraper, dont care for calculus , discrete math or such.
So y wud a smart dev waste his time learng stuff he'll never use more thn twce in a 30 year+ career?
The smart dev shud b adept at learng new material on a need-to-use basis. Instead of fill his head with high soundg,but useless (to his career/job) concepts.

Apparently, going on with this argument is like taking a journey to a bottomless pit, we would go on and on with no result because we are talking from two entirely different standpoints. You, a developer who believes writing 'backbone/foundation' softwares where 'all the hard maths' is done isn't for mere mortals. You are okay creating 'Average software' that don't need maths, comfortable googling, downloading and using 'frameworks and plugins' created by 'born-to-code' humanoids. grin grin and me talking from the standpoint of a computer science major where we are taught to create 'backbone/foundation' softwares where application of certain aspects of maths are inevitable. How can i understand/implement Network and Graph theory without understanding discrete mathematics and numerical analysis? So you are free to stay in your comfort zone and use whatever works for you cool

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Re: I Don't Need Math by uzoexcel(m): 4:58pm On Jul 25, 2014
matlab dey killll me 4 here sad sad sad sad

asalimpo:

which is exactly wat i'm sayg.
More and more software is written to abstract more and more of d complexity away from from d average developer so tht the everyday dev, is more or less a component assembler.
This backbone/foundation software is where all the hard math is. Except ur writg domain specifc software and dnt know how to google for plugins ,framewrks,or hate readg source codes api's the heavy math has been taken care of-most of d time.

Average software dnt need math no more. Business software needs zero math. Just common sense aka logc.

you wanna store data - there are free sql and no-sql databases out there. With corporations hiring armies of born-to-code humanoids to wrk on them.
You want write ur own? Feel free but it will not b as feature rich and will take a slice of ya life to do so.

Operatg systems? Fogetaboudit
compilers?
Audiocodecs ?
Symbolic manipulators? - matlab, mathematica, octave,maple,etc abound

math is useful and good to know but if ur wrk dnt require it,you may just b filling ur garage with byutfl junk?
Tht microfinance bankg software , supermarket software,school manager, web page scraper, dont care for calculus , discrete math or such.
So y wud a smart dev waste his time learng stuff he'll never use more thn twce in a 30 year+ career?
The smart dev shud b adept at learng new material on a need-to-use basis. Instead of fill his head with high soundg,but useless (to his career/job) concepts.

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