If the topic of sin is removed from the themes of Christianity, Christianity is bound to collapse like a deflated airbag. The remainder themes especially salvation will lose meaning. It is with sin man is in trouble with God and the divine forces.

What is sin? Sin is the transgression of divine law. Without the law, there is no sin and likewise no need to worry about salvation. Sin is so central to Christianity, because of man"s frail moral nature, man is unable to live up to the expectations of this high standards, thus collapses over and over again into transgression of the law (divine law).

Jesus makes a celebrated entry into the scene, promising grace to wipe off the sins of man from time to time. Yet man still sins, it is still beyond man's power to be morally perfect. And the little merrygoround continues till this day.

But one must ask, why is there law? For whom's benefit? God's or man's? Laws are crafted to protect, and definitely God does not need such protection. He is said to have lived infinitely and has lived without the law infinitely.. God is almighty and is even the source of the law. Hence the law is not for God but for man.

A look at the 10 Commandments for example, reveals benefits to society and man. "Thou shall not kill" "thou shall not steal" are self explanatory. All Mosaic laws on cleanliness, local government, etc; have human interest at the centre.

With the above in mind and considering that humans have not been horrible legislators. Our laws even overlap into these divine laws and leave them behind in a distance. Modern laws have adapted better to our times and more effective than the divine laws which are not interpreted as living documents with man's welfare at heart.

In all, Christianity shows self defeat by preaching a salvation from the laws designed to protect and preserve man. In turn condemns their God. Also questions arise as to the measure of punishment such as hell.

Kay 17: In all, Christianity shows self defeat by preaching a salvation from the laws designed to protect and preserve man. In turn condemns their God. Also questions arise as to the measure of punishment such as hell.

I can see that you never grasp what actually went wrong between Man and God and the purpose of Christ on earth.

Let me shield more light on it. Sin as you put it not the full fact about.

1) Mosiac laws are a guide for the land of Isreal only and the shadow of grace that should come which is Christ Jesus.

2) What is sin?
Sin is an acronyms of "Satan Influence over Nature" inwhich man was included.
Satan first rebellion is to be like God and raised his own throne above God's own (which means Satan wants his own rulership) and in the same notion satan also spread this unto Adam and Eve.
When Adam & Eve hearken unto Satan's voice God knows that great seperation has come between Him and man become Man wants to have his own rulership without Him. Remember, immediately satan influences the nature God has already deteemined His end by condemned satan into evalasting destruction and the end of all things as a result of satan's influence.

3) The purpose of Christ Jesus on earth.
Through Satan influence over nature DEATH (both physical and spiritual) came upon man. The first victory of Christ is to purchase eternal life for all men by destroying the DEATH that SIN brought. How? because when the actual time in which God has chosen to put Satan into everlasting destruction and nature itself comes those who have exercised faith in Christ (that has Christ was raised from dead they will also be raised from dead) and safe guard their souls through the help of the Holyspirit will be preserved in Christ house that was not built with humans hand nor any materials of this nature. This is what it means to have salvation through Christ.

The Mosaic laws as is a guide for the children of Isreal to live before the grace (Christ) was revealed which in Christ appearance was summarized into two for the whole world to follow.
1) Love thy God with all your heart, soul & body...why loving God? because by loving God you will always remember that the judgement of God is coming one day which should continually putting you in thinking, devot and giving your service to God.
2) Love thy neighbour as thyself....why this? because by doing so, taking lives of others, false accusation against anybody, acquire unnecesaary wealth/wealth in a wrong way e.t.c will not happen.
In total obedient or fulfilling of these two laws Christ has sent/given us Holyspirit to usher our step day by day in order not to keep fighting in fulfilling these two laws.

Finally, the Mosaic laws which were totally concealled in just two laws are ingredients to fully upholding ourself in the process of exercising our faith in Christ. Because if God wants you to live peacefully with all men and you keep fighting/ battling with these laws physically it can prevent you to focus on the faith you need most. That's why Christ has to abolished the physical battle with mosaic laws and establishend just two so that it will be very easy for us to practice with the help of the Holyspirit.

So as many that are still living under Satan Influence over Nature (SIN) will surely follow Satan to the place of eternal destruction. Everlasting fire was not made for man but satan and any one who still lives & died under sin.

Do you want to escape this destruction through the purpose of Christ or be part of it by still living under sin? The choice is yours!




Shalom!

I'd show you how your acronym for sin is faulty.

1. If a man followed Satan to give the poor alms, would that be a sin?

2. What delineates good from bad?

Kay 17: I'd show you how your acronym for sin is faulty.

So how did you show this?

1. If a man followed Satan to give the poor alms, would that be a sin?

What do you mean by "followed Satan"?

2. What delineates good from bad?

That thing which is right in the sight of God.

I got this from another forum. . .

Sin is the glue that holds christianity together. It is the common denominator that makes for obedient denominations. It is the fear factor that is used to control and uninform the masses. It is the hole card. It is the cat's pajamas. And Christians love it. They wouldn't have it any other way. Christianity without sin would just be no fun at all.
Christianity wouldn't be able to exist as invented without sin. It had to be introduced early in the story, after implying that perfection would have been possible if only our lady friend hadn't acted so impulsively. Perfection was around just long enough to be alluded to. The lack of details was purposeful. Since it is a bit too hard to go into perfection in any detail. It can't exist. And the fathers of the church had to allow for that. The bad had to be kept in the forefront, for all humans and all situations. There is no reality that can't be defined as sinful by someone. Had any more detail been provided about Eden, people would have seen that it wasn't so great either. Humans can only hint at perfection. The church fathers played that one to the hilt.

The job of sin was (and is) to justify the religion. Viable alternatives would ruin the whole thing.

When you can have one thing, sin, that can both hold your group together and justify denouncing others, you don't even have to run around inventing a second concept. Its a one size fits all idea that can be conveniently corrupted as necessary, and also be defined as something personally humbling, if that is all you need. It excuses frightening kids and works really good as a hammer to hold over anyone else who dares cross your path.

In other words, technically speaking, it has been made to be more universal than the universe itself.

mazaje: I got this from another forum. . .

Sin is the glue that holds christianity together. It is the common denominator that makes for obedient denominations. It is the fear factor that is used to control and uninform the masses. It is the hole card. It is the cat's pajamas. And Christians love it. They wouldn't have it any other way. Christianity without sin would just be no fun at all.
Christianity wouldn't be able to exist as invented without sin. It had to be introduced early in the story, after implying that perfection would have been possible if only our lady friend hadn't acted so impulsively. Perfection was around just long enough to be alluded to. The lack of details was purposeful. Since it is a bit too hard to go into perfection in any detail. It can't exist. And the fathers of the church had to allow for that. The bad had to be kept in the forefront, for all humans and all situations. There is no reality that can't be defined as sinful by someone. Had any more detail been provided about Eden, people would have seen that it wasn't so great either. Humans can only hint at perfection. The church fathers played that one to the hilt.

The job of sin was (and is) to justify the religion. Viable alternatives would ruin the whole thing.

When you can have one thing, sin, that can both hold your group together and justify denouncing others, you don't even have to run around inventing a second concept. Its a one size fits all idea that can be conveniently corrupted as necessary, and also be defined as something personally humbling, if that is all you need. It excuses frightening kids and works really good as a hammer to hold over anyone else who dares cross your path.

In other words, technically speaking, it has been made to be more universal than the universe itself.

Can you name some viable alternatives please? Just curious

texanomaly:

Can you name some viable alternatives please? Just curious

The idea of sin is used to justify the religion and all the sadistic ideas it preaches like hell etc. . .An alternative will be that god doesn't punish sin for all enternity. . .He just ends the lives of sinners. . .

mazaje:

The idea of sin is used to justify the religion and all the sadistic ideas it preaches like hell etc. . .An alternative will be that god doesn't punish sin for all enternity. . .He just ends the lives of sinners. . .

Wow...Ok, So who decides what sin is then? Who decides who dies and who doesn't? God? Where do we get our guidelines? How do we know when we are sinning? Who is this God in your version?

texanomaly:
Wow...Ok, So who decides what sin is then? Who decides who dies and who doesn't? God? Where do we get our guidelines? How do we know when we are sinning? Who is this God in your version?

I do not believe in the concept of sin. . The people that invented christianity and judiasm also invented the idea of sin. . .There is no god in my version. . .Man is god in my version becaue man created the god idea. . .

There is no sin? No. Sin is very basic and universal. Wrongdoing. There must be an absolute for us to rely on. History has shown that even the laws made up by a society can deviate from norm and bring trouble upon others. There is a divine law. Sin is the transgression of the law. Man is god? Then each man can treat himself as the moral standard irrespective of anyother. Chaos will reign.

There is an absolute moral law that tells us what is objectively wrong, written in our consciences. There is a lawgiver. We must reconcile all laws to this divine law; we must determine right and wrong by this divine law. Or we will end up in chaos in society. Lawless and immoral.



So no amount of denial will hide wrong-doing. We all know of wrongdoing. We all have done wrong.

Kay 17: If the topic of sin is removed from the themes of Christianity, Christianity is bound to collapse like a deflated airbag.

The above is not abreast with the times...I know a number of folks (even here on nairaland) who believe that they cannot sin as Christians. We can say that, in a sense, they have systematically 'removed' the topic of sin as it relates to them but still maintain that they are Christians.

Kay 17:
The remainder themes especially salvation will lose meaning.

That's incorrect!

Salvation in the context of Christ' coming has to do with the restoration of what we lost through our first parents. That obviously cAannot lose its meaning or relevance.

Kay 17:
It is with sin man is in trouble with God and the divine forces.

Not sure what you mean here.

Kay 17:
What is sin? Sin is the transgression of divine law. Without the law, there is no sin and likewise no need to worry about salvation. Sin is so central to Christianity, because of man"s frail moral nature, man is unable to live up to the expectations of this high standards, thus collapses over and over again into transgression of the law (divine law).

Jesus makes a celebrated entry into the scene, promising grace to wipe off the sins of man from time to time. Yet man still sins, it is still beyond man's power to be morally perfect. And the little merrygoround continues till this day.

But one must ask, why is there law? For whom's benefit? God's or man's? Laws are crafted to protect, and definitely God does not need such protection. He is said to have lived infinitely and has lived without the law infinitely.. God is almighty and is even the source of the law. Hence the law is not for God but for man.

A look at the 10 Commandments for example, reveals benefits to society and man. "Thou shall not kill" "thou shall not steal" are self explanatory. All Mosaic laws on cleanliness, local government, etc; have human interest at the centre.

With the above in mind and considering that humans have not been horrible legislators. Our laws even overlap into these divine laws and leave them behind in a distance. Modern laws have adapted better to our times and more effective than the divine laws which are not interpreted as living documents with man's welfare at heart.

I agree for the most part but though man cannot attain perfection through his own strength, with God man can become perfect even while in the flesh.

Kay 17:
In all, Christianity shows self defeat by preaching a salvation from the laws designed to protect and preserve man. In turn condemns their God. Also questions arise as to the measure of punishment such as hell.

It depends on your understanding. Freedom from the law does not mean an absence of the law.

Wat is sin?
Sin is transgression against the laws
Wat are the laws?
The laws of your traditions- in fact the laws are your traditions, your tribal traditions


You ever wonder why the so called mosaic laws are traditional guidelines to the Jews? It's their tradition nothing more nothing less
For a non-jew to apply those laws in his life, that person must be a Foolish slave

Go to your village and learn your laws so you can be saved from sin, Not some stupid Bible laws that your ancestors never knew about

Joshthefirst: There is no sin? No. Sin is very basic and universal. Wrongdoing. There must be an absolute for us to rely on. History has shown that even the laws made up by a society can deviate from norm and bring trouble upon others. There is a divine law. Sin is the transgression of the law. Man is god? Then each man can treat himself as the moral standard irrespective of anyother. Chaos will reign.

There is an absolute moral law that tells us what is objectively wrong, written in our consciences. There is a lawgiver. We must reconcile all laws to this divine law; we must determine right and wrong by this divine law. Or we will end up in chaos in society. Lawless and immoral.



So no amount of denial will hide wrong-doing. We all know of wrongdoing. We all have done wrong.

Acknowledged, however the law rather than benefit/protect man, it rather enslaves and condemns man, therefore Christianity sees the need for salvation from the law. Same as requiring protection from your parents who ought to be your protectors. It is an irony.

Kay 17:

Acknowledged, however the law rather than benefit/protect man, it rather enslaves and condemns man, therefore Christianity sees the need for salvation from the law. Same as requiring protection from your parents who ought to be your protectors. It is an irony.

the law by itself is a huge benefit. The bible acknowledges that. Man by nature cannot keep Gods law. The law was given as a schoolmaster, to guide us to grace. So its a potent weapon of showing a man he is indeed sinful and guilty, of showing a man his imperfections, to guide him and take him to his saviour, the perfector. This is a bedrock of christianity. A change in nature. Freedom. Forgiveness. This life has changed people, and nations.

Your understanding of what salvation is is obscured.


salvation is not primarily "freedom from sin", but saved from death.

Kay 17: If the topic of sin is removed from the themes of Christianity, Christianity is bound to collapse like a deflated airbag. The remainder themes especially 'salvation' will lose meaning. It is with sin man is in trouble with God and the divine forces.

however, sin brought death into the world, but death and its removal is the ultimate target of salvation, hence, the ending of the book of revelation is about "death being no more".

The removal of Death is what salvation means, hence, he that endures to the end will be saved.

"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." (Revelation 21:4)

Emusan:

So how did you show this?



What do you mean by "followed Satan"?



That thing which is right in the sight of God.

1. By followed, I meant it in the literal sense.

2. Isn't that a law?

Also, from your acronym of SiN, Sin is a state of affaiirs not an action (moral action) hence people are not sinners by virtue of committing sins, rather by the state of affairs. That would be contradictory in Christianity, because man is said to commit sin.

striktlymi:

The above is not abreast with the times...I know a number of folks (even here on nairaland) who believe that they cannot sin as Christians. We can say that, in a sense, they have systematically 'removed' the topic of sin as it relates to them but still maintain that they are Christians.

however that is in the realization that man is saved by Jesus from sin (which is a heavy moral burden)

striktlymi: That's incorrect!

Salvation in the context of Christ' coming has to do with the restoration of what we lost through our first parents. That obviously cAannot lose its meaning or relevance.

if there was no sin for Adam and Eve to transgress, they wouldn't have fallen, and there wouldn't have been the need for Jesus to supercede death (a consequence of sin).

Joshthefirst: the law by itself is a huge benefit. The bible acknowledges that. Man by nature cannot keep Gods law. The law was given as a schoolmaster, to guide us to grace. So its a potent weapon of showing a man he is indeed sinful and guilty, of showing a man his imperfections, to guide him and take him to his saviour, the perfector. This is a bedrock of christianity. A change in nature. Freedom. Forgiveness. This life has changed people, and nations.

Hope you realize that men have been condemned because the law (supposed graceful law). Billions have been condemned to eternal hell, it is hard to see the benefit thereof in the light of this. If there was no law, man would be no sinner. The law suffocates, kills and then hangs man inspite of knowing man cannot fulfill it.

truthislight: Your understanding of what salvation is is obscured.


salvation is not primarily "freedom from sin", but saved from death.



however, sin brought death into the world, but death and its removal is the ultimate target of salvation, hence, the ending of the book of revelation is about "death being no more".

The removal of Death is what salvation means, hence, he that endures to the end will be saved.

"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." (Revelation 21:4)

You said it all, there wouldn't have been death in the absence of sin.

Kay 17:

Hope you realize that men have been condemned because the law (supposed graceful law). Billions have been condemned to eternal hell, it is hard to see the benefit thereof in the light of this. If there was no law, man would be no sinner. The law suffocates, kills and then hangs man inspite of knowing man cannot fulfill it.

the law condemns us all. Condemns us all to hell. It is when we realize our condemnation that we reach out for the saviour: Jesus Christ. The law enables us to realize our sinfulness and the fact that we are already condemned, and look for salvation. By trusting God, and not trying to be good by our own power, breaking it even more. The law is eternal, even before man, it is established. God does not change. Man is already condemned. But we herald a saviour. Today we preach his light. It is only when one rejects the saviour that he pays the price in full for his unrepentance.

Kay 17:

Hope you realize that men have been condemned because the law (supposed graceful law). Billions have been condemned to eternal hell, it is hard to see the benefit thereof in the light of this. If there was no law, man would be no sinner. The law suffocates, kills and then hangs man inspite of knowing man cannot fulfill it.

That ^ is not generic to all.

Hence, address it to the appropriate quaters.

mazaje:
The idea of sin is used to justify the religion and all the sadistic ideas it preaches like hell etc. . .An alternative will be that god doesn't punish sin for all enternity. . .He just ends the lives of sinners. . .

Well this will certain take care of that pesky overpopulation problem.

mazaje:
I do not believe in the concept of sin. . The people that invented christianity and judiasm also invented the idea of sin. . .There is no god in my version. . .Man is god in my version becaue man created the god idea. . .

Aren’t you contradicting the bolded below?

macof: Wat is sin?
Sin is transgression against the laws
Wat are the laws?
The laws of your traditions- in fact the laws are your traditions, your tribal traditions
You ever wonder why the so called mosaic laws are traditional guidelines to the Jews? It's their tradition nothing more nothing less
For a non-jew to apply those laws in his life, that person must be a Foolish slave

[quote author=mazaje]
Go to your village and learn your laws so you can be saved from sin, Not some stupid Bible laws that your ancestors never knew about

Alas…I have no village.

Do you really believe all sin should be punishable by death? Would there be anyone left? I guess there would be one person left, but he would eventually have to commit suicide. After all, there is no redemption and no mercy, right?

Joshthefirst: the law condemns us all. Condemns us all to hell. It is when we realize our condemnation that we reach out for the saviour: Jesus Christ. The law enables us to realize our sinfulness and the fact that we are already condemned, and look for salvation. By trusting God, and not trying to be good by our own power, breaking it even more. The law is eternal, even before man, it is established. God does not change. Man is already condemned. But we herald a saviour. Today we preach his light. It is only when one rejects the saviour that he pays the price in full for his unrepentance.

I think we are on the same page, but don't you realise the law does not benefit man at all, because prior to the advent of Jesus, man was condemned without remedy. When the law ought to protect him!

truthislight:

That ^ is not generic to all.

Hence, address it to the appropriate quaters.

At least we can agree Jesus has come to save us from the law?!

Kay 17:

You said it all, there wouldn't have been death in the absence of sin.

Laws do serve a useful purpose, at least to keep a person or design on the safe couse.

If human were designed, then the only way for this design to function efficiently without complications is to follow the designers code of manual of operation.

If the designed protocol was for humans to depend on its designer for a level of instruction on how to operate maximally without error, it will be wrong to propose that human has the capacity to infallibly decide what is most beneficial to man by man.

That Man have the absolute capacity to dictate for itself what is the best options at all times.(right and wrong, good and bad).

Hence, certain laws are made to ensure that man remains in the right track. ("do not eat from the tree of good and bad" ) dont aim to be the final abitar.

That is, dont demand for independence.

Obedience was what was needed to function according to the designed protocol.

Laws can serve as a beneficial protection.

Let on the loose can be destructive.

Kay 17:

At least we can agree Jesus has come to save us from the law?!

The law was given to help a blind man see that he is dirty.

Hence, appreciates the need for birthing.

If he still wish not to birth, he will not be able to mixe with decent people.

texanomaly:
Wow...Ok, So who decides what sin is then? Who decides who dies and who doesn't? God? Where do we get our guidelines? How do we know when we are sinning? Who is this God in your version?

Jesus said he came for the "sinners", there was and still is a reason for this.

In Jewish tradition a sinner was anyone who did not observe Mosaic Law, the term "sinner" was never a blanket for all manner of transgressions currently alluded to as sin. Jesus with his well known disdain for the Pharisees made this clear. For instance the disciple Matthew, a tax collector for the Romans would have been considered a "sinner" under Jewish Law. Under Jewish law a gentile had (and still has) no rights, a Jew could not be held accountable for the death of a gentile, but a gentile would face. Instant death by stoning if he killed a Jew.

The term "sin" is highly subjective today and depends largely on present day civil and moral codes. What is sin today could have been considered perfectly acceptable behaviour two hundred years ago, i.e slavery.

Jesus left no laws, therefore in my view where there's no law.....there's no sin. But then again, i am no Christian.

Kay 17:

1. By followed, I meant it in the literal sense.

So how can one followed satan to do alms to the poor?

Isn't that a law?

From your OP it inferred that the laws are for man not for God. Now if the laws are for man isnt it that God wants us to live peacefully with ourselves? then the delineated in good and back is that thing you do that is right in the sight of God not in your own sight and God has listed them somewhere.

Also, from your acronym of SiN, Sin is a state of affaiirs not an action (moral action) hence people are not sinners by virtue of committing sins, rather by the state of affairs. That would be contradictory in Christianity, because man is said to commit sin.

I can see that you never decipher my post since. What I mean by that acronym is this, through satan man involve in sin. The instruction God gave to Adam & Eve is to guide them in preventing satan to influence them. Satan is the first being to influence nature with lie (give a contrary message to that of God) because when he speaks he speaks lies and out of him lies flow..John 8:44.

What flows out from Satan's influence are:
*All sort of immorality
*pride
*Hatred e.t.c
The instruction God gave to Adam in order to guide himself against the influence of Satan to flow through him, but he fails to hold on to it. So the laws are for man to guide against SIN, problem to free yourself from SIN you're already Satan's candidate who will follow Satan to partake in everlasting destruction. Nobody is treating you with any fire very simple analogy.
The choice is yours!



Shalom!

Sarassin:

Jesus said he came for the "sinners", there was and still is a reason for this.

In Jewish tradition a sinner was anyone who did not observe Mosaic Law, the term "sinner" was never a blanket for all manner of transgressions currently alluded to as sin. Jesus with his well known disdain for the Pharisees made this clear. For instance the disciple Matthew, a tax collector for the Romans would have been considered a "sinner" under Jewish Law. Under Jewish law a gentile had (and still has) no rights, a Jew could not be held accountable for the death of a gentile, but a gentile would face. Instant death by stoning if he killed a Jew.

The term "sin" is highly subjective today and depends largely on present day civil and moral codes. What is sin today could have been considered perfectly acceptable behaviour two hundred years ago, i.e slavery.

Jesus left no laws, therefore in my view where there's no law.....there's no sin. But then again, i am no Christian.

good statement but then where do these Christians get their sin from when they have no tribal identity??

Kay 17:

I think we are on the same page, but don't you realise the law does not benefit man at all, because prior to the advent of Jesus, man was condemned without remedy. When the law ought to protect him!

the law ought to make him wise about his sinfulness. Jesus was taken on a promissory note. Men like abraham and the other patriarchs simply trusted God, had faith in him, and they were counted as righteous. The law guided us into faith in God. When others tried to achieve righteousness by their works, they reaped Gods anger and perished. So the law is good in its self. It guides us to faith in God.

Kay17:
If the topic of sin is removed from the themes of Christianity, Christianity is bound to collapse like a deflated airbag. The remainder themes especially salvation will lose meaning. It is with sin man is in trouble with God and the divine forces.

What is sin? Sin is the transgression of divine law. Without the law, there is no sin and likewise no need to worry about salvation. Sin is so central to Christianity, because of man"s frail moral nature, man is unable to live up to the expectations of this high standards, thus collapses over and over again into transgression of the law (divine law).

Jesus makes a celebrated entry into the scene, promising grace to wipe off the sins of man from time to time. Yet man still sins, it is still beyond man's power to be morally perfect. And the little merrygoround continues till this day.

But one must ask, why is there law? For whom's benefit? God's or man's? Laws are crafted to protect, and definitely God does not need such protection. He is said to have lived infinitely and has lived without the law infinitely.. God is almighty and is even the source of the law. Hence the law is not for God but for man.

A look at the 10 Commandments for example, reveals benefits to society and man. "Thou shall not kill" "thou shall not steal" are self explanatory. All Mosaic laws on cleanliness, local government, etc; have human interest at the centre.

With the above in mind and considering that humans have not been horrible legislators. Our laws even overlap into these divine laws and leave them behind in a distance. Modern laws have adapted better to our times and more effective than the divine laws which are not interpreted as living documents with man's welfare at heart.

In all, Christianity shows self defeat by preaching a salvation from the laws designed to protect and preserve man. In turn condemns their God. Also questions arise as to the measure of punishment such as hell.

Distortions arise because of human bias and its solidification through tradition. Do a word search in the Gospels for the word sin and you get only a handful of references and the majority of them in the Book of John. What I am trying to point out is that the good news is not primarily about sin. What Jesus came to do was show us the path way to God's kingdom. His emphasis was not on law but on love, the idea that if you loved your neighbour you'd do him no harm.

The over focus on sin is only a distortion and arises because of our human shortcomings and bias. Our glasses are distorted by our failings but I dare anybody to follow the law of love and see whether he will be very concerned with sin.

LordReed:


Distortions arise because of human bias and its solidification through tradition. Do a word search in the Gospels for the word sin and you get only a handful of references and the majority of them in the Book of John. What I am trying to point out is that the good news is not primarily about sin. What Jesus came to do was show us the path way to God's kingdom. His emphasis was not on law but on love, the idea that if you loved your neighbour you'd do him no harm.

The over focus on sin is only a distortion and arises because of our human shortcomings and bias. Our glasses are distorted by our failings but I dare anybody to follow the law of love and see whether he will be very concerned with sin.

Salvation is like a rescue, a rescue from danger which is sin. So is it possible for there to be a salvation without the danger of sin? I don't think so.