Tseew!i feel sad 4 those innocent citizen!!

McKren:

I understand US position on this matter, anything that undermines Russia is in the interest of US foreign policy

But I think the Georgians should oust Mikeal Sakaasvhali for allowing his country to be used as a chess board by world powers.

See how this clueless man reasons. Whenever he is debating any international issue,he can't help but launch glib jabs at the US without much causal relevance to the issue.250,000 civilians dead in Darfur? Yes,but America is evil. Mugabe starving people in his homeland?Yes, but America is evil

You have to wonder whether this standard response will arise if his village is razed by the Government. ''Yes,I understand that my relatives have been killed but America shouldn't say a word.''

Logically,how does Georgia's actions in an isolated and barren region which Russia recognises as part of Georgia actually undermine Russia?

4 Play:

See how this clueless man reasons. Whenever he is debating any international issue,he can't help but launch glib jabs at the US without much causal relevance to the issue.250,000 civilians dead in Darfur? Yes,but America is evil. Mugabe starving people in his homeland?Yes, but America is evil

You have to wonder whether this standard response will arise if his village is razed by the Government. ''Yes,I understand that my relatives have been killed but America shouldn't say a word.''

Logically,how does Georgia's actions in an isolated and barren region which Russia recognises as part of Georgia actually undermine Russia?

@4 Play,

Stop making a fool of yourself, biko!

The last good thing US foreign policy did was to establish the United Nations, after that they've been hopelessly pathetic.

The main reason for all the bold-faced attrocities in the world today, is because the aggressors know that there are no consequences for their actions - Darfur, Congo, Iraq, Palestine, etc.

The US has sold it's moral right to Israel and Saudi-Arabia. They came out of WW II as a nation to be respected, but today have lost it all. The US has even undermined the United Nations (her own baby) and is against the International Criminal Court for the usual egocentric reasons America is known for!

When the world's most popular superpower undermines the institutions established to prevent or punish the aggressive impunity of tyrants, it is chaos galore!

RichyBlacK:

@4 Play,

Stop making a fool of yourself, biko!

The last good thing US foreign policy did was to establish the United Nations, after that they've been hopelessly pathetic.

The main reason for all the bold-faced attrocities in the world today, is because the aggressors know that there are no consequences for their actions - Darfur, Congo, Iraq, Palestine, etc.

Your reasoning is as warped as usual. For as long as human civilisation, conflicts and ''bold-faced atrocities'' have been common place.

Take the places you mentioned. Conflicts between 'Arabs' and 'Africans' in the Sudan go back centuries. Sunni/Shia/Kurd rivalry in Iraq is centuries old. Did the Palestinian conflict start recently or are atrocities there a modern day occurrence?

As far back as the Katanga secession bid,the modern state of the DRC Congo has been bedeviled with endless conflicts and atrocities.

For anyone to suggest that there is something contemporary about todays' atrocities smacks of historical illiteracy. The problem is that many people seem to think that history began when they started showing keen interest.

Again,how the suffering of people can be explained by always invoking the US verges on the idiotic. This is where you and McKren miss the point. If the US didn't even exist,does any sane person think Russia won't be bombing its neighbors or that Arabs won't be fighting Africans in Sudan?

RichyBlacK:

When the world's most popular superpower undermines the institutions established to prevent or punish the aggressive impunity of tyrants, it is chaos galore!

when that same "most popular superpower" attempts to punish the "aggressive impunity of tyrants", these same hypocrites come crying about illegal invasion.

Speaking with two sides of the mouth is calamitous, otondo.

4play

I think you need to get civilized

My grandfather is no a Russian neither is yours an American. So I dont understand why the abuses.

4 Play:

Your reasoning is as warped as usual. For as long as human civilisation, conflicts and ''bold-faced atrocities'' have been common place.

Take the places you mentioned. Conflicts between 'Arabs' and 'Africans' in the Sudan go back centuries. Sunni/Shia/Kurd rivalry in Iraq is centuries old. Did the Palestinian conflict start recently or are atrocities there a modern day occurrence?

As far back as the Katanga secession bid,the modern state of the DRC Congo has been bedeviled with endless conflicts and atrocities.

For anyone to suggest that there is something contemporary about todays' atrocities smacks of historical illiteracy. The problem is that many people seem to think that history began when they started showing keen interest.

Again,how the suffering of people can be explained by always invoking the US verges on the idiotic. This is where you and McKren miss the point. If the US didn't even exist,does any sane person think Russia won't be bombing its neighbors or that Arabs won't be fighting Africans in Sudan?

As usual, still employing the use of dead-end logic.

Most historians would agree that the aggression of tyrants, in the modern era, climaxed in WW II, when Hitler and the axis powers destabilized the planet. After that, the United States pushed for the creation of the United Nations to forestall major man-made and deliberate calamities. However, in time, the US became blinded by her obsession with Communism resulting in the Cold War, and lost her moral compass. US aggression in the Korean Peninsula and in Vietnam began the weakening of a laudable vision (the United Nations and similar institutions). That decline continued with the US support of Iraq to wage war with Iran due to fears of a domino effect of the Iranian Revolution against the corrupt, US-supported Shah monarchy. The US did not stop there in her bid to kill her own baby (the United Nations and all institutions in that light), they continued by supporting Israel's aggression against Palestinians and invading Iraq because of her oil reserves. All these actions have emboldened tyrants everywhere, and the US has lost the moral authority it once commanded after the fall of the axis powers.

davidylan:

when that same "most popular superpower" attempts to punish the "aggressive impunity of tyrants", these same hypocrites come crying about illegal invasion.

Speaking with two sides of the mouth is calamitous, otondo.

Of course, it is illegal to invade a country (Iraq) based on fabricated lies. Saddam was a tyrant, but what did he do to justify being lied against? Did he have any WMD that the fool, George W. Bush, said he had? The House of Saud is a family of tyrants, Egypt is ruled by another tyrant. What has the US done to remove those tyrants?

Punishing tyrants must start with punishing Israel for killing thousands of innocent Palestinian women and children, for decades!

But they give Israel the green light to any atrocity it commits!

RichyBlacK:

As usual, still employing the use of dead-end logic.

Most historians would agree that the aggression of tyrants, in the modern era, climaxed in WW II, when Hitler and the axis powers destabilized the planet. After that, the United States pushed for the creation of the United Nations to forestall major man-made and deliberate calamities. However, in time, the US became blinded by her obsession with Communism resulting in the Cold War, and lost her moral compass. US aggression in the Korean Peninsula and in Vietnam began the weakening of a laudable vision (the United Nations and similar institutions). That decline continued with the US support of Iraq to wage war with Iran due to fears of a domino effect of the Iranian Revolution against the corrupt, US-supported Shah monarchy. The US did not stop there in her bid to kill her own baby (the United Nations and all institutions in that light), they continued by supporting Israel's aggression against Palestinians and invading Iraq because of her oil reserves. All these actions have emboldened tyrants everywhere, and the US has lost the moral authority it once commanded after the fall of the axis powers.

You seem to be incapable of lucidity. How does the supposed loss of US moral authority explain why people of warped minds seem to invoke the US's 'evils' in every major atrocity on the planet?

Responding to your tour de force of irrelevance, I'm ''delighted'' to hear that the US had ''moral authority'' during the era of segregation/Jim Crow laws which they have lost recently. Presumably,the US was at its height of moral authority merely because it fought back against 2 nations-Germany and Japan-who declared war on the US.

That the world isn't menaced by the "aggression of tyrants",which presumably means the sort of imperialist land grab embarked upon by Hitler on a global scale,is not merely down to the UN but to the advent of a nuclear age with major powers adhering to the principle of MAD(Mutually Assured Destruction).

The reality is that while you mourn the modern political reality,the world is more prosperous and peaceful than at any time in human history. There are effectively 200+ states on the planet of which the US is only but one,nothing stops the rest of humanity from taking up the mantle and dealing with issues like Darfur and the DRC Congo without invoking the US

McKren:

4play
I think you need to get civilized

My grandfather is no a Russian neither is yours an American. So I don't understand why the abuses.

Your grandfather doesn't have to be Russian/American for you to discard warped reasoning when discussing global events. You might as well stick to discussing PDP and Yar'Adua.

South Ossetia is a semi-autonomous territory in Georgia. As such, it belongs 100% to georgia. Russia has since handed passports to The SO citizens, but that does not make them part of Russia.

If Sweden were to hand over passports to Lagosians (and we all know very well that 80% of Lagosians will jump at the offer), does that give them right to invade Lagos?


Georgia moved troops in to quell separatist violence. According to Georgia, artillery fire from SO killed 10 Georgians. That's grounds for armed action, especially as it was the same excuse Russians used for the invasion of Chechnya.

Saakashvili miscaculated period, he's paying the price now.

Who the hell advised Saakashvill when his best soldiers aren't around?

Personally, I don't give a Damn what those Europeans do to each other.

Why?

Because they don't give a Damn what happens to Blacks, Africans, or any people of color.

Racist?

NO!

Realist yes!

Think about it. What have Europe "WILLINGLY" done to help the progression of people of color?

RichyBlacK:

Of course, it is illegal to invade a country (Iraq) based on fabricated lies.

It is also illegal to invade a territory that is legally within the borders of another nation.

RichyBlacK:

Saddam was a tyrant, but what did he do to justify being lied against?

This is about russia and SO but as usual otondo's who have nothing to say must drag Iraq into it.

RichyBlacK:

Did he have any WMD that the fool, George W. Bush, said he had? The House of Saud is a family of tyrants, Egypt is ruled by another tyrant. What has the US done to remove those tyrants?

why cant someone else remove them? If the US invaded Egypt today hypocrites like you would be the first to wave the flag of illegality.

RichyBlacK:

Punishing tyrants must start with punishing Israel for killing thousands of innocent Palestinian women and children, for decades!

But they give Israel the green light to any atrocity it commits!

atrocities like defending their territorial borders? You have no sense of judgement.

This crises will turn to another thing soonest. Now that the US military is in close proximity with Russian military.
A single mistake from either side will escalate the situation.

@post

Really don't have much time now but can't just reisit this for one reason: I have been a student in this field(International Relations) for quite some years, still learning anyway

Ok let me do a quick one:

Concert of Power = Concert of Europe = Balance of Power

to

Bipolar World = USSR + US = Arm Race & Cold War (Warsaw Pact & NATO)

to

Unipolar World = US = Bullying Cowboy Diplomacy + Naked Aggression + Disregard for Int'l Laws ( Surviving Super Power)

to

US Using Terror War for consolidating power & Encirclement of formal arch foe (Russia) i.e Missile Shield at Russia's backyard & more are still coming.

to

Emerging Power matrix is evolving now (Russian Sphere of influence is fading away with NATO expansionist Cowboy foreign policy.

NATO encirclement is decimating Russian sphere of influence, removing the roofing sheet over the house one by one

South Ossetia and its autonomous neigbour = Russian opportunity to redeem image & re-assert itself on the stage.

The implication of all this is that Russian will need to reconsider Re-arming (Just signed $189b armament project)
The new arm race is about to start. God have Mercy !

ISSUES: A peaceful world is not in the interest of everybody, It will run down the 'Extreme Machines' of the 'Military Industrial Complex'. So there must be tension and the sleeping dog must not be allowed to rest or else the Big Guns will be out of Buz.

Pivate View:
1. Bipolarity is better than Unipolarity

2. Concert of Power better than Bipolarity by far (keeps everyone in check)

3.Unipolarity (Unbridled dictatorship, US a living example)

4. Unipolarity breeds Nuclear proliferation, WHY? No umberrela cover for opposing voices in the Cowboy century, hence the need for personal survival & protection

5. Unipolarity reduces UN to a toothless bull dog dancing to the whims of the Surviving Power

6. Unipolarity intimidates and cowed others to submission

7. Unipolarity is a triumph of Capitalism with every contrary ideological views under persecution


Assignments

@ Tayo D & Texazzpete

Plz Familiarize yourself with two dorminant theory of international relations namely:

1. Idealist Theory
2. Reality Theory (power theory)

It may give you a better insight to the nature power assymetry always on stage on the Int'l scene.


Kudos to:

Richyblack
Mickren
Landis

If US can recognise Kosovo why should nt Russia defend South Ossetia

What was the originator of this article thinking when he implied that Russia was the aggressor? Is this part of the propaganda machine based on lies that the West is selling to the rest of the world?

Russia was attacked by Georgia and Russia responded swiftly and decisively as a world power should.

And who is comparing this to US illegal invasion of Iraq based on lies?

And who is comparing this to Israel destroying infrastructure in Lebanon based on the kidnapping of 2 Israeli soldiers?

The level of hypocrisy and sycophancy is getting so high by the West wannabes on this forum.

Afam:

What was the originator of this article thinking when he implied that Russia was the aggressor? Is this part of the propaganda machine based on lies that the West is selling to the rest of the world?

Russia was attacked by Georgia and Russia responded swiftly and decisively as a world power should.

And who is comparing this to US illegal invasion of Iraq based on lies?

And who is comparing this to Israel destroying infrastructure in Lebanon based on the kidnapping of 2 Israeli soldiers?

The level of hypocrisy and sycophancy is getting so high by the West wannabes on this forum.

Talk of the outsider weeping more than the bereaved, Nigerian conservatives love the US more than the Americans themselves. Hahaha!
It is part of their visa requirement to always support the US or else. Hahaha

Russia was attacked by Georgia and Russia responded swiftly and decisively as a world power should.

olodo of the highest order, so south ossetia is now russian territory?

No, it is in your father's territory wise one. Keep fooling yourself silly pig.

idiot please show proof that georgia invaded Russia. is south ossetia and abhkazia russian territory??

See me see trouble, I have already informed you that it is in your father's territory and you still don't get it?

Your olodoness is getting out of hand silly pig.

bawomolo:

idiot please show proof that georgia invaded Russia. is south ossetia and abhkazia russian territory??

South ossertia is a disputed territory.
North Ossetia is wholly Russian.
The South still has over 70% Russian population though.
Anyway this is rich coming from people who supported America going thousands of miles to invade Iraq.

South ossertia is a disputed territory.

it is a georgian territory according to the UN and other international organizations. since when did Russia lay claim to south ossetia??