Who was more powerful and influential?

Can anybody compare and contrast their brands of politics?

Adedibu is ruthless and a great student of Machiavelli. his grasp of politics and grassroot militancy allowed him control of his domain without exception. He was more open and liberal than his critic gave him credit. Every presidential candidate , sought his support, even those in the opposition party. Through sheer will power and superb political calculation, he remain relevant in both state and national politics.

For somebody like Adedibu to control Ibadan, the political headquarter of the yoruba people, with all its intellectuals and elites, I rate him ahead of Saraki.

Adedibu is a big fish in a big pond, while Saraki is a big fish in a small pond.

bilymuse:

Adedibu is ruthless and a great student of Machiavelli.
Adedibu is a big fish in a big pond, while Saraki is a big fish in a small pond.

You are right,Adedibu was a strong man that cannot be hand-waved in the politics of Nigeria.Saraki is a strong man too,but he acts locally.Adedibu was every where .

Saraki operates under the cover, while Adedibu operated openly.
Both of them represent (represented) big fish, but you must be very careful when it comes to dealing with folks that operate under the cover. You just do not know the strength of their capabilities.
The impact of the action of these folks can not be felt directly nor can it be measured accurately, but could be indirectly deadly.

It is more or less like fighting or dealing with an invisible man.

Therefore, I think Saraki is a bigger fish; and one could even look at the family political background and clearly understand why Saraki has more muscle.
Apart from Lamidi Adedibu, I'm not sure if any other Adedibu could successfully emerge into political arena (e.g for governorship or presidential position) anytime soon; but I can assure you that the Sarakis will be around for many years to come.

With due respect to Baba adedibu, I'll give it to Saraki.

Installing two of his children as Governor and Senator at the same time is no mean feat. The first African to have his children as Governor and Senator at the same time.
Saraki plays scientific politics. The major difference between him and Adedibu is that he rarely talks. He operates openly-silently, that is he makes everybody know this is his candidate and talks no no more.

Recall in 1999, Adedibu, did not win Oyo state for his PDP. AD won. But Saraki delivered Kwara to his ANPP(Lawal) then, and before the next Saturday presidential election, probably angry that he was not given ANPP presidential ticket, he ordered that his supporters vote for PDP in presidential election. The rest is history. The PDP that lost gubernatorial election last week, won presidential the next week. Pls before you mention ruling party factor, PDP had not become a monster then, didn't have power at the federal level.

Saraki was in CNC in the Abacha period, and his party won Kwara and Kogi in all the elections held.

In other words, Saraki doesn't need ruling party/federal might to win Kwara and Kogi. Even if he was in Justice Party, he could have won Kwara. I doubt if Adedibu could deliver Oyo state to a non-ruling party.

If anything, Saraki is even more consulted at the federal level than Adedibu. During the third term saga, Oloye was reportedly threatened to order the three Kwara senators to vote for third, or else the SGBN issue will be exhumed. He didn't, and EFCC dare not go near him.

Saraki doesn't talk too much. He let election results do the talking!!!

Abi o!Saraki plays d real politics,he can't go to d press & annouce he impeached someone because of sharing of security allocation,even if that's d reason.The difference btw Scientific politics & Amala politics

Saraki plays scientific politics. The major difference between him and Adedibu is that he rarely talks. He operates openly-silently, that is he makes everybody know this is his candidate and talks no no more.

Dont deceive yourself with fancy terminology, there is nothing called scientific politics in Nigeria. the Nigeria political scene has made political scientist redundant and elevate thugs and area boys to analyst. Politicians follow a simple political maxim: its not the person that vote that matters, rather its the person that counts the votes.

Mahmud Waziri, former ANPP chairman openly called on their supporter to rig the election, if it will guarantee victory.
Even Obasanjo concede that the last election was flawed, and both the government and opposition were guilty of rigging.

Knowlegeable people of Kwara politics will tell you that Saraki influence those not extend to Kogi and he plays as much amala politics in kwara just like Adedibu in Ibadan

ofurufu:

With due respect to Baba adedibu, I'll give it to Saraki.

Installing two of his children as Governor and Senator at the same time is no mean feat. The first African to have his children as Governor and Senator at the same time.
Saraki plays scientific politics. The major difference between him and Adedibu is that he rarely talks. He operates openly-silently, that is he makes everybody know this is his candidate and talks no no more.

Recall in 1999, Adedibu, did not win Oyo state for his PDP. AD won. But Saraki delivered Kwara to his ANPP(Lawal) then, and before the next Saturday presidential election, probably angry that he was not given ANPP presidential ticket, he ordered that his supporters vote for PDP in presidential election. The rest is history. The PDP that lost gubernatorial election last week, won presidential the next week. Please before you mention ruling party factor, PDP had not become a monster then, didn't have power at the federal level.

Saraki was in CNC in the Abacha period, and his party won Kwara and Kogi in all the elections held.

In other words, Saraki doesn't need ruling party/federal might to win Kwara and Kogi. Even if he was in Justice Party, he could have won Kwara. I doubt if Adedibu could deliver Oyo state to a non-ruling party.

If anything, Saraki is even more consulted at the federal level than Adedibu. During the third term saga, Oloye was reportedly threatened to order the three Kwara senators to vote for third, or else the SGBN issue will be exhumed. He didn't, and EFCC dare not go near him.

Saraki doesn't talk too much. He let election results do the talking!!!

Giving to how dangerous and tasking Ibadan and Yoruba politics is, Saraki wouldnt have delivered half of what Adedibu delivered.
However, this kind of negative comparison is one of the reasons Nigeria is full of retards as leaders.

bilymuse:



Dont deceive yourself with fancy terminology, there is nothing called scientific politics in Nigeria. the Nigeria political scene has made political scientist redundant and elevate thugs and area boys to analyst.
So , whats scientific about the politics?

Scientific politics and Political science are not the same. Political science refers to the study of the state, government, and politics. Experts in this field are called political scientists, not politicians. They do not necessarily participate in partisan politics, but knowledgeable in state, government and politics. Prof. Gambari is a political scientist

Politicians participate in partisan politics. They seek power or assist those that seek power. You need not read political science before you achieve this. Just be charismatic, rich(in many countries), and maybe vocal.

Adedibu and Saraki were/are politicians.

Science basically involves doing things by experimentations, observation and calculations, such that it appears mysterious or miraculous prima facie, but just a rule of logic when probed deeper.

By scientific politics, I mean politics that appears hard to imagine, but simply based on calculations, projections, insights, experience and logic, but only the player has the simple code(logic).

Can you ever imagine the possibilty of having son and daughter as Governor and Senator at the same time. Complex to everyone, but simple for simple for the grandmaster!!!

Saraki is a master in this regard!!!

Both Saraki and Adedibu are big fish, but for a proper comparison we need to look at their domain. Comparatively, kwara is like a village when justapose with Oyo. Ibadan is the political headquater of the youruba people during the first republic. It has more population, more educated people , more elites and national politicians, more developed ; compared to kwara.

Among some of  it top politicians who are on equal or more footing than Saraki are; Late Akintola, Richard Akinjide, Oladipo Alayande, Theophilus Adeleke Akinyele among others.

International musicians from Oyo; Sade adu, Hakeem Seriki, American rap artist better known as Chamillionaire.

Kwara village has just Saraki doing a solo act.
For Adedibu, despite all these to dominate Oyo, he comes ahead of Saraki

Adedibu doesn't control more than Ibadan. Saraki controls Kwara and Kogi, and no-push-over in the entire North(now chairman of Northern Union).

Name any other Governor installed by Adedibu for Oyo after Ladoja and Alao Akala?

Saraki has installed all the civilian governors that have ruled Kwara and Kogi since creation in 1967 and 1991 respectively.
1979-1983: Installed Adamu Attah(NPN). Saraki was in NPN then and senate leader
1983-1983:Adamu Attah fell out with him ,and he ordered that people should vote for UPN(C.O Adebayo). The rest is history. Attah, with all incumbency factor & ruling party lost to Adebayo of UPN
1990-1992: Shaaba Lafiagi of Saraki's SDP for Kwara and Abubakar Audu for Kogi,also of SDP
1999-2003: Lawal of Saraki's ANPP. All senators, house of rep(except Offa-AD) ANPP, including Gbemi
2003-2007: Lawal fell out with Saraki and with his incumbency factor, he lost to Saraki's PDP(Bukola). Gbemi now Senator
2007-2011: Bukky himself had come of age. Didn't need his father again.

Which politician can beat this in Nigeria?

Adedibu was not in AD when Lam won in 1999. Saraki's candidate has never lost in Kwara and Kogi

Adedibu was more influential and he thrived well in the grassroots area of politics

Not a very modern brand but a bit more direct, thuggish and brashy

but i would say Saraki, judging by behind the scenes power, which u can't underrate and also the track record he has over the years!

These qualities amongst others are the clincher for him!!!!!

Kwara is a village, populated by illitrates and backward people. Saraki is running a one man show, because he is the only politician of note from kwara. he is like a one eye man , in the country of the blind. Its a small pond, and he is the only big fish.

Kogi is populated by the Igalas, followed by Igbira while Yoruba are the minority. Even the late Awoniyi, despite his national influence does not control the politics of Kogi, which is dominated by the igalas.

The Igalas have always produce the governor irrespective of the party. Attempt by the PDP in 1999 to impose a Yoruba candidate failed because Dr Steven Achama , one of the main power broker, switch allegiance to the opposition party ANPP, where an Igala man is the candidate.

Saraki influence stops in his village, Kwara. And like Adedibu he uses amala politics.