@Deepzone
[b]I mean Pastors that still maintain Holiness and have not comprise in any form unlike many pastors that are interested in just making names, always eager to be noticed in Political Arena and all what not[/b]. Again, by the their flock , u can say that this church is a christian one. Friend, do u know that if i was not a christian, i will not become one because it is difficult to distinquish church people from Harlots in the Hotel rooms this days. These pastors(i mean pastors i cherish) stiilll enforce good christian dressings in their churches and give messages that will take the members to heaven not unlike many churches , where the pastors are not interested on whether the flook is following true christianity or not, but only preaches messages like: Prosperity, you shall make it , God searches the heart, what you wear doesnt matter, bring your money , etc. .If christianity is what we see today, then it will be very difficult to go to Heaven. Notice that i am not interested on Pastors that Perform miracles but am only interested on pastors that maintain Christian Standard. Miracles is just for confirmation, miracles doesn't recommend any man to Heaven.

Raymond4kc:

Today we see things that are happening in so-called churches. Church that is suppose to be a place of holiness is now turning to something else.
Fellow Nairalanders, many people are confussed, many that are willing to join one church or the other are having the impression that all churches are the same. But this is not true. There are some churches that still hold there intigrity as true bible believing churches in the way that suit christianity of today

I therefore put it forth to all and sundry to list men of God cherished base on their way of leadership (using true christianity as the measuring instrument)
For me, Pastors W. F. Kumuyi (G S of deeper life Church) and A. C. Ohanebo (G. S. of Watchman Catholic Charismatic Renewal Movement) are the most respected Pastors . I cherish their way of Leadership. Make Investigations and see. Make your Contributions to that effect.

amazingurl:

Cant but smile at the rubbish all of U are commenting, The person who began the thread clearly stated that those are the pastors he respects the most.And wanted comments. If there were other pastors you guys also respected, you should have just mentioned their names instead of insulting the person who started the thread,

[b]And Rotimi,whoever you are, i read your comments and i feel so sorry for you.When people are blinded by the devil himself,its certain only the light of God make them see the truth, Pastor Ohanebo didnt break up from any church.Originally he was a member of the Catholic church because of cus that is what he was born into,now mind u no one is mandated to remain in sometin that is not beneficial to your souls wellbeing.At the age of 9,he wanted to know more about life after death,life after this phase here on earth,no one was able to answers his questions. After many years,God saw the humility and sincerity in the heart of this Man Of God and called him out of darkness,the darkness he was born into,the darkness that was practised in the Catholic church. The name of his church was gotten after years of praying and divinely seeking Gods leading on what the church will be called. The catholic in the name of the church is used in it original meaning "UNIVERSAL", indicating the church is for all and sundry.

You said the Man Of God is a crafty unintelligent man. Am tempted at this point to speak to U but i wont cus its Gods business to judge people like U. those words were rather harsh and strong to use for such an anionted man.

nowissoon:

People speak based on how much knowledge they possess on any issue. That is why you can tell better of your own pastor or one whom know very well, especially when you have been blessed through the his ministry or you have seen some substantial differences compared to others: However a good comparison (if/when necessary for good purpose) is a function of how much of the WORD your know and how much you are close to God. And even when we know, we do not make squabbles; that how you know true and seasoned Christians. We rather reach out with love by our lives and deed.
On the internet, people are fond of saying anything with lol, but with due respect, I wish to warn that we avoid speaking against men/women of God, especially when you do not know them (as agents of darkness) substantially: If we do, we will attract God's judgment to ourselves, I guess you know what I mean if you are a bible student.
Moreover, the leading quote or questioner seem to be exited and blessed by some pastors that he has come to know very well with some standard and wanted to know others who are alike whom he does not know. However, it is scriptural to thank God for the lives of his ministers and to give honour to whom honour is due. Nobody should be offended whatsoever, I see the forum as one for testimonies. There are a number of pastors who have been a blessing to me and whom I love, but they are not my church pastor. I should never be offended if you tell me how you love you pastor. Oh, Praise God! May God continue to use and bless them. It takes boldness to confess truth to the world. [b]Hence, I wish to implore Mr. Rotimi to repent because what he has written to million of people is false and blackmail- it is blasphemy.
The men you spoke about are very busy with their divine assignment; it was God you spoke against. I know some of the pastor we have mentioned, some have been a blessing to me, but Mr. Rotimy, if you rehearse sincerely (or make enquires) what you said about the first pastor you mentioned, you will discover that you have made a big mistake. For the second pastor you mentioned, if you make enquires, you will also see that you have created you own statements, because that church never broke out any where, it was rather a group of few people that were led by the pastor then. They become born again and had the vision for the Roman catholics, a vision God gave to the founder which to continue to share to those who he was leading. They were devoted in Roman church and had their meeting openly until the Roman catholic church told them to leave, since they were not following the church doctrines (they follow strictly the bible only), so they left and continued fellowship in one of their homes. And from a sitting room meeting of few people they grew to what you see today. You do not need to be a member of a church to know about their history, just research in the right sources. The churches you mentioned still have their founding members, I am sure you can reach them if you really want.
Finally, in all that we do, let us exhort the Lord and not men or ourselves. Moreover, the way we present our questions/quotes affects the manner of response we have, wisdom play a role here. God bless you all.[/b]

nowissoon:

When men are too quick to speak, they often sin. I am not the person you refer to with the username and I know the watchman more than you do. I also know personally many of the starting members, including Pastor Ohanebo personally. So I am not the person you think.
From your statement “I have the right to comment about DEEPER LIFE CHURCH.” You sounded like you are a member of the church or were once there, but do you also have to right to comment on the Watchman. Now please read on.

The charismatic movement is a movement that God used to bring about revival in the Roman Catholic Church. They believe in the Holy Ghost and the scriptures wholly. God put a burden in their hearts for their Jerusalem, the Roman Catholics. Just as we have Charismatics, we have Pentecostals, etc. The Charismatics are known with the charismatic (Holy Ghost) demonstration: That is the spirit of the charismatics, it is not a matter of church or name. And during the charismatic reviver in Nigeria, in different states and parishes, these men found the truth and held on. And then the Roman catholic church could not stand them, so they sent many of them out, it is not only watchman, the various charismatics are found all over Nigeria(The ones still in the Roman church today are those who are still following the dogmas of the church). They move out, scattered in the various places and continued fellowship as Charismatics (for that is who they were), but as different independent entities. And in fact, the present Watchman today, one of the groups suffered severe persecution from the Roman church. The easiest thing as a man was to give the group one big name, and deviate from the calling but that was not the vision. In fact even some members left because of the name and persecution from the church, but God took the pace. And it took 2 years of prayers before God established the group name with “Watchman”. It was clears that God was not changing these men to another calling.

You see, you name is who you are, according to your calling: Not what men say, but what God says. It is just like we have the pentecostal or apostolic or evangelical missions/churches, each of them have their calling, but not for the Roman catholic church. Most of the charismatic have deep root in Roman Catholicism, that is their origin, and God called them to their people. so that is why you still see charismatic movement is the name of many churches today (just like you see Pentecostal or Apostolic), it is not the name of a particular church-it is just their area of calling. Or when you see words like 'faith', 'prayer', 'deeper', evangelical', etc, they did not steal the name. In fact sometimes the name look so similar, but they do not even know each other or ever met. It is God’s business, not theirs or yours. And do you accuse God for that?

Today, we have so many, so many charismatic movement, all over the world. It is not given by a man; it is an area of calling. If you are into ministry, you will understand what I mean. Deeper Life are not charismatics, neither is CPM nor Mountain of Fire. You do not do what you want, if God has called you as charismatic, you can not pretend to be another, or to do you wish. What makes the watchman unique or different from other charismatics is the name "Watchman". May I tell you that Jesus is coming soon, not one ministry can do this work, and God is raising men/women toward winning souls for Him.

Mr. Rotimy, you may be a Christian now, I guess, but you may just be destroying the same body of Christ. These ministries you are castigating are doing the work God has called them to do and thousands of souls have been saved and blessed by them. Which one are you doing now? I told you earlier, if you want to know properly about a ministry, go to the right sources, not internet.
Somebody said "At the age of 9, he wanted to know more about life after death, life after this phase here on earth, no one was able to answers his questions" I do not know this person or any of you over there, however the person was right. That experience is an experience most people had had many year before they met Jesus, it show a sincere heart seeking to know the Lord, it is not about calling, but you changed the statement and you said "I laugh when I hear about the claim of his having a call at age of nine! Good luck to him but we know him very well". Are you sure you know him? Do you see the cause is your mind set, even if you are told the truth and your mind is polluted, you will just find a way to disfigure the thing again. This matter is not our own matter, it has to do with God, that is why you must be careful what you say: Remember what happened to Moses sister Miriam.

May I tell you again "In the multitude of words there wanteth not sin: but he that refraineth his lips is wise.” Proverbs 10:19. You have added sin upon sin with you words, what you need is humility and repentance. I am sure if the first post mentioned some other pastors, you must have criticism for all of them. In God's work, there is no ministry of criticism (you see that in the secular), but there is the corrective ministry. You correct by example and by the Word of God (by word and deed). So which one is your ministry? I tell you again, if you do not repent, you have already attracted God's judgement upon yourself, you do not just utter what you like in what matters to God. If God has called me to work for him and has told me how to go about it, who are you to stand against it. “And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.” Acts 9:5

rotimy:

well, after the ENOUGH IS ENOUGH save nigeria march at Abuja with the civil society , my respect is for
Pastor Tunde Bakare!